
Photo by Whitehorse Star
Anthony Delorenzo, Pat Ross
Photo by Whitehorse Star
Anthony Delorenzo, Pat Ross
The third phase of the city’s newest neighbourhood may not look exactly as it was originally envisioned.
The third phase of the city’s newest neighbourhood may not look exactly as it was originally envisioned.
However, it’s expected to still be a major commercial and residential centre which would include the 300-bed continuing care facility the Yukon government is planning.
At Monday’s city council meeting, members were presented with a new zoning plan for the area which takes into account plans for the continuing care facility.
Also on hand at the meeting were officials with the Yukon government, providing details on the facility identified for a proposed public service lot off Casca Boulevard.
As planning manager Pat Ross noted, while a formal development proposal for the 21,900 square metre facility has not yet been submitted, it’s expected to come forward to the development review committee soon.
“There is concern that a facility of this magnitude could create a significant institutional element in a residential area,” he stated in a report to council.
“The overall size and form of the building, or buildings, will be reviewed during the design phase for the project to ensure it fits within the residential neighbourhood.”
It was also pointed out the location – next to the “town square” area and Keno Way, which serves as the major commercial street – will mean easy access to recreational and commercial activities nearby with the large staff presence at the facility helping to support the commercial businesses that could set up shop in the neighbourhood.
In addressing council on the plans for the facility, government officials showcased plans that would see individual units for residents that run off of a “central spine” hallway – labelled as the “village centre” in diagrams.
The main hallway would also host areas for administration and staff as well as building support.
The first phase of the project would see space for 150 beds along with the main hallway.
“This will include standard beds plus acuity and complex care beds,” officials stated in documents presented last night.
“These beds will be grouped into care pods, with support services shared between pods.”
The second phase would see building for another 150 standard care beds.
Meanwhile, it’s expected at full build-out, a total of 318 parking stalls would be needed under the current bylaw including 220 for staff (120 in phase one, 100 in phase two), 86 for visitors (41 in phase on, 45 in phase two), eight for maintenance vehicles (six in phase one, two in phase two) and four spaces for those with disabilities (two in each phase).
The Whistle Bend site was selected following an evaluation of three potential areas.
“A four-hectare lot was identified by the (land development) branch and Highways and Public Works was directed to follow the rezoning process with the City of Whitehorse,” Yukon government staff noted.
A timeline for the first phase of the project shows plans for a Request for Proposals to go out this month with a preferred proponent to be selected by Oct. 20.
As Anthony DeLorenzo, with the territory’s Department of Highways and Public Works, explained when questioned by council, the process will see the list of proponents shortlisted to three. They will compete on a winning design.
Part of that will include taking into account the energy efficiency of the proposal, he added when questioned about alternative energy sources by Coun. Mike Gladish.
DeLorenzo said he will also look further into work the city has done with ATCO Electric Yukon Ltd. on a potential system for solar storage.
Construction is then anticipated to happen over two years, with the building to be finished by December 2017. Staff training and move-in would then get underway in January 2018.
“At this point, it is anticipated that Phase 2 will begin in 2021 and delivered by the end of 2022. If the demand for beds grows higher than the estimated numbers then the construction of Phase 2 could be advanced earlier,” the documents state.
In addition to including the continuing care facility in zoning planned for the neighbourhood, there are a number of other proposed changes to the zoning plan.
Many of the changes come out of the location of the Phase 3 of the neighbourhood with original plans extending it west of Casca Boulevard.
“However, changes were made to the overall phasing plan to delay the construction of expensive infrastructure, such as pumphouses. This resulted in design changes to Phase 3, and will mean that planning for future phases will also require some redesign as needed,” Ross stated.
Other changes include a redesign of Casca Boulevard so that lots front onto local streets rather than the main road running through the area, and replacing a number of single-family and townhouse lots with multiple-family lots to reduce the amount of infrastructure needed there and increase density.
Also planned are a reduction in the number of intersections on Casca to improve traffic flow and align streets with existing infrastructure where possible, and the addition of lots fronting onto Olive May Way.
There’s also comprehensive zoning for a number of residential areas and commercial space and additional public service lots proposed.
The plan includes a total of 143 lots, expected to house approximately 300 residents (not including residents of the continuing care facility).
Residential lots proposed include 40 small single-family lots, nine large single-family lots, four duplex properties, 53 townhouse lots and 13 multiple-family sites. There are also 35 commercial lots outlined and two institutional lots.
Along with the continuing care facility, the other institutional lot would be on the north side of Keno Way and was planned as “either seniors house or a community use, such as gardens,” Ross said.
Council will vote next week on first reading of the rezoning.
If that goes ahead, a public hearing would be held March 9, with a report on that coming forward at council’s March 16 meeting and second and third readings on March 23.
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Comments (28)
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ProScience Greenie on Feb 21, 2015 at 8:38 am
If we do require foreign workers so badly (which I'm not convinced we do) why bring in so many from just one country? Why are we not bringing them in from many different countries, especially countries that are war torn and poverty stricken with people truly in need of a new beginning rather than those simply seeking better economic opportunities than they can get at home?
Not a lot of foresight used since day one with these TFW/Nominee programs brought to us by those seeking low cost and subservient labor rather than paying a decent wage to attract Yukon and Canadian workers.
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Disturbed on Feb 11, 2015 at 8:43 pm
Sounds like a bigger mess has been stirred up here. Why all the racism geared towards Canadian workers? Seems to me that foreign workers doing their jobs in the Thompson Centre should be doing their jobs and that does not include calling Canadian workers down. If they are so racist about Canadian workers what kind of care are they giving our Canadian elderly? With 80% or higher foreign workers it disturbs me. My mom will be there one day soon and I worry that the language will be an issue plus how are these people getting jobs when the majority of the foreigner workers can not speak or understand a word of english. This should be a safety concern!
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MR M on Feb 11, 2015 at 7:52 am
I have to agree ! Why do Auzzies and Kiwis have to jump through hoops of fire in order to become a foreign worker and then be denied because they are to old (at 31) or some other lame excuse, a foreign worker on a two year work visa should not become pregnant in this country (many of them do) while on this Temporary work visa ! They are here to work! Not raise families who become citizens of Canada. Sounds harsh I know, but it is a way of taking advantage of the system! They should be sent home to give birth in the country they have citizenship in!
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Charles on Feb 8, 2015 at 11:24 pm
@ June; I value a lot of your posts, but on this one you are very wrong. My mother is in CRP and I know the bath schedule is every 3 days. I pay my mother's rent monthly at $35.00 per day. I also monitor her comfort fund and top it up as needed. As for foreign workers, I cannot say enough good about the work ethic of the staff whether Filipino or Canadian workers, the majority are dedicated. If foreign workers are an issue I wonder where all the Canadians are that want those jobs, it is not everyone's forte!
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June Jackson on Feb 8, 2015 at 1:18 pm
Charles.. your information is not correct. I visit people there whose pension checks go directly to YTG and they look forward to their 'comfort' money and hope they have enough for the grandkids birthday present. I am not saying it's cheap to be in care, or that it should be. But, I am saying, leave people with dignity. And it's a bath 1 time a week unless your family comes to give you a shampoo and bath. My information comes from people living there..if you have YTG procedure manual, or a copy of the admittance agreements, that states these things in black and white. As for foreign workers.. I am a CANADA FIRST kind of person and as long as there is 1 Canadian in a food line, or looking for a job.. foreign workers should not be brought in for it. You will all remember the Royal Bank laid off 45 Canadians and brought in foreign workers for those jobs. Gotta keep a sharp eye on the FW programs.
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Sylvia Burkhard on Feb 7, 2015 at 3:20 pm
just say'in, don't recall saying temporary foreign workers, I'm saying foreign workers, the nominee program is just another form of getting cheap employees who are under the sponsors thumb till they are done their required time, get to start citizenship and a new group of nominees come in. Point is there are a finite number of jobs in a territory of 37,000 and I call bull on the lack of Canadian workers, nominees were for the most part sponsored by big box companies championed by the Chamber of Commerce. How about the Chamber of Commerce supports its citizens before it goes looking abroad and why aren't the folks from New Zealand and Australia, for example, part of a nomination program, it's like pulling hens teeth for them to get citizenship here. I think it's because they expect to be paid decently and the government will use tax dollars to beef up only some nominee's hourly wages.
Why train Canadians when we can import cheap labor for a fraction of the cost? Not apologizing for being choked at looking at entry level jobs and beyond going to foreigners who get sponsored to come here and don't have to go through the usual immigration process. What are students and folks just looking for a job supposed to do in the Yukon, not everybody wants to go to university and all those jobs at CR, hospitals and other facilities are good paying jobs that I know lots of Yukoners would like to have. We live in a country that rewards corporations who make billions of dollars with cheap labour and sell Canadian citizenships to anyone with a couple million bucks.
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Charles on Feb 6, 2015 at 9:36 pm
@ Sylvia; I agree with you on length of residency for care homes, I would go with 5 or even 10, but I researched this several years ago and 1 year is norm across Canada. If pressure is on YT for care space then I really think YTG could make their own rules of residency. I never planned for my mother entering care and she lived with me for 13 years before entering care. I do not deny the need for parents to be close to family, (YTG please get the message here re rural communities) but I know there are many cases where parents are brought here to fulfill the 1 year residency for no other reason than our cheaper fees. Fees used to be $18.00 per day for MaCaulay and $21.00 for CRP, but now it is $35 for all.
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Just Say'in on Feb 6, 2015 at 7:27 pm
Let's get something straight here. All this talk about Canadian worker Vs Foreign Workers. That is BS. The Filipino's here are not Temporary Foreign Workers, They are Canadian workers end of conversation. They came here on a Nominee program that allowed them to become Canadian Citizens. These are not TFW that have come to pick berries in the lower mainland they are full fledged Canadian Citizens that have come through all the proper channels and are the ones that will be working and paying taxes to support us in our old age. Full Stop.
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Sylvia Burkhard on Feb 6, 2015 at 4:17 pm
I also wonder why YTG thinks we need a 300 bed facility, and then I remember in 2009 in meetings about the Dawson Hospital, how Minister Hart and Fentie were talking about how the Yukon is a great place for seniors to retire and we will need these hospitals and extended care homes. Well, you got that right, where else in Canada can you have a couple move to a region for their govvie jobs and move their elderly parents up here for a year and get into Closeleigh, then MacCauly/Copper Ridge for what was last time I heard went up from $19 to $21 a day... Move to the Yukon, buy a condo for around $350k (not bad compared to down south) after 3 months get free Yukon medical, hang around for the summer and depart to Arizona for 6 months less a day, living the dream and who is paying for building these structures, it takes a lot of years of transfer payments to make up for a year of care in Copper Ridge.
Do I sound cynical, you bet and I've watched lots of my friends lose jobs to foreigners, and yes, their parents are arriving here steadily and will be in these facilities. If one more person from Ontario tells me that the rest of Canada is paying for these facilities and why does it bother me I won't be responsible for my actions, how did a territory of 37,000 people end up needing 400 extended care beds? Personally I believe there should be a 5 year residency for being eligible for extended care and a year for medical if you are not of working age, would be nice to see people growing up in the Yukon being able to get training to work in these jobs instead of a steady stream of foreign workers.
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CJ on Feb 6, 2015 at 12:21 pm
@Bobby Bittman, it was a reference to a classic short story by Shirley Jackson called "The Lottery", which I'm frequently reminded of when reading comments.
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Charles on Feb 6, 2015 at 1:42 am
Sorry, previous message had a typo. It should have read: 'For someone without family or a private POA the rent, and an additional amount based on person's needs for their comfort account may be paid by standing order.' The rent is same for all. As for Whistle Bend location for new facility; the location for a smaller unit might make sense, but huge design is absurd and YT would be better served with some smaller units spread around communities. Residents of those communities want to be close to family and friends. Transition to a care home is hard enough without distancing support group. Staffing for this proposed new facility would be a nightmare.
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Bobby Bitman on Feb 5, 2015 at 8:42 pm
To CJ: "Honestly, we seem to be hours away from just flat out drawing lottery tickets to stone each other in the streets." - Talking about snide and bizzarre.
And I agree with you about the racism. Saying, "Most Canadians in this town do not seems to know what (customer service) entails. ...and I would rather work with a foreign worker on my side any day or night", is very racist.
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north_of_60 on Feb 5, 2015 at 6:16 pm
What's the point in commenting about the zoning changes in Wasteland Bend. Most of us never want to live there.
The CoW does not care what we think, and the arrogant "we know what's best for you" attitude of Mayor and Council guarantees we won't be seeing them after the next election.
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Charles on Feb 5, 2015 at 2:41 pm
I am only familiar with Copper Ridge Place, but there are exceptions everywhere when it comes to work ethic. The majority of staff I encounter are dedicated whether they are foreign workers or from anywhere else, on the whole the Filipino workers are wonderful in their tasks.
June you have a few errors re CRP; residents are bathed every 3 days and all rooms have a private shower if residents are mobile enough to use it under supervision. The rent is also $35.00 per day for all. For someone without family or a private POA the rent is an amount based on person's needs to their comfort amount may be paid by standing order. For those with a POA, the rent is paid by them and amount in comfort fund is discretionary and also paid by them. YTG does not take your money and squirrel the rest.
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mary laker on Feb 5, 2015 at 12:23 pm
To, "the nurse". More of the 'Canadians are lazy, Canadians don't want to work, I don't want to work with Canadians, Filipinos are great, Filipinos love their jobs' etc. garbage. I owned a business in Whitehorse and had 4 full time Canadian workers, plus lots of part time Canadian workers, over the course of several years. Almost every single one of them was outstanding, and when I had a job opening we would get upwards of 30 applications, from Canadians.
I am so sick of people trashing Canadian workers. I seriously doubt that you are a Canadian yourself, and if you are, give your head a shake. Your attitude is terrible and maybe it's no wonder you do not get along with Canadian 'helpers'. Makes my blood boil when I see so many people looking for decent employment, and given my excellent experience with Canadian workers.
Enough of the 'Racism' against Canadians. Ya. Goes both ways. Now you just go ahead back to 'work' reading the comments section of the newspaper and laughing with your nurse co-workers at the Thomson Center.
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Questionable Project WC on Feb 5, 2015 at 12:04 pm
The Yukon is making a mistake with the $126 million dollars project. Way to much invested in infrastructure. There other smaller community based projects that put more money into program money than infrastructure. The Yukon can't afford this project the way it is even with 3P. You need to locate this type of facility next to the hospital where infrastructure and services can be combined. This has been done elsewhere and only makes economic sense. I am really concerned this project needs a second look.
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Just Say'in on Feb 5, 2015 at 3:14 am
@Yukoner. You say have them in Dawson and Watson and create local employment. Like they did with the Hospitals? Are you kidding?
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the nurse on Feb 5, 2015 at 3:07 am
I, a nurse, am just on a night shift at Thomson Center. These comments about foreign workers are a total joke. They are, with few exception, the only only ones who really seems to want to work in this city, and they are doing a great job at what is called customer service. Most Canadians in this town do not seems to know what this word entails. With regards to care facilities, our foreign workers are doing outstanding jobs and I would rather work with a foreign worker on my side any day or night during my nursing shift because they reliably work, are efficient and at least pretend very well to love their residents!!
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June Jackson on Feb 4, 2015 at 12:09 pm
To: Just Sayin': That was so funny I burst out laughing..scared the dog.. You are more right than you know. I could be there any day.. It's a frightening thought for me..Copper Ridge they only get a bath 1 time a week, YTG takes every single penny you have and gives you back $100. "comfort' allowance.
To Disgusting: Sir... we can not house the people we are bringing in now on various work programs adequately. I personally know 3 of the 9 renting a 2 bedroom apt. sending money back to Korea and Philippines, walking up the cliff stairs at -35 because they can't afford transportation, for many, their circumstance is disgusting. A 300 bed unit will require at least 2000 employee's. Where did you think they would live? Where did you think they would come from? The people who want to live here at -40, brutal cost of living, poor government.. they are already here and the government isn't hiring locally for even admin jobs. This building might generate temporary jobs in the construction industry but only for a couple of years..How fast will homes go up, and will there be a purchasing boom once candidates find out what it's going to cost them to live here? I repeat myself..jeez..this is a mess.
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ProScience Greenie on Feb 4, 2015 at 11:59 am
300 beds they say. By the time it is built it should be just about the right size to accommodate the next wave of elderly relatives that will be brought in by our growing Filipino community. I think it's a geometric progression after that.
Would be nice if we had even one political party in the Yukon that had a little foresight. A party with basic math skills would also be nice.
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Yukoner on Feb 4, 2015 at 11:21 am
I'm all for extended care for the elderly but there is no need for a project of this size. It would make more sense to have more than one and on a much smaller scale. Have one in Dawson, Haines, Mayo, Watson, and say two in Whitehorse on a much smaller scale, then they could also be staffed in the community's and create employment elsewhere not just in the Whitehorse. Also I would hope that the jobs would not be going to a foreign worker. As in my experience I find that the more of them you have the quality of work go's down and a lot of idle chitchat happens.
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melba on Feb 4, 2015 at 9:32 am
June brings up a good point about employment at this facility. We are three years out. This article says staff training and move in will begin in January 2018.
Staff training should not start at the same time as residents are moving in. Recruitment should begin now, and not in the Phillipines (as is happening with welders), but in the Yukon. There should be a course at the college for Canadian residents and Yukoners in particular to fill these jobs.
The Canadian government helped to set up training in the Philippines, to fill welding jobs in BC (ship building, 3.3 billion dollar contract for military), and Alberta (expected pipelines).
"The Canadian consulate office in Cebu, announced that the Canadian Welding Bureau has signed a partnership agreement to open a certification welding crash-course set to be opened sometime in April or May this year.
Lee said this will give greater opportunity for employment for Filipinos to find good-paying jobs in Canada in the welding industry."
http://www.philstar.com/cebu-business/774850/welding-training-academy-open-cebu
I am getting seriously fed up with this. The Yukon government needs to be more competent, and needs to get on this now. Recruitment and training for unemployed Canadians so they can get good jobs at this new facility.
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Josey Wales on Feb 4, 2015 at 8:12 am
So as per...the OCP is done in chalk, grab the eraser they need to change the circus they sold us/rammed down our gullets/socially engineered?
The entire hood is a social(ist) engineering experiment brought to us as predictably as bugs in the summer.
The entire hood is a great example of political windbags outta control and their appointed/unaccountable minions keeping their buddies rich or more accurately richer.
PooVille stunk prior to a shovel being pushed...and that had nothing to do with the lagoon...the stench.
Want to see more? look to FH 2.0, the soon to be GRAND castle for our civic nobles to warm their chairs, littering this sty with round-a-bouts....blah blah blaaah!
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Bobby Bitman on Feb 3, 2015 at 10:03 pm
Hey, I hope it is nice! Remember, you might be an upcoming resident. Having 300 elderly people as neighbours strikes me as a positive. I think they should also save parking space for scooters with flags on them so the residents can get out and about and enjoy some fresh air.
The City of Whitehorse has done a good job of contracting really attractive 'institutional' facilities, and this will probably be another one. Think of the medical residence building and even the jail!
I hope the community is welcoming. Old people are not toxic waste, they are human beings who in this case need some help getting by.
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Just Say'in on Feb 3, 2015 at 8:37 pm
Settle down June. You and I may need to book in before too long and will appreciate it. haha
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just Say'in on Feb 3, 2015 at 5:16 pm
Dear Whitehorse Star. This is off topic because I couldn't comment on the WallMart add you placed for them for "free" in the Newspaper. This is almost an annual thing for WallMart to have this freeze up in their entrance way and they get a big spread every time showing their sign. This kind of journalism or "lack of it" Pis**s me off big time. How about all the other small businesses in town that have all sorts of problems in the cold weather and if they want some notice they have to pay for an ad. Just Say'in.
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Disgusting on Feb 3, 2015 at 5:00 pm
June Jackson that is disgusting.
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June Jackson on Feb 3, 2015 at 4:02 pm
OMG.. this is such a terrible idea.. and quite a costly one at that. Are they planning to bring in 2,000 foreign workers to staff the place? If that's the case, they will only need 6 or 7 houses to accommodate them all..but if they are thinking of hiring Canadians.. on second thought..no..I guess they won't.. They'd have to pay a living wage, benefits, there isn't 1000 homes to be had in Whitehorse atm..
Jeez..this whole thing is just a mess.