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NOD TO THOSE REMOTE – Premier Sandy Silver explained this morning that those living outside Whitehorse city limits will be eligible for a remote supplement once the carbon tax takes effect in July of this year. Inset Katherine White.

The cheque’s in the mail: YG unveils rebates plan

The Yukon government lifted the curtain on its long-awaited proposed model for the carbon price rebate this morning,

By Whitehorse Star on January 17, 2019

The Yukon government lifted the curtain on its long-awaited proposed model for the carbon price rebate this morning, saying individual Yukoners can expect to receive two cheques this year once the levy hits the territory in July.

That number will bump up to four cheques come 2020 and following years, given that the Yukon is being hit with the tax in the middle of the year, unlike other jurisdictions.

In an effort to keep administration costs low so as not to grow government, YG explained this morning that there will be no full-time staff hired for this, thanks in part to using “existing processes within government,” documents noted.

Meanwhile, households in the Yukon are estimated to make up just under 30 per cent of the fuel use in the territory, and the proposed rebate will see them get back about 45 per cent.

Meanwhile, individuals will pay a levy of $3.41 million and expect to be rebated $3.51 million this year. As of 2023-2024, that number will grow to a $7.57 million levy and $11.7 million rebate.

By that point, the levy itself is expected to grow to $50 per tonne, after steadily increasing from $20 per tonne as of this year.

Those eligible for rebates will get more back on average than what they paid in levies, show documents circulated at a technical briefing held today.

It cites the reason for this as being some groups like YG, the feds and tourists not receiving rebates.

“As opposed to us taking that money and putting it towards something (like retrofits), who better to decide how to spend that money to make their houses more efficient than Yukoners themselves,” said Premier Sandy Silver. He was among those on hand this morning to walk reporters through some of the changes.

The premier and the governing Liberals ran on a platform promise to return rebates to Yukoners and Yukon businesses before their entry into power in 2016.

As for businesses, who make up more than 46 per cent of fuel use, they will be getting back 51 per cent.

Municipal governments, which account for 2.5 per cent of fuel usage, will get three per cent back while First Nations governments which contribute to 0.5 per cent fuel usage will get one per cent.

A Department of Finance official also explained that part of the reason for individuals getting back more than they paid may be in part because of the number of exemptions.

Katherine White, the deputy minister of Finance, echoed the documents provided.

“The largest part of our economy is the people in this territory, hence at the end of the day, they’re paying the highest levy,” she said.

From July of this year to June of 2020, individuals are to fork over an extra $84 on average thanks to the levy.

Those eligible for a rebate will get their first payment in October and another in April of 2020 – at a payment of $43 each.

Businesses (not including placer and quartz mining operations) will get a refundable income tax credit along with their tax return.

This credit will take into consideration things like equipment that either consumer fossil fuel or displace this consumption.

As well, business can expect the tax credit to include a Super Green Credit that will encourage future investments in clean energy generation and energy conservation equipment.

Documents estimated this green rebate to be about $17.24 for every $1,000 in assets this year, a figure that will grow to $57.46 by 2023.

Equipment rebates, calculated at a similar rate of per $1,000 in assets, sit at $8.62 this year and will balloon to $28.73 by 2023.

First Nations governments will get annual transfers beginning in March of next year, while municipal ones will get annual transfers too, beginning in April 2020.

Documents note that First Nations and municipal governments have different fiscal years, which is why there is that discrepancy of issuing rebates in March or April – payments that will be transferred automatically without any application needed.

Meanwhile, those eligible under the placer and quarts mining operations will apply to YG for a rebate from Jan. 1 of next year for work done throughout the previous fiscal year.

The documents cite that eligible parties will get proportionally more on average than they paid in the tax because groups YG, the feds and tourists will not be getting a rebate.

Come July 2020, rebates will be given out four times a year by the Canada Revenue Agency under the same payment method as a person’s tax return. (That means they will either be issued by cheque or direct deposit.)

More remote areas of the territory, which the documents acknowledged tend to have higher energy needs paired with little access to other transportation options because of limited infrastructure, will be granted a 10 per cent remote supplement.

“A remote supplement will reduce the risk of a disproportionate burden on vulnerable groups within Yukon,” the documents said.

They note that Canada has also promised to give a 10 per cent supplement to those living in remote areas in four provinces that don’t meet the federal backstop or don’t opt into the backstop.

Silver nodded, adding that will be helpful for those in northern areas who require “more fossil fuel for their day to day activities and commuting.”

In the territory, those living outside of Whitehorse city boundaries qualify as remote Yukoners.

As of July this year, there will be a fuel charge rate for gasoline of 4.42 cents (which will rise steadily to just over 11 cents come April 2022).

For light fuel oil, that number will sit at $5.37 cents and increase to $13.41 cents, while propane will be 3.1 cents and rise to $7.74 cents.

Also as of this year, when the levy will be $20 per tonne, a person will pay $84 and get back $86 – a figure expected to grow to $284 by 2023, when they will pay $187.

Meanwhile, a family of four living in Mayo, for example, will be charged $50 per tonne and get back money totalling $1,249 in four instalments in 2023.

White also added that businesses are not expected to have to “put their prices up too much in response to the imposition of the carbon tax because of this rebate.”

Part of that is thanks to exemptions, including the aviation industry, among others.

“One of the reasons we see the distortions is we take the entire electrical grid out... in terms of emissions, it looks kind of wonky,” White said.

That was in reference to YG’s talks with Ottawa (which have been going on since 2016) which led to aviation fuel being exempted as well as light fuel oil for electricity generation in more remote communities.

“So once you take all the exemptions out, that’s how the personal group ends up being so (high).”

Those eligible for rebates are people (including kids), businesses, municipalities, First Nations governments and placer and quartz mining operations.

For children, payments will be made to one parent or guardian much the same way the Yukon Child Benefit is administered.

Filing a tax return in the territory will ensure Yukoners get a rebate through the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA).

Ottawa will collect the revenue from the levies and return it to Yukon via a transfer – that figure will then be deposited into a “discrete fund” that YG will use to rebate its residents. Yukoners can expect their first payment to be made in October of this year.

The unveiling comes after Silver has maintained that the tax revenue collected will be neutral – something the documents also echoed.

While it acknowledged that there will be a small positive impact on the surplus of YG in the initial stages (because some revenues will be given to YG just before some rebates will be distributed), an agreement with the CRA to give out rebates before Ottawa returns revenues to YG means there will eventually be no change to the surplus “as the rebates will be revenue neutral.”

Silver maintained he is confident the levy itself will have long-term positive impacts, pointing to Ottawa’s estimate that in its first year, the levy will result in emission reductions of 6.8 kilotons. That figure is expected to reach 32 kilotons come 2022.

“While I appreciate the concept of kilotons of emissions is difficult to visualize,” Silver said, “the key is the overall emissions in the Yukon will reduce year after year.”

The feds are expected to collect about $7.8 million from the territory – revenue that will be returned to it through a transfer.

As for long-term next steps, the feds will monitor the impact of carbon pricing and the rebate’s effectiveness.

Ottawa and its jurisdictions are to work on an interim report on the pricing in 2020 and another five-year review in 2022.

Asked about the possibility of a change of heart about implementing the tax at the federal level and how that could impact the territory, Silver said that bridge may be crossed if the need arises.

“We will work with any government on any file but that would have to come in the future,” he said, noting that many of the talks done on the file were with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s governing Liberals.

The party is gearing up for this year’s federal election, currently slated for around Oct. 21.

Until then, the territory is encouraging Yukoners to review the framework and submit comments or feedback by Feb. 4 of this year – but it does not expect much to change, White said.

The framework is available on engageyukon.ca, with the tax itself coming into effect July 1.

Comments (42)

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Little to do on Jan 23, 2019 at 1:53 pm

Ever notice JW needs to have the last word. Only child syndrome or just old child....hope he donates his check to all things anonymous rantings...I could use more data to keep up with him.

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David on Jan 23, 2019 at 12:54 pm

Yes, the plan is not perfect, it could definitely use some improvement, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

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Josey Wales on Jan 22, 2019 at 11:05 pm

Hey politico...kinda a bummer when someone uses your tactic eh?
I actually wasn’t presenting any argument, just a general query as to when you may awake?
I was not presenting an argument as I seldom try logic with those that lack it.
Okay so you drink beer, and I suggested naive kool aid...
Rhetorical, I know you are a SJW ECO Warrior and certainly a self acclaimed genius by mere default of those positions held, professed, bloviated, and indoctrinated into.
Enjoy your day, glad those pills help ewe.

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Anonymous on Jan 22, 2019 at 8:59 pm

Are you kidding me? I was told our household would receive a total rebate of 49 whole dollars as a rebate after spending hundreds more in a variety of ways (nickels and dimes that do add up) over every service we require to live. I guess we should be grateful........ For what?

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P. U. Schmeltz on Jan 22, 2019 at 7:02 pm

@ Just Sayin - The white guy will pick up the tab.

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Just Sayin' on Jan 22, 2019 at 1:42 pm

Storyteller Silver.....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-carbon-tax-tombe-economist-rebates-1.4890098
"We made the commitment to Yukoners from the beginning that we will be rebating 100 per cent of that money back to Yukoners and Yukon businesses," Silver recently said.

Hmmmmm. So, to Yukoners, all Yukoners.

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yukon-mayors-carbon-tax-rebate-1.4662065
Silver says sent letters to the mayors informing them municipalities will receive a 100 per cent rebate. Up until then, the territorial government had only committed to returning money collected by the federal carbon tax to Yukoners and Yukon businesses. Silver said First Nations governments can also expect carbon tax revenue to be returned to them.
Ummmm, to Yukoners and Yukon Businesses

And NOW;

Excerpt from the Yukon News -
www.yukon-news.com/news/yukon-government-releases-proposed-carbon-tax-rebate-plan/
In 2019, First Nations would spend $40,000 on the tax, receiving double that as a rebate....Municipalities would be taxed $200,000 in 2019 and rebated $230,000.

Huh? Where is this extra money going to be coming from?

www.whitehorsestar.com/News/the-cheque-s-in-the-mail-yg-unveils-rebates-plan
Those eligible for a rebate will get their first payment in October and another in April of 2020 – at a payment of $43 each.
What is the eligibility to get a cheque? It does not state everyone will be getting a rebate, only those eligible? So, a wealth re-distribution.

I like the fiction stories Silver tells.

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Jay on Jan 22, 2019 at 1:18 pm

Politico, you say, "Polluters have to pay for the damage they are doing."

Then why are the Liberals giving all the big polluters exemptions and making those of us who are just dropping our kids off at school pay more?

Sandy's own staff are saying this is nonsensical.

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@politico on Jan 22, 2019 at 12:53 pm

Uh; no that's your problem. You think those days are over. Quebec is dumping raw sewage into rivers as we speak. The problem is when you have a "solution" that actually has no effect.

This tax doesn't change consumption. It apparently is giving back more money than it takes in. If you want to change consumption you need to go after the root cause.

The root cause isn't not paying enough taxes.

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Politico on Jan 21, 2019 at 8:39 pm

@Josey Wales - You know you win the argument when your opponents only option is to attack you.
The days of endless smokestacks and dumping raw sewage into the rivers are over. Did you read the news today, the water is rising and the rats are abandoning the garbage boats. People are not going to stand for using the world as an open garbage pit any more.
Polluters have to pay for the damage they are doing. Why would anyone think otherwise. If you buy something you have to pay for it's disposal when it's life cycle is over. If you consume lots of resources you pay for it.
And the excuse that our base is so small to make any difference is a non starter. Every bit counts. Reduce, reuse & recycle.
And for your info, I drink beer.
Cheers.

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Arrogant Governments Never Last on Jan 21, 2019 at 3:41 pm

It’s interesting how governments always get so arrogant once they are in power and insist on ramming unwanted ideas down people’s throats. Then after they’re voted out there’s always the internal political soul searching about what went wrong. The only difference with this Trudeau government is they’ve been arrogant and thought they've known better than the Canadian public since day one.

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Its simple folks on Jan 21, 2019 at 9:39 am

Although they are making this tax way more complicated than it needs to be. It’s simple folks. When you tax everything a person buys; food, clothing, heat, lights, transportation. It will not make the economy better. That’s just simple math. Giving a little rebate back to some is just a vote buying gimmick which most likely will change after next fall.

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Josey Wales on Jan 20, 2019 at 5:00 pm

Hey politico...your prerogative to love taxation and Marxist doctrine.
All other that disagree are right wing polluters, really...seriously?
Even a blister pack of midol, which by the way you need ta gobble a few, needs petroleum.

Why are ya so full of hate sis, join us out here in the real world.
Once those pesky whining leftist trolls whom live in a land of delusion get woke? They often but not always get resentful at wasting so so much time chugging the kool aid, some outta spite even vote for wizards like Mr Dress Up.

....politico, do not waste anymore of your time sleeping and chanting.
Get woke, way more fun hanging with critical thinkers, realists and regular everyday folks.

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Al on Jan 19, 2019 at 4:18 pm

@reality check
Hm. I noticed one of the articles you posted was dated early February 2018. That was well before the Court ruled against the pipeline license. Since that time the forecast has been readjusted to impart that "if" the license is eventually granted then it is possible that we could see a recovery in Alberta. The recovery will not occur overnight and may take years to be back the position they were pre-court ruling. We need to keep in mind that Alberta has increased it's provincial debt considerably since the spring of last year as a direct, for the most part, of having to cover the revenue losses from the oil and gas industry. It was the current government in Ottawa the failed, and they and only they gave the green light for the project. Regardless of what ground work the previous government did, or didn't do, they are responsible for the position of the massive job losses in Alberta and the subsequent job losses.

As for BC - I see by your own admission that you have stepped back a tad on their economy being one of the two best. As for Ontario and Quebec, that is a whole different set of arguments. However do note that it was the past Ontario government that drove the debt ratio to the levels it current is at.

Business 101 is not difficult to understand when looking at the ripple affect of a business decision regarding cost. When your variable costs go up then it only makes common sense that in order to recover those increases it gets passed along. Now in a competitive market those costs becomes a decision solely by that business. However when all businesses are faced with the same increases the majority will choose to pass along those costs to the next level in the chain. It may be a staggered increase or one big bang. Irregardless the net effect is the same.

I have a small business. So who do you think is going to bare the burden in the end for the inane policy of the carbon tax? Me? I don't think so.
By the way I don't subscribe to Facebook, but evidently you must or you would not have mentioned it.

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Reality Check on Jan 18, 2019 at 9:09 pm

@AI Sorry to have triggered you like that. You went off on a bit of a tangent talking about how horrible the BC and AB economy are without any evidence to refute what I said. So allow me to back my position up and then you can scream fake news at me, deal?

Business Financial Post: "Alberta leads the 10 provinces" https://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/west-is-best-in-one-of-canadas-most-synchronized-expansions

Conference Board of Canada: https://www.conferenceboard.ca/press/newsrelease/2018/02/28/provincial-economic-growth-still-strong-in-the-west

TD Bank: https://economics.td.com/provincial-economic-forecast

I'm sorry but I trust these sources more than Conservative memes which you are likely parroting off Facebook. The data speaks for itself.
As for debt, Alberta is the least in debt while ON and QUE are the most. BC is middle of the pack.

Yes, I did paraphrase you and not quote you, my bad. But when you talk about "ripple's through our whole economy" and "business attempt to cover their losses" it sure sounds like you are saying the sky is falling and everything is going to be super expensive, which is not the case. If govt was keeping the money and not putting it back in people's hands to spend again you might be right but you seem to have forgotten the rebate portion of the equation.

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Jim on Jan 18, 2019 at 8:36 pm

@reality check, the way I read this article is that light oil to produce electricity will be exempt in remote communities only. Therefore, yes, we in Whitehorse will be paying more for winter electricity. If the government was trying to reduce our use of fossil fuels, just pick a price and raise it at the pumps. This whole rebate thing is like a bad shell game. Make it so confusing that no one understands. Different rebates for where you live, whether your First Nations,municipalities, placer miners, aviation, whether you have kids, whether your business is carbon heavy. Just leave heating fuels alone as NWT did. The monies collected could be used to fund carbon reduction to those that want to do it.

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Pumpkin Grinner on Jan 18, 2019 at 3:16 pm

@politico @arturs - disagreeing with this framework does not a climate change denier make. I certainly support sustainability, alternative energies, pollution reduction etc. I have kids. I don't want our legacy to be environmental disaster. I simply fail to see how this tax and rebate is going to change behaviours in any measurable, meaningful way.

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Al on Jan 18, 2019 at 2:24 pm

@reality check

Yes YOU do need to have a realty check.
Your comment, for one, about Alberta and BC having the two best economies in Canada is about the silliest I have heard. The economy in Alberta is staggering under the weight of the idiots in Ottawa. Oh, have you missed the fact it is due to ineptness by both your pals in the LPC? The debt being incurred in Alberta right now is what is propping up what is left the shreds of their economy.
BC is not a top performer when you consider their debt load - or did you miss that as well? In fact the vast majority of research done to date on their money grab under the guise of climate change as shown a very, very poor outcome. So where did the money go and for what purpose did it serve?

The other side of the equation is that Alberta and BC are small potatoes in the manufacturing sector in this country. The biggest hit will in the industrial sector and WILL have a ripple affect throughout CANADA.

One last thing I didn't use the quote "the sky is falling" - off course it isn't! What a inane comment for you to use as leverage over my comment. If you are going to quote me then please do not use fabricated quotes. It is worse than plagiarism.

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? i'm confused on Jan 18, 2019 at 12:22 pm

The company hauling groceries to the Yukon is going to get charged more, while the heroin addict sitting in a warm area having their drugs checked for free is now going to get a cheque?
And this helps the environment.

wow

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Okay. wait a sec on Jan 18, 2019 at 12:14 pm

Your goal to reduce the carbon effect of the Yukon (which is zilch) was to introduce a tax that forces people to consider their purchases and make more environmentally sound decisions.

The way you've chosen to do this is by giving every man, woman, and child (even if they don't produce waste or use fossil fuels) a cheque.
Which equates to money, which they'll spend on goods, which will increase the amount of waste, unless I'm wrong.

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CJ on Jan 18, 2019 at 12:12 pm

So the cheque is too small, yet it supposedly pays more than the carbon tax, and people are still concluding the tax is too high.

I'm pretty happy when I get my GST cheque, even though it's "small" by many people's standards. Just what are people willing to do? I do want the government to do something, and for people who I assume are comfortable enough, fed, entertained, to complain about this gesture -- I don't get it. You look around the world and then back here, you really have to wonder about all the Canadian complaining. Especially in the Yukon, where those isn't even a territorial tax.

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Ginger Johnson on Jan 18, 2019 at 11:02 am

MEH - I still get an $87 Brian Mulroney G.S.T. rebate cheque every 3 months
This just the Justin Trudeau version of that.

Please help us Obi Max Bernobi - you're our only hope !

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Explain How This Works on Jan 18, 2019 at 11:02 am

I fill up the gas tank of my truck twice a month.

I did the math and the carbon tax is going to increase the cost of a tank of gas for me by around $5. This works out to $120 extra a year. That's just for my truck. We heat our house with oil, and the price of that is going to be more expensive also. Not to mention how the trucking company will likely see their overhead increase and pass that on to the grocery story so the grocery bill is higher as well.

So as I understand it I pay all this extra money into the carbon tax so now I got a little it less cash for a while. Then the government will give me a $40 dollar rebate (way less than what I paid) and somehow I am supposed to have the money to buy an electric car or buy thicker windows for my house? This idea does not hold water.

With mortgages, credit cards, car payments, daycare and everything else I just don't see how making me pay a tax and then giving back these tiny rebates will help anyone do anything.

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Arturs on Jan 18, 2019 at 8:59 am

Only the stupidest of the dummies still believe that climate change is a hoax and can't get behind this globally accepted plan. I don't know what can be done for these people. Facts don't seem to matter. It's just me, me, me.

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Politico on Jan 18, 2019 at 7:42 am

The right wing polluters are out in full swing. They want to pollute the planet in the name of saving a few bucks. Pay the money, cut the pollution, your great grand children will thank you.

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Josey Wales on Jan 18, 2019 at 7:39 am

So team SS says we can pick up a cheque, but only after a shower?
Reads like that to me at least, but I am a mere hillbilly devoid of grammar and identity politics.

This latest shell game aside, team SS and that complete himbo Mr Dress Up have not learned one single thing that would benefit what is left of our country...not a single one!
Having our future in the hands of globalists as those jackbooted fools LPC?
Unfortunately says we have not learned anything of team reds play book.
As it has not changed since the bullsh*t really ramped up in the 1970s.

Still having a hard time with being under SS rule, which with a clic of a boot heel...answers to the Fuhrer .
As you can tell, I ain’t getting on that train and encourage others to dig under the wire to actual freedom on the other side.
Failure to heed that call, is Scheer madness in my hillbilly opinion.

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Max Mack on Jan 18, 2019 at 7:35 am

So sad that the only response to "catastrophic anthropogenic global warming" is taxation. As though this level of taxation will fix an alleged problem that is being driven by the largest economies in the world: China, India, USA. Yukon's contribution to GHG? So small as to be a pinprick. Canada's contribution? Negligible.

Worse, this plan simply shuffles my money around and gives it back to me. Sort of, if you ignore the inflationary increases that are going to affect the price of everything.

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Dave on Jan 18, 2019 at 2:25 am

Hopefully history looks back on this era as being the worst example of a virtue signalling, social engineering government that Canada had or will ever have. The Trudeau Liberal government will be remembered in the ‘What were they thinking’ category, all pie in the sky ideas and no substance.

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jack on Jan 18, 2019 at 1:34 am

Charlatans!

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Max Mack on Jan 17, 2019 at 9:07 pm

If you file a tax return, if you can afford to wait for the "rebate", if you can afford to eat the corresponding rise in the price of everything, if, if, if.

So much smoke and mirrors. Price of everything goes up. Meanwhile, no material change in the Yukon's GHG emissions - but lots of money being moved around and shoved into certain pockets.

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Reality Check on Jan 17, 2019 at 7:00 pm

@Al You won't be paying extra if you have electric heating (even when generators are required, the utility is exempted). You also won't pay more for hydro since hydro does not burn fossil fuels. As for your 'sky is falling' comment about ripple effect throughout the economy I encourage you to look at Alberta and BC, both of which have a carbon tax and have the best 2 economies in Canada.

@Groucho You don't seem to understand how any of this works. If you invested in your home and vehicle to reduce the amount of carbon you consume, then you will absolutely save more money. If your neighbor lives in a similar house and drives a similar car without taking the steps you did, he will pay more to drive and heat his house therefore paying a lot more carbon tax. It's that simple. Your supposed investments will be well worthwhile. Though I doubt your story is true anyway. Sounds like you are just trying to spew political venom at the liberals and score political points rather than having an honest discussion.

@Jay - No one is claiming you could or should do any retrofits with $43. The point is that all things being equal and you were already going to make a purchase, you might now factor in fuel efficiency more than you would have otherwise. Also you are not just paying money to be paid back later. This is just an average. For many people who bike, use the bus, live in a condo or apartment, they will pay next to nothing, so it will be a profit to them. On the other hand, if you drive the biggest truck you could buy and live in a huge house, you will likely pay a lot more, which is an incentive for you to find ways to reduce your fuel consumption.
The beauty of the price on carbon is that it allows you to figure out how you should reduce your emissions whereas heavy regulations like say banning diesel vehicles, putting hard caps on industry or other draconian measures would be much more expensive for everyone including governments. Of course, if you are one of the people who think Yukoners simply shouldn't do their part or think climate change is a big conspiracy to steal your money, then this conversation is pointless.

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Juniper Jackson on Jan 17, 2019 at 6:00 pm

This is the dumbest plan I ever heard of.. Ontario, New Brunswick, Manitoba and
Saskatchewan..now BC have all signed on the the court challenging the legality of this tax. Yup.. BC too.. I can only hope that it goes to court and the provinces win before the tax hits us. Where did Silver get these numbers? Just estimates? And businesses will not have to put their prices up too much because of exemptions to airplane fuel? Not to food though.. Trudeau has picked up 5 guilty charges of ethical wrong doing, (taking bribes).. The Liberal government has sent so much money out of the country that major maintenance to our infrastructure system have had to be delayed to 2020..no money for parks, roads, hospitals, even airport maintenance... There are at least 375 billion dollar reasons to shy away from the Liberal party, but in the territory and Federally.
Off topic, but one of my personal peeves is that Trudeau let 3 Canadian tourist get their heads cut off in the Phillipines, (John Ridsdel, Kjartan Sekkingstad and Robert Hall) because, "we don't pay off terrorists" and gave over 40 millions to terrorists in Canada. https://globalnews.ca/news/3826253/ottawa-pays-settlement-of-31-25m-to-3-men-falsely-imprisoned-in-syria/ (and of course, the famous Khadr).
Everyone needs to take a really good look at who is running our country.. this carbon BC Silver is spouting.. and he's running the Territory? Take a good look.

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My Opinion on Jan 17, 2019 at 5:58 pm

This is such a LIE people. This tax is put on at all levels and multiplies as it goes through the layers.

A steel manufacturer smelts steel, pays huge carbon tax. Has no other option then to pass it on to to its customers. The car manufacturer buys the steel passes the increase on to their customers, but not only the steel, also the Plastics, fabrics, glass, heating transportation of all the raw materials to them. Now the carbon tax that the Auto Haulers pay at the pump as they bring it to the dealer. Next the dealer has to heat his business supply lubricants and fuels. Employees of these businesses now need more money driving wages up that in turn are passed on to you.

This is totally out of control and will break our country and drive inflation like nothing we have seen before. It effects every product we buy even our food. From the growing of it to the fertilizers to transportation.
Trudeau must go. When his father was in Power he drove inflation so high my mortgage was 21.75 percent. They are not Liberals they are Communists.

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Charlie's Aunt on Jan 17, 2019 at 5:35 pm

Guess I'm not the only one asking "& the point of all this is?" How is this going to reduce emissions? 'The Feds will monitor the impact of carbon pricing and the rebate’s effectiveness.' Save the time & effort boys, most of us on this blog already have the answer for you! Love this bit: 'businesses are not expected to have to “put their prices up too much in response to the imposition of the carbon tax because of this rebate."'
What are they sniffing? I expect a weekly grocery bill to increase by $43 by time stuff is trucked here. Revenue neutral? - how much has already been spent on dreaming this nonsense up? Hopefully it won't be an issue in 2020 & beyond; October should be a magic month for all.

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Greg H on Jan 17, 2019 at 5:12 pm

Step 1: government taxes us and takes our money

Step 2: government gives us back our money

Step 3: ?

Step 4: government somehow eliminates climate change

Give your head a shake Sandy and actually do something about climate change instead of wasting everyone's time by playing a shell game with our $$$

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Gringo on Jan 17, 2019 at 4:58 pm

Sandy Silver just because you are locally a liberal doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything the bone heads in Ottawa say. You were elected to represent Yukoners and their best interests not those living in ivory towers and trust fund babies. Figure it out cause your time is about over.

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Pumpkin Grinner on Jan 17, 2019 at 4:07 pm

This is absurd! How on earth is taking our money, shuffling it through the serpentine channels of the government, only to (hopefully!) return to us, going to reduce emissions?
Premier et al, let's be honest. The two largest levels of government so graciously declining a rebate is nothing to brag about. It's still taxpayer money!

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Jay on Jan 17, 2019 at 3:56 pm

How much of a retrofit am I going to be able to afford with a $43 cheque? Do the Libs even think this stuff through? Sounds like they are just taking my money for 3 months then sending it back and in the meantime I will be without money for that period of time. What the heck is the point of that? This entire thing makes no sense.

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North_of_60 on Jan 17, 2019 at 3:56 pm

That means you will get a TrudieTax rebate on the first $10 you spend in a day, for everything after that you pay the full tax. So much for their 'revenue neutral' myth.
In October we get the chance to tell the LIB where to stick it.

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Groucho d'North on Jan 17, 2019 at 3:51 pm

So all the thousands of capital investments I have made to my home and vehicles to reduce my carbon footprint were for naught. To be clear, I reduced my carbon diet to save money on fuel costs rather than to save the world. Now I will be paying more money because Trudeau and his counterparts here in the Yukon do not want to acknowledge individual fuel consumption behavior and applied a one size fits all (except those who are exempted like miners and airlines) tax to reap in money that will get diverted to buy votes ahead of the October election.
The dirty polluters are still belching out carbon but they now pay a tax which makes things all better for this deaf and dumb government. The election can't come fast enough.

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John on Jan 17, 2019 at 3:42 pm

So tax us then pay us back slightly more, so efficient.

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Al on Jan 17, 2019 at 3:20 pm

Ha, Ha, Ha...
Come on stop tell us the white lies of being revenue neutral. These so called rebates (or whatever you wish to call them) will hardly cover the real costs to consumers. We must remember the only real visible cost is at the pump, heating, and hydro.

Oh, but lest we forget, then there is the ripple affect throughout the whole economy on everything we purchase. Every step through process it will get added on as business attempt to recover their losses - and guess what: "we get to pay the final tab!"
Silver your math sucks - and oh yes, so too does the carbon tax and the those that stand behind it.

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Mark on Jan 17, 2019 at 3:18 pm

43 dollar cheque’s. Don’t too go wild with that Yukon!! #LibsNeedToGo

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