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YEU president Steve Geick

We’re standing up for members’ rights: YEU

It appears as if the Yukon government is considering some significant concessions demanded by the Yukon Employees’ Union (YEU) over the proposed mandatory vaccine policy due to be implemented on Nov. 30.

By Whitehorse Star on October 25, 2021

It appears as if the Yukon government is considering some significant concessions demanded by the Yukon Employees’ Union (YEU) over the proposed mandatory vaccine policy due to be implemented on Nov. 30.

YEU president Steve Geick told the Star this morning the government has until the coming Friday to respond to the union’s demands.

Geick said the proposed agreement would limit the amount of disciplinary action the government could take against public service workers. Specifically, it wouldn’t allow the government to summarily fire workers.

Instead, it would offer the chance for alternative accommodations via personal protective equipment and/or regular testing, as well as remote work options.

Geick said he met with John Streicker, the minister for the Public Service Commission on Friday, as well as Public Service Commissioner Paul Moore.

While he’s optimistic the negotiations went well, Geick said the government has until this Friday to sign off on the proposal. He won’t relax until then.

He said he fielded dozens of requests for more information over the weekend from members asking for more details after an internal email was sent out to union members late Friday.

The email reads as follows:

“Last Friday’s (Oct. 15) announcement of a looming mandatory vaccine policy for Yukon’s public servants and allied health workers has sent a chill through the territory. The vague announcement has thousands of Yukoners anxious and uncertain about whether they will be out of work following the Nov. 30th vaccination deadline.

“YEU president Steve Geick met today with the Government of Yukon’s Public Service Commissioner and John Streicker, minister of the Public Service Commission, following up on a meeting earlier in the week with the Director of Labour Relations.

“In both meetings, the Union asked for a detailed plan and in both meetings it was clear; there is no plan. Policy writers are scrambling to draft policy language while the goalposts move regarding vaccination best practices.

“Nothing has been decided – not how to protect workers with legitimate vaccine exemptions, not how the government will run the territory with up to 20 per cent of its workforce on leave without pay.

“In today’s meeting, Streicker and Moore committed to consider an approach similar to the NWT’s planned vaccine mandate. That policy allows for extended use of PPE, remote work options and regular rapid testing of unvaccinated workers.

“There is also a review of the deadline taking place as new recommendations emerge around the recommended time between first and second doses.”

Geick said, “Minister Streicker confirmed his commitment by email this afternoon”:

“I have committed to getting back to you and YEU on or before Friday Oct. 29th with public health information as advised by the Acting Chief Medical Officer of Health and her office about all proposed strategies in support of public health regarding those employees who are not vaccinated,” Streicker wrote in the email.

“We are giving your requests serious consideration. Based on shared information and further conversations with YEU and YTA (Yukon Teachers’ Association), we will then determine what decisions we will be taking.

“As discussed in the meeting, the Public Service Commission is treating this as our highest priority.”

Geick said, “YEU is not budging; we are adamant that this employer must respect its workers and will not agree to any mandate that is punitive in practice.

“Yukon Employees’ Union supports the enhanced workplace safety a vaccination policy can provide, but we also support the rights of our members who are medically unable to be vaccinated and those with religious objections.

“For those who choose not to accept the vaccine, we believe that the employer has an obligation to consider alternatives to leave without pay or disciplinary action, including remote work, PPE and rapid testing.”

Streicker was unavailable for an interview before press time this afternoon.

Comments (72)

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drum on Oct 30, 2021 at 11:06 pm

Very little can be done against this outbreak - but I do want to know who I am coming in contact with who has not had any vaccinations. That is there decision - but stay home and away from me and the general folks in the Yukon.

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And now is the time for a fight? on Oct 30, 2021 at 10:35 am

So where were all these people like Steve when all the private industries were mandated with mandatory vaccines. Airline workers, restaurants and bars, long term care and many other companies were mandated without much fanfare. But now we are dealing with our fragile government workforce who have mostly stayed home for the past 2 years with full pay with benefits.
Yes, we have all heard how the vaccinated can still get covid. I understand that freedom of choice is paramount, but as we can see, that ship set sail many months ago for the rest of us. But I look at it this way. We have about 20% unvaccinated, but that 20% accounts for over 80% of the reported cases. So either a vaccinated person who contracts covid has little or no symptoms or it actually reduces the chance of getting covid.

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MyRightsHuh? on Oct 29, 2021 at 5:45 am

My rights….oh please.

Your tenure as President has been laughable.
Once more you fail your membership. You don’t represent me and many others who just pay their dues and get what exactly Steve? We get you popping your head out to see your shadow….and then hide again.

This is the hill you are going to fight on? Really?

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Waterford Ireland on Oct 28, 2021 at 3:09 pm

Yes, high percentage of vaccinated people, and big increase in cases. But that's only part of the story - from the very beginning, Ireland Health Minister has been saying that vaccination is only one part of reducing cases - and last night had another national plea to 1) get vaccinated 2) wear masks 3) avoid indoor crowded space 4) sanitize Like every other country. There are areas in Ireland with very few cases, and other areas (urban, more crowded) where the cases are high.

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Health care workers - I don't understand on Oct 28, 2021 at 7:18 am

Vaccination is required for all nurses before they even start their studies. To think that they, or any health care worker, would give up their careers by refusing to get vaccinated for covid makes no sense to me. They work with the most at-risk people, both patients and co-workers. One piece of good news is that in BC, Oct 26 was a deadline for health care workers to have at least one dose, and according to Vancouver Sun, at least 1500 health care workers got their first dose in the week prior.

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iBrian on Oct 27, 2021 at 9:22 pm

@ North_of_60 on Oct 26, 2021 at 9:06 pm

Right On!!! Way to sum it up .

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Neo on Oct 27, 2021 at 9:03 pm

If we all get the 'vaccine' we will eradicate the virus, right?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/waterford-city-district-has-state-s-highest-rate-of-covid-19-infections-1.4707344

People use the seatbelt analogy, okay...wearing a seatbelt reduces the chance of death/serious injury if you are in an accident, but people still die in traffic accidents all the time. Same thing here folks, this medical treatment is there to protect YOU, not eradicate the virus. Look at the Yukon right now, somewhere around 90% fully vaccinated. So you believe that only 10% of the population is responsible for 100% of the transmission? Let that one marinate...

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Pro-Choice and double-vaxxed! on Oct 27, 2021 at 6:47 pm

Dear Unreal - It is the YEU that decides what grievance will go forward. Good luck. I was harassed, sexually harassed, yelled at, called names, threatened with termination, and then harassed some more.

The YEU prevented me from grieving from accessing the RWO and told me to sit down and shut-up. There was nothing I could do. The YEU can and will shut you down based on ‘it’s’ considerations of the political fallout. Individual members have no rights they belong to the Collective - You are one of us - It’s a conflict for sure but one the Courts have sided with historically - Good luck!

However, notwithstanding my utter contempt (learned) for the YEU and Geick I am on their side on this one. No civil society can or should tolerate a vaccine mandate or coercion to get the vaccine on threat of removal from society and the ability to earn a livelihood.

So truck off with your grievance. If it does go through and I am aware of it I will form a coalition of the informed to seek intervener status to argue that your fear does not dictate my life, my right to life, and my right to security of person.

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Joe on Oct 27, 2021 at 5:31 pm

@Obi please tell all the people that smoke, eat fat food, drink booze, drive too fast, engage in any high risk activity to “please stay at home with a box of Kleenex. Leave the hospital for those residents that need it for diseases they can’t prevent, instead of letting the people who enjoy freedom of choice to take over beds for an illness that can be prevented. “

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MikeS on Oct 27, 2021 at 10:45 am

Steve is always inflating numbers when it suits him. "up to 20% of workers off without pay" try 11% max, closer to 5%. "Thousands of Yukoners not knowing if they will be without work". Try more like 500 max, more like 250. In places where this has already been mandated most of the hesitant ended up getting vaccinated. A few dozen or so is likely the real number that this will affect who will be put on lwop. Not worth sacrificing the safety of most for a few dozen people.

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North_of_60 on Oct 26, 2021 at 9:06 pm

Anyone who thinks an unvaccinated person is a threat to a vaccinated person, does not believe C0vid vaccines are effective, so it's not your concern if someone is not vaccinated.
For the first time ever a medicine's ineffectiveness is being blamed on those who haven't taken it.

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Obi on Oct 26, 2021 at 8:37 pm

Dear YEU,
Please do all of the vaccinated people a favour, and tell your antivax members that when you get COVID, not if, but when you get COVID, please stay at home with a box of Kleenex. Leave the hospital for those residents that need it for diseases they can’t prevent, instead of letting the anti-vax people take over beds for an illness that can be prevented.
The majority YEU members should tell these idiots to get on the program, or get laid off.

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HorsePucky on Oct 26, 2021 at 8:30 pm

I am a union member and have been for over 10 years. For Steve to come out about this issue makes you wonder where he’s been hiding? You embarrass yourself and the membership when you think you speak for all of us. I have long since ignored union related news, it’s a waste of my time.

I sustained a workplace injury over 10 years ago and I have 5 different union reps. Where’s the continuity? I was bullied by DMU and HR personnel and where was the union? I self advocated because the union did not.

I have been at work for some time whilst others have not. I am tired of the BS, Take your shots and get back to work.

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drum on Oct 26, 2021 at 7:08 pm

No vaccinations - no employment. Simple.

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Unreal on Oct 26, 2021 at 7:06 pm

Mr Geick
As a YEU member I will file a grievance on December 1 if unvaxxed staff are in my work space.
I deserve a safe work space. I am not a pawn in your desire to be relevant.
Then what are you gonna do Steve? Who will you side with then?

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Shock and Awe? on Oct 26, 2021 at 6:43 pm

I'm shocked that you are shocked. This started coming down the pipes in February and well under way for sometime. It was clear where this was going by the end of July. You were either onboard or out of job. Clearly, some people were not in tuned with the frequency…
Now, with a clearly defined deadline in place. I chose to keep my job as I have kids to feed and a mortgage to pay. No time for tantrums, on with it.

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FFS! Take the red pill! on Oct 26, 2021 at 5:46 pm

Dear Ordinary Joe - The Canada Health Agency is a political tool. I would put as much faith in them as I would some opinion from an ordinary Joe.

The history of this agency is one of conflict. It has engaged in racialised and discriminatory medical practices and it is a mouthpiece for the PMO.
When you have to change the definition of the word vaccine to fit the Covid-19 vaccinations you know from the get go that there is a problem.
I just do not understand how many people can be so ignorant and cavalier about the medical information they believe - It is shocking and frightening.

There is a song by the Who with the line: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss… Unfortunately we are in a decline of the intellect… A great and terrible swirl of diminished capacity, mental health, and the threat of physical health security in the context of tyrannical dictates doing away with the right to choose what happens to our bodies - Do you not remember the forced sterilizations, the McGill University MK Ultra/Mind erasure experiments, the experiments on First Nation Children, the Tuskegee Syphilis studies… in Canada and the US - Are you for effing real?

The list of egregious wrongs committed by our governments goes on and on. And you trust them to tell you the truth… FFS!
You would have to be blind, deaf, dumb, and lacking tactile sensory experiencing to not understand that there is something gravely wrong with a mandate that either leaves you with no choice or a forced choice - Get it or you’re out of society with no ability to earn or receive a livelihood.

It is every citizens obligation to disobey unjust laws and we are all obligated now to resist this undemocratic tyranny of terror. It’s okay because you’re vaccinated and safe… I am vaccinated and safe but I support other’s right to choose what happens to them and their body.

The mentality of those who support this tyranny physically repulses me and it should you as well.

Check this out:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6206309

Check this out:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/7344771/canadas-public-health-agency-president-resigns-amid-rising-coronavirus-cases/amp/

Check this out:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/torontosun.com/news/national/jet-setting-phac-manager-resigns-to-become-full-time-influencer/wcm/804adb13-eda5-43bd-9519-ddfffb9ad9eb/amp/

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DWD on Oct 26, 2021 at 4:51 pm

Why take a vaccine that puts one in danger from the ones that do not take the vaccine? Nonsensical! Any vaccine mandate is nonsensical, this whole thing is madness. If the vaccine was truly safe and truly effective, then the ones that took it would be safe from the ones who do not take it. Plus, 98+% survive the illness and recover even without the vaccine. It is all a hoax, there is no pandemic! All of the flatten the curves, stay away from one another, wash the hands, wear the masks, take the vaccine, and fear and hate propaganda has done NOTHING to stop the spread nor the madness. In fact the surges came with the rollout of the vaccine...vaccines have SIDE EFFECTS, there are serious side effects and deaths happening all over from the vaccine. Why is this information being suppressed? Why is anything that questions the official narrative being scrubbed? But now folks will keep fighting, biting and devouring one another, falling right into the abyss. Almost two long years of this! Surely this post will get lots of hates and maybe will not even be posted. But everyone has a God-given right to personal choice, and to fully informed consent.

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Politico on Oct 26, 2021 at 4:43 pm

Maybe we could do even/odd days for people who are Vaxed/unvaxed so we don't have to mingle with the Typhoid Marys of the world!

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You scare me! on Oct 26, 2021 at 4:15 pm

At Resident -
The “vaccine” does not protect you from other union members or members of the general public. The “vaccine” does not even protect you from getting or transmitting the virus.
What is a public health crisis as well as a mental health crisis is the fear mongering, fear-porn driven angst that is preventing very real and honest discussions about what is going on.

You are being misled and misinformed about the realities of the vaccine, the virus, the mask mandates, and the lockdowns. The only reason these people are still pressing forward with their agenda is because they realize just how stupid they have been and how foolish they would to backtrack now.

You people have been scared stupid… For once I agree with the YEU and more specifically - GEICK on this matter. End the mandates and stop the lockdowns - You are killing people!

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Ordinary Joe on Oct 26, 2021 at 3:48 pm

Randall Patrick McMurphy, you said "Covid vaccines" are not fully approved by Health Canada". A quick google search for those words produced a Health Canada web page that clearly disproves your statement. You should apologize for misinforming Yukoners on matters that can affect their health.

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Truck Driver on Oct 26, 2021 at 12:50 pm

The "logic" behind the mandates is similar to the owners of those tiny Smart cars trying to ban trucks from being on any roads with them because the car they chose to buy offers them only partial protection in the highly unlikely event of a collision - therefore everybody must drive Smart cars or leave the roads because you're clearly a radical monster endangering society.

If your vaccine can't keep you safe enough to even be in the same restaurant as me, then why would I get it? I can answer that and it's not about safety, it's about punishing those that didn't conform.

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DMZ on Oct 26, 2021 at 12:39 pm

I saw that the federal privacy commissioner looked at the federal vaccine passport program and made some recommendations that he said were taken, including that the program has an end date.

Is there anything equivalent in this government's policy? I didn't see anything in Silver's piece in the Whitehorse Star about weighing privacy issues. This government is confident that it has the support of the majority of Yukon residents. This is definitely a case of majority rule and I think some reference to Charter rights would not be amiss. Did our privacy commissioner have a chance to weigh in on this?

I don't think the support can be counted on to last. I have both shots and in theory I was resigned to this vaccine passport business, especially for international travel. I know myself well enough to know that I will chafe at being asked to show proof of vaccination to some appointed civilian at a store or coffee shop I want to go to, but don't have to. I doubt if every store owner is thrilled at the prospect either.

While I don't work for government, I can see that it's a very uncomfortable situation. It's made more so by the fact that increasingly I see that these medical officials have set numerous milestones that turned out to be meaningless. The vaccination rate chief of among them. What are we to do when we reach 90 percent, or 99 percent, and these people find it necessary for more restrictions? Just ignore the contradiction, as we have been?

The |"booster" shot is the last straw for me. The information is so uncertain, and the advice so shaky, that I have completely lost faith that scientific data is being adequately interpreted. I just want to hear one official admit that it's the case that there is absolutely no consensus on it. Instead they are advising certain groups to get it. The short history of this disease shows that that will rapidly turn into a requirement. Our "passports" will never be valid.

I am more and more inclined to reject the proposition that this vaccine ID is a crucial next step to get out of the pandemic. I will follow it because I have to. But let's not pretend this doesn't present a huge threat to our autonomy. This government is refusing to acknowledge that, or even try to settle anxieties about it.

It's time for our media in general to take a more analytical approach to these policies. The point isn't that the handful of people protesting are outliers. It's more about the government presenting increasingly dubious grounds for increasingly invasive requirements, with apparently no corresponding checks to the powers they have given themselves. Because they don't think they have to. Make them work for it.

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Max Mack on Oct 26, 2021 at 12:20 pm

One pro-mandates poster says: "Let the sane majority speak rather than the nuts."
In response, I refer you to a famous quote by Charles Mackay: "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."

Canada has become an apartheid state. Vaccine mandates and passports are madness. God help us all.

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Private Sector on Oct 26, 2021 at 11:45 am

Well Steve, you know what I would like to see? All these departments get back to work. It’s been almost 2 years and it’s time. If YTG and the government hadn’t spread the fear as much as they had, this situation would not exist. Workers in grocery stores, gas stations, Walmart and Canadian Tire seemed to manage to work through this. Most likely all the YTG workers that were hiding out at home visited most of these places at one time or another. We’re all in this together and we have your backs and whatever other BS sayings Trudeau used.

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Vaccinated Member on Oct 26, 2021 at 11:29 am

@YEU member, you are right. The union should be representing all members. So what about the 80 to 90% of the members who have been vaccinated that may not want to work with that 10 to 20% that are unvaccinated? They don’t deserve representation? One also has to wonder why YTGs vaccination rate is lower than the general public. Could it be because as long as they stay unvaccinated they can live in fear and work from home?
I agree this has crossed the line for self choice. But when the government is mandating this for other industries, should they not have to follow their own guidelines? I say let them remain unvaccinated and wear their masks and be tested daily, but on their own time.

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As a taxpayer on Oct 26, 2021 at 10:09 am

As a taxpayer, please YEU, tell me why I have to pay for your members to go on a cushy accommodation or go work from home (likely doing very little). Or worse, wasting valuable medical resources for things like rapid testing just so your members continue to be difficult? Where are MY rights as a taxpayer?

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martin on Oct 26, 2021 at 9:44 am

It has been reported that many beneficiaries fo QDFN aren't vaccinated; why aren't they? They are working for YG.

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Sue Sez on Oct 26, 2021 at 9:37 am

YEU Mem - Where will it end? ....Boot Hill comes to mind

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Dave on Oct 26, 2021 at 9:17 am

I am vaccinated because it was my free choice to do so, my decision to do so probably would have been different if at the time this government had been holding a hammer over my head saying get vaccinated or else. I 100% fully and truly support everyones right to say no to being vaccinated regardless of their employer or circumstances.

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Accommodations seem reasonable on Oct 26, 2021 at 9:13 am

Each person who chooses to not get vaccinated can show up 1/2 hour early for a daily test at own expense (the one with a swab stuck up the nose) and wait for the results (on own time). If it's negative, can dress in PPE (mask, shield, maybe goggles) and start work. They should not, in my opinion, be working remotely unless there truly is a medical reason that a vaccine can't be taken (and the medical exemptions are very very limited).

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Clayton Thomas on Oct 26, 2021 at 8:54 am

Always entertaining to read the comments of the people that don’t feel safe unless others are vaccinated.

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Skeptical on Oct 26, 2021 at 8:23 am

I hope the employer stands its ground on this. Neither regular testing nor PPE is an adequate substitute for vaccination and service quality (in many positions) is greatly diminished by remote work. I would have taken it for granted without them needing to say it that they would be accommodating people who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons so that part seems like a distraction.

I don't like any of this mandate stuff either but the unvaccinated are really making a mess of the world for the rest of us. As a vaccinated just shy of middle aged adult they pose a pretty low risk to myself personally but they increase the chances of a breakthrough infection for someone who is, on account of age or comorbities higher risk even with vaccination. Despite what they keep insisting there is plenty of evidence that vaccination reduces infection and onward transmission. They are also clogging up hospitals thus reducing care for others who need it. They are also necessitating continued restrictions and disruptive school closures.

I'm exasperated and frankly at a loss as to what to do about them. Unfortunately this isn't something we can't "live and let live" on without substantial social consequence.

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Wilf Carter on Oct 26, 2021 at 8:02 am

I support getting vaccinated but I can't tell anyone else they should. Hopefully before Xmas we will have vaccine for kids. I know I am high risk - if I get CV19 I am a dead person and I am getting my third shot tomorrow and I am happy to get it. If 20% has taken the shots why not the rest of the people in Yukon?

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Dan on Oct 26, 2021 at 7:55 am

Those of you who are demanding others get vaccinated for your safety clearly have little faith in the effectiveness of the vaccine. This vaccine does not stop you from getting covid, nor does it stop you from spreading covid. It merely reduces the chance of serious symptoms in those who have received it. If you're vaccinated and the vaccine is as effective as they say it is then you shouldn't be concerned about the safety of your workplace. You're protected. Stop trying to force others to receive an experimental treatment that is still in phase 3 trials for a disease that they only have a 5 percent chance of getting in the first place.

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YT on Oct 26, 2021 at 7:45 am

“Nothing has been decided – not how to protect workers with legitimate vaccine exemptions“
This argument is over used and uninformed. 0.01% of people qualify for a medical exemption, maybe in Yukon there is 0-3 employees that will qualify to have a physician declare them medically exempt according to the 1 clear criteria (anaphylaxis to first dose as declared by allergist, other reasons like myo/pericarditis result in deferral).

Personally when I read an argument that focuses on the medically exempt I tune out - it’s a red flag that there is a lack of understanding about vaccines.
A few sources to help learn about medical exemptions:

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/health/about-bc-s-health-care-system/office-of-the-provincial-health-officer/covid-19/covid-19-vaccine-medical-deferral-form.pdf

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/8199359/reasons-cant-get-covid-vaccine-bc/amp/

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Roy on Oct 26, 2021 at 7:37 am

For those people that say the vaccines "don't work" because the virus kept spreading.... Yeah... it kept spreading because PEOPLE WERE UNVACCINATED. Holy s**t, how can all you anti-vaxxers be that stupid?!?! Talk about a clown show.

If everyone had been vaccinated promptly, instead of this self-entitled bullshit "I have a medical reason" (I guarantee that 75% of you saying that you have a medical reason are just scared) "My god doesn't like it!" (not a real reason, sorry ) then the virus would have been stopped much sooner. Yes, *some* people would have still gotten sick, because vaccines aren't 100% effective. Nothing is (except death!) But if EVERYONE had the vaccine, it would have been stopped. Period.

Do you see polio anymore? Nope. Smallpox? Nope. hat's because all of us were vaccinated when we were kids. Vaccines work. Shut up. You don't know what you are talking about.

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Bob on Oct 26, 2021 at 6:03 am

Notice to employers....you will be held liable for this discrimination imposed on tax paying citizens ...check with your lawyers because we will be bring you all to court including the corrupt government in Yukon and federal. Can't believe anyone thinks taking our freedoms and rights away is a good move... you will own nothing and love it... really people this is not law ...it's policy - big difference...get educated people...don't fall for the lies.

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Patti on Oct 26, 2021 at 1:09 am

There are scientists and doctors that are discussing the issues related to the vaccine. There needs to be more open debate on the subject. We need to be reasonable before making an extreme policy that discriminates. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeVy7jQoz0

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Rollover on Oct 25, 2021 at 9:04 pm

@nathan living - you are absolutely right! The government MUST stand up and make it mandatory or lose your job. Simple as that. No remote working options. There are lots of vaccinated people who would love a cushy government job. But we all know how this is going to play out - the Lieberal government doesn’t have the guts to follow through.

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Anonymous on Oct 25, 2021 at 8:57 pm

The choice of whether to receive medical treatments has always been an individual’s right in Canada. The Canadian National Report on Immunization (1996) stated “Immunization is not mandatory in Canada; it cannot be made mandatory because of the Canadian Constitution.” Section 2 of The Charter guarantees these fundamental freedoms through the freedom of conscience (subsection a) and the freedom of thought, belief, opinion, and expression (subsection b). Without individuals having the freedom to choose, we would not have a democratic society.

The Criminal Code contains our country’s Criminal Offences and explains that a person commits an assault by intentionally applying force to someone else without that person’s consent. The Criminal Code further explains that consent is not obtained from a person who submits, or neglects to resist, on the grounds of authority being exercised over them. How then can someone give proper consent to a COVID-19 treatment injection when doing so under the threat of losing their job, freedoms, or livelihood? Canadian courts have already ruled that medical treatment without proper informed consent is an assault.

As Canadians, our constitutionally-protected freedoms precede the government, and may only be temporarily limited if the majority of evidence justifies such infringements as reasonable, provable, and guided by law. If presented with all available evidence in a court, the government implemented mandates would not hold up under scrutiny.

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About Time on Oct 25, 2021 at 8:56 pm

It's great to see the YEU and Steve Geick on the right side of history for once! He should contact Jonas Smith and Currie Dixon to help coordinate a united response.

Now it must be obvious to the Liberals that they have chosen the wrong path. Literally no one supports them. Now we have the Yukon Party, YEU, Jonas Smith, Ted Laking, the Conservative Party, the People's Party on one side and the loser Liberals on the other. Heck even Kate White from the NDP said she isn't so sure that the government is doing the right thing. It's pretty bad when even the NDP see the problem here.

You have the power to bring down this government Kate. Please do it so that we can elect a strong, stable, Yukon Party majority government.

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bonanzajoe on Oct 25, 2021 at 8:47 pm

This past Saturday, there were over 300 people demonstrating over the Liberal Governments tyrannical policy to take away freedoms of the citizens. I noticed no politicians with the exception of Jonas Smith showed up. Maybe next time the demonstration should be during a week day in front of the Federal and Territorial government buildings. Premier Silver, you and your Marxist comrades are on notice.
I also see Federoff got off an nice picture of a golden eagle being freed from isolation on the WS front page. I guess eagles freedom is more important than Canada's citizens in today's dysfunctional Canada.

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bonanzajoe on Oct 25, 2021 at 8:34 pm

This past Saturday, there were over 300 citizens demonstrating over the government's tyranncal policies to take away freedoms from the citizns.

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What? on Oct 25, 2021 at 7:55 pm

So Steve Geick is advocating for an unsafe workplace for members?
Who does this guy work for?

“Some of our members don’t believe in seatbelts and choose to be thrown from a vehicle in the event of a car accident.”
I heard that you can opt out of having your union dues go to YEU but redirect them to charity. Does anyone know if it is the case, if so post details I’m sick of supporting these self serving union ‘executives’.

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Nathan on Oct 25, 2021 at 7:32 pm

Government is in place to protect our rights. It's not here to make sure no one ever gets sick.

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Nathan on Oct 25, 2021 at 7:17 pm

It's sad how heartless some people are. Most of these people have families and children to provide for Have empathy for your fellow man. If the vaccine works you should have no need to worry about the unvaccinated.

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Joe on Oct 25, 2021 at 6:56 pm

@ghost of geick...,put it to a vote, you’ll see majority doesn't support mandates, large majority. I would argue those who support mandates are not sane but rather scared and brainwashed. Yes vaccines are good and yes everyone should consider taking it but it's wrong to coerce people and discriminate against those who choose not to take it. You know, like pro choice and all the years Canadians fought for those freedoms. So bring it to a vote, time to see true colors.

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Sheepchaser on Oct 25, 2021 at 6:38 pm

Dear unions,
Being fired for failing to abide by policy is not a ‘punitive measure’. Just a natural consequence. There’s nothing discriminatory about it.
Thank you.

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Randall Patrick McMurphy on Oct 25, 2021 at 6:24 pm

Steve Geick is bang on. Canadians have a right to decide what medical treatment we receive or do not receive. Canadians have constitutionalized protections for conscience, religion and security of the person including bodily autonomy. Mandatory vaccine policies are a blatant violation of Charter rights and freedoms. Mandatory vaccination in all employment contexts is illegal, unconstitutional, discriminatory and unenforceable.
The employer does not have a right to dictate any medical treatments including being injected with an experimental gene therapy, which in fact is what these "vaccines" are. In addition, under the Nuremburg code, a person may not be subjected to a medical experiment without their fully informed consent. Neither can a person be coerced into participating in a medical experiment. As Covid "vaccines" are not fully approved by Health Canada, they qualify as a medical experiment. mRNA injections are the largest medical experiment in human history.

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YEU Member / YG - on Oct 25, 2021 at 6:14 pm

As a YG employee and YEU member with a chronic respiratory condition that would be "complicated" if I was to catch COVID . . . . what about my rights to health and a healthy workplace? Trumps (pun intended) those small percentage that are complaining to YEU.
If YEU is so strongly standing up for employees "rights" to be at work and unvaccinated (yeh, this is a pandemic), how about sharing your YEU building with a few of the small % of unvaxed complainers?
YEU states that "20%" are unvaxed, I suspect maybe 5%. Maybe 20% of the callers to the office.
Also, PPE is personal protective equipment, to protect that person, does that mean I also have to wear it because a co-worker won't protect us as well as them?
And only so many jobs can be done remotely, and efficiently - it would be 2 class. Can the unvaxed work from somewhere nice and sunny and warm this winter?
And for RAPID testing, often false negatives, at lower end of infection, so useful, but far from a solution. And who would pay? Maybe have a lottery for those who are vaccinated - and the prizes is to do the full (and DEEP) nasal swab to test those unvaccinated.!
Check out the national PSAC site - they are accepting the federal mandate.
http://psacunion.ca/your-rights-work-vaccinations-and-covid-19-updated
YG - until YEU offers to share their building with unvaxinated YG employees - just say no.
YEU - weird you jumped on the Jonas J Smith and Trump bandwagon - you need some maga hats.

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Use some logic on Oct 25, 2021 at 6:11 pm

To the people on here claiming they have a right to a safe working environment too, the vaccine doesn't fully prevent spreading or getting sick and dying from covid. Yes it does help and I support it, but the notion that because you don't have unvaccinated people at work that you're suddenly safe from covid now is ridiculous. Not only that if you believe the vaccine works well enough you shouldn't be worried about getting covid after being vaccinated

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Riverdale Resident on Oct 25, 2021 at 6:11 pm

So, if YEU members don't have to follow government issued mandates, why do the rest of us Yukoners? If the government issues a health mandate, can we just say nope, or are YEU members more special than the rest of us?
Talk about entitlement.

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TheHammer on Oct 25, 2021 at 6:04 pm

YEU member@ 'where will it end." When the COVID ends, but it won't end if people like you get their way.

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DL on Oct 25, 2021 at 5:56 pm

The up and down vote ticker for this comment section is, once again, derailed. I just tried voting up or down, and in either case it scores points for the opposite side. Two votes, as a matter of fact. So beware everybody, the numbers you see are unreliable.

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Give me a break on Oct 25, 2021 at 5:54 pm

Reward people with accommodations and letting them work from home?! Come on YG, start exercising your management rights and stop letting YEU call the shots.

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Matt on Oct 25, 2021 at 5:42 pm

Let them not take the vaccine. Alternatively they can be dropped from medicare and produce a negative test at their own expense. So no forced vaccine at all... simply take it or live the way an unvaccinated person is going to live in the future. Do the dumb think we are out of the woods on this Covid????

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YEU Member on Oct 25, 2021 at 5:39 pm

Vaccine mandates don't make a workplace "safe" as vaccinated people transmit and carry similar viral loads. Vaccination reduces your personal risk, nothing more. This kind of policy is not evidence based.

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Bud McGee on Oct 25, 2021 at 5:38 pm

I don't get why this vaccine mandate is necessary other than for virtue-signaling reasons.
If you are vaccinated, you have the protection, and there's no reason to be fearful of unvaccinated people. According to the Government, you are protected from severe illness.

If you are unvaccinated, you have likely done your own personal risk assessment and determined that you are at low risk of a severe COVID outcome based on whether you've already had COVID and recovered, your age, and/or health profile.

If you are elderly, immuno-compromised, or have comorbidities (smoking, obesity, diabetes, etc.) then you should have gotten the vaccine by now. It is these high risk individuals that would benefit the most from a vaccine.

This broad brush approach of treating everyone the same with regards to COVID does not make scientific sense. Treating a healthy 30 year old the same as a diabetic 80 year old doesn't make any sense. For a healthy 30 year old, COVID, without a vaccine, is 99.9% survivable, but for a someone over 80 that drops to 82%. After assessing their own risk, a lot of unvaccinated people are not very scared of the virus. It's funny how vaccinated people appear to be more fearful of the virus than unvaccinated people.

Glad to see YEU step for its members and fight this nonsense.

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YEU Member on Oct 25, 2021 at 5:36 pm

End all restrictions!

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The Ghost Of Geicks Integrity on Oct 25, 2021 at 5:00 pm

Do it YTG. Make it mandatory or else. Let the YEU put it to a strike vote.
Let the sane majority speak rather than the nuts.

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Wes on Oct 25, 2021 at 4:53 pm

If the Yukon Party was in power and announced they were going to lay off 10% of government of Yukon employees to trim the fat and save money, people would be cheering in the streets, but because Covid has become politicized, it’s now all about YEU me, bets to rights.

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Nathan Living on Oct 25, 2021 at 4:53 pm

Whatever YEU.
This is government policy so your members have to be vaccinated before they can work or they can leave their jobs.

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John on Oct 25, 2021 at 4:45 pm

Need to drop vaccine mandates altogether. Yukon doesn't need it. Call an election.

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BnR on Oct 25, 2021 at 4:45 pm

Well, it’s official, the YEU now runs the Yukon.
It’s been a while coming, but with the majority of workers in the cushy gov pocket, it’s the defacto ruling party. Heck, just let gov workers do whatever they want AND get paid, it’s effectively the same thing these days.
C’mon Silver, take a stand for once. Other jurisdictions are doing it, mandatory vaccines for all gov employees. Geicks a nurse for god sakes, he should do better.

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Jim on Oct 25, 2021 at 4:07 pm

I don’t think anyone is surprised by the Liberal government walking back on their announcement, which they used to deflect attention from their sexual assault scandal. Much like the Feds using the same announcement during the federal election just to walk back on it after as well.

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Rick S on Oct 25, 2021 at 3:55 pm

No mandates, period. The vaccines do not prevent or limit contagion. End of story. Enough of this clown show.

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Jayne W on Oct 25, 2021 at 3:49 pm

Again fully support citizens right to choose . BUT.... I wish I worked for YTG, not get vaxed and be able to work from home (remote work options) and knowing full well my productivity would not be the same, but still get the paycheck. (oh internet paid, supplies, computer, phone) Don't get vaxed fine.. just be careful, wear a mask if close contact, get tested when needed, stay home when sick. Don't stay home to do your job.

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Anie on Oct 25, 2021 at 3:48 pm

Did he really say that "thousands" of GY employees are unvaccinated?

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YOLO on Oct 25, 2021 at 3:40 pm

As a YEU member I can say Geick doesn’t have my back or my support.
I don’t want to work with ANYONE in any unsafe environment. Doesn’t matter if it’s COVID, toxic gas or unsafe machinery. I demand a safe work environment.

Steve. This isn’t one of your contests. This is life and death. Do the right thing for once and think of the membership. Not how you appear in the paper.

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Resident on Oct 25, 2021 at 3:34 pm

What about the rights of the workers who chose vaccination to protect themselves and their coworkers?

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YEU Member on Oct 25, 2021 at 3:08 pm

GOOD! The union has an obligation to represent and fight for all its members, and shouldn’t roll over. These vaccine mandates are the beginning of a very slippery slope and really worries me about what’s next. Where will it end?

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