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CRITICS SQUARE UP TO ROUNDABOUT – Some of the citizen reaction to a potential roundabout constructed at Alaska Highway-Robert Service Way-Hamilton Boulevard has not been kind, but the Yukon government says it would enhance safety. Sketch courtesy GOVERNMENT OF YUKON

Sprawling roundabout may usurp lights

A tentative proposal to build a massive roundabout on the Alaska Highway where it meets Robert Service Way and Hamilton Boulevard is being panned on social media.

By Tim Giilck on December 17, 2021

A tentative proposal to build a massive roundabout on the Alaska Highway where it meets Robert Service Way and Hamilton Boulevard is being panned on social media.

According to the Yukon government website “in summer 2022, we plan to continue safety improvements between Philmar RV and the Whitehorse weigh scales. Construction for this project will be phased over several years. Improvements will include:

• completion of a multi-purpose trail;

• safer accesses on and off the highway;

• a fish-friendly creek crossing;

• an improved intersection at Robert Service Way;

• frontage roads to connect businesses and provide a safe school bus transfer station; and

• additional lanes for safe turning and travel.

“The project could also include a roundabout.”

The website then goes on to explain the rationale for replacing the traffic lights with a roundabout:

• the Robert Service Way intersection has high collision data;

• the majority of collisions here are related to left turns and speed;

• roundabouts reduce points for vehicle conflict and high-impact collisions; and

• roundabouts help keep traffic flowing, but at reduced speeds.

Brian Crist, the government’s director of transportation and engineering for the project, said today the roundabout is just one part of the project, and it’s far from being a finalized component.

A roundabout does offer certain advantages, including reducing the potential for so-called “T-bone accidents” and is more environmentally friendly. It has to pass through a thorough safety analysis before the government will commit to it.

Crist said the busy, high-speed intersection sees a high collision rate, mostly related to left-hand turns in all directions.

“The traffic lights are our default design,” he said. “But roundabouts can work very positively in these situations.

“They are also better for pedestrians and cyclists. The concept is going through an options analysis, with safety being the primary consideration.

“At the moment, we are just evaluating it. Functionality will be the key consideration.”

Roundabouts also eliminate engine idling at red lights, making them environmentally friendly.

The City of Whitehorse is being consulted as well, since it considers the intersection to be part of an arterial municipal road.

The Yukon government holds the final say, since highways are more important than municipal roads, Crist noted.

The highway upgrades are to be introduced over a three-year period, he said.

For 2022, the focus will be on the area south of the airport – where work stopped this year – to just south of the weigh scales.

Eventually, the upgrades will finish near the Yamaha dealer beyond Squatters’ Road, Crist said.

“The basis through all of the segments is safety,” he said.

The government has received a lot of input from residents in the area, including through an open house in September, and has made some adjustments, Crist said.

The comments on social media, however, are scathing.

“A roundabout on a major throughway and dangerous goods route?” one person wrote.

“I would love to see a rail trailer with a D-11 on it attempt to navigate a merry-go-round. This may well be the stupidest thing I’ve heard this year. Oops, still two weeks left – I hope I didn’t jinx us all.”

Another person wrote: “A traffic circle on the highway? The lights seem to work really well now that there’s been advance green added. This is ridiculous.”

Several people advocated for the idea to be scrapped in favour of an overpass being constructed.

“Why is this place so afraid of putting in an overpass?” was one comment.

“This is just stupid, stupid and even more stupid. It seems whoever is designing these intersections has roundabout stuck in their brain.

“A roundabout on a major highway would be extremely dangerous, especially for the larger vehicles. I can just picture turned-over semis as an everyday occurrence. What is the problem with using overpasses?” another asked.

One person was particularly harsh in her evaluation.

“Oh, wow, I’m lost for words how stupid this is. Like, does someone actually get paid to think this up?”

Comments (62)

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DA on Dec 23, 2021 at 2:22 pm

Carl, traffic was lighter in 1974. Oh, and in 1700 there was nothing but trees and forest at that intersection.

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Oya on Dec 23, 2021 at 1:45 pm

Roundabouts are the best thing next to sliced bread. I've been many places in the world that rely extensively on roundabouts and do not see any issues with them. On the highways where big trucks travel; in small residential areas; in major tourist attractions.
While this specific intersection would be GREATLY improved with a simple left-turn advance arrow (heading both ways on the highway), I am personally in favour of roundabouts anywhere and everywhere.

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Groucho d'North on Dec 23, 2021 at 11:30 am

I am wondering if this roundabout proposal is nothing more than a decoy for the public to be all twisted up about. This tactic normally means there are other things in the works the public may be concerned about if they were known.
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."
As to why overpasses are a non starter - depressed people have been known to jump off of them.

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Carl on Dec 22, 2021 at 10:14 pm

C'mon people. In 1974 the top of the Two Mile Hill had a traffic circle. It worked really well. And don't give me any crap about traffic being lighter.

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martin on Dec 22, 2021 at 8:33 pm

I hope these comments count as "YG consulting the public" and at glance it shows as overwhelmly the public is against it.

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Nathan Living on Dec 22, 2021 at 4:34 pm

I am concerned that my driving will be too cautious in the roundabout and those big black trucks will tailgate me and honk and give me the finger.

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Lewes Hamilton on Dec 21, 2021 at 4:07 pm

@Northerner: "sitting endlessly "? Similar to our "full loaded" buses?

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Wilf Carter on Dec 21, 2021 at 1:40 pm

This has been tried on main highways before it had more accidents because mainly trucks in winter and rain storms.

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Charlie's Aunt on Dec 20, 2021 at 6:50 pm

The diagram has a right turn lane for traffic coming down Hamilton, but there is no right turn lane for traffic coming up S. Access. Do the designers think no-one from Riverdale would want to access the new DQ when it opens or take that route to airport?
@ Apex, you are correct, I have seen it all at roundabout you mention and please don't mention the concept of a zipper merge; the behavior of traffic turning right from 2 Mile Hill and that of traffic already on Highway shows how well that isn't understood.

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Guncache on Dec 20, 2021 at 6:05 pm

A couple of people have commented that the Alaska Highway at mile zero has a roundabout and that there are no issues for commercial traffic. There is no issue because there is a bypass in Dawson Creek where commercial traffic circumvents the roundabout

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Northerner on Dec 20, 2021 at 5:52 pm

For gawd's sake...some of you people need to get out more.
There are VERY busy traffic circles all over the world. People just need to learn how to use them as part of learning how to drive. It can be hairy at first, but the key word here is "education".

The traffic keeps flowing with no sitting endlessly at lights (as long as the appropriate size is built).
Some places even have huge 4-way stops that work well when used properly. Again: "education " is the key.

It has nothing to do with either courtesy or aggression. Surely Yukoners are bright enough to use one properly? You wouldn't pass a driving test in a lot of countries if you couldn't.

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Naturelover on Dec 20, 2021 at 5:02 pm

Instead of roundabouts in Whitehorse, why not make all roads and highways, one way streets going south?

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Lewes Hamilton on Dec 20, 2021 at 4:27 pm

I'd support a S. Access-Hamilton Extension overpass on top of Alaska Hwys; leaving the Alsaka Hwy geometry as is. It can't be that expensive, couple of pre-tensile concrete railings for a deck, plus the gravel pit is nearby.

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martin on Dec 20, 2021 at 3:36 pm

@Foothills - YG shouldn't have to worry; Big Rigs will drive right over it ....... in a straight line as it should be done.

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Apex Parasite on Dec 20, 2021 at 2:58 pm

I'm not against a traffic circle as proposed but can't help but wonder is average joe is capable of using one properly after witnessing too many times the chronic confusion and basically rudeness observed at the Whistlebend / Mountainview circle. People from Porter Creek do not take advantage of obvious openings and WB traffic refuses to let people in and those that do are frustrated by those that won't make a move. It's entertaining but only in a face palming way. "For gawd sake! Go already!!". I recently witnessed a Mexican standoff between someone trying to let someone in and that person refusing to believe it was true....both sides just sitting there as traffic backs up from both directions. It's not rocket surgery.

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BRD on Dec 20, 2021 at 12:48 pm

RCMP/COW and Bylaw should have looooooooooooooong ago implemented an educational campaign.

The concept of merging and roundabouts predates many Yukoners getting a license and there is a LOT of confusion on how they work but it is really simple, there are only 2 rules:

1) YIELD to traffic in the circle when entering
2) SIGNAL OUT

I've seen people come to dead stops in the roundabouts to wave people in. NO!
I've seen people come to a dead stop at the yield sign when there is no traffic. NO!
I've seen people signal IN to a roundabout. NO!

Enforcement can pick a couple nice sunny days and pull over violators and give them an info sheet maybe even hand out a couple tickets to repeat offenders (gasp!) and eventually the message will get out.

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John on Dec 20, 2021 at 10:51 am

Hm, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. As it is, it works just fine. We just spent a crap load of money reconstructing this intersection a couple of years back. I would hate to see the contractor's work done for 100k !

Vern is right 100%.

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Jeff Bikaboom on Dec 20, 2021 at 10:49 am

Engineers are experts in these things, and there are countless examples of similar intersections that can be used to gauge the best solution. There is no reason for any public consultation. Make it safe and people can drive through whatever you come up with without there lives being altered. I can think of some more pertinent matters that should be openly discussed with the public. Who even uses facebook other than seniors and people that complain incessantly?

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Scott Batson on Dec 20, 2021 at 9:08 am

Modern roundabouts are not being removed in the lower 48 except when replaced by overcrossings.
Modern roundabouts handle big rigs just fine, even oversized loads, the internet has lots of videos.
Red light cameras only work for those that obey the law and who are not drunk. The safety of roundabouts is far superior to signal controlled intersections.
Single-lane modern roundabouts (50-120 feet in diameter) can handle intersections that serve up to 20,000 vehicles per day with peak-hour flows between 2,000 and 2,500 vehicles per hour. Two- and three-lane modern roundabouts (120-220 feet in diameter) can serve up to 60,000 vehicles per day and handle 2,500 to 5,500 vehicles per hour. Right-turn slip lanes can increase those numbers if needed (just like for signal intersections). Much depends on how balanced the entries are, but only in determining how many lanes are needed for each movement – just like at a signal-controlled intersection, only proven safer.

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Vern Schlimbesser on Dec 20, 2021 at 6:38 am

A traffic circle would probably work here 90% of the day, but, during the morning and afternoon rush to get downtown there will be problems. Can we mitigate those realities.
An accident or mishap in a circle would possibly shut it down. It is one of only two 'escape' routes for all of downtown and Riverdale. No one seems to be including this in the planning. On that note, if (when), there is a fire emergency at the "new battery" the airport will be closed, as will this route. (And again on that note, the first time we have a significant aircraft accident it will land on this battery, or on the new City facility.) Seems current planners are betting against any accidents?
It's always the unintended consequences that send us back to repeat or repair our developments every few years.

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Foothills on Dec 19, 2021 at 10:26 pm

If a circle is decided upon, don't forget to design it to accommodate those extra long pipeline trucks just in case.

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CJ2 on Dec 19, 2021 at 6:15 pm

People seem to think it's only Yukon drivers who would be using a roundabout in this location, and it all depends on our "education" on how to use them.

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covidbc on Dec 19, 2021 at 4:24 pm

An overpass would cost $100,000,000,
a roundabout would cost $100,000.
A better designed intersection, priceless.

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Michael Greer on Dec 19, 2021 at 9:14 am

To properly slow cars on entry, which will increase compliance and circulation capacity, the splitter islands should be designed to be longer and provide greater deflection (I.e., create an S-curve with curbs to slow cars).

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Camile Boily on Dec 19, 2021 at 5:16 am

Fond memories of the 'Circle Cafe' as well as the 'Welcome to Whitehorse' wooden triangle.

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Barrett Horne on Dec 18, 2021 at 5:57 pm

For a truly mind-boggling roundabout, this is the one to experience. I have used it and it works incredibly well. In 50+ years there have only been 17 major accidents--an incredibly small number given the massive amount of traffic that moves through this very busy set of intersections. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OGvj7GZSIo

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Barrett Horne on Dec 18, 2021 at 5:49 pm

A roundabout is by far and away the most effective, safest, and 'greenest' way of handling the traffic at the Robert Service Way and Alaskan Highway intersection. I am fully in favour and can think of no downsides if it is well-designed. That said, many Yukon drivers seem clueless about roundabout use, slowing to a stop before entering even when there is no traffic within the roundabout. Merging appears to be a foreign concept to many Yukon drivers. But lives would be saved with the proposed roundabout, no question.

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Lex on Dec 18, 2021 at 11:48 am

This round-about will only work effectively if it is a 2-3 lane roundabout because of the big trucks. It will not work if it is a single lane.

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Davis on Dec 18, 2021 at 11:07 am

I'd support more roundabouts, in my experience they seem much safer against deadly accidents and they seem to usually speed up traffic flow as well if they're done right. They also require virtually no operation and maintenance costs, unlike lights, which is another bonus.

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Frank on Dec 18, 2021 at 10:58 am

Roundabout is a good idea, if it is carefully Engineered for Heavy Transport!!! and the public is educated on proper use of it, scenes I have seen on the ones in existence in town show many drivers do not know how to use one and or don't care to learn. Was one on Two Mile for years and Dawson creek has one and Transport trucks use it al the time.

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David Griffiths on Dec 18, 2021 at 9:22 am

Totally in favour of a roundabout.

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Groucho d'North on Dec 18, 2021 at 8:23 am

Call up the Mounties and ask how long it will require the highway to be closed when they will need to investigate a collision.
This appears to me to be lazy engineering to solve an easy problem. Whomever programs the traffic lights may need a refresher course before we go down the roundabout rabbithole.

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Nathan Living on Dec 18, 2021 at 7:48 am

It may work but is complicated by our aggressive and chronically impaired drivers.

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caroline st-julien on Dec 18, 2021 at 6:39 am

As a driver in town I've noticed a lot of people don't know how to use them ....What happens if you get someone stopped at the roundabout waiting for the circle to be clear of vehicles before advancing? Most don't put signals when leaving the roundabout and that makes it dangerous, people will get impatient..i've had one person in front of me in the roundabout just slap the breaks on to let someone in...they are unaware of the rules.

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unReal on Dec 18, 2021 at 6:20 am

The biggest problem I see with this possible roundabout, is how it will affect tractor trailers on the Alaska Highway who usually coast to a red light and don't have to come to a full stop. Imagine a loaded tractor trailer having to wait to get into the circle to keep going during busy hours? It will cause a back-up on the A.H. Trucks leaving the weigh-scales have their own lane so they can get up to speed.

Those who complain about the line of sight have little patience (me too sometimes!) and try to sneak a left turn. Yes, the left turn is ill conceived by the original designers. Ditto on two mile hill. Remember when they wanted to put up traffic lights at the intersection of two-mile hill and Industrial Road?

If accidents are the rational behind this, then they should also put up a roundabout across from Yukon Honda as the line of site to go north (turn right) from Chilkoot Way is misaligned line of sight. etc...

Change for the sake of change? Sometimes it's best to leave well alone!

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Pierre on Dec 18, 2021 at 6:10 am

If it’s done with highway commerical traffic it will be the best thing. Just an information tidbit…mile one of the Alaska Highway is a round about.

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Think about it on Dec 18, 2021 at 5:52 am

Yes, I certainly agree with the majority that roundabouts are safer and more commute efficient. Lights are old school time wasters where many drivers mistake, ignore or daydream their way into accidents with them.

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Jack on Dec 18, 2021 at 5:17 am

Sooner or later it's going to have to be a fly-over with on/off ramps and Hamilton Blvd passing under the highway. Why doesn't the city just do it now instead of this cheepo round point?

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Tagish resident on Dec 18, 2021 at 4:47 am

How about resurrecting the tracks from Whitehorse to Wolf Creek and have a commuter line running between the two areas. Infrastructure is there, just have to put the wheels in motion.

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GusM on Dec 17, 2021 at 8:04 pm

No expensive traffic circle is needed if left turn arrows are added for turning off the Alcan onto HB or RSW.
A great deal of the traffic congestion throughout Whitehorse is due to the lack of left turn arrows at many busy intersections.
Perhaps this new Mayor & Council will be smarter than all the previous ones regarding the need for left-turn arrows at all major intersections.

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Donna Clayson on Dec 17, 2021 at 7:30 pm

Install red light cameras and fine those that run red lights. Cheaper and effective in the southern cities.

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Guncache on Dec 17, 2021 at 7:30 pm

Crist says it has a high collision rate. I worked at the weigh scale for 17 years and only recall a couple of accidents. There are far more at the top of 2 mile hill. A roundabout on a major highway. If this is the best decision an engineer can make then I to could be an engineer. Let's watch big equipment loads going through. N60 fuel trucks with 9 axles or the ore trucks with 10 axles going through there EVERY day. Let's not forget the float planes going through in the fall to the airport.

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D. Stephen Robertson on Dec 17, 2021 at 7:09 pm

Many years ago, maybe until 1970-1975, there was a roundabout at the top of Two Mile Hill. It was scrapped, I was told, because it was too small for the large transport trucks. Is it just me, or does city planning resemble fashion in that we just keep recycling the same ideas over and over every 10, 20, to 30 years? A real traffic circle as Alberta makes them would be good. A small median traffic circle like at 6th and Black would be a disaster.

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CJ2 on Dec 17, 2021 at 6:58 pm

That intersection isn't a good place for experiments. I don't mind roundabouts, but if they go ahead with this, they need to be completely sure that it's safe. There's a problem there with seeing oncoming traffic when a vehicle is in the turning lane. They've let that go for years. We don't need a new process that trips up vehicles of all kinds driving at highway speed. I don't think roundabouts on this scale have been tried in Whitehorse.

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John on Dec 17, 2021 at 6:28 pm

Just fix the sight lines, you can not see anything when in the turning lane. Dedicated partitioned turn lanes with an advance turn would fix everything.

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Morris on Dec 17, 2021 at 6:03 pm

Install red light cameras. That will solve the problems with the highway intersections. In fact, install them at all high-traffic intersections.
The RCMP can’t or won’t enforce the traffic laws here, so red light cameras would do the job for them.

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drum on Dec 17, 2021 at 5:37 pm

We have a few roundabouts and drivers cannot figure out how to use them. Lights on the other hand give clear instructions. Leave it alone or do we have to give the City planning people something to do? We used to have a roundabout in EXACTLY THE SAME SPOT MANY YEARS AGO AND WE TOOK IT OUT AND PUT IN TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
It is not broke - why are we trying to fix it!!!!!!!!!

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No opinion on Dec 17, 2021 at 5:33 pm

Yukoners in their Roundabouts, lol. The Alaska highway not yet a four lane highway - get with the times. When will there be stores along the Alaska highway ?

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Charlie's Aunt on Dec 17, 2021 at 4:50 pm

Roundabouts do work if designed and used correctly. Unfortunately, in this town, we have a bunch of stupid traffic circles, designed as doughnuts. There are many efficient roundabouts in Europe and UK on major transport routes. Some have 4 lanes and you may need to circle twice to merge across into your correct exit lane. The one on Mountain View could easily have 2 lanes, but before embarking on that in Whitehorse, people need to learn how to merge and use a roundabout correctly; don't hold your breath on that happening.

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martin on Dec 17, 2021 at 4:50 pm

HWYs & PW very seldom design anything, but they tell the consultants what they want, with little room for input. Too bad that Consultants are NOT given freedom to design a proper intersection; therefore this is what we get.

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Anie on Dec 17, 2021 at 4:49 pm

Why not do what sensible communities have done for decades - dedicated lanes for left turns, with left turns permitted only on advance green. Simple

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Geoff Capp on Dec 17, 2021 at 4:30 pm

I agree that roll-overs are a hazard, even if it would be the driver's fault for not obeying the speed limit. A circle makes no sense out in the boonies where highway speeds are expected by drivers.

The traffic circle at the top of Two Mile Hill was apparently known for accidents after it was initially built, and traffic levels eventually dictated its removal circa 1970... and that circle was HUGE!! - close to 100 metres in diameter! The drawing for this article shows a very small circle!

I would suggest a diamond interchange with the Alaska Highway on the flyover and Service/Hamilton beneath.
Maybe even a "diverging diamond" interchange where traffic drives on the left side beneath the bridge so that NONE of the left turns involve crossing a lane of traffic, and the green light alternate between eastbound and westbound traffic.

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Lost In the Yukon on Dec 17, 2021 at 4:25 pm

You have to give the City Planners a break … they are kinda like the Maytag repair person. Surely they have to get bored, sitting around all day trying to dream up a project to justify their salaries.

How about another set of lights down by Riverside groceries … I’m sure they can fit another one in … and then submit it to Guinness.
Actually, maybe that’s the problem. Too much Guinness in the staff room fridge.

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Richard Smith on Dec 17, 2021 at 4:20 pm

A roundabout on two busy roads is a really bad idea.
By experience, I found during busy times it considerably slows traffic like an intersection losing hydro. Everyone waits cautiously for the other driver to make a move.
When the white lines are obscured by snow etc. deciding what lane we are supposed to be on becomes very dangerous.
When a roundabout was installed near us on two busy roads, 3 were killed within 6 weeks on top of numerous smaller accidents.
I have followed long trucks running over the curbs numerous times.
To make a simple left turn we must travel 3/4 of the way around it.
They are more suited for lesser traffic areas and warmer climates.

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South on Dec 17, 2021 at 4:09 pm

Yes, I disagree with that solution. Down south ALL roundabouts are being taken away due to more accidents with leaving the roundabouts for incorrect turns to lanes and traffic congestion, large load trailers turns etc. Those with big units and semi trailer trucks will really work this out well. Especially winter travel.
Yukon is so behind. Another waste of money - too many workers earning big salaries going nowhere!

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Social media comments? on Dec 17, 2021 at 3:55 pm

Hopefully decision-making doesn't rely on social media experts and know-it-alls, or we're all doomed.

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Resident on Dec 17, 2021 at 3:09 pm

If any spot needs a roundabout, it's Falcon and Hamilton near the start of the extension (T intersection). The morning traffic is heavy with left turns and you cannot see traffic coming up the hill easily. Include large trucks pulling up on your right to merge onto the extension and you have people making that left blind.

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yukongirl on Dec 17, 2021 at 2:53 pm

If people actually were courteous and used the roundabouts as they as supposed to be instead of not acknowledging who has right of way, this might work. Having waited 10 plus minutes at the one on Mountainview and Whistlebend, I think this would be extremely frustrating.

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bonanzajoe on Dec 17, 2021 at 2:43 pm

A roundabout should have been done on the Robert Service Rd. years ago. There needs to be one on the 2 mile hill and Alaska highway as well.

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Matthew on Dec 17, 2021 at 2:41 pm

Leave it alone, just time the lights better..

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Safer and quicker on Dec 17, 2021 at 2:28 pm

Against the supposed tide, I'm in favour of a roundabout. I've narrowly missed wrecks a few times related to left turns at that intersection, with views of oncoming traffic obscured for left-turners by the opposing left-hand turn queue. I also prefer a roundabout's flow to idling at a red light.

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Yukoner on Dec 17, 2021 at 2:26 pm

A story based about Facebook comments.. surely efforts could be better spent.

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