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PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE – Yukon Energy president Andrew Hall, right, speaks the audience at Monday evening’s meeting. Some argued Yukon Energy needs to focus on greener technology more than it is. Left Goran Sreckovic.

Yukon Energy plots long-term electrical needs

More than 50 people packed a small room at the Coast High Country Inn on Monday evening to take in the first in a series of meetings being hosted by Yukon Energy.

By Stephanie Waddell on March 1, 2016

More than 50 people packed a small room at the Coast High Country Inn on Monday evening to take in the first in a series of meetings being hosted by Yukon Energy. Officials are trying to predict the territory’s electrical needs over the next 20 years.

The meetings will take place in communities around the Yukon over the next month.

They’re aimed at providing residents with baseline information the company has collected on the energy being used in the territory now and what could be expected in the future as its resource plan is drafted.

As last night’s meeting began, Yukon Energy president Andrew Hall described the plan as a roadmap.

He outlined the process for coming up with the plan, noting the company is now in the early stages of the project.

“It’s basically a four-step process,” he said before going into detail on it.

The first couple of stages look at how much energy is currently used and what might be expected in the future.

Officials will then look at what supply options are out there and which would be best for the territory. Finally, all that information will go into a report.

There has already been engagement with a technical advisory committee, First Nations, stakeholders and now the public through social media, the company website and through the meetings set to continue over the coming weeks.

“This is the first in a series of meetings,” Hall emphasized, noting there will be numerous opportunities throughout the entire process to provide input.

Yukon Energy has also made plans for a random, statistically-accurate and unbiased survey to be conducted through the Yukon Bureau of Statistics.

Over the course of last night’s session, those at the meeting were presented with a series of graphs showing the current electrical use in the territory and projections on what might happen down the road.

Goran Sreckovic, Yukon Energy’s director of resource planning and regulatory affairs, explained economic factors, customer habits and choices and climate among others all play a role in energy use throughout the territory.

The charts presented at the meeting made assumptions that in the next 20 years, mining could pick up, with the possibility of the proposed Victoria Gold mine moving into operation and onto grid power.

Possibilities such as the potential for electric vehicle use, having residents move away from oil or propane heat to electrical and others were also explored.

In many cases though, it was found the impact would be negligible.

As assistant project manager Stephanie Whitehead outlined, most new homes feature electrical heating.

Older homes in the territory typically have an oil or propane furnace.

It still costs more to switch to electrical heat from oil or propane, so it’s not anticipated most homeowners would make the switch.

There is a certain segment of the population that may switch for other reasons such as convenience, health/safety concerns over carbon monoxide, or for the more environmental option electric heat would bring.

Accounting for 10 per cent of homes switching to electric heat, Whitehead noted peak demand rose by four per cent.

The information showed a variety of possibilities of what may happen over the next 20 years and how that will impact electrical use and load capacity in the territory.

When it came time for the question and answer period, a number of those at the meeting were quick to point out what wasn’t factored into the statistics.

As one member of the audience pointed out, there were no figures showing how many currently and will potentially heat their homes with wood heat.

Given the Yukon government’s recent focus on biomass heating, he argued, that’s important information to consider.

Others wondered about other heating systems.

As NDP MLA Kate White pointed out when she eventually moves away from oil heat in her home, it won’t be to the standard baseboard electric heaters many homes feature.

Rather, it will be to an electric thermal storage system which converts off-peak electricity to stored heat that can be used later.

Sreckovic said such systems still use electricity and wouldn’t represent any major change in the figures.

Officials with the company also stressed throughout the meeting that the plan is a living document which can be altered depending on changing factors as time goes on.

As one member of the audience pointed out to the company, “You’re looking into a crystal ball.”

The point was not lost on company officials.

However, as Sreckovic noted, efforts are made to factor in all the available information and possibilities for the future.

Others argued there needs to be more of a focus on greener technology.

“We’ve got to get off fossil fuels,” Sally Wright said, arguing there seems to be a “total disconnect” to what is happening with the planet.

Tamara Goeppel (a Liberal hopeful for this year’s territorial election), stressed the importance of factoring in the “social aspect” into the plan.

Smaller projects around energy production are more likely to create jobs for locals with the money from those jobs staying in the territory.

“That social piece is very, very important,” she said.

Hall noted that the next generation hydro project of the Yukon Development Corp. is underway and looking at possibilities for future hydro in the territory.

However, he added, it is a separate process and one that goes beyond the 20-year-scope of Yukon Energy’s resource plan.

Meetings on Yukon Energy’s plan continued today with a noon session at Yukon College and an evening meeting at the Da Ku Cultural Centre in Haines Junction, beginning at 6:15.

Further sessions are set for Teslin, Carcross, Dawson and Mayo throughout the month.

There will be more meetings as well as the project continues through its phases along over the year.

Comments (20)

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Josey Wales on Mar 7, 2016 at 9:22 pm

YTRes...you meant Josey W 2.0?
There is a parroting SJW trolling around, cognitively challenged it would seem.
So, 2.0 would be great, this JW is not an idiot.

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north_of_60 on Mar 7, 2016 at 6:07 pm

YTRes and others who understand the potential of small scale nuclear are correct.
Modular, small-scale Thorium fuel nuclear is the energy source of the future. A few kilograms of fuel provides energy for years. The small amount of waste is easily managed, and can't be used to make weapons like uranium fuel waste.
Thorium nuclear technology has been proven for decades, but it's not popular because it does not produce plutonium for nuclear weapons as a 'useful ' byproduct.
How much longer will we have to endure the greenwashed "carbon-tax/global-warming/climate-change" idiocy of the wind&solar aficionados, before rational people make the right decision for Yukon's energy future.

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Rodent control on Mar 7, 2016 at 11:57 am

They should include the many "raven" and "squirrel" related outages in their plan.

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YTRes on Mar 6, 2016 at 6:05 pm

Josey W
You wrote "To get a better idea of what most YE customers want, tell us about a small nuclear generation station that will meet out needs for the next 50 years. Tell us about the benefit cost ratio and how it will save our rivers and salmon from dams and how it's much safer than people think."
Bingo. Why hasn't YEC or the YDC thrown the nuke plant option on the table and explained why it is or isn't being considered? I'm guessing the powers that be are afraid of ill informed public opinion. A modern, modular nuclear reactor, to my mind anyhow, seems much safer than the giant pit of toxic mine waste we are dealing with in Faro. Hell, we could install on in the old pit area.

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Great idea North-of_Sixty on Mar 6, 2016 at 9:48 am

Keep them coming.

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Irwin W on Mar 5, 2016 at 7:39 pm

1. What happened to the results of the last five studies and surveys for the Yukon future energy needs?
2. What is the status of the wind generators on Haeckel hill?
3. Do you just keep studying until you get something that lines up with what you want in the first place?
4. Will there be any more surprises like the one that has the new NGTs not really good for back-up power just emergency switch over once they've been running sometime? Who thought this was what we were getting?

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Josey Whales on Mar 5, 2016 at 6:08 pm

Public meetings and random surveys are biased toward those small but stridently vocal groups who only complain that their special interests are not being served.

And so many of them live in Pine Ridge, Mary Lake and Wolf Creek. I'm generally satisfied with my electrical service so I'm not motivated to drive into town to sit in a meeting and listen to Sally and Roger rant.

To get a better idea of what most YE customers want, tell us about a small nuclear generation station that will meet out needs for the next 50 years. Tell us about the benefit cost ratio and how it will save our rivers and salmon from dams and how its much safer than people think.

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north_of_60 on Mar 4, 2016 at 6:32 pm

Public meetings and random surveys are biased toward those small but stridently vocal groups who only complain that their special interests are not being served. I'm generally satisfied with my electrical service so I'm not motivated to drive into town to sit in a meeting and listen to antis rant.

To get a better idea of what most YEC customers want, include a survey with one month's bill, and give a rebate off the next bill for sending the survey in.

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Max Mack on Mar 3, 2016 at 2:33 pm

@Yukon Energy
The problem with the survey idea is that far too many people have bought into the myth and hype of "green" and "renewable" energy. Somehow, even larger scale hyrdo-electric dams are considered dirty. Many people do not understand the costs and benefits involved in "green" energy, and there is considerable disinformation such that the costs of "green" energy are generously understated and the benefits considerably overstated.

Many folks believe that "we must do something" to combat climate change, and that "green" energy will somehow accomplish this.

And it is very common for people to "vote" for change so long as they think other people are paying for it . . . or, because they believe rate-based incentives will result in their bills being less as they are gambling that their behaviour is more "earth conscious" than their fellow citizens.

Yes - many people are in favour of combating "climate change" and are somewhat zealous about "green", "earth-friendly" and "renewable" energy sources. I hazard a guess that they will be less than enthusiastic when their taxes and energy bills increase to pay for it. However, that's "down the road", isn't it? Or, is that the plan?

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YukonMax on Mar 3, 2016 at 10:03 am

About 3 or 4 years ago, this"exercise" ( because that is just what it is) was done and they came to our community for inputs. Well guess what? As soon the meeting started, the POWER WENT OUT. That's right! Please remember what community members said. Fix the darn grid before loading more power onto it. Also, we communicated to you that we do not want to subsidize the mining indusrty off the back of residential rate payers.

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YTRes on Mar 3, 2016 at 7:06 am

Don't fear the future
Finally, someone else seeing the light! No pun intended. Small nuclear reactors are the way of the future. Cost effective, safe power. We could spend, what, hundreds of millions or more on hydro projects, or spend a lot less on modular nuke facilities that go up quick and don't have a large footprint.
Why are these not even on the table? Just because they are beyond the expertise or mandate of YEC? Let's not be shackled to old 1950s style mega projects when better options exist.

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Wundering on Mar 3, 2016 at 6:26 am

Yukoners should be asking how to supply their own individual energy needs, without relying on either the Yukon Energy, or Yukon (Atco) electric.

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Bobby Bitman on Mar 2, 2016 at 5:34 pm

I want to make a point here. I just realized that for some reason I could vote a gazillion times if I wanted to, so I messed with the votes on comments 2, 3 and 4. I did not believe that Werner's comment actually had 10 down votes, and zero up votes, so I hit the button again, and guess what? It voted again.

I have seen many articles on resource extraction in particular, and sometimes on related issues such as energy production, where the 'greenie' comments start out ahead or equal to the pro-development comments, then all of the sudden there are way more thumbs down for the greenie comments and an inordinate number of thumbs up for the pro-development comments.

Somebody knows how to get around the cookies.
I do not know how to get around the cookies, for some reason they just are not applying to me today.

I hope this comment gets printed because I want people to know that you cannot always trust what you see when you see the thumbs up, thumbs down!

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Don't fear the future on Mar 2, 2016 at 2:44 pm

There are all kinds of options for small (10-1000 MW) safe nuclear reactors today. One small reactor could power the entire territory, in fact we could become an exporter to the Alaska panhandle and the North American grid.
With nuclear there is no flooding of ancient river valleys, no marked carbon footprint and there are hundreds of these reactors running safely around the globe this very second.

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Yukon Energy on Mar 2, 2016 at 2:26 pm

Werner Rhein, it is unfortunate that you were not at Monday night's meeting. Some of your comments here are based on false assumptions and misinformation that perhaps we could have clarified had we had a chance to have a conversation with you. However there will be a number of other public meetings later this year, so hopefully you will be able to attend those, and if not you can certainly contact us any time. You mention here that we have put out an RFP concerning diesel and LNG development. What you may not realize is that as part of assessing all possible energy options, we have put out RFPs seeking research on not just diesel and LNG, but biomass, hydro pumped storage, waste to energy, wind, and transmission costing among other things. This information will help us when we move into the next stage of our resource planning work (later this year), that will see us weighing the pros and cons of each potential source of electricity.

Max Mack, we do recognize that only a small percentage of Yukoners attend our public meetings. That is why, in addition to meetings, a randomly selected number of Yukoners (approximately 5,000) will have an opportunity to fill out a survey this spring that will help show us what values the most to Yukoners and how they would rank various attributes (affordable power, protection of fish and wildlife, pollution including GHG emissions, etc.) People can also make their views known through our social media sites, our interactive website, or can call or email us.

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Rehein speaks but nothing of value on Mar 2, 2016 at 12:40 pm

comes out that can move the Yukon along.

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Werner Rhein on Mar 1, 2016 at 6:46 pm

Unfortunately, or was it maybe fortunately, I could not attend that meeting. Now my question is how many more times do we have to go through this and hear that YEC has plans for the future and tries to find out what is best?
How much more money do we have to waste on Charets on Studies on power consumption prognoses and at the end everything goes down the drain and YEC will do what they want with our money anyway.
I dare to say this because there is already a Request for Proposal RFP 2016 007 out there from YEC for natural gas and diesel power plant development.
Does the leadership of this organisation live in LaLa Land?
Do they not hear the roar of Climate Change and that is it absolute time to divest from fossil fuel to green alternative energy solutions and that excludes large hydro projects.
How about going in sync with the Biomass Plan from the YP government or at least sort of. Then that plan is actually full of outdated ideas too.
Converting existing furnace and boiler systems to wood or constructing district heating systems in our cold ground is the most expensive way one can think off.

How about modern wood gasification, which is way above 90% efficient on wood, has no adverse emission to air or water and we have plenty of sustainable fuel right in front of our doorsteps. In the Yukon, 5 to a 100 times the total energy consumption goes up in flames in forest fires every year. The left over larger diameter wood can still be used as fuel wood, made into wood chips it can even feed fully automatically boilers and gasifiers.
This old technology can produce a very flexible fuel that can be used in combustion engines to generate electricity, drive vehicles, and provide heat for buildings or to cook your potatoes. It can be stored as easy as propane.
It would be much more economical to pipe gas to end users then hot water or steam. Or even more economically run electrical cables, preferably underground so ravens or squirrels would not get fried and put the whole Yukon in the dark.
But the most important factor is it would create a lot of local jobs, it could decentralize the power grid. The gasifiers could work in hybrid systems together with solar and wind and act as sort of back up and pyrolysis wood only when needed.

Every Yukon community could have a system like that, still connected to the grid so one area could help out another area.
It would bring jobs and income to the communities. Yes I know it is maybe a bit harder to go out and harvest wood than run a fuel truck or sit in a power plant and watch a diesel run. But it would bring income to areas they do not have income. And it would also need skilled people to run the gasifiers, install solar panels and maintain Wind turbines.

But the best of all it would be green, it would help the environment.

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Very well written peace on Mar 1, 2016 at 6:26 pm

Lots of great words in this piece good for Yukoners with lots of facts for people who don't know the facts.

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Max Mack on Mar 1, 2016 at 4:37 pm

Too bad I couldn't attend this meeting. Work got in the way.

Yukon Energy should realize that public attendance at these meetings will be heavily weighted with anti-hydro, anti-fossil fuel, anti-nuclear idealogues. There desperately needs to be a counter-voice to the extreme opinions presented by most of these people.

The most important factor in planning energy needs should be low cost, and that can only be accomplished with existing technologies. Converting to so-called "green" technology will be very costly both in terms of capital and O&M. Providing the most bang for the buck is the only sensible way to approach planning.

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Great piece of reporting on Mar 1, 2016 at 3:41 pm

Well done very informative.

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