Whistle Bend lot lottery lures no takers
It's just become very easy to receive a choice of lots in the Whistle Bend subdivision.
By Stephanie Waddell on September 18, 2013
It's just become very easy to receive a choice of lots in the Whistle Bend subdivision.
No applications were submitted by Tuesday's deadline for the nearly 100 residential sites up for grabs.
Consequently, today's noon lottery for the properties was cancelled.
The properties will be put up for sale over the counter.
The lottery was set for the 20 restricted residential, 57 single-family, 11 duplex sites (with two lots per site) and 11 townhouse sites (with three to five lots per site) after the application deadline closed Tuesday afternoon.
Also closing yesterday was the bid submission for the five multi-family sites in the neighbourhood.
The tender opening had been set for noon Friday, but with no bids coming in, that has also been cancelled.
"They will be available over the counter,” Ron Billingham, a spokesman with the Department of Energy, Mines and Resources, said this morning, noting over-the-counter sales will begin next Monday.
Base prices for the phase two lots are set at:
• between $60,683 and $100,766 for townhouse lots, though they must be purchased as a group per site;
• between $74,301 and $117,113 for duplex lots, though they must be purchased in pairs;
• between $109,935 and $175,350 for restricted residential lots; and
• between $110,830 and $221,482 for single residential lots.
Two duplex lots in the area are also being set aside for Habitat for Humanity. That organization is building a duplex in the first phase of Whistle Bend for two families.
A number of other homes are also being erected in the first phase, though there are still phase one lots available over the counter as well.
Whistle Bend has been envisioned as a neighbourhood which will eventually house up to 8,000 residents.
It will be complete with transit service, a town square, space for a school, green space and a number of both paved and unpaved trails.
While the Yukon government is constructing the subdivision, the planning work was done by the city.
Mike Gau, the city's director of development services, said in an interview late this morning the situation means there is a good supply of lots available – which gives the city room to plan.
"We have a good secure supply of land,” he said.
Gau pointed out that often the planning work the city does takes much longer than the actual construction.
Now, things can move at a "more appropriate pace,” he said.
There's been an agreement with the Yukon government for more than a decade to have a two-year supply of lots readily available over the counter.
This may be the first time that such a supply is actually available.
"We're there now,” Gau said.
For the past few years, it's been difficult to keep up with the demand for lots.
He noted he's spoken with a number of developers who have said once their projects in other parts of town – Ingram, Takhini North and the redevelopment of townhouses in Riverdale – pick up in sales, they plan to start looking to Whistle Bend.
Gau expects sales in Whistle Bend to mount in the spring of 2014, when the construction season gets underway.
He noted that purchasing land in the fall means having to sit on an investment over the winter.
Comments (28)
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johnjack on Sep 26, 2013 at 2:07 am
The real reasons for failure are : to expensive, to small, and to many bi-laws period!!!!!
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Where? on Sep 25, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Thanks Resident. I understand that. But I'm also from that generation who should have moved out but couldn't afford it because the cost of housing literally doubled in a few years and wages didn't. So that goes back to my first point.
In theory that makes sense. But in reality, a lot ended up moving out of their parents but into houses with just as many people because you have roommates just to get by.
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Anoydamous on Sep 25, 2013 at 11:37 am
Anyone who claims Whistlebend a success or the future of the Yukon obviously has a stake in it....Hillcrest lots are tiny and the Yukon population is not exploding nor is the economy.....imploding perhaps.
Enough dreaming, live here and live now....who can support any local economy when mortgages are so high?
I also want a cold beer.....FO
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Resident on Sep 25, 2013 at 5:39 am
Where?: You can have an increased need for housing without population growth. If you go from four per house to two per house, you just doubled the housing requirement without increasing population.
The western dream is for kids to move out and start their own family. Immigrants who move from other countries often adopt that custom and also desire to obtain their own place rather than live with family or roommates. Hence a need for housing without a major population boost.
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Where? on Sep 25, 2013 at 4:32 am
I've honestly been confused for years wondering how we can have so much development and our population hasn't gone up that much. I just wonder what is happening with all these houses that people are moving out of. Are people really moving into them? Seems it's less expensive to just build something new instead of move in to something old.
And with the price of housing lately, how can anyone afford to move or buy?
As far as Whistlebend, I agree, for the cost, I would rather live somewhere older for the same cost and have trees. I have stayed in Copper Ridge and you can see right in to someone else's house and you can even hear conversations when they are outside and you are inside. No privacy. Call me crazy for wanting that. I can see why these lots aren't popular. I guess there is the appeal of smaller yards so less yard maintenance...but that's stupid.
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Randy C on Sep 24, 2013 at 7:04 am
J: that whooshing noise you just heard was the point flying over your head.
People aren't against development. People are against the abomination created in Whistle Bend. Look at the maps, have a drive out there. Microscopically small lots. No one will buy them to live there. Builders will eventually create rental properties. All low income stuff, no diversity. Row after row of 6 and 8 plexs that people will be desperately trying to scrape enough cash together to move out and up from. Some will, some won't. It will be a tired old neighborhood inside of a decade or two. The smell from the sewage plant won't be of any help puttin' lipstick on that pig. Whistle Bends destiny is to be the least desirable area of town to live in.
COW is proposing 8000 people in an ultra high density development. People here don't want that, hell move to any other major metropolis in Canada if you do.
I want to be able to sit in my back yard and have some privacy. Some trees. Some land to build a garden in the summer, a rink in the winter. I wanna park my RV there. I wanna put up a shed. A nice big deck to BBQ on. The kids can run around and play with the dog. Maybe one day I'll buy a boat or a snow machine, probably not though. But if I did I could keep 'em in the back yard. I could plant one of those weeping willow trees you see down in Riverdale all over the place.
I'd like to sit out in the front yard and have a cold beer on a hot summer night out of eyeshot of 50 or 100 neighbours. 3 or 4 would be fine. I might even invite a couple of 'em over and we'd bitch about the clowns down at City Hall.
Ever been to Porter Creek? That's what I'm talking about. 100 by 200 foot lot inside the city where I can do all that and still get the kids to hockey, school, dance or whatever in a few minutes.
This is not unreasonable.
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DMZ on Sep 24, 2013 at 4:21 am
Thanks for the lecture, J, I haven't heard enough of those around the glory that is Whistle Bend.
But it seems to me that rationalizing development of 8,000 lots because it creates jobs for the construction industry is justifying the creation of an artificial economy when the first few hundred aren't even in demand. Yes, it's certainly helping our economy here to be paying $100,000 a year to service one house. That's some kind of "economic turning point" for sure.
Riverdale and Porter Creek and so on under construction weren't as pretty as they are now but that clear-cut, desolate effect wasn't the norm until Granger and Copper Ridge et al were developed. The irony about Whistle Bend is it was supposed to be different. Isn't it a fine advertisement for "sustainable development".
Why don't you save your rhetoric for the city and territorial governments. Clearly they've got all kinds of time for such flights of fancy.
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J on Sep 24, 2013 at 2:48 am
Where do all of you live? Riverdale, Hill crest, Copper ridge, Porter creek? Where ever it may be, that once was a piece of land just like whistle bend was not long ago.
Amongst all the negativity associated with this 'issue' we seem to be making it out to be, we need to recognize, that to accommodate the rapid growth of a city, development of land is vital. We need to associate a growing city, and change in land and the developments, with a positive mindset, because it's constant. Something that is constant, always has instant effective variables.
Whistle bend will not only house approximately 8,000 residents once fully developed, but it will create a demand for the construction workforce, engineers, electricians, landscapers, plumbers, lumber and supply companies and the list goes on. Essentially, growth effects every aspect of a city, because as the amount of residents grow and transform, and once again, it increases demand for everything within a city.
Without developments such as whistle bend (and any other related/relevant development that has occurred in Whitehorse, or any city that is), there wouldn't be a demand for many of the jobs and titles listed above, we wouldn't have the constant opportunity for new comers, and also for current residents to sell and buy.
We can never abolish controversy or dislike to topic such as, but we can educate ourselves on the positive constants associated with a new expansion projects that are unfolding in our community, and why they need to happen, and we also need to remember improvement is important. Whitehorse is a beautiful place, and it is so thrilling that more and more people are traveling here and wanting to stay. It creates diversity amongst us.
Whitehorse is at an economic turning point with development growth, It's our city, accept its growth and development or we can all continue to gamble in distress.
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Sharon on Sep 23, 2013 at 2:20 pm
I was part of the green space community "charette"....yes, what a joke and waste of time that was.
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Roger G on Sep 23, 2013 at 9:20 am
Mandeep.
Exactly. Missle* Bend is destined to be a ghetto 25 years from now. Nobody with half a brain would buy/develop/build/live if that s***hole.
Look at it.
*A reference to the human effluent pond across the river
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Mandeep Sidhu on Sep 23, 2013 at 4:55 am
The most desirable real estate for families in Whitehorse is in Porter Creek, Riverdale, Hillcrest.
Great lot sizes with green space.
Whistlebend was supposed to be a lesson in sustainable development. Mike Gau and COW can say that critics are using "hindsight" to demote the area. This is false. Problems with the lots were considered and remarked on prior to development.
Planners just chose to ignore.
Such a waste.
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Arn Anderson on Sep 20, 2013 at 10:01 am
Land is ready to go for development, so it's part of the overall growth of Whitehorse. Eventually it will become developed but the City will have to soak up the cost of not having enough baseline studies.
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Josey Wales on Sep 19, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Hey Eric, in regards to "why?"....
Seems the Yukon despite the footprint on a map, has land scarcity issues.
I know your thinking we may all use/have bongs, but our "nobles" have the place locked down pretty well. Unless you enjoy social(ist) engineering projects as this one, having city fools dictate how your dream will come to be.
"sidebar"...ya'll know there seems to be a hate on from the many levels of government here whom loath log homes?
Permit run around...Green fail allegations...BOGUS!
Imagine NOT being able to build a log home in our Yukon?
The nobles could not plan a picnic never-mind a hood.
I too believe the "save face" tactics will be to saturate the area with YG & CoW housing...more state slums we feed cash to.
The sewage? In a few years some anti-poverty advocate will spin it into "state" building getto near sewage...cuz their economically disadvantaged.
The whole area...its history re: planning...is what it smells like...
S**T!
...is why Eric, in my mere personal opinion. OJW
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north_of_60 on Sep 19, 2013 at 12:05 pm
The green-space plan was destroyed when engineering "misadventures" were "fixed" by clear-cutting and then bringing in many many truckloads of fill. It's a classic cover-up of inadequate project overview.
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Sick of it on Sep 19, 2013 at 11:26 am
Gau has a complete blind spot as to what Yukoners actually want and is chasing trends and buzz words of southern counterparts.
Densification.
Round-a-bouts.
Charette.
Newsflash Gau! Nobody here wants to live in Mississauga style track housing. We want space, that is why we live here. People value privacy. Places to put their stuff.
Who is going to live in cramped lot downwind from a sewage lagoon? Clearly nobody.
Missile Bend should be rebranded 'Gau's Ghetto' because that is the only potential for that smouldering crater he calls a development.
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Unreal on Sep 19, 2013 at 7:52 am
Mike Gau should be forced to live down in that dustbowl he envisioned.
What a travesty.
Mike, try this experiment in your next development. Create Porter Creek sized lots, 100 X 200 and see if they sell. I can tell you right now they will all be gone in seconds.
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Resident on Sep 19, 2013 at 6:38 am
Whistlebend was a total screwup but to be fair, most of the blame should be on YTG for destroying the original plan for the area. The greenspace plan for Whistlebend was approved by plebiscite and the city involved the community in the development far more than they did for other areas. YTG poo'd all over it and this is the result. It looks nothing like that original approved plan with green areas branching out from the central sand dune that was supposed to be preserved.
I do blame city council for not raising hell over what happened.
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Al Fedoriak on Sep 19, 2013 at 5:30 am
The response to the Whistlebend is no surprise it should be a message to city planners. The community has rejected the lay-out and design. Social engineering does not work. The city should get out of the business of community development and stop the destruction of the quality of life that we sought when we chose to live here.
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CJ on Sep 19, 2013 at 4:19 am
"[Gau] noted he's spoken with a number of developers who have said once their projects in other parts of town – Ingram, Takhini North and the redevelopment of townhouses in Riverdale – pick up in sales, they plan to start looking to Whistle Bend."
And like everything a developer tells you, you can take that to the bank!
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Telek Rogan on Sep 19, 2013 at 2:27 am
You mean people aren't interested in buying a cheap house that looks like a geometric virus took ahold of the architecture in a subdivision that has been completely denuded of trees, shrubs an every inch of greenery in the area?
Whistle bend was a terrible idea that has been executed in a careless and thoughtless manner. I hope the place stays uninhibited until the pressed plywood home-in-a-boxes crumble and rot (which should only be about five or six years, judging by the quality of the houses I saw under construction there).
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Just Say'in on Sep 18, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Someone should loose their jobs for this bungling. 221,000 for a single family lot and you can't figure out why no one wanted any (really). From the beginning this has been a complete joke. First they had all the public consultations about green space and trees and walking trails. Then they levelled it. Next they put in 15 feet of fill. Turning it into a gravel pit. But are the traffic circles not really nice (calming devices) hmmm. Why would you be spending all this money, to put more lots on the market at this time when you can't even sell the last bunch? "Here's your sign". What a bunch of over paid bureaucratic clowns. "Planning department says they will now have more time to plan" Too late you BOZO's
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CJ on Sep 18, 2013 at 1:53 pm
The lots will sell eventually. But it makes me feel cold as ice to think of how any comments about the shape of development were met with bullying and dire warnings about not fast tracking as much housing as possible.
This is a very familiar scenario to anyone who's lived here longer than a couple of years.
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Eric Sillanpaa on Sep 18, 2013 at 10:59 am
Why are lots so very expensive in the Yukon?
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north_of_60 on Sep 18, 2013 at 10:08 am
Wasteland Bend will become a social housing ghetto; a fitting legacy for the Buckway Regime
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Joanne Langevin on Sep 18, 2013 at 9:55 am
A choice lot at Whistle Bend....really. Have you seen it???
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Lisa on Sep 18, 2013 at 9:54 am
Bahahaha wait, not funny.
What a terrible destruction of green space!
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56 Yukoner on Sep 18, 2013 at 9:41 am
Maybe if they doubled up the lots and had a 2 fer 1 sale that would give families a sense of property they would sell. That is if you like the smell of sewage!!!
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Jackie Ward on Sep 18, 2013 at 7:49 am
How do you spell Whistlebend? F.A.I.L.U.R.E
What an embarrassment and waste of our tax payer dollars. Bravo, bravo. *insert golf clap here*