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Voters reminded of Bagnell's gun registry stance

Voters reminded of Bagnell's gun registry stance

By Jason Unrau on April 18, 2011

Candace Hoeppner, the Conservative MP whose private member's bill to scrap the long-gun registry was defeated last year, visited Whitehorse over the weekend to remind voters how Liberal-incumbent Larry Bagnell flip-flopped on supporting her bill.

"I think the people in this area recognize that their member of Parliament did fail them on that issue and it will be something that I'm going to be talking about,” Hoeppner told local reporters Friday afternoon at Conservative candidate Ryan Leef's campaign headquarters.

Last September, Bagnell voted in favour of a motion to defeat Hoeppner's Bill C-391, ensuring that the long-gun registry would remain – this in spite of voting to support it on two previous occasions.

In the lead-up to the vote that scuttled Hoeppner's bill, she visited the Yukon to drum up support for her cause and shame Bagnell for changing his stance.

But the trouble for Bagnell started this time last year, after Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff told the Canadian Police Association his party would oppose Hoeppner's bill and he would whip the Liberal caucus to fall in line.

Bagnell was one of eight Liberal MPs to support Hoeppner's bill in the House of Commons on first and second readings.

One independent MP and a dozen NDP members also sided with Hoeppner, but unlike Ignatieff, NDP Leader Jack Layton – a supporter of the long-gun registry – is allowing his caucus a free vote, generally allowed by all parties when MPs are faced with a private member's bill.

When Ignatieff visited Whitehorse in August 2010, he said the Liberal party opposed abolishing the registry "because every single police chief that I've talked to says they need it as a matter of course.”

At Leef's campaign headquarters, Hoeppner described Bagnell's vote against her bill as crucial, particularly when it came down to a 153 to 151 split.

She said she would be taking that message to Yukoners' doorsteps.

"The bill was defeated by two votes, and if Larry had stood up and had fulfilled his commitment, that would've been one vote closer,” said Hoeppner.

"So the people of the Yukon will have a chance to say, ‘yes, that was acceptable, Larry' or ‘no, that was not acceptable, and we want a new member of Parliament.'”

Asked if the long-gun registry is a top issue for Yukoners, Hoeppner sidestepped the question and suggested voters in the territory want an MP within government as opposed to without.

"Having a voice at the government table is very important for Yukoners, and I think that's something people realize,” Hoeppner said.

"They have a member of Parliament in opposition, and most likely (he) will continue in opposition.”

Asked whether he would defy the party leader if faced with a whipped vote that contradicted the wishes of Yukoners, Leef responded in the affirmative, but didn't anticipate such an occasion.

"Quite honestly, I'm not sure if I envision myself ever being in a position where the Conservative government conflicts with the vast majority of Yukoners,” said Leef.

"That said, if we get pressed into a corner on this issue, I'm going to Ottawa for Yukoners, I'm not going to Ottawa for myself, I'm not going there for a job.

"So to answer your question in a very direct fashion – I will vote onside with the Yukon.”

Earlier in the campaign, after Leef made similar declarations, Bagnell called his Conservative challenger naive.

"(Conservative MPs) have always toed the line on whipped votes, and if Ryan (did otherwise) he would be kicked out of the party; he would have to break that promise,” Bagnell said.

There's a price for going against one's party, the MP added, chalking up Leef's comments to his rookie status.

"My position has always been the same. I would never leave the party (over the registry), but I give him the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't know that because he's new,” said Bagnell.

"I could never have won the battles I won in Parliament (being outside the party) ... you need to have allies.”

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Comments (18)

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jud on Apr 26, 2011 at 11:14 am

JC i will not listen and i will certianly not learn anything from the likes of you. bitterness is a sickness and should be treated!! also don't be sad,don't be blue,other bus company will have job for you!!

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Francias Pillman on Apr 24, 2011 at 6:06 am

$$--Newsflash for Yukoners and all Canadians--$$ Your vote doesn't mean nothing, and has not meant anything for a long time. I can assume we are all adults here right? We do not dictate policy or laws, period. Our votes mean nothing. No matter who gets in power, the their plan has been written for years. Until everyone on voting day, doesn't show up to vote. Then and only then will we send the message of who really is in power. So it's better to not vote at all. Here is a quote from one of the greatest comedians of all time, George Carlin, about voting. "I don't vote. Two reasons. First of all it's meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The BS they shovel around every 4 years *pfff* doesn't mean a thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', but where's the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.”

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Yukon Girl on Apr 20, 2011 at 9:29 pm

*Sigh* Here we go again. Larry Bagnell appears to be a very nice person however when are the Yukoners actually going to look at the party behind the person. Obviously Mr. Bagnell has no power on his own and he is with the Liberal party for a reason. If you agree with the Liberal platform, vote for him and the "new coalition" and another election when they break down due to who wants to be top dog.(As well, soon to be brought down by in-fighting since all want their own policies brought into place). This is not about who is a wonderful person. It is about who individuals believe will do the best for the country.

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G Hardy on Apr 20, 2011 at 10:12 am

@ES .... no argument there, and its a slap in the face for democracy. I wasn't suggesting Iggy could be trusted,and M Peltier is right in my books. By the way, i'm not a 'friend' of Larry's, he doesn't know me, but after 30 yrs + living in the Yukon I have become an admirer.

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ES on Apr 20, 2011 at 7:31 am

Har hardy har G Hardy. Don't mix politics and friendship.

As M Peltier put it:

Ignatieff talking about democracy is pure hypocrisy.

Whipping the vote instead of letting MPs vote for their constituents is not democracy.

Vote whipping is dictatorial

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G Hardy on Apr 20, 2011 at 12:53 am

The Hon. Mr Bagnell was caught between a rock and a hard place,over the stupid gun registry, a non issue for most people.I know Larry, having to make that choice tore him apart, and to have the likes of Mr Leaf pick on him over this one lame issue, is really small minded, that goes for the rest of these people that just want to throw dirt ..

Shame on you! Larry is an exceptional person and long time Yukoner. Mr. Leaf worries me,if one was to profile him and his admitted past employment, its easy to see the power trip he is on. Ex RCMP? Why did he leave the force,why did he leave his other positions? Cage fighter,and now another position at our Jail, second in command yet and a big fan of SCAN, sure they shut down the drug house downtown, more of a Fascist endeaver, as it definately goes against Canadas Charter. Now there are more drugs than ever, more spread out and much harder to locate, if the RCMP ever decided to do their job , and actually tried to find the source, as they did before it became 'too much trouble', we might actually see real results. To say that Larry flip-plopped is absurd and misleading when taken out of context, he was whipped by Iggy into this vote, what choice did he have, cut his own throat ?, Easy to say for armchair politicians. PLEASE,quit bad mouthing such a kind, honest and long time friend to many Yukoners, he doesnt have the heart to smear wannabees, so please back off, it only makes you look like 'OUTSIDERS'.

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JC on Apr 19, 2011 at 6:54 am

jud: Stick with the issues at hand, if you can understand them. Freedom of speech and opinion is a traditional and democratic right. If you have none, stay quite, listen and learn.

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Emma Davies on Apr 19, 2011 at 5:44 am

Personally, I can't support a candidate who appears to think the most important issue facing the Yukon is the gun registry. It's a non-issue in my opinion, and I'm tired of being told what "Yukoners want" by a very small number of vocal, opinionated individuals.

There are plenty of important issues out there, and I'm listening to the serious candidates to see what they have to say about things like housing, poverty, and health care.

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Something new on Apr 19, 2011 at 4:54 am

Prior to Larry becoming our MP, what did he do? Does he have a trade?

Where did Larry come from?

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johnjack on Apr 19, 2011 at 12:10 am

get rid of these American Liberals!!!!

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Golf Sierra on Apr 18, 2011 at 11:38 pm

The Hon. Mr Bagnell has demonstrated that as a gambler, he was willing to roll the dice: risk being thrown out of caucus for voting against the party, or risk the ire of the public for voting against their wishes. We need politicians who are people of principle, no matter what the cost personally.

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M. Peltier on Apr 18, 2011 at 2:57 pm

Ignatieff talking about democracy is pure hypocrisy.

Whipping the vote instead of letting MPs vote for their constituents is not democracy.

Vote whipping is dictatorial.

Ignatieff proved that he is a dictator when he whipped MPs to vote the party line on a private member's bill.

Lie to your constituents and we will never forget.

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Stella on Apr 18, 2011 at 2:00 pm

Can anyone actually give me an example of Larry doing something for the Yukon? Talk is cheap Larry, your time is up. I voted for you once due to lack of a better option. In my opinion Ryan is now the best option. The Cons will be in power after the election and I want someone working for us from the inside, not criticizing from the outside.

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jud on Apr 18, 2011 at 12:50 pm

Just what is your problem JC. you seem to be bitter on a number fronts including the bus contracts. Are you pro isolationist? if you are then go home and close your blinds the world will pass you by. When you open them you will see that we have moved on. If that is still to much then get help!! Nothing else we can help you with. LOL

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B Fast on Apr 18, 2011 at 11:22 am

I am all for killing the gun registry. However, there's got to be more to being an MP than that? If all Leef has to offer is the gun registry, I think I'll pass.

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John Egan on Apr 18, 2011 at 11:14 am

This election is not based on one issue, nor is it about who you can trust based upon the gun registry vote.

There are far more varied issues that Canadians and Yukoners face than the gun vote. That isn't to say it isn't important however! So I am NOT dismissing that issue.

This election puts most Canadians and Yukoners at a crossroads. Do we vote the way we did historically or do we educate ourselves more to make an informed choice on who best represents us.

To most, we want accountability whether it is locally, territorially or nationally. Is that possible? Many doubt it. But as we have seen of late the winds of change are in the air. And..... perhaps this election has galvinized Canadians in a manner that all parties need to be prepared for?! Perhaps many Canadians feel they need to take stock. Perhaps Canadians are tired of the political sabre rattling. Maybe we just want things to get done, and get done the right way!

As I mentioned previously, I am less inclined in believing the big party machines and look in a new direction. But my mind isn't made up. I know rhetoric bores me to tears. Is anyone passionate in this election? I want to hear what candidates feel, I want to hear them talk from their hearts. If I wanted a car salesperson I would go and talk to one...

Old hot button topics like separation, majority governments and name calling don't get at the crux of what most Canadians are interested in.

Canadians & Yukoners want to be heard, they want to be represented fairly, they want medical care, food on our tables, and families celebrated. We want those that are disadvantaged get the services they need and have safe, affordable housing that don't put people at more risk. We want seniors & elders to be taken care of in their golden years and be heard for their collective wisdom they impart.

I think many Canadians want their governments to invest in them, after all haven't we invested in them enough over the years?

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marcia on Apr 18, 2011 at 9:07 am

What does one do when they have no faith in all 4 candidates?

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JC on Apr 18, 2011 at 8:21 am

And just what battles did you win for Yukon while you were in Ottawa Larry? I know you followed a Quebecer around for a couple of years as his secretary or something and since then the French population has at least doubled giving them almost as many schools as the English, not to mention other benefits.

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