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DISCUSSING THE SCENARIO – Premier Sandy Silver, Mary Tiesen, the territorial government’s American sign language interpreter, Whitehorse physician Katherine Smart, who is the president of the Canadian Medical Association, and Dr. Catherine Elliott are seen left to right at this morning’s weekly COVID-19 briefing.

YG employees contemplate a new reality

It appears as if approximately 500 Yukon government and public sector workers could be off the job today.

By Whitehorse Star on December 1, 2021

It appears as if approximately 500 Yukon government and public sector workers could be off the job today.

The government’s vaccine mandate took effect this morning.

About nine per cent of the government’s workers haven’t filed formal attestations outlining their vaccinated status.

Thirty to 35 people have applied for exemptions, and those files were still being worked on.

That was the word Tuesday from John Streicker, the minister responsible for the Public Service Commission, during question period in the legislature.

Those numbers, he noted, were in flux, and workers had until midnight Tuesday to file their paperwork. He hoped to have a final figure early this afternoon.

At this morning’s weekly COVID-19 briefing, Premier Sandy Silver had no specific numbers on workers absenteeism, but reported 94 per cent of YG employees have received their first vaccine dose.

Two per cent of those who have not returned their paperwork are full-time, he said, with most unattested employees being auxiliary or on-call.

The government issued a new release last evening.

“Based on recommendations from the Yukon’s acting chief medical officer of health, the Government of Yukon is requiring all public servants, volunteers and contractors to have their first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine as of today. This includes teachers, health care professionals employed by the Government of Yukon and other public servants,” the release says.

“Employees are legally required to complete an attestation for their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine by midnight today or they will be placed on leave without pay starting tomorrow, Dec. 1.

“This vaccine requirement for employment with the Government of Yukon will be in effect until general public health concerns are reduced to a level where workplaces can operate without COVID-19 restrictions, as advised by the acting chief medical officer of health.”

Those numbers concerned members of the Yukon Party, particularly MLA Stacey Hassard. He talked about the potential impact on smaller communities such as Ross River, which has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the Yukon.

Hassard suggested that emergency medical services, home care and education will to be disproportionately affected by the government mandate.

He spent part of question period grilling the government on how it plans to handle the staff losses, as did Yukon Party Leader Currie Dixon. Both warned of service disruptions in the communities.

Streicker told both MLAs there is a “business continuity” plan in effect to deal with any shortages.

He compared the situation to the early 2020 beginning of the pandemic, when employees were working from home or simply not working amid fears of the COVID-19 virus.

“We have some experience with this now,” he said.

Streicker also mentioned there is extra medevac assistance and a plane available for Ross River. Hassard wasn’t too impressed with that.

“Medevac planes are not going to be the answer in Ross River if there are not EMS workers,” he said. “It’s not an if (that will happen), it’s definite.”

The Yukon Employees’ Union (YEU) isn’t impressed with the mandate situation, either.

In a statement that went public early Tuesday afternoon, the YEU stated, “Like most unions in North America, Yukon Employees’ Union supports vaccinations as an important tool to foster workplace safety.

“As an occupational health and safety measure, vaccination is our best choice. And while we support the goals of a mandate, we have serious reservations and concerns that have not been addressed in any meaningful way by Yukon government,” the statement said.

“YEU is categorically opposed to the idea that any worker should be placed on unpaid leave should they refuse to comply with the new terms and conditions of employment.”

The YEU pointed to a clause of the regulation that states that any YG worker who enters a workplace on or after Dec. 1 while on administrative (leave without pay) is subject to a summary conviction and will be fined $500.

“Dedicated employees should not be put on administrative leave without pay as the consequence of a policy finalized in haste, and without consultation. We maintain that YG has failed its workers with this mandate.”

The union warned, “Many valuable Yukon workers will be off the job, either because they have not chosen to be vaccinated or because they have opted out of the formal attestation process.

“It’s clear that many of the public services we rely on will be impacted – some catastrophically, while experienced and dedicated public servants are forced to choose compliance or a wage.”

In the release, YEU president Steve Geick said the timing of the government’s decision to reinstate the state of emergency was “not benign.

“The employer policy edict is more difficult for unions or individuals to successfully challenge with the added weight of the Public Health and Safety Act and CEMA .

“The few unions that have attempted to file injunctions or cease and desist orders have so far been unsuccessful in the courts.

“Jurisprudence is leaning toward courts upholding the mandates as reasonable measures under the circumstances, and we continue to monitor the evolving legal situation.”

Both the YEU and the Yukon Teachers’ Association “have consistently advocated for alternatives to placing workers on leave without pay, but our demands have been rejected,” the YEU said.

“Our support of a vaccinated workforce does not extend to support of this government’s handling of this process. And although remote work has proven successful throughout the pandemic, it’s no longer being considered as an option for unvaccinated workers.”

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Comments (80)

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NeilAlexGeddy on Dec 7, 2021 at 5:35 pm

@Wilf Carter
Wilf ..... I haven't voted Liberal since Martin was PM. Been called a lot of nasty things in my life, but being branded a brainwashed Liberal really makes me laugh.
You're wrong if you think this is a binary political issue like it is in the states. Sorry Wilf, your house quests don't convince me near as much as the amount of folks being medivaced out for Covid, and the first hand accounts of doctors and nurses across this country.

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Wilf Carter on Dec 7, 2021 at 3:16 pm

Neil Alex Geddy and Mad max where are you getting your info from? Must be liberal media because your statements are both wrong. My source of info comes from both sides of my family and friends in the medical field. Matter of fact one was at my house last night. You are more likely to get CV19 from non vaccinated people.
People do not die from vaccine issues but other health issue like heart, cancer, lungs, weaken amune system. This is why some of our media like put out facts that are wrong on such subjects. Especially climate change which has constantly changed since the earth was created.

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Roy on Dec 7, 2021 at 2:54 pm

Blown away
You’re wrong on multiple fronts:

Fully vaccinated is 14 days post shot #2 - not 3. Why you thought you could get away with posting blatant lies like this is hilarious but also kinda sad.
No one in the Yukon has died from covid vaccination side effects. No one.
Another lie on your part.
Keep going though - it’s mildly entertaining to witness your impotent attempts to deceive.

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NeilAlexGeddy on Dec 7, 2021 at 12:57 pm

I'm seeing lots of purported facts on Covid and vaccination with alot of missing letters like M.D. Must be running out of tinfoil in the Yukon, the hats are getting real big.

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Blown away by lack of common sense on Dec 7, 2021 at 11:14 am

@Roy - You do know that the staff @ restaurants are not required to vaccinated? So good luck getting your covid infection. lol

@NeilAlexGeddy - Do you know that the CMO's & govt define unvaccinated as everyone until 14 days after the 3rd booster shot. So most of the staff the govt kept are also in the unvaccinated category. It also means these people they are reporting as dying from covid are really people who are vaccinated and died of vaccine side effects or covid. When you know the truth things look very different now.

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AdmiralA$$ on Dec 7, 2021 at 10:49 am

To everyone who is championing the idea struggling families are struggling more, look I found a new job posting for you.

https://www.rt.com/news/542374-canadian-grocers-may-ban-unvaxxed/

Soon you can chase more struggling families out of grocers stores, I'm sure that will make you feel great inside. Coming to a province or territory near you shortly I'm sure. No need to relocate even, looks like a great side gig for most of you.

Like I have stated, this is going to get real dark real fast if we don't ALL think and act with a little compassion for one another, on both sides of this coin.

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Max Mack on Dec 6, 2021 at 5:12 pm

Back of the napkin calculations . . . the risk of infection from a vaccinated person in the Yukon is almost 6x higher than the risk of infection from "the unvaxxed".

The vaccine mandates and passports are not only misguided, they are anti-science, anti-law, and unethical.
Beware folks, 'cause the boosters will be mandated and the passports are here to stay. All hail the bio-medical surveillance state!

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Roy on Dec 6, 2021 at 4:57 pm

anonymous - or should I say "Salt" -

You working in the hot bed of Whitehorse biotech with that degree?
It's good that mRNA vaccines are brought into the cellular interior - also good that they are not brought into the nucleus. Thanks for asking!

If you are so educated on this why do you conflate mRNA vaccines with the modification of DNA? Surely you of all people know the difference between mRNA and DNA.

Why don't you write another 300 words that can be boiled down to a dozen:
"Here is the dunning kruger effect on display for all to see "

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Forced to Comply on Dec 6, 2021 at 1:21 pm

@Davis
The only flaw in your logic is stating that unvaccinated are out knowingly spreading a disease. Most persons I know who are not vaccinated are unable to go out or participate in pretty much anything these days so they aren't the ones out in public spreading anything. Not to mention the fact that they are more likely to be symptomatic than those who are vaccinated so I could put to you that the vaccinated walking around thinking they are bullet proof could be the ones actually spreading the disease and endangering others.
In fact, Omicron got to the country while the unvaccinated can't travel, funny how that happened eh? A person's personal medical decisions are none of your or the governments business. I am one of the people who had to get vaccinated to have the "privilege" of keeping my job which I need to keep a roof over my head and feed my family and I can tell you I am not employed by the government, nor am I unproductive. I honestly wish I was a stronger person able to stand up for my beliefs against this mandate but I had to do what I felt was right for me and my family.
I have many friends vaccinated and not vaccinated and I can honestly tell you that those that choose to be unvaccinated are not the evil selfish people you seem to believe they are. By feeding into that narrative, you are what is wrong with society. People are people, their choices are the own and it is not the government's job to keep everyone "safe". Each person in society is responsible for making their own decisions on how to keep themselves safe, that's part of the freedoms we enjoy. When you dehumanize and attack a group for a decision because you disagree with their choices, that is what is wrong in the world. Try and have a little compassion.
The one choice that can't be taken from any of us is our right to choose to be kind to one another and not to rise to the division being crammed down our throats by politics.

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Jeff Bikaboom on Dec 6, 2021 at 12:21 pm

What if in order to stop drunk driving, society made the assumption that everyone was drunk and a potential driver. Even if they did not drink, and showed no symptoms of being intoxicated. Everyone now needs to do a breathalyzer even if they are not driving. When people die of cancer the hospital marks drunk driving on the death certificate. No one can drive all over the world until we have 2 weeks without an accident. Businesses must breathalyze everyone that wants to shop there. Those that don't want to do a breathalyzer are exiled from society and labelled conspiracy whack jobs. No one can go out in public unless they strap a breathalyzer onto their face. We need 100 percent of people breathalyzed or none of the other breathalyzers will work. Even though we were told the current breathalyzers are amazing they keep coming out with new ones.
Corporations run by serial felons profit billions from it and a surveillance grid and social credit score are ushered in. All the meanwhile drunk driving deaths increase. Instead of seeing the flaws and ulterior motives of the paradigm, society doubles down on enforcement. No one is looking at the deaths of anything other than drunk driving so the major increase in all non-drunk driving deaths goes unnoticed. Those that went emotionally all in on the drunk driving movement cannot see the errors of their ways, whether it's on a conscious or subconscious level is hard to say. Their unfulfilling life now has purpose and they are part of a group, a club. What will they do without it? They can't go back to the way it was. How can they live with themselves knowing how they treated others?

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Anonymous on Dec 6, 2021 at 11:32 am

These “I do my own research/I’m an expert” delusional dimwits apply the same approach to their jobs as they do science. Everyone is quietly hoping these “I need to speak to the manager of covid” Karens and Kens go home and never come back."

Roy. Wow, sounds like you are really on top of molecular biology, biochemistry, and pathology. Given that I'm a molecular biologist, I'm really interested in those topics and always do my own research.

So would you say that, good bad or indifferent, delivering translatable mRNA with human promoters to the cellular interior with a nanoparticle delivery system is called gene therapy? It's illegal to apply actual untested gene therapy to humans basically everywhere in the world. They botched a clinical trial in France one time and gave some kids stage 4 blood cancer. There are no legal gene therapy products that people can consume, especially to treat or prevent an illness.

So, what do you think about vaccine exposure concentrating all of the selective pressure on the SARS2 genome on S protein differentiation? Do you think that's a different adaptive landscape?

Do you think the proliferation of variants tending toward immune escape has anything to do with the vaccine's inability to confer sterile immunity? The polio vaccine gives you sterile immunity for 18 years or longer.

"Any troll worth their Salt would strive for quality over quantity in their posts. Try again."

Funny you should say that. You've posted several comments already, none of which contain anything of actual substance. Appeals to authority, name calling, and smarmy self-righteous posturing don't count as substance, you're simply being inflammatory while reveling in the misery of others.

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Davis on Dec 6, 2021 at 8:11 am

@Salt

Impaired driving is actually a great analogy, it's just that you don't appear to understand how the analogy, or statistics for that matter, work.

I'm not sure where your stats are coming from but let's go with the US as they have biggest sample size. In 2016 it was estimated that 111 million episodes of impaired driving took place out of a total 270 billion driving episodes. That means that impaired driving episodes made up about 0.04% of of total driving episodes. In that same year impaired driving crashes accounted for 28% of all traffic-related deaths. If 28% of all traffic-related deaths are caused by impaired driving episodes but yet impaired driving episodes only make up 0.04% of total driving episodes that means that by driving impaired you have an astronomically higher chance of killing an innocent bystander than if you were not driving impaired. So yes, clearly by driving impaired you are putting the public at a much higher risk!

I would say that being infected with a life threatening disease and knowingly spreading it to innocent and unknowing members of the public would be a better comparison to engaging in reckless driving while being impaired.

In both examples of driving impaired (without driving recklessly on top of it) and being unvaccinated, the individual is actively choosing something totally within their control that puts other members of the public at risk.

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AdmiralA$$ on Dec 6, 2021 at 7:15 am

@ Roy

Wow Roy your 6th post on this one article. Obvious government worker from Ontario soaking up our public funds pounding the table about how no one listens to them. Scouring articles against the regime to troll on.

Need to stop foaming at the mouth enjoying destroying peoples lives. 10/10 for troll power 1/10 for any substance. Maybe if you put your hand down and got them knees a bit lower you could make 3 or 4 of 10 for substance but you have shown yourself already.

Of course the reality is not either of us gives a damn what the other really thinks, all meaningless words and shade. Best of luck under that bridge.

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TheHammer on Dec 5, 2021 at 2:49 pm

"YG employees contemplate a new reality." Correction, they missed out the word 'virtual'.

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Wilf Carter on Dec 5, 2021 at 11:02 am

Where has common sense gone?

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Roy on Dec 4, 2021 at 8:04 pm

AddmoreA$$ - did you really say “Removing persons ability to feed themselves and there (sic) families is akin to killing them” and then start the next sentence talking about “sensationalist ideas”?

Bold move. I give it a 10 out of 10 for courage and a 1 out of 10 for substance.
I bet if you work hard you could get that up to at least a 3. Maybe a 4 if you ask a trusted adult for help.

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Tinfoil hats and other Liberal haberdashery… From the Sky Is Falling Corp. - A division of Totalitarian Inc. on Dec 4, 2021 at 12:48 pm

In response to - Salt on Dec 3, 2021 at 9:17 am: “ This is so obviously ridiculous I have trouble understanding how anyone believes it. ”.

Agreed - It is absolutely mind-bogglingly, stupefying, how the Sheeple have bowed down before this arrogant, autocracy to bleat out their approval to this jackbooted thuggery disguised not so subtly as a friendly paternalistic, maternalistic, diversity-including, war-drum pounding, dance beat.

Nice f$@&’ing job. The internet will save us… Cried the fascist losing grip with reality… We can use it to bring unity, harmony, a single voice, the singularity! One of us, one of us, one of us!

We don’t need stem cell research technologies to clone people anymore. We can just give them the internet, we can manipulate the internet to provide an over-arching narrative of dehumanizing tripe such as diversity, misinformation, chaos, confusion, racism, white privilege, while creating an e-system (internet) of the old Gulags… Here, cancellation is incarceration and one is eliminated for wrong think in the brave New World!

The fact that these individuals believe they are leading the way for positive change is absolutely tragic. The irony. Everything they touch is breaking down… Crumbling before them. This has happened before, many times before, but this time the despots of diversity, believe it will be different, because they believe their intentions are good, but worst of all, they believe their outcomes to be just. They are not and they are blinded to the reality of their causes.

These people are dangerous, perhaps unintentionally so, but they are dangerous none the less. History will not regard them as anything more than the story of Chicken Little and a colossal failure of the Little Engine who thought s/he/they could - FFS!

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Roy on Dec 4, 2021 at 11:21 am

It’s not a brain drain - it’s a pain drain.

These “I do my own research/I’m an expert” delusional dimwits apply the same approach to their jobs as they do science.
Everyone is quietly hoping these “I need to speak to the manager of covid” Karens and Kens go home and never come back.

Bye bye headaches. I’ll want extra tomatoes on my subway sandwich when you are making it for me. You’ll be vaccinated to get that job - gonna be an awkward reunion.

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Wilf Carter on Dec 4, 2021 at 9:17 am

From been tested 4 times for CV19 and a person of high risk of dying if I get CV19, we need to take all precautions as possible that includes taking the vaccine when every possible. People that don't have the vaccine create a higher risk of getting the CV19 virus than ones that have the vaccine. This is about safety of our people over rights. I had two friends die from CV19 and got it from a person who refused to get the vaccine. Better to be safe than sorry. Getting the vaccine and helping people from getting the virus is the best way to control this health issue.

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AdmiralA$$ on Dec 4, 2021 at 7:57 am

@Davis & Neil

Yes, that's right Davis you drove a car today that had a 5% chance to hurt someone. if you are a classic Whitehorse driver then it was a 25% chance to hurt someone else. You put me in such unsafe conditions maybe we need to take your job or better yet why don't you and Neil get together and he can lobotomize you for standing up for yourself after the fact.

Removing persons ability to feed themselves and there families is akin to killing them.
Sensationalist Ideas of destroying people and their lives for some perceived threat against you is a dangerous way to run the world. That's why we don't kill everyone who blows over the legal limit or give everyone who speaks against the regime a lobotomy.... But yeah, you know get them knees High, really understanding over these last 2 years who my neighbors are.

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Derp on Dec 3, 2021 at 4:29 pm

I’m in YG and the mandate has done a huge positive for the public service. The anti vaxxed were amongst the worst, laziest colleagues I’ve seen, spending their days talking about chem trails, Bigfoot, UFOs and recently experImental vaccInes.

The hilarious part is that they have all received a half dozen vaccines since birth but this one is a ‘political’ one.

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Derp on Dec 3, 2021 at 4:22 pm

@Davis

I know! Imagine being on both sides of the fence and being wrong twice. The mental gymnastic are staggering with the anti vaxxed.

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Salt on Dec 3, 2021 at 4:15 pm

@Davis

The real epidemic is in invalid analogies.
If everyone's right to freedom ended when by exercising said right, other innocent members of the public were at risk then we wouldn't be allowed to drive at all, intoxicated or not. Only 15% of traffic fatalities are attributable to intoxication, so 85% are caused by people exercising their freedom. I'm going to assume that you are one of those people. What gives you the right to put the general public at risk? The best way to ensure that you don't kill or harm someone is to make you ride a bike or walk everywhere. Anything else would be horribly selfish.

Driving intoxicated is not analogous to being unvaccinated. Actually being ill and knowingly spreading disease IS analogous to driving intoxicated, which is why someone who knowingly spreads a serious illness can be criminally charged.

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Brain drain on Dec 3, 2021 at 4:10 pm

While I can agree the civil service needs paring, it is unfortunate that we will be losing the thoughtful and intelligent people who know their rights (are you listening, unions?). The “non-disclosers” I’ve met are those that are resented because they raise the bar for the “deadwood.”

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Davis on Dec 3, 2021 at 3:02 pm

I find it quite ironic that many people who are anti-vax are also pro-life and against legalizing drugs, how hypocritical! Basically you're saying that when it's "my body, my choice", but when it comes to someone else's body, you should get to have a say in what they can and don't do with their body....make up your mind!

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NeilAlexGeddy on Dec 3, 2021 at 2:56 pm

The anti-covid vaxers are refusing to accept that the unvaccinated are being hospitalized at disproportionate rates compared to those who are vaccinated. You go around waving your"freedom" placards and meanwhile you carry the bulk of responsibility for cancellation of elective surgeries. Sorry, your rights don't come first and what you really need is a lobotomy, not a vaccine.

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Davis on Dec 3, 2021 at 2:54 pm

Personally I believe someone's right to freedom ends when by exercising said right puts other innocent members of the public at risk.
It's the same reason driving intoxicated is illegal, if by doing it you only put yourself at risk then no one would care, but that is not the case, the reason it's illegal is because by doing it you're putting others around you at risk.

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Al on Dec 3, 2021 at 1:13 pm

@ PJ's Ghost
The actual number, and verified, is 117 regular employees and 219 part-time = 336.
Be careful, Minister's tend to table information that is often misleading by not including ALL the data.

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DMZ on Dec 3, 2021 at 11:47 am

The distinction between anti-vaxx and anti-mandate is well-taken. My vaccine moment is the booster shot. There are many, many reputable officials saying the booster shot is overblown and the efforts would be better spent getting at least one shot to as many people possible around the globe. Yet media is putting their spotlight on a few of them saying the booster is now "necessary".

Why should I trust the six-month milestone? I was reading last spring that longer was better for the second shot, so I waited an extra month. It's only recently that became the official advice. In a few months, they'll be talking about a new vaccine for Omicron. Well, I'm not making myself a pin cushion to help them manage their anxiety.

How I manage it at this point shouldn't be anyone's business but mine, since again and again their "game-changers" and "turning points" have evaporated. But these mandates have changed everything. For international travel? Sure. To keep a government job, or a government contract? To go to church? To get a haircut? To fly to Dawson from Whitehorse? Absolutely wrong, and only made more wrong by introducing the dubious need for more vaccinations less than a year -- less than a year! -- after they even landed at the airport.

And I'm not forgetting that it's such an emergency that the medical teams are taking their holidays, their Christmas breaks, their days-in-lieu, and no doubt birthdays off. That they are always ready for their close-up. They've incorporated their emergency into business-as-usual, and express regret constantly that restrictions were lifted "too soon"! We were in a state of emergency for almost a year and now we're right back in it. Who can not question these people at this point?

The program will fold under it's own weight. Checking for compliance for vaccines they're recommending every few months is a fool's game. If only we had governments that would acknowledge that and reduce the pain. It's very troubling what is being contemplated in Europe. We need to be alert.

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Roy on Dec 3, 2021 at 11:31 am

Salty - the vaccine has more than a single copy - nice try though.

I see now that you like to come in here and vomit out a word salad of transparently disingenuous half-truths and misreads of papers you clearly don’t understand or can appraise critically.
While it might get you lots of thumbs up from the like minded minority it’s ultimately you and them yelling at clouds while the world continues to pass you by.

Any troll worth their Salt would strive for quality over quantity in their posts. Try again.

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Vlad on Dec 3, 2021 at 11:16 am

@ but then, dear Martin, you must work, for about half pay.

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AdmiralA$$ on Dec 3, 2021 at 10:14 am

Wow look at all the goose steppers here this week, frothing at the mouth, demanding everyone do as they say. Why read the article when the comment section is so full of fear and hatred? Spicy. I know, I know some people stood up for themselves and showed some integrity...how dare they! Such freedom loving people are a threat to everyone. That is fine my goose stepping friends their cages are coming and we can all keep goose stepping ourselves gleefully to hell.

Shameful.

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Joe on Dec 3, 2021 at 10:05 am

@ All …article title should not be “YG employees contemplate a new reality “ it should be ( and soon will be )” Canadians contemplate where all our freedoms and rights have gone” and it will be too late. In discrimination, mob rules.

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Salt on Dec 3, 2021 at 9:17 am

The argument against natural immunity is one of the defining points of this bizarre narrative that is being pushed. It makes it clear that the goal is vaccination, not health. Somehow we are supposed to believe that your natural immune system being exposed to the actual virus will not provide sufficient immunity, but that the same natural immune system, when exposed to a single man-made copy of one part of the same virus will somehow provide sufficient/superior immunity. This is so obviously ridiculous I have trouble understanding how anyone believes it.

The UK Health Security Agency releases a weekly report.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports
Antibody tests performed on vaccinated and non-vaxxed/recovered show that the non-vaxxed/recovered generate antibodies to the nucleocapsid as well as the spike protein, while the vaxxed only produce antibodies to the spike protein. Their data also shows that the vaccinated have higher case rates than the unvaccinated in many of the age categories.

Israeli study that found vaccinated only people were 13 times as likely to be infected with Delta compared to non-vaxxed/recovered people.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

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YG employee on Dec 3, 2021 at 8:41 am

All those employees concerned with disclosing their personal information to the government, should be. There have already been privacy breaches regarding vaccination status in at least one Yukon government corporation, for which the privacy officer should be fired. Go ahead and ATIPP it.

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Confirm the math? on Dec 3, 2021 at 7:33 am

500 seems like a very high number, not sure how the reporter came up with that, and also considering there are seasonal workers, people on mat leave, etc who haven't attested.
@Anie - agreed. I too know a few of these folks, even offered to pay for a test to see if she had antibodies. She didn't take me up on it.
@ It's not fair, you said "And just to clarify, most of these employees are not anti-vaxx, they are anti-mandate". I don't know the percentage of anti-vax vs anti-mandate, but I do know some of the people who had the wildest, craziest FB posts over the past 20 months or so are no longer listed in the government directory

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Dave on Dec 3, 2021 at 7:08 am

I would hire some of the 500 people but they have zero skills. They worked for the Yukon government unemployable anywhere else.

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PJ's Ghost on Dec 2, 2021 at 11:14 pm

@Vern and others who prefer to complain instead of doing a bit of work.
Had you taken a minute to check Hansard before posting, you would have seen this:
Hon. Mr. Streicker: The number that I just tabled today
is 117 employees. The member across is saying hundreds, but
it’s 117, and they are all people. This is tough for them, for sure.

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bonanzajoe on Dec 2, 2021 at 8:37 pm

Daphne: "Where is this going....?"? Well, since the majority of Judges are left wing socialist supporters, the math should be easy to do. I think mass protests would be more effective. All 500 and their families and supporters - I would volunteer - should put a human barricade around the Legislation building and force the Liberals to stay inside until the matter is settled. Even if it takes up the whole winter months. Don't be afraid to go to jail, that too will be rectified when its all over. When this goes viral, it will encourage people all over Canada to do the same. The Liberal Tyrants have to be stopped before it's too late.

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Roy on Dec 2, 2021 at 6:54 pm

See the other star article which states "The Yukon government is reporting fewer than expected employees have been put on unpaid leave due to its vaccine mandate, which came into effect Wednesday."

Turns out the freedumb fighters all of a sudden could accept the "dangers" of this vaccine!
But now they have to explain to their family and friends how they managed to keep their jobs and still be "anti-vaxx".....that will be a delicate conversation.

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Pureblood not GMO on Dec 2, 2021 at 6:03 pm

The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to inject the protection that doesn't protect the protected??? Must be liberal logic as it makes no sense.

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Juniper Jackson on Dec 2, 2021 at 6:01 pm

So many posters wishing ill on others. Happy that someone will be out of a job, because too many work for government anyway. Others think people do not deserve medical treatment if they get sick. I hope you will all be safe, the few times I wished ill on someone, it bounced back on me.

The government has made a bad decision, along with the City. Putting 1 person out of work is a lot different than putting 350 out. That is not a good scenario. To the 'powers' that be, it would be prudent to back the hell off this extremely unpopular stand.

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Not signing doesn’t mean you’re anti-vaxx on Dec 2, 2021 at 5:18 pm

There is a difference between anti-vaxx and anti-mandate. Many of these workers who are losing their jobs are vaccinated but don’t feel it’s right that they have to attest to this fact when the vaccination rate of eligible Yukoners is so high.

The target keeps moving for everything and there is no constant messaging. We’re all tired of this.

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George on Dec 2, 2021 at 4:36 pm

It's shameful that so many members of society have bought into the strategically developed media driven push to point your covid anger towards those who have chosen not to vaccinate. It deters you from the real issues we are facing, both economic and social. Think about that for a minute….

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drum on Dec 2, 2021 at 4:08 pm

Because of Science and vaccinations we are now safe from many diseases that have killed many of the human population in the past. We now have insulin so that diabetics do not have a death sentence. We immunize children against so many diseases that could have killed them in the past. Why are so many people against getting help to not die of COVID-19? Think about it, measles, smallpox, etc. have been mostly eradicated. I say we trust the scientists and get all the help we can. In the past so many people died of the Flu - now we have a shot that can keep that under control.

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Dave on Dec 2, 2021 at 3:40 pm

So years from now when people possibly start suffering long term side effects from these vaccines or their children start being born with birth defects which has happened in the past from other approved medications who is going to pay the lawsuits and make the apologies for forcing people to take these vaccines against their will? Who is going to be accountable when the current politicians are long gone either living off their fat cat pensions or are six feet under?
When todays pharmaceutical companies who are making these vaccines just declare bankruptcy and cease to exist overnight so they can avoid liability? Remember Thalidomide for just one example? These MRNA genetic altering vaccines could end up making that look like child’s play. Today's politicians apologize for what they now say were wrong decisions made in decades past, meanwhile they make even more draconian knee jerk reactions today when they have no clue as to what it may do to people down the road.

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Anie on Dec 2, 2021 at 2:36 pm

Some people I know have argued that the government is not giving sufficient credit to what they are calling "natural immunity". When pressed, every single one told me that they had covid, and are therefore now immune. There's actually no scientific support for that conclusion. But also, when asked if they had an actual diagnosis of covid, many said no, then they describe what was really a very bad flu strain in late 2019, before Covid was found in Canada. Fools paradise, I think.

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Roy on Dec 2, 2021 at 1:10 pm

"YG employees contemplate a new reality"?
I hope they were contemplating it before this week - they had lots of advance notice to make their decisions. Maybe they thought they'd play chicken with the government.

Good luck out there in the job market. Just remember that Subway sandwich artists don't get a government pension.
And that minimum wage you felt was adequate may not be enough once you're the one getting it.

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Cubdriver on Dec 2, 2021 at 12:16 pm

500? That’s a good start. The government of the Yukon has gotten too bloated anyway. Think of this as a cost savings measure and be happy.
PS, get your vaccine.

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Isolated on Dec 2, 2021 at 11:49 am

1500 recovered cases, not a peep about natural anti-bodies from this government.
This isn't the plague they are making it out to be.

Yes, people struggle with covid no doubts there. But that's not the majority and there's lots of information out there saying those that do struggle are not healthy people to begin with.

If you want me to take a vaccine because you're overweight or smoked you're whole life and are at risk you need to give your head a shake.
This virus isn't killing indiscriminately, there are more options to live safely and act responsibly without mandating someone take a vaccine that has only been around less than 2 years.

Release all the information about who has been hospitalized so people can make informed decisions.
The party line 'this vaccine is safe and effective' is missing the 'for most' caveat, just like 'Covid is scary and dangerous' is missing the caveat 'for some'

So few are truly suffering long term effects or death from this virus that it truly is abhorrent that anyone needs to lose civil liberties over it.
I'm one of the 1500 and let me tell it's not scary and the vaccine won't prevent you from getting it or spreading it.

If you're in an at risk category take it to protect yourself just don't buy into the fairy tale it's protecting anyone but you.

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Daphne on Dec 2, 2021 at 10:25 am

It crosses my mind and I wonder, has the government thought that down the line there might be a lot of court cases coming their way from those who have lost their job? I mean we are really messing with human rights. I am double vaccinated, but I am extremely concerned about the legality of "forcing" someone to take shot of whatever because the government thinks (in their present wisdom.. ) that this is for the good of all? Kind of scary if you ask me. Where is this going....?

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JustSayin' on Dec 2, 2021 at 9:46 am

Liberals can now go around and say they have created approx 500 jobs.

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JC on Dec 2, 2021 at 9:28 am

Boooooring
More entitled fearmongers showing division, then turning about and saying, everybody is living in fear except them, and that everyone is showing division, except them.

I'm not for mandates, but there was always going to be a consequence for abstinence towards public health measures.
Too bad so sad, get the jab, sign the form and quit whining as if this is the first compromise you've had to make for sake of the social compact.

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Vern Schlimbesser on Dec 2, 2021 at 7:01 am

If 500 workers are not vaccinated, and 94 percent are, then 500 equals 6 percent, so the total number of YTG workers equals 8333 ?
My math must be wrong here?

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jack on Dec 2, 2021 at 12:25 am

An approach to vaccinations that would make Stalin proud.

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DMZ on Dec 1, 2021 at 11:59 pm

I can't figure out if the union leadership is for vaccine mandates or just supports vaccines. If ever a situation called for a strong voice to uphold civil rights, it's this one, and yet both the unions and opposition members seem cowed, probably because of the public support the mandate is said to have.

This is the biggest test of minority rights we've ever had in Canada and we're failing. Because they have successfully painted this as black and white. I say it's the biggest test because these non-vaccinated have no public defenders. (What happened to the lawyers in this town? Talk about missing in action.)

Five hundred people is a lot of people who don't have financial support. Yet if they give in and get the vaccination, that says something so tragic about where we are now. There is no free lunch, and by that I mean for everyone. It doesn't matter how righteous people think it is in the moment, we'll be trying to live this down for the rest of the century.

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Nathan Living on Dec 1, 2021 at 11:50 pm

I get religious reasons and medical conditions as why some people should not have to vaccinate.

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North_of_60 on Dec 1, 2021 at 10:37 pm

This experimental drug has more adverse reactions than all the other vaccines in total since records have been kept. If any other new product had such a deplorable safety record it would be on the news every day and the product would be banned.

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extrange bedfellow on Dec 1, 2021 at 9:48 pm

I saw people that were mistreated by YG and now they became extrange bedfellows with exactly those bureaucrats. I don't have any respect for anti-vaxers that attack health workers, as it was done in BC.

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Salt on Dec 1, 2021 at 8:32 pm

@Resident
It’s not bizarre if you put even a minimum amount of thought into it. In this day and age it’s generally the far left that adopts an “end justifies the means” approach, not the right. A portion of the right seeks smaller government, but never at the price of fundamental freedoms/apartheid. So simple really that you probably already understood that, but you make the approved tribal noises anyway.

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YG employee on Dec 1, 2021 at 6:39 pm

The venn diagram of ineffective or annoying co-workers and anti-vaxers has a lot of overlap. Good riddance.

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bonanzajoe on Dec 1, 2021 at 6:34 pm

Soon, the covid mandates won't allow unvaxxed people to shop or get medical help etc. Has this Marxist government figured out a plan to feed and help these people yet? I figured not. The lieberals are not good chess players, they can't see ahead of one move at a time. I for one won't be taking the boosters. So, the Commies better have a plan to deliver my groceries and supply my prescriptions.

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bonanzajoe on Dec 1, 2021 at 6:27 pm

Finally some good news. With a population of approximately 40,000 and approximately 5,000 employees. That's way too much. The government of a territory this size shouldn't have more than 1,500 workers. The private sector should be the largest employer. Those 500 can stay home and when their EI is used up, they can get private sector jobs. A&W for instance is in desperate need of workers.

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Nicholas Talsma on Dec 1, 2021 at 6:25 pm

What people don't know about is that for YTG providers (local businesses) will also need to be required to adhere to the mandate. The majority of the money in the Yukon comes from the government. Which then in turn gives the government control over all its providers to refuse service based on whether or not that business follows their mandate. Wake up people the time for action is NOW.

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My Two Cents on Dec 1, 2021 at 5:33 pm

I heard John Streicker on CBC radio this afternoon. He provided numbers of those that have not attested to be vaccinated. The total number apparently comes out to 350 people. He stated that the percentage was lower sitting at 2%. Well according to my math 2% would work out to 17,500 people working for YG. I know that there are far too many people working for the government; however, I think you need to get your facts correct.

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Support on Dec 1, 2021 at 5:30 pm

Just want to say I support every person who refuses to be bullied even though it negatively impacts your life. I wish you the best and we will all remember who made these decisions.

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Arctic Front on Dec 1, 2021 at 5:10 pm

Say, has anyone in the Yukon or Federal governments bother to read the Charter?
They are breaching many sections of the highest law of the land. These mandates are NOT legal, There is also the Nuremberg Code and the Hippocratic oath as well. And tell me, how many people getting the jab, or being forced, have had informed consent? Who has been told the list of ingredients of those bogus product? It sure as hell isn't a vaccine in any traditional measure. Nor has it been proven safe, effective or properly tested. Even after being given this shot, you can still catch and spread it to others. So what is it actually good for?

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Matt on Dec 1, 2021 at 5:08 pm

This is not about vaccinations or not... it is about adult retardation and the lingering effects. Lucky polio vaccines are given before the age of consent or 1/2 these dunces would be suffering from a short leg.

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Fredia on Dec 1, 2021 at 5:04 pm

FINALLY! I'd rather give up some services or wait in line indefinitely to be served by vaccinated public employees than to prolong this madness of what is going on in our world. Please, please do not revoke this mandate.

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Roy on Dec 1, 2021 at 4:59 pm

Trim the fat. Cull the deadweight.

I bet HR is loving this opportunity to get rid of some headaches. Co-workers too.
Three months from now will they be hired back once they cave and their “research and rights” lose out to reality? I hope not. Plenty of jobs making sandwiches.

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So…. on Dec 1, 2021 at 4:45 pm

A perfect solution here… to all unvaxxers….. no vaccine, get COVID, go to DR or hospital, YOU foot the cost and bill, not YK Health. OR, no vax, COVID, no health assistance. See where that brings you then. Vaccines have been proven! I too am immuno-compromised, others have health issues… COVID = severe outcomes! Got the vaccine, very, very mild case in outcome of COVID….

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Thomas Brewer on Dec 1, 2021 at 4:36 pm

How many employees and volunteers have left government before the mandate kicked in? Either by quitting (take a look at the number of teachers that left in the last 18 months) or by taking early (or not early) retirement. There's far more than 500 when you start digging. That is a lot of corporate memory lost and the public service is worse off without them.

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My Opinion on Dec 1, 2021 at 4:33 pm

SHAME ON YOU.
When this pandemic started, while people huddled at home in fear, sheltered in place to afraid to go to their offices. There was a class of people that stepped up. No I am not talking of first responders. I am instead speaking of essential services, The truck drivers who were heralded as hero's. Small businesses trying to survive while providing goods. People who fix your car, repair or build your house. People who worked in all types of entry level jobs to provide the necessities of life for the fragile entitled group, the same group that thinks so highly of themselves and their social standing, the educated.

Now you vilify the very ones that provided for you even a year before there was such a thing as a vaccine. You all should be ashamed. You are Bullies and like a pack of hounds. Look in the mirror and see what you do. Take their jobs, deny them access to the very restaurants that they worked in to serve you. Deny them access to health care, a dentist. What have you become?

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Yt on Dec 1, 2021 at 3:55 pm

If, as Stacey suggests, small communities will be impacted by loss of ..”emergency medical services, home care and education..”, I question the quality and commitment of those ems, home care and educators. Probably better if without public servants of their calibre.

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martin on Dec 1, 2021 at 3:35 pm

On the brigth side, there are plenty of jobs around the Yukon. I see lots of "Help Wanted" adds in shops all over.

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Jeff Bikaboom on Dec 1, 2021 at 3:19 pm

Those that refused to complete an attestation have done nothing wrong. They are on the right side of history, I commend their morality. At least you have your health and integrity. I suspect that with every shot added to the cue more will join your side.
If employers were entitled to private medical information they could just get it from the employees doctor. But that's illegal so they can't.

I hope everyone is ready for an even more inefficient government. Things will get interesting if we lose a lot of the snow removal crew members, or the mechanics that work on the equipment. For the ignorant that say "not my problem" when other peoples lives are unjustly devastated, you may find that it is in fact your problem now.

All the jobs can surely be filled with the highly qualified, highly experienced young people who are known to have a fantastic work ethic. I am sure they will be flooding in to the Yukon to fill the empty jobs. They will live in all of the available affordable housing.

This is discrimination plain and simple, and let's not forget it is an experimental treatment they are being coerced into taking.

How is our prison doing? Do they have enough staff to keep the prisoners in humane conditions? I am quite concerned that the inmates will be put in solitary confinement if there is no one to supervise them.

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Umm--- you know that line "vaccination is our best choice on Dec 1, 2021 at 3:12 pm

that's categorically false.
Following the data from South Africa, vaccines wane significantly after the first 6 months. There is now talk of medicating with hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, as it seems these actually "kill" the virus.

You want to know what's PROVEN to be the "best choice?" Natural immunity. With over a 99% rate of success. Everything the government has done has been a failure. Whether it be masks, vaccines, quarantines, limitations, etc. NOTHING worked. Why not take the South African or Sweden approach?

"Yep, it's here and we'll deal with it as it comes up. Other than that it's life back to normal."

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It’s not fair on Dec 1, 2021 at 3:10 pm

So…is everyone on SA and EI fully vaccinated? If not, they should also get no pay.
They are technically government workers if the government is paying their income.

We have officially been split as a society. And just to clarify, most of these employees are not anti-vaxx, they are anti-mandate. I’m proud of those to stood up for your rights. You have courage.

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Resident on Dec 1, 2021 at 2:23 pm

Bizarre to see a politically right party complaining about less bureaucrats.

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Olav on Dec 1, 2021 at 2:21 pm

Just goes to show how fat YG is with overpaid workers.
Maybe our taxes will drop now.

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