Sports complex boosters planning a protest
Coun. Dave Stockdale says
Coun. Dave Stockdale says he will not bring back the zoning bylaw council defeated Monday which would have enabled a proposed outdoor sports complex in Whistle Bend to proceed.
Stockdale had planned to bring back the bylaw for reconsideration, but after speaking with Mayor Dan Curtis this morning, says he will not do so after all.
At the same time, supporters of the facility are preparing to gather outside city hall late Thursday afternoon to a protest the defeat.
Council was tied 3-3 on the vote that would have zoned a 4.2-hectare section of land near Casca Boulevard and Whistle Bend Way for the first phase of the sports complex being proposed by the Yukon government. A tie vote by council is automatically defeated.
The first phase would have included two soccer fields and a track facility built to international competition standards.
Council had initially passed an amendment, with a 4-2 vote, to the zoning bylaw changing the boundaries so that only the site for the first phase had the rezoning for the sports centre with another piece to be set aside as Future Planning, which could be rezoned down the road as further pieces of the facility are developed.
Curtis, who attended Monday’s meeting by conference call, had voted for the initial amendment when it came time for the main motion on second reading of the rezoning.
However, he voted against it, along with deputy mayor Mike Gladish and Coun. Betty Irwin.
Stockdale took issue with the result in an emotional outburst. He then stormed out of the meeting as Gladish, the chair, asked for his removal from council chambers.
On Tuesday afternoon, Stockdale stated his belief that Curtis, who called from home because he was ill – may not have voted the way he had intended.
“I just think it was a mistake,” Stockdale said then.
In the past, he noted, tie votes that have seen matters defeated – in one case, the city budget – have been successfully brought back to council chambers and the decision changed.
After speaking with the mayor this morning though, Stockdale said shortly before noon he doesn’t believe the vote would change any if he brought it back.
He commented, though, he does believe the facility will become part of the recreational options in the city in the future.
“I think it will come to pass,” he said.
In an interview this morning, Curtis stood by his vote though he too contemplated the possibility of the facility down the road.
“I was saying, ‘not right now,’” he explained of his vote.
Though he favoured the new boundaries and therefore voted in favour of the amendment, he said he doesn’t think that now is the time to actually move ahead with a major sporting facility.
Rather, he said if the proposal comes back in a year or even later, when there is greater support from the overall community or a school has been built next to it as identified in the zoning, he would like to see the zoning come forward as it was amended Monday night.
Curtis acknowledged the facility has the support of a very passionate group, but it’s his job on council to represent the wider interests of the overall community.
“We’ve got to take care of the taxpayers and the taxpayer-base,” Curtis said.
The Yukon government is planning to build the estimated $8-million facility. It is being led and proposed to be run by the Yukon Outdoor Sports Complex Association, a group made up of a representatives from a number of sporting organizations.
Following Monday’s vote, Community Services Minister Currie Dixon expressed his disappointment, noting that he and Curtis had worked together to come up with the compromise on the boundaries.
Today, Curtis took issue with Dixon stating they had “negotiated” the compromise, arguing as mayor, he is only one vote on council and doesn’t negotiate anything on his own.
Rather, Curtis again emphasized, the compromise on the zoning boundary is something he would rather see come forward when there is greater demand for the facility.
The mayor also commented that the territory has addressed a number of concerns expressed by council, but he continues to worry about the potential that the city could eventually be asked to operate the facility.
As the land owner, the territory indicated it would be responsible for any shortfalls should the operational model not work.
Pointing to past situations with other recreational facilities around the city, Curtis argued one line in a letter from the territory is not enough to provide the assurance he needs on it.
Informed of the protest planned for 4 p.m. Thursday outside city hall, Curtis said everyone has a right to gather and have their voices heard.
The event details and discussion are available on Facebook under the event called Sports Complex Protest.
As of late this morning, 27 people had indicated they plan to attend, with another 13 listing themselves as a “maybe” attending.
See related story, councillor’s commentary.
Comments (25)
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BNR on May 5, 2015 at 11:46 am
You wear the hat you own it. I am sorry you can't handle the truth.
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ProScience Greenie on May 3, 2015 at 10:45 am
While we're at it we should also consider hiring some world class soccer coaches, trainers and sports medical experts to come to the Yukon to better train our young soccer players. With Whistlebend still nearly empty we could build some nice condos and provide housing for these experts. It would only be a few more million dollars to do that. It would surely be money well spent.
Those of you saying that these young soccer players should be out on our existing fields with a rake and shovel must be big fans of countries that have no child labour laws. How mean to expect these future elite soccer players to do manual labour outdoors where they would have to deal with mosquitoes, wild gophers and other dangers.
Please everybody, use your hearts and think about our precious youth in soccer. They are the future of the Yukon and need all the support we can give them, both emotionally and financially. Get out to these protests and have your voice heard and remember the Yukon motto - Squeaky wheels get the grease!
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Smurf Small man unreasonable rightest facts on May 3, 2015 at 8:47 am
Smurf you sound so rightest and unreasonable in your facts.
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Groucho d'North on May 2, 2015 at 2:35 pm
I'd think I'd be more supportive if they were planning a fund raiser rather than a protest.
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Smurf on May 2, 2015 at 10:58 am
@ProScience Greenie: "What do you anti-children folks think Whitehorse is, some kind of remote wilderness city or something?"
I'm not anti-children but Whitehorse is exactly that:
A small town in the middle of nowhere, roughly 15 hours away from the next bigger Canadian city.
We don't have the money and we don't have the real needs for some kind of southern or eastern inspired projects.
We're not even able to maintain our basic infrastructure without blowing the budget every year.
Who at the end will pay for all those projects and the following costs like our "city castle" or the soccer fields? The taxpayer!
Call it property taxes or utilities or probably water meters in the future - they'll find a way to get their money!
Then we'll have rent increases and/or people moving away and we'll get more holes in the budget...
There is a big difference between "wants" and "needs" and it seems the city, YTG and all the "special interest groups" are all about the "wants" - not the real "needs"!
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Same old anti development mouth pieces on May 2, 2015 at 7:12 am
Same old anti development mouthpieces takes the Yukon back into 1950, when the COW was incorp. We need a retirement home for the anti development group that don't want progress so they can make each other feel good, pat each on the back and they will all say, we showed those kids. Captain Dan and mate Irwin and Galahish will be at his side, stopping anything for the kids of the Yukon. Than you have shining Silver, with his economics and Liz with her continuing interest in garbage, wages and price controls.
What is the Yukon turning into, can any one explain this, that has some common sense?
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Replace them, Baby Ed BnR on May 2, 2015 at 7:01 am
Soccer season run from May to October which is 6 months by my math. You cannot half build or fix soccer fields because I have built four of them.
There are no soccer fields in the Yukon, just fields they try to play soccer on.
People that are against this project - have you ever played soccer or have kids that played soccer. Did not think so. Mouthpieces of anti soccer everything.
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Remember? on May 1, 2015 at 4:55 pm
Remember the baseball field built behind PC High School? After all we needed a regulation baseball field so our kids could compete with the other places in Canada. Half the budget blown to move out that huge rock. I don't think a game was ever played there. Special interest groups got their field. Now it sits there never used and in various states of disrepair. Fix the bridge near Hidden Valley and get us some beds in the hospital, as noted below.
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Replace them on May 1, 2015 at 7:23 am
I believe we have three Councillors that need replacing because they cannot see the futile attempts by pie in the sky soccer enthusiasts to bring forth the most ridiculous proposal in the annals of Whitehorse City Council as being invalid.
14 soccer fields for 1000 soccer players for 2 months of use.
3 skating rinks for 2, 3, maybe 10 thousand figure skaters, public skaters, speed skaters, hockey players, that are heavily used for eight (8) months of the year.
Does this ring any alarm bells @ 8 million dollars for these 3 sleeping councilors are any red flags popping up on this no-brainer decision.
What is next the Dart Association wanting a Hall of Fame for it's 50 members?
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ProScience Greenie on Apr 30, 2015 at 6:46 pm
It would be nice if we had an all-weather solar or wind powered dome to cover this proposed outdoor sports complex. Nothing worse than seeing our children play soccer out in the rain and cold or bright sunshine and dust. That's harsh. What do you anti-children folks think Whitehorse is, some kind of remote wilderness city or something?
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there is no lack of open space on Apr 30, 2015 at 6:02 pm
@Fawn... "I'm not familiar with the infrastructure in Whistle Bend. I do hope there is a neighbourhood playground and open space for playing in."
Don't worry, there is no lack of open space, it's not called "Wasteland Bend" for nothing. There are many square kilometers of dust-blown 'open space' wasteland caused by clear cutting a once beautiful forest and grassland area, and covering it with sterile fill dirt. All because of an engineering mistake YTG was quick to cover-up... literally. Not only that, YTG continues to award engineering contracts to the incompetent southern firm that caused it.
It's not what you know, but who you know and whose palms get greased.
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June Jackson on Apr 30, 2015 at 3:35 pm
Its really kind of funny.. these folks who don't get their own way whining and crying and accusing.. I don't want to spend 8 million dollars on something right now, so I hate kids.. only a 'few' people don't want this facility.. (every tax payer in town that doesn't work for YTG is more like it) So, I'm 'anti development"?
Someone wants me to support hissy fits and temper tantrums so they can force folks to adopt their plan?
Oh and I forgot, all those suffering kids.. forced to have soccer in school gyms and outdoor tracks...
Isn't fighting with the winner bad sportsmanship?? Aren't you teaching those poor suffering kids that if the vote goes against you.. why..just let your inner bully loose...try and take the winners down another way.. No doesn't mean No..it means make as much trouble as you can and try to beat 'em up another way..
Poor suffering kids.... indeed
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BnR on Apr 30, 2015 at 1:35 pm
So we have......etc
Wilf, what are you on about? So I'm anti child development because I don't see the need for an 8 million dollar facility in a town bursting at the seams with recreation facilities (both natural and artificial)? Your grasp on reality is slipping buddy.
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So do any of you anti development people have kids that play sports on Apr 30, 2015 at 1:08 pm
So do any of you anti development people have kids that plays sports?
Did not think so or you would think differently.
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The other supposed to be soccer fields are just fields not soccer fields and can't be repaired on Apr 30, 2015 at 9:55 am
The other supposed to be soccer fields are just fields and can't be repaired but need to be totally built like this complex proposes.
The Yukon does not have one soccer field, if anyone understands the game of soccer.
So if we are going to build proper soccer field why not do it right for our kids?
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BnR on Apr 30, 2015 at 6:52 am
Looking at the agree/disagree indicators, it would seem that the new normal for many people is entitlement. So what the hell, we need a football stadium so our kids won't suffer. And a baseball stadium too!
It's only money after all. Maybe an all season velodrome for all the bikers in town too. And woe betide the politician who opposes these facilities, because The Entitled will organize protests to get their way.
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Jim Lahey on Apr 29, 2015 at 10:19 pm
Won't someone please think of the children? No. Because they are too busy on the Internet and playing video games.
And soccer is sooooo boring. I would rather watch paint dry.
But if it does get built it's in the right spot. Take a whiff. Lol.
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Pjt1959 on Apr 29, 2015 at 8:48 pm
Well I cannot say that I am unhappy with this not being built as O&M cost will need to be covered. A couple of things no one wants to ask is, how long till the field needs replacing and track needs to be fixed and est. cost to tax payer as this will not be cheap. Sima seems to come to my mind. If these groups are so strong on this how about coming to the table with cash in hand to cover all of the cost? Are these groups ready to have all members pay $1,000.00 a year for membership? If they are willing to pay that then maybe I could look at it. That is my rant.
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So we have Baby Ed, Bnr Think logically have no kids that play soccer or sports on Apr 29, 2015 at 8:24 pm
So we have a few people who are against 1300 hundred of of our children having a support for life. What a group of disrespectful anti-child development but it's just like the NDP and liberals who do not support our kids well being.
Lead by Dan Curtis, Sandy Silver and Liz Hanson.
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Fawn on Apr 29, 2015 at 8:19 pm
It seems to me to be a very prudent decision, and one that can be revisited, too, if the need arises. I'm not familiar with the infrastructure in Whistle Bend. I do hope there is a neighbourhood playground and open space for playing in - much less maintenance but still encourages activity.
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Want and need? on Apr 29, 2015 at 6:59 pm
Some self aggrandizing elitists may want an 8 million dollar World Cup soccer pitch but what they need is already available with a bit of elbow grease and commitment.
What we need is the North approach on the Takhini bridge re-done before someone is killed. What we need is more beds for our Surgeon to perform operations so he doesn't have to pitch tents and try to run a MASH unit.
Thanks for your dedicated service over the years Dave. We will not forget.
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Think logically on Apr 29, 2015 at 4:54 pm
@ProScience Greenie
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suffer
I'm sorry that you feel children will have to "suffer" because they don't want to use the same track at FH or in the fields at the schools that I used (happily) growing up.
If people think logically they might see that spending money to build a new field when we don't maintain the existing fields is a poor idea.
We wouldn't want the city to buy new vehicles every 30,000 kilometers because they refused to maintain them... How is this much different?
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BnR on Apr 29, 2015 at 4:40 pm
Pro Science
Just how will they suffer pray tell? We didn't have any of these facilities growing up here back in the day, and somehow most of us became healthy, active citizens. I guess the big difference is we didn't feel entitled to these frills.
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Baby Ed on Apr 29, 2015 at 4:16 pm
An $8 million facility with typical cost overruns bringing it to $10 million for a field that can only be used for 3 months of the year by a select group of people. This doesn't even account for annual O and M costs.
You can fill in a lot of gopher holes and clean up a lot of dog sh*t on existing fields for that kind of money. This project make no sense from any angle.
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ProScience Greenie on Apr 29, 2015 at 4:06 pm
If this eight million dollar outdoor complex is not built, Yukon children will suffer. No doubt about it. Please think of the children and allow this wonderful facility to be built as soon as possible. Please put our children first and support this protest and related public temper tantrums and hissy fits.