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MAKING HIS RESPONSE – Environment Minister Wade Istchenko is today forwarding his final response to the Yukon Fish and Wildlife Management Board regarding its recommendation about the change in regulations for special guide licences.

Special guide licences bound for a lottery near you

A lottery system will be in place for issuing special guide licences for the upcoming hunting season, says Yukon Party cabinet spokesman Dan Macdonald.

By Chuck Tobin on March 14, 2016

A lottery system will be in place for issuing special guide licences for the upcoming hunting season, says Yukon Party cabinet spokesman Dan Macdonald.

Macdonald said Environment Minister Wade Istchenko is today forwarding his final response to the Yukon Fish and Wildlife Management Board regarding its recommendation pertaining to the change in regulations for special guide licences.

Exactly what the recommendation says was still under the confidentiality provision this morning.

Changing the method of issuing special guide licences was among the 15 regulation changes reviewed by the Yukon Fish and Wildlife Management Board late last year.

Environment Yukon proposed the regulation change which would see the lottery system put into use, as opposed to issuing the licences over the counter on a first-come, first-served basis.

In its proposal to the board, the department noted how the interest in the special licences has risen dramatically, creating a lineup at the door on April 1, the day the licences are made available.

Since 2009, all 100 licences available were taken within the first couple of weeks, but last year, they were taken in 2 1/2 hours, the proposal indicates.

Under it, the same type of lottery used to issue permits for certain big game animals in certain areas would be used to issue the licences.

Non-resident Canadians can only be guided under a special licence every three years, or hire a big game outfitter.

Resident hunters unsuccessful in the lottery could apply again the following year.

Their applications would be weighted in their favour until they were successful, just as it is currently for permit hunts.

A special guide licence allows resident hunters to guide non-resident Canadians, so that hunters have the opportunity to invite family or friends to go hunting without having to hire an outfitter.

Currently, resident hunters are only allowed a special guide licence every three years.

Under the new proposal, they would be eligible to apply every year, though non-resident hunters would still only be eligible every three years.

Also under the proposal, an additional 50 licences would be made available but only for bison, beginning with 25 licences this year.

Currently, bison cannot be hunted under a special guide licence.

The intent to allow for bison hunting now is to reduce pressure on moose and caribou while helping to fulfill the management goal of reducing the bison population, according to the proposal by Environment Yukon.

Under it, resident hunters could choose either a licence to guide for bison, black bear, wolf and coyote, or moose, caribou, black bear, wolf or coyote, but not both.

During the public meeting hosted by the wildlife management board last November to discuss the 15 proposed regulation changes, there was concern expressed by a few hunters about what they described as abuses of special guide licences.

It’s illegal for resident hunters to receive any pay or benefit from a hunter they’re guiding under a special licence.

But everybody knows the system is being abused, and resident hunters are benefiting, several at the meeting indicated, including one big game outfitter.

As one Whitehorse hunter put it, it’s the “new best friend” who’s the problem, he said.

With the Internet today, he added, it’s not hard to find a new best friend who would love nothing more than to come on a big game hunt in the Yukon.

Every year, the wildlife management board reviews proposals for regulation changes, whether they come from Environment Yukon, non-government organizations or individuals.

If the board deems the recommendation is appropriate and has the information required for public review, it includes the recommendation in its annual public review.

The board then makes recommendations to the Environment minister, though its nature remains confidential until the minister makes his or her final response.

Under the process, the minister makes an initial response, the board replies, and the minister issues a final response.

Until the minister provides his final response, the recommendation remains confidential.

Macdonald said the minister’s final response was being sent to the board today.

Executive director Graham Van Tighem of the wildlife management board said last week Istchenko had provided initial responses to two of the 15 recommendations forwarded by the board in January, including the response regarding special guide licences.

Comments (19)

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Who's resource? on Mar 20, 2016 at 12:10 am

Thank you Mr. Istchenko and your wise decisions. I feel so grateful you're making decisions on behalf of the public interest. I plan a family hunt for the same relative every 3 years. Never had a problem getting a guide license, did have trouble finding air charter. Now I can enjoy not getting a license and not getting air charter. Hmmmm. Please keep up the good work.. And we don't forget who actually was charged for guiding tourists without a license. Or how many outfitter hunting shows the public paid for you to attend..

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BnR on Mar 18, 2016 at 5:04 pm

Conflict of interest
Thanks for posting that intel re. Ryan Leef and Shockey. Given Ryan's past hi-jinx when he was with Ruby Range, seems like a good fit, he and Jim Shockey. When I said previously that I am not a fan of some of our outfitters here. Shockey is a perfect example of the "new breed" of non resident outfitters hammering his concessions hard as he can. Take a flight over his camps and see all the Argo trails he has put in. Try and find out how many moose he has taken out of his concession. Good luck.
I also must apologize to poster BS below. Reading deeper, Yukon residents are now not allowed to special guide a friend on Moose AND Caribou, but one or the other. Poster BS is correct that this can only come from the outfitter lobby. Yet a non-resident can take multiple species on the same hunt year after year. In their news release, the YPs Wade Istchenko has billed this as creating more opportunities for Yukon hunters. What a load of BS. We have LOST opportunities, with this as well as the PHAs in GM7, yet the outfitters keep on keeping on.

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Conflict of Interest? on Mar 18, 2016 at 2:46 pm

Slightly off topic, but no other forum to really discuss. Did anyone know that our recently removed Honorable MP Ryan Leef is now the contact and booking agent for Jim Shockeys Rogue River Outfitters....
What is going on with our multiple levels of Government and the Outfitters?! This is getting ridiculous

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Jesse W on Mar 18, 2016 at 8:45 am

Misinformation... You clearly don't get what I'm saying, there is a step between having your name drawn and being issued the licence. That step is "accepting" the licence. My comment is that the successful applicant should have to accept the licence, not turn it back or have the "hold" option.
But it seems Environment has already made the decision and we're rolling with it. Good Luck!

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BnR on Mar 17, 2016 at 5:26 pm

BS
Yukoners not abusing the special guide license? Dude, you want a list of charges over the past few years of Yukoners doing just that?
And as for this pleasing outfitters, Mervyns outfitters was absolutely NOT in favour of the proposals to special guide Bison, or using ATVs to haul bison out of the bush. This is documented as he was at the public meeting here in YXY where these proposals were discussed. I'm absolutely not in favour of the PHAs that have been implemented in GM7 because of the increased outfitter pressure, and not a big fan of many of Yukons outfitters, but the the special guides licences are not an appeasement to outfitters. Outfitters in general would love to see the special guides license done away with, and if you wonder why YT residents can't special guide for any of our Sheep species, you can thank the outfitter lobby.

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so much misinformation on Mar 17, 2016 at 4:37 pm

@ Jesse W - see Q19 here - it clearly says the licence is NOT returnable

http://www.env.gov.yk.ca/hunting-fishing-trapping/documents/FAQ-SpecialGuideLicencing2016Final.pdf

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Jesse W on Mar 17, 2016 at 4:25 pm

@so much misinformation.... I am aware current process is that special guiding licences (not tags) can't be returned once issued however, Env. is starting a new process.. hence the lottery, and one would likely have a choice as to whether they "accept" the licence if they're drawn or not accept. I'm saying they should not have the choice. If your drawn for 2016, you use it in 2016. If your not drawn, your chances are increased for the following year.
As for Mark... I have no idea what he is talking about.. Hey Mark, did I see you at the Deli today? Cause you sir are out to lunch!... Zing! Boom!

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So much misinformation on Mar 17, 2016 at 3:42 pm

Really folks ... lots of misinformation here.
- the list of people who get a tag in the lottery is public information - it's listed on the website,
Also, @ Jesse W, the special guide tags CANNOT be returned.
And @ Mark the Fish and Game Club don't give anyone these tags, only environment can.

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Jesse W on Mar 17, 2016 at 10:45 am

I'm hoping they do the turnback process differently than the permit hunt lottery. The reason people see a lot of the same names drawn every year, is because a lot of those people turn the permit back, keeping their weighting up, and then get drawn the next year. Looks suspicious but there's nothing wrong with that, that's the way the system is designed.

However, I hope with the special guide licence there are no turnbacks. If you're drawn you have to accept it or you lose your weighting. This will expedite the process and force only those who are serious about special guiding to apply. Use it or lose it.

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Yukoner on Mar 16, 2016 at 9:44 pm

As mentioned in the article anybody can propose a regulation change. Why wait for the Department of Environment to propose the change they want ? I agree that anyone that brings a hunter to Yukon should be feeding them from their own tag and if they don't want to then you know what's really going on there. After all it's suppose to be for family and friends. As for the same people winning over and over, you could include that in the regulation change. Make it mandatory for the list to be public.

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Follow the money on Mar 16, 2016 at 4:31 pm

Let's follow the argument that residents are making money from hunts. The logic would be all residents are crooks. Or money makes people into crooks.. Or when money is involved there is much more incentive to break laws. So again who makes money from wildlife..... Outfitters... who is most likely going to bend laws for financial gain? This is one of top 5 environment worst decisions.. Zone 7 sheep now this...

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Atom on Mar 16, 2016 at 2:15 pm

It's only gotten popular the last few years and this knee jerk is typical of Environment....ever look at how many permits CO's get each year? They have hunting friends from all over the country/state side/Europe. Just look at the Ryan Leef slip through the cracks decision, it's knowing the inside that matters here in this great Yukon.
I agree folks should be able to special guide on their own tag each year...it's about the meat and the hunt. Doing it with family or friends from away is special. But mention this to environment and they will not do it...because it affects them.

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BnR on Mar 16, 2016 at 7:10 am

If we are serious about conservation, and being able to enjoy our hunting heritage for years to come, how about this? A licensed Yukon resident can special guide a friend any year, but has to do so off their own tag. No special guide licenses, you guide off your own tag. If your "friend" is coming up to hunt, how much Moose meat do you need anyhow?
Speaking of how much meat you need, how about this? Reduce Sheep harvest to one sheep every two years. No more getting a Sheep every year. This would go a long way to keeping healthy sheep populations. Getting a sheep is not an efficient way to "fill the freezer", and you still get to sheep hunt every year, just your buddy is doing the shooting on alternate years. Another idea to keep Moose populations healthy, you can't get a Moose and a Bison in the same year. Again it comes down to how much meat do you really need?
We really should be looking at restrictions such as these ideas before wildlife populations reach the point where even more drastic measures become necessary. Won't happen? Then why did the government put sub zones in GM 7 onto PHAs for Sheep this past fall?

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Wolf on Mar 15, 2016 at 9:24 pm

In this Whitehorse Star report it says it will be extended to non-resident Canadians. The actual regulations state otherwise. You need to be a Canadian but non-resident Yukoner. Big difference. http://www.env.gov.yk.ca/hunting-fishing-trapping/special-guide-licence.php

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Kevin on Mar 15, 2016 at 5:15 pm

Are you going to publish names of winners so that the same people don't keep winning? This is an issue with other game draws as the same people and their families win every draw.

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BS on Mar 15, 2016 at 5:08 pm

Nothing more then Istchenko appeasing outfitters. They didn't get private land for concessions. Total bs about info on residents abusing systems. No evidence to support this just outfitter propaganda. Let's review the number of outfitter guide charges in the Yukon last year. Let's remember who's wildlife they are. Now the public will have to wait 10 years to get a tag. Total bs....

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Mark on Mar 15, 2016 at 12:33 pm

What a joke! Does anyone wonder why the same people win permits for everything they apply for? The Fish and Game club give the permits to the same people over and over again. We're talking about entire families here. The excuse I've heard is that these particular families give a lot of meat to the club. They rent planes and helicopters to find the animals, then go in for the slaughter. Pathetic really, not what I would call real hunters with ethics. Time for an end to the "favours" done by the Fish and Game club for these wannabes.

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Moose101 on Mar 14, 2016 at 7:24 pm

About time it may cut down on the abuse on the old system but it still needs some work to cut down on the new best friend hunters and recipical agreements they hatch out cash or otherwise.

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moe on Mar 14, 2016 at 3:42 pm

On a related topic, does anyone know if the Harper-Leef-Yukon Party announcement of $3 million a year for three years to promote trophy hunting (and snowmachine touring), in the Yukon is still on?

One priority is to make sure that the outfitters are taken care of as they use our tax dollars to get more people up here killing the Yukon's big game animals. We better have animals for those extra tourists to kill. Nine million dollars of advertising is a lot of money and I'd think they expect it to translate into a lot of trophy hunters visiting the Yukon.

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