Photo by Vince Fedoroff
THANKS BUT NO THANKS – City council votes 5-2 against awarding a contract for curbside recycling Monday evening. Mayor Dan Curtis and Coun. Roslyn Woodcock voted for it.
Photo by Vince Fedoroff
THANKS BUT NO THANKS – City council votes 5-2 against awarding a contract for curbside recycling Monday evening. Mayor Dan Curtis and Coun. Roslyn Woodcock voted for it.
A proposed curbside recycling collection program will not be making its way to a sidewalk near you after all.
A proposed curbside recycling collection program will not be making its way to a sidewalk near you after all.
City council voted 5-2 Monday evening to cancel the contract that would have seen a mandatory curbside recycling program for those on the city’s waste collection program.
Mayor Dan Curtis and Coun. Roslyn Woodcock were the only members of council to vote against cancelling the program. They argued the city should be taking the opportunity to address an important issue now.
“I’m very concerned about the future,” Curtis said. He pointed to the need to divert waste from the landfill and take steps toward a larger shift in that direction.
“We have an opportunity right now to be a leader,” Woodcock said.
If the city misses this chance, she added, it will be a “bumpy road” ahead for recycling and waste diversion.
Both she and Curtis argued the current model for recycling, which includes diversion credits to processors for keeping waste out of the landfill, is not sustainable.
Other council members cited potential changes that could come after the territorial election, along with impending changes in the fall to beverage container regulations as well as surcharges on certain recyclable waste like tires and electronics.
Woodcock, however, countered that by pointing out the city “can only control what we can control.” Even if the next territorial government makes recycling a priority, she added, it would still take at least a year for any significant moves to be made on that front.
She also argued though, that the move to a residential collection program would not immediately address the larger issue of commercial and industrial waste – which makes up 90 per cent of the waste coming into the landfill.
It would be a much-needed move to help make the greater shift in the city toward greater recycling, Woodcock said.
She also pointed to the significant work that has gone into researching the issue, then putting out the request for proposals for the program.
General Waste Contractors submitted what would have been the winning proposal.
It would have seen those Whitehorse residents who are already on the city’s compost and waste collection program charged $17 per month for biweekly recycling pickup and processing.
The bill for the service to 5,850 households would be $16.75, and an extra 25 cents would be tacked on for administrative costs. It would bring monthly garbage bills up to $28 a month.
That’s on top of the $73 per month for water and sewer services also included in residential utility bills issued by the city.
In total, the program would have cost more than $1.17 million to run annually.
That’s in addition to the start-up costs – $50,000 for initial implementation, $15,000 for waste diversion education on the program, and another $496,00 for the blue carts that would go to each household, though funding for the carts would come out of the city’s portion of federal gas tax funding.
The only other proposal came from Whitehorse Blue Bin Recycling, a private company that currently offers voluntary residential curbside recycling pickup throughout the city every other week at a rate of $20 per month.
Those living in country residential areas, in trailer parks or in larger multi-family residences would not have been included in the city’s system.
Under the request for proposals, the program would have begun April 1, 2017.
City staff had recommended the program not move forward in light of the high cost, noting that the budget had not outlined any spending on it.
City manager Christine Smith had described it as a “catch-22” situation. Staff cannot recommend moving forward with something without a plan in place for funding it, she noted.
Without knowing the costs of a program, money can’t be allocated in the budget; without money set aside for a program, administration can’t recommend it move forward.
The administrative report presented to council did outline a process should council choose to move ahead with it. That would include amendments to bylaws around fees and waste management along with budget amendments to make it happen.
Before voting on whether to cancel the contract, Coun. Jocelyn Curteanu put forward an amendment that the city instead undergo a public consultation on it now that the program’s costs and details are better known.
Curtis was the only other member of council to vote with Curteanu in favour of the consultation.
Other councillors argued that:
• there could be legal issues with putting a contract out for consultation;
• timing could be an issue, given the contractual obligations of an RFP;
• little consultation can be done during the summer, with many residents out of town; and
• the work to get to this stage has gone on long enough without the need to prolong it further.
Once Curteanu’s motion was defeated, council was back to considering the recommendation the contract be cancelled, with Coun. Samson Hartland being the first to voice his issues with it.
He pointed to the variables of the upcoming territorial election and the new waste regulations.
He added the proposal would put the recycling solution on the backs of one group of residents: those already on the city’s waste collection program.
Coun. Betty Irwin, meanwhile, cited the earlier report that suggested the curbside program, saying there were no other solutions proposed for dealing with recycling.
She argued the city should be looking for unique solutions to the issue.
“Let’s put administration to work and council to work,” she said. “Let’s put on our big girl panties.”
Coun. Rob Fendrick was among those voting in favour of cancelling the contract, in light of the many variables at play, including the territorial election.
He also vowed that if nothing changes after the election, he may bring the matter back to council chambers to be reconsidered.
Coun. Dan Boyd said the proposed contract would only have affected about half of the dwellings in Whitehorse, given its limitations to only those on the city’s current waste collection program.
Boyd also took issue with comments made by Curtis last week criticizing the staff recommendation to cancel the contract. He asked if Curtis had made those remarks individually, or if he had made them representing council.
He went on to suggest the comments went against council’s code of conduct in publicly criticizing staff and lobbying the press before a decision is made.
“We work here as a team,” he said.
In response, Curtis made it clear he had been speaking as an individual, “one of seven.”
He added his criticism was with the process that had led staff to make the recommendation, rather than with city staff members themselves.
As the discussion ended and it was clear the vote would favour cancelling the contract, Woodcock was left with one question.
“What is next?” she wondered. “Where do we go from here?”
Irwin was quick to answer: “We can go anywhere we want to now.”
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Comments (19)
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Mark on Jul 18, 2016 at 7:14 pm
Well thank you councillors! And Thanks for nothing Mayor.
North 60, I agree with you on all points. Raven is a poorly run operation by it's top heavy management.
P&M will always be the one for me. Nice to see private enterprise survive the wrath of an egotistical, inexperienced, and self promoting city government.
Open the books, and if anyone in Raven's management team objects.....Fire them. They work for us,remember?
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Let's have an informed discussion on Jul 18, 2016 at 11:09 am
Raven is a charity. It's financials are available for public review on the CRA charity site. Link is here. http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/haip/srch/advancedsearch-eng.action Type "Raven Recycling".
In the year ended March 31st 2015 this shows revenues of $3,387,493 , expenses of $3,093,750. A surplus of $293,743. I would be interested to what the 2016 statements show.
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Bring in a on Jul 16, 2016 at 4:13 pm
mayor that can clean up the mess and put the City back on the proper operational track.
Why be so happy to give money away when we can't afford it?
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north_of_60 on Jul 15, 2016 at 12:56 pm
Like all government funded organizations Raven has a lot of "executives" and "managers" who don't actually do anything useful. They spend most of their time sitting at desks playing on their computers, talking on the phone, going to meetings, or socializing. That's called "networking" in NGO speak. Most of their time is spent looking for more funding to pay for their positions. You will seldom, if ever, see them out on the shop floor actually doing any work.
PJT1959 is correct. Until Raven's books are open to public scrutiny then the panhandling and blackmail threats to shut it down will continue, and the "executives" and "managers" will continue to suck up most of the resources for their outrageous salaries and benefits. That's how most NGOs function.
P&M is a private sector business that isn't burdened by that top-heavy useless bureaucracy. That's why they can run a successful recycling operation and are not continually panhandling the government for more money like Raven does.
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PJT1959 on Jul 14, 2016 at 9:49 pm
North 60 have to agree with you. Raven should have their books on line so that people can see what money they bring in and what they pay out. Found one old statement of more than $900,000.00 in wages. That is a lot of money when it is a nonprofit crying the blues. People should make a middle income but over $60,000.00 would be too much.
Since most of these councilors and the mayor have come to power they only seem to want to tax us more and reduce services. They were bent on putting P&M out of business when they shut the door on their commercial side, they could have changed the zoning and I am sure P&M would have put in a bid but they are private not what the city wants. That is my rant.
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Salar on Jul 14, 2016 at 8:12 pm
@J white.....but there is a sustainability DEPARTMENT that should come up with workable solutions....because they are paid a lot to do seemingly nothing.
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north_of_60 on Jul 13, 2016 at 11:52 pm
@Just Say'in is correct.
The Dept of Sustainability is a boondoggle that costs the taxpayers at least half a million dollars a year and provides absolutely no tangible benefits.
We would have enough money to pay for recycling if they scrapped this 'black hole' that does nothing but suck up our tax dollars.
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north_of_60 on Jul 13, 2016 at 11:48 pm
@Jwhite
Crushed glass is one of the best foundation back-fill materials available. That's been known for decades. The only reason it's not used is because Raven charges too much for it, and it's not always available because they don't maintain the equipment for loading it. They should be giving it away for free instead of hauling it to the dump.
The problem isn't it's usefulness; it's the ridiculous cost.
The CoW and Raven are run by extremely high-paid people.
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Mike L on Jul 13, 2016 at 7:56 pm
I love it when people here make comments and present facts that are totally inaccurate, almost nothing from Raven goes to the landfill, just the garbage people dump in the recycling bins or at the free store. Want a real fact? If council had approved the curbside recycling and the increase in fees, our monthly pickup fee would still be cheaper then what a resident of a single family home in Edmonton is already paying. Other cities have been on the right track for a long time, Edmonton started curbside pickup of recycling in 1991! I am very disappointed in city council and the administration, this was your chance to show some leadership.
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Jwhite on Jul 13, 2016 at 2:23 pm
Now we have an opportunity to look for innovative solutions. The poster who asked if more diversion really is worthwhile here raised some good points, and maybe we should start with that discussion.
In the meantime, Whitehorse residents will, I'm sure, continue to recycle as we have in the past. On Monday, we took all of our recyclables (refundable and not refundable) to P&M, they sorted, paid us for the refundables and we were in and out in less than 15 minutes. Others may choose to pre-sort and go to Raven, or to the landfill. Still others will use the Blue Bin service. Seems to me we have lots of options, and no excuse not to recycle.
One thought: perhaps the city can put up a small prize for someone to come up with what to do with the glass that ends up in the landfill anyway. The mayor said to toss it in the garbage. There has to be a better solution. Surely other communities have looked for solutions. A prize of a thousand dollars or so for a workable solution (not necessarily new, just practical) might inspire someone.
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We are diverting all of the value and dangerous goods on Jul 13, 2016 at 12:40 pm
Why do we have to divert anything else? We don't divert at any costs. That is BS political management and we all know it.
Only 10% of the garbage 90% commercial.
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Curious on Jul 13, 2016 at 9:25 am
I haven't been following this too closely but I am wondering if the curbside recycling were to be a go why residential clients couldn't then cut back on their garbage and compost pick up. If that was only monthly those costs could go towards funding recycling pick up. If we're diverting there should theoretically be much less to pick up.
Sorry if this has been voiced before.
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Blue Bins is the answer on Jul 13, 2016 at 9:11 am
I actually read and watched the video about all the candidates and their platforms before the election and this was exactly why I didn't vote for Roslyn. I'm perfectly happy to be recycling the way I want to and keeping a private entity in business.
Forcing people to pay more monthly to recycle doesn't mean that they'll buy in. You can give people everything they need in the world to succeed but they have to choose to use the tools.
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CJ on Jul 12, 2016 at 9:28 pm
Whenever someone on council says "We could be leaders in this area", I start fuming. No votes for you. Add in the language of catastrophe, and I tune them out entirely. Think about it, council. It's not a problem-solving attitude.
This can't be the only route to the destination. To me, it looks like the city attached itself to this plan because curbside residents are fairly docile -- they let the city root through their bins, checking for compliance? Really? -- and they think the building blocks are already in place. Of such assumptions are future budget overruns born.
City plans are often marked by their scant attention to alternatives, leaving them totally at sea when someone says "no". Ach, I can't even. You know it's coming back in exactly this form, but called something else.
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Let's cancell on Jul 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm
Why don't we save all the money spent on garbage pickup and just fire all the sanitation workers. Make everyone responsible for getting rid of there own garbage. Think of all the money we saved!
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north_of_60 on Jul 12, 2016 at 5:57 pm
‘Where do we go from here?’
◙You let the private sector provide a curbside blue-box service to those people who want it.
◙You commission an independent audit of Raven's operations, with the goal to find ways of reducing unnecessary expenditures in a top-heavy management structure. The evaluation of Raven's operations must be done by an independent agent because the relationship between Raven and CoW staff is too 'incestuous'.
Raven needs to fire their redundant and unnecessary management personnel, and hire more front-line workers who actually process recyclables.
◙Once Raven implements the recommendations, then you should fund Raven directly per-kilo for processing recyclables.
◙You stop charging residents for dropping off household 'refuse' at the dump on weekends, so they don't throw it in the wilderness because your tipping fees are outrageously high.
◙You focus on getting the commercial/industrial sector which is responsible for more than 90% of the waste to recycle more.
◙You make salvaging permits at the dump inexpensive so people can reuse and recycle the usable waste that the commercial sector dumps there. You require salvagers to wear hard hats, gloves, safety shoes and safety vests.
That should give you enough to work on, now get to it, OK?
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Data Hungry on Jul 12, 2016 at 2:59 pm
I would really like to see the data behind recycling. Not really concerned about how it's collected, I'm not in the curbside pickup area, so I'll leave that to those who are.
What I'm more curious about is whether Whitehorse's recycling system is actually effective in addressing any of its implied goals.
Diversion from the landfill is important, but of any City, we have so much undeveloped land relative our developed land, that it makes me wonder why a new dump is painted as a non-starter. Couldn't Whitehorse Copper be filled-up with trash?
Reduction of environmental impact and GHG emissions is the other goal - or at least it's implied in my eyes, but again, is it really being achieved? Surely another full day of driving around collecting recycling would be cutting into the benefits.
To me this whole public outcry over curbside pickup has been a missed opportunity to delve deeper into the question of what to do with our waste. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough for the supporting data. Hit me with some links!!!!
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Resident on Jul 12, 2016 at 2:57 pm
Thank god ! This means the city won't be putting private business out of business and will not be successful in their latest attempt to pilfer my pockets. Everyone knows with very few exceptions the material we "recycle" just goes to the landfill anyways so I feel no need to pay near $500 a ton ( 50 times that of southern communities without vast amounts of available land) for a service that already exists , and if I want to pay someone to pick it up at my door I'll call blue bin
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Just Say'in on Jul 12, 2016 at 2:55 pm
Thank You to the councillors that voted this down and shame on the others.
To you Dan Curtis do you understand that most of the stuff that goes to Raven and we so dutifully clean separate and make a special trip in fact goes to the dump because there is no market for it or it is just way too expensive to ship.
Believe it or not Vancouver has all the Glass and Paper and Cardboard they could ever use, and they only have to ship it a couple of blocks. They certainly don't need ours.
This whole department of sustainability needs to look at if they are in fact sustainable.
For the Mayor to talk about ZERO waste in the near future is just crazy talk. As long as trucks haul stuff to the Yukon everyday for the consumers then there will be garbage. If you want to stop this then quit buying the crap. Simple.