Photo by Whitehorse Star
Larry Bagnell
Photo by Whitehorse Star
Larry Bagnell
Larry Bagnell, the Liberal MP for the Yukon, has yet to ask his party's leader, Michael Ignatieff, if he can skip voting on a private member's bill to scrap the long-gun registry.
Larry Bagnell, the Liberal MP for the Yukon, has yet to ask his party's leader, Michael Ignatieff, if he can skip voting on a private member's bill to scrap the long-gun registry.
Bagnell made the comments this morning on CBC radio's The Current when asked by the program's guest host, Nancy Wilson, if he thought of, "... just not show(ing) up.”
"I'm not sure, I haven't explored that possibility to see if that's an option,” Bagnell responded.
To date, Bagnell has indicated his support of proposed Liberal amendments that – instead of scrapping the registry – would decriminalize first offences for failing to register a firearm, eliminate fees and some paperwork.
Back in April, Ignatieff told the Canadian Police Association the Liberal party would oppose a Conservative private member's bill to get rid of the registry.
This put eight Liberal MPs, including Bagnell, in a difficult position, as they have twice voted in favour of Con-Manitoba MP Candice Hoeppner's bill to kill the registry.
Free votes release MPs from the bonds of party positions and are often granted by parties' caucuses for private member's bills.
But on this issue, Ignatieff is whipping his party – demanding Liberal MPs hold the line on the party's support for the registry. The third, and final vote on Hoeppner's bill is expected in the House of Commons near the end of September.
During Ignatieff's visit to Whitehorse two weeks ago, he said the Liberal party is against abolishing the registry "because every single police chief that I've talked to says they need it as a matter of course.”
In an interview with the Star back in April, Bagnell said he preferred if it were a free vote, adding that, "he may not have a choice.”
This morning, he attempted to explain his remarks on The Current.
"When they asked me this morning about the option of staying out of the House, I wasn't expecting that question,” Bagnell told the Star.
"I think, as I said since the beginning, I will explore options ... but (Ignatieff) is not giving us the option.”
Bagnell was joined on the radio program by Peter Stoffer, the NDP member for Sackville-Eastern Shore.
Stoffer is one of 12 NDP MPs who have voted in favour of the scrapping the registry, and unlike Bagnell or the Liberal party, Stoffer said he is not being whipped by the NDP caucus and will again vote for Hoeppner's bill.
While not the Yukon's MP when the Liberal government of Jean Chrétien installed a national gun registry, Bagnell was roundly criticized for abstaining from a March 2003 vote that provided an additional $60 million to the registry.
Bagnell said he abstained because he would have been expelled from the Liberal caucus for voting against the financial top-up. But with the Liberals still enjoying a majority government, it was a whipped vote Bagnell could afford to miss.
But on this go-around, Bagnell said, he is outnumbered by southern MPs in his party who support the registry, and has yet to ask Ignatieff to skip the vote.
"There doesn't seem like there are (any other options) at the moment, (Ignatieff's) seemed pretty adamant about the registry and so is the party,” said Bagnell.
"And I haven't seen the slightest indication that (Ignatieff) will change ... or any room for maneuvering.”
Faced with toeing the party line, Bagnell is touting Liberal-proposed amendments and reminding voters that the Conservatives and the Bloc Québécois are also being whipped on Hoeppner's bill.
During Prime Minister Stephen Harper's visit to the Yukon late last week, Harper accused Bagnell of abandoning his constituents on the long-gun issue.
To date, 6,001 firearms have been registered in the Yukon territory.
Here is this morning's exchange between The Current's Wilson and Bagnell:
Wilson: "Did you, as you struggled with this, did you think that perhaps an option for you was to just not show up (for the vote)?
Bagnell: "I'm not sure, I haven't explored that possibility to see if that's an option.”
Wilson: "So if you haven't explored that possibility, are you saying that that's still an option? That maybe that's a way out for you, that you don't have to stand up and be counted, unless your constituents want you to stand up and be counted?”
Bagnell: "Up to the vote, as I said before, I'll explore all options that are open to me.”
Wilson:"So you're still undecided.”
Bagnell:"No, as I said before, at the present moment, the Bloc (Québécois), Conservative and Liberals, aren't being given a choice on how to vote on this.”
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Helen Booth on Sep 1, 2010 at 8:13 am
There is only one other aspect I would like readers to consider: if Bagnell does not vote with his party, he will not receive certain benefits in return. All parties operate this way. If you toe the party line, you may receive a Cabinet seat, priority in party meetings, etc. These benefits directly contribute to the MP's ability to bring home benefits to their consituents.
So before you throw an MP to the wolves for voting with the party, you have to consider the long term. Would you have have your MP inside or outside of Cabinet in the next government?
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Reason on Sep 1, 2010 at 7:34 am
Larry
Here's the deal. You work for us, not Iggy. The Yukon public has grown weary of you 'every man' glad handing.
Do what we sent you to Ottawa for and represent us. Opting out of the vote shows your cowardice.
Here's another news flash: Iggy won't be around after the next election and if you're not careful you won't be either.
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Don McKenzie on Sep 1, 2010 at 6:50 am
Wasn't it Larry, who just 2 weeks ago, said that he wanted Prime Minister Stephen Harper, to listen to Yukoners, like Iggy did?
Iggy apparently, didn't hear Yukoners, when it came to the flawed firearms registration. The PM did.
Who's Larry listening to? Iggy, or Yukoners?
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Christopher di Armani on Sep 1, 2010 at 2:16 am
Jack Layton Showing Integrity?
Anyone who knows me knows I'm no fan of Jack Layton's. I think he's a conniving, opportunistic man who will do almost anything to get in front of a TV camera. So his stand on "allowing" a free vote on Bill C-391 is very surprising to me.
It's no secret old Jack is anti-gun. If he had his way he'd ban them all in a heartbeat. Good thing he doesn't get his way, if you're a gun owner like me.
Yet he is steadfastly refusing to whip the party vote on C-391, and at the possibility of great political cost to himself.
Liberal "leader" Michael Ignatief is slamming Layton every chance he gets. Ignatief is, naturally, forcing his Liberal MPs to vote his party line or face the consequences of his wrath.
Yukon's Liberal MP Larry Bagnell is feeling stuck between a rock and a hard place. His rural riding is filled with hunters, miners, prospectors and outdoors people.
When asked if he would avoid the House instead of voting against his constituents, Bagnell said "I'm not sure, I haven't explored that possibility to see if that's an option". He's got to ask Iggy's permission to be absent, I guess.
Terrified of opposing his party leader, and equally scared of facing his constituents at election time if he votes to keep the gun registry, Bagnell is feeling left out in the cold by a party leader out of touch with rural Canada.
Bagnell needs to "man up" and do right by his constituents, and to hell with his party and its leader. His constituents will re-elect him as an independent if he does right by them. Will they re-elect him if he spits in their face on C-391? I wouldn't bet my election hopes on it if I was Larry Bagnell.
NDP MPs, on the other hand, are able to vote the way their constituents desire, which is how democracy is supposed to run in the first place. Representatives voting the will of the people they represent.
While not a philosophical dilemma for most Conservative MPs, they too will be expected to vote the party line on C-391, even if Harper doesn't make it official.
Bloc Quebecois MPs will vote against the bill, as their party leader demands, leaving Jack Layton as the only federal party leader willing to act with integrity on this issue of free votes on Private Member's Bills.
Did I really say that? Did I really use the words "Jack Layton" and "integrity" in the same sentence?
Yes. Yes, I did.
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Joe Yanisiw on Aug 31, 2010 at 2:36 am
Larry,
Grow some balls or resign your seat and try and get yourself elected in Toronto where you can show your true liberal colors, voting as you are told and not have to worry about representing the wants of your constituants.
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Rob Angus on Aug 30, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Larry, get a haircut! The Eighties have called . . . it's over, get a haircut.
And, about your principles: When it comes to voting on the long gun registry remember that as a politician you have your principles. And if people don't like your principles you can always get others; after all, you're a Liberal!
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Dennis Guthrie on Aug 30, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Of course you have a choice Larry!
You can do the right thing and join the Conservatives.
Then you can represent us properly and not have to kiss your leaders arse.
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Trev Martin on Aug 30, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Come on Larry, the choice is simple! Either you are Iggy's whipped boy or you stand up like a man and represent the Yukoners who sent you to Ottawa to speak for them. It is not near good enough to quietly play hooky when the time comes to be accountable to your constituents. Forget that nonsense. Yukoners have plenty of southerners from big cities who would tell them what is right for the north. Surely you haven't become one of those, have you?
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M. Peltier on Aug 30, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Ignatieff is whipping his party – demanding Liberal MPs hold the line on the party's support for the registry.
This comment is supported by Ignatieff's statements on public record.
Faced with toeing the party line, Bagnell is touting Liberal-proposed amendments and reminding voters that the Conservatives and the Bloc Québécois are also being whipped on Hoeppner's bill.
Show us where PM Harper has made any statement to 'whip' the Conservative party, as Mr. Ignatieff has clearly done to the Liberals.
Private member bills are traditionally a free vote. Mr. Ignatieff is the only party leader to speak out against that Parliamentary tradition.
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Geoffrey Capp on Aug 30, 2010 at 12:19 pm
I can't understand why the Liberals and NDP can even find candidates to run in a place like the Yukon unless those candidates are in favour of gun registration and controls. After all, it only makes sense that any such candidate should be aware of the party stand on the issue and know what's expected of him or her.
Bagnell is a Liberal. His boss expects support for a control that doesn't work, and Bagnell's more likely to remember Ignatieff than thousands of Yukoners, particularly since he seems to be unchallenged as the Yukon's MP!
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Nile on Aug 30, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Larry does not care about the Yukon or its people. All Larry cares about is his job. People are starting to wake up Larry. It took them a while, but people are realizing that you do nothing for us. You're great at shaking hands and flipping burgers but you're not prepared to represent the Yukon.