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PASSIONATE ABOUT HOUSING –Whitehorse residents gather at the Centre de la francophonie Monday evening to explore possible solutions to the city's housing crisis. The public forum on housing solutions was hosted by the Yukon NDP. Anna Crawford Tracey Wallace and Dave Blottner

Yukoners brainstorm housing crisis solutions

NDP Leader Liz Hanson's question was clear at Monday evening's public forum on housing solutions: How can we fix our housing crisis before the snow starts to fly?

By Nadine Sander-Green on July 19, 2011

NDP Leader Liz Hanson's question was clear at Monday evening's public forum on housing solutions: How can we fix our housing crisis before the snow starts to fly?

"With another winter just four months away, time is running out,” Hanson said to kick off the forum, which took place at the Centre de la francophonie on Strickland Street.

"I know our community has the expertise and desire to address the housing gap. As Yukoners, we have demonstrated so often in the past, if we put our heads together, we will find practical solutions.”

The aim of the evening was to generate public discussion around how the Yukin can fix its housing crisis.

Representatives of the City of Whitehorse, the Whitehorse Chamber of Commerce, the Boys and Girls Club, Skookum Jim's Friendship Centre, the Salvation Army, the Yukon Ant-Poverty Coalition, politicians and political hopefuls, as well dozens of Whitehorse residents attended the forum.

Neither Premier Darrell Pasloski nor were any of his cabinet ministers were present.

Hanson emphasized her disappointment with the government's decision to install a "no camping” sign in front of tent city last Friday afternoon.

The NDP leader said she was "shocked and appalled” to hear about the government's latest decision to hire consultants to talk to homeless people in its effort to come up with a solution for Whitehorse's housing crisis.

"This has been done over and over,” she said. "If the government would just open their blinds, they might be able to see and talk themselves to these people.”

Before turning the mic over to the audience, Hanson emphasized that this crisis is a result of a "deliberate lack of planning.”

As for solutions, there were many.

Hanson said that although some were "pie in the sky” and some "concrete”, no idea should be discounted or ignored.

"This is an emergency situation, and I think we need to look a all options,” she said

Bill Thomas, the anti-poverty coalition's co-chair, spoke on the option of building smaller units. He mentioned the possibility of constructing "pocket housing” – multi-occupancy units with an average of just over 200 square feet.

"I just saw a picture of an 84-square-foot unit on wheels,” he said.

"Let's look at that. I'm picturing, ‘Oh, there goes John, pushing his house down the street. He must be relocating to his summer property,'” said Thomas, laughing.

He also mentioned the possibility of modular homes or the option of purchasing the former Canadian Tire building, which has a "For sale” sign that "seems to keep getting bigger and bigger.

"I keep hearing we've got to get creative, we've got to change our way of thinking, we've got to get outside the box,” continued Thomas.

"Your energy follows your attention. If you're not paying attention to the housing crisis, your energy is directed somewhere else. I'm asking everyone, pay attention. This is serious.”

Mike Ellis, the senior planner for the City of Whitehorse, also spoke of the idea of building denser neighbourhoods.

He said that in 1996, the population was 24,000, and we've only just passed that number.

"We've had whole neighbourhoods, like Copper Ridge, built since then,” he said. "We have so many more houses now, and less people in each house.”

Ellis said that in the 1990s, there were a lot more suites, many of which are no longer in use.

"The city is really trying to encourage these suites to be built again,” he said. He mentioned an upcoming incentive giving homeowners up to $10,000 in tax breaks for adding a suite to their property. (See story, p. 2.)

Ellis noted the city has just announced the Development Incentives Policy, allowing tax breaks for building "various types of housing developments.

"I've heard a lot of developers say, ‘Yeah, sure it's economic to build condos in downtown Whitehorse – luxury condos, that is.' They would love to build $300,000, or less, condos, but it just doesn't make economic sense for them,” said Ellis.

This latest incentive, he said, will allow developers to build more affordable housing.

Dave Blottner and Jan Stick, vying for the NDP nomination in Riverdale South for the fall election, both spoke at the forum.

Blottner, the executive director of the Boys and Girls Club, said that for the past six years, he has been lobbying for shelter services for youth and young adults, and a lot of work still has to be done.

"Every winter we have issues with youth who are couch-surfing, trading sexual favours for a warm place to sleep,” said the NDP hopeful.

"This needs to stop.”

Stick, a former city councillor and co-owner of Whitehorse's Well-Read Books, talked about the possibility of using students from schools and apprentice programs to help with the construction labour shortage.

The youngest person to speak in the room was born-and-raised Yukoner Anna Crawford. She said she has recently returned from university, and come September, won't have anywhere to live.

"I have more security if I go into the bush to work in exploration,” said Crawford. "Here I am constantly on edge as to where I'm going to be staying. I'm even considering becoming a student again at the college so I can get a dorm there.”

Crawford's solution was for Yukoners to think outside of their own situation.

"The majority of us are very well-off,” she said. "Most of us make so much money, we lose touch. We forget that a lot of people are making $12 an hour. We wonder why they can't afford to buy food.”

After almost 90 minutes of discussion, Whitehorse resident Tracey Wallace spoke up at the front of the room.

She said she liked everyone's ideas, but had no idea where to go from here.

"I don't know as an individual, apart from walking into a government office and speaking to someone in government, exactly what I can do,” said Wallace. "I feel completely powerless. I have no idea what to say that will make them change their mind.”

Wallace asked Hanson whether everyone should walk into the government offices individually and "demand accountability,” or if residents should go as a group.

"Maybe we should have a letter-writing campaign?” she asked.

Both Hanson and Opposition Leader Arthur Mitchell urged Wallace and other Yukoners to carry out all three actions.

"Liz, myself and people on the second floor are public servants, whether we are in government or opposition,” said Mitchell

"Everyone in this room has every right to go to any MLA or cabinet minister and say, ‘Look, you have to do something about this.'”

Mitchell conceded the housing crisis won't be solved overnight, no matter how quickly Yukoners work at it.

But a quote from famed scientist Albert Einstein, coincidentally repeated by two forum participants throughout the night, pointed in the direction Yukoners are hungry for change to pursue. Thomas was one of them.

"What was that that Einstein said again?” asked Thomas. "That insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

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Randy Johnson on Jul 27, 2011 at 11:43 pm

In response to Francis' posting dated Jul 22, 2011 at 9:58 pm: Thank you for stating the truth!

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Josey Wales on Jul 27, 2011 at 1:55 am

North of 60...careful, you may get labeled a somethingist....for using logic as that.

...and I might add healthy INSIGHTFUL logic.

Although the odd of that ever happening w/o lesser valued persons(in racist government policies)taxes building such a facility.

Look at the new propaganda center on the River heaps of "our" cash spent on this facility...extorting a VERY long contract with YTG for a library...with to my knowledge...NO TENDER?

It will be interesting to see how the new library will systematically PC the PUBLIC LIBRARY...with titles never desired/removed to appease our self proclaimed "land lords"?

We paid the rent many many many times over since time began in Canada. Use your own cash...build a facility to lessen the drunks staggering all over town.

Yes many cultures are represented in this sousefest we all see daily with "my people" (alleged invaders) being a very very small part of this EPIC issue.

Perhaps instead of my government giving yet more cash to decorate the Yukon with elitist culture centers...they can assert the teat is soon dry...and build your own detox for your own people... ...and START solving some of YOUR OWN problems.

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Groucho d'North on Jul 26, 2011 at 4:56 pm

It appears to this reader that the next election issues are clearly being identified by the electorate. It should be interesting to see the platforms each party will propose "If Elected" to address these concerns given the clear positions a representative number of voters are stating here.

I'm waiting for the first "That's not what I meant..."

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Josey Wales on Jul 26, 2011 at 8:14 am

FP, often I understand your point. However, often, as I do too...you digress and ramble.

This post, as DG stated? ...was well said.

I wonder what all the special interest groups will do when through dilution of genes...we are looking the same?

It is not easy being a white male in today's Canada...EVERYBODY else (S.I.G's) seems to hate "my people"

...Funny that though...those same groups mind not the queen on all that free paper we keep doling out with no accountability?

I wonder if Canada will still be around in 50 years?

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north of 60 on Jul 26, 2011 at 7:49 am

Land Claims are settled, and self government is desired. It's time for CYFN and KDFN to demonstrate leadership and governance. They should build a detox facility, on settlement land, staffed by their members, paid for by their settlement funding. They need to take the initiative to solve a problem that affects primarily their members. Once they start the ball rolling the other governments will find ways to contribute.

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DG on Jul 25, 2011 at 3:15 pm

Well said Francias.

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Francias Pillman on Jul 22, 2011 at 1:58 pm

"Francias, could you tell me why you do not believe that truly disabled people, who already contend with more than their fair share of troubles, should not be provided with an average lifestyle by the rest of us?"

Because people shouldn't be rewarded for having bad luck in life. Why should I have to work for the things I have and someone else just given it because they got the short end of the stick in life? Don't take my comment as "they should live in a cardboard box" I'm not saying that. Rewarding people with luxury's that other people have to work hard for, to me, is discrimination against able bodied people. But in today's society, discrimination only applies to visible minorities, woman, and the disabled. I'm sorry but the whole discrimination issue is discrimination in itself. If you are not part of those groups then you really don't matter. Where are the laws that protect white people specifically? Oh, I guess I can't ask that question can I? I'm probably a racist or something for wanting the same rights that those groups get right? Why can natives put job postings in the paper and state "FIRST NATION ANCESTRY ONLY"? What would happen if an ad was put that read "CAUCASIAN ONLY"? I can imagine the outrage and anger that would create. I'm sorry but if it's good for one then it's good for everyone. But unfortunately that's not the case is it? I know you people will attack me for my opinion, it seems that's all people can do on here. I don't care, and it doesn't bother me one bit. If people can't have a mature debate, without personal attacks then maybe they should not comment at all. I've come to the conclusion that when people attack me without any evidence or facts, then I'm probably right. If I am so wrong about something then show me why. Using personal attacks takes no intelligence, and it's a way for them to try and discredit my opinion. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. Not many people have the courage to say that. I never stated that I know everything. But when I'm wrong, tell me why I'm wrong, maturely and with respect.

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bobby bitman on Jul 22, 2011 at 5:39 am

Francias, could you tell me why you do not believe that truly disabled people, who already contend with more than their fair share of troubles, should not be provided with an average lifestyle by the rest of us?

What level of support do you believe they should be given? I am truly curious.

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DG on Jul 21, 2011 at 3:58 pm

@bobby you put it best.

@Leslie I am sorry to hear about your son like bobby said I was directing the comment at those that could fix there own situation.

And there are many...

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Francias Pillman on Jul 21, 2011 at 8:32 am

Yes, truly disabled people deserve support. But in no way do they deserve a "middle class lifestyle"

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bobby bitman on Jul 21, 2011 at 4:55 am

Leslie, how does it make you feel to see able bodied, able minded people, who do not face the challenges that your son does, taking up resources that SHOULD BE delivered in full to the disabled? People who simply do not want to work, unlike your son who despite his disability would probably love to have a job? Or people who demand a home from the government because they refuse to adhere to agreements yet still believe they should be provided with a middle class lifestyle? Or they are addicts who COULD do something to cure themselves, unlike your son, yet can't be bothered to live with the difficulties of getting sober? I bet your son would leap at the opportunity to get well, no matter how difficult, and he's probably already been through worse. Not these folks.

I think the truly disabled do in fact deserve a middle class lifestyle and all the support that would entail. Unfortunately though, their legitimate entitlement is massively impacted by people who are 'on the dole', who should not be.

I do not think very many people would like to see services to the disabled reduced, they would just like to see the able people kicked in the butt so they will get up and get on with being productive members of society.

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Leslie McRae on Jul 20, 2011 at 8:24 am

I've lived in Whitehorse for over 30 years. My son was born here. He was born with cerebral palsy. He is permanently disabled, both physically and mentally. My son can't do anything to "fix his situation." He is 27 years old. He will never be able to buy his own home. When I see a homeless person, I think, "That could be my son." Should my son and I have to leave the Yukon in order to make sure he has safe, affordable housing? Society does have a responsibility to provide for the most vulnerable among us. We do it by making charitable donations, and we do it through government by paying our taxes.

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Iccycle on Jul 19, 2011 at 3:55 pm

Albert also said ... We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them ... Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.

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DG on Jul 19, 2011 at 12:42 pm

I own a home, I didn't get it through government handouts or whining at the feet of the government or playing off peoples sense of guilt and empathy. I went to work made money, purchased it, yes I had assistance from both my parents for a down payment (I had a new born that had to be fed and clothed), but really if you are dedicated you can save a down payment in no time for a reasonable mobile home I still see some going for 50k-60k. They may not be the best but certainly better than at the foot of our legislature.

Some say use the old canadian tire store.

I ask this question how much maintenance has been done to the building since the tenant actually moved out. You would likely be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars to rebuild and repair and install suitable living arrangements.

Perhaps if these tent people will get off the grass (I can imagine more than one type that needs to be gotten off of). And actually do something to fix there own situation then things will get better.

As for the university student (though this applies to everyone) if you really can't find a job/place to stay in one place go to another. It is a time honored practice where if you can't survive in one place you move on to the next. Perhaps if we see a large enough exodus than landlords will reduce rent, the city will actually realize that s--t needs to get moving, and the Gov will actually put some money into it.

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Nile on Jul 19, 2011 at 9:35 am

Bobby, why would the Premier go to an NDP rally?

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argh on Jul 19, 2011 at 8:27 am

I can understand why none of the government leaders did not attend - it is not pc or acceptable to make the tough comments or to tell the truth - for instance - that most of the folks that stay at the salvation army shelter on a regular basis already have housing, and it is the same people whining for housing that damage the housing to the point that it has to be taken out of circulation for extensive repairs.

Here's a thought - quit expecting the 'government' to do something magic with no resources, and invite one of the tent people to live in your home for a week, a month, a winter.

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JC on Jul 19, 2011 at 7:53 am

NDP leader Liz Hanson is running for Premier and hasn't any ideas of her own on how to solve the housing problem for the street people. So she has to invite the public in to give her the ideas so she can then present them to the government and take the credit for it all. Forget it Liz. You have no leadership skills. You have no answers to the social problems that inflict our city or territory or you would have provided them. And as for the Premier and members of the Yukon Party didn't attend, well duhh, did you actually think they would?

My solution? These people do not have the right to build a tent city on government property. They should be charged and made to pay for the cleaning up of it, which will have to be done later. They should be told that there are jobs available and instead of sitting in front of their tents smoking and drinking, they should be out pounding the pavement looking for work.

By the way, I notice Ms Hollywood who started this whole thing didn't pitch her tent in December. My question, will she keep it up when the cold winds start to blow and the snow begins to fall? I doubt it. We will see after the election this October who solves this problem. As for Liz, I think her actions so far over this will come to haunt her and embarrass her soon.

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bobby bitman on Jul 19, 2011 at 7:27 am

Looks like Darrel Pasloski is following his leaders, the old crew at the Yukon Party who snub every opportunity to listen to people. (Unless they are party insiders or from the mining industry - my impression and for reasons that I won't waste space on right now.) Too bad. I thought Darrel, whoops, I mean 'Premier Pasloski' (don't want to have him feel he is one of us - the great unwashed), might be a refreshing change from Mr. Fentie.

Liz told the crowd last night that the Yukon Party elected representatives have literally pulled down the shades on their windows that are facing the tent city. I am actually starting to find the behaviour of our governing party to be obnoxious. That is just pure childishness.

Now, after a couple of years of meetings and reports, the Yukon Party wants to hire 'consultants' to look at the issue of housing. Better be their own 'consultants' because what I heard last night is that the Yukon Party itself has failed miserably at keeping up on the lot supply in this town, and has totally failed at auditing and controlling Yukon Housing, which has had 30 empty units 'having work done to them' for over a year.

Then there is the old residence on the Hospital Road, which according to someone at the meeting, may well be in use right now as vacation home for certain lucky folks who sometimes work in the Yukon. All this needs to be looked into! And now! But I really doubt that's going to be the focus for the YP 'consultants'.

Whatever comes about, if there is any action the Yukon Party make sure it is their own plan. They do not care to hear from the public, or from elected reps from other parties. You are 'in' or you are 'out'. Pathetic. Mr. Pasloski, I am dissappointed. Would have been nice to see you rise above petty politics, and show up last night. It was a broad based community meeting, no matter who organized it.

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