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RULING DELIVERED – Nils Clarke (centre), the Speaker of the Yukon legislature, expressed his displeasure Monday with actions by NDP MLA Liz Hanson (left inset) and Stacey Hassard (right inset), the interim leader of the Yukon Party.

Speaker objects to actions by two MLAs Revised

A letter from an ex-clerk of the legislative assembly criticizing the Liberal government’s approach to electoral reform was wiped from the record of the assembly’s working papers last Thursday, in one of two rulings by Speaker Nils Clarke.

By Gabrielle Plonka on October 29, 2019

A letter from an ex-clerk of the legislative assembly criticizing the Liberal government’s approach to electoral reform was wiped from the record of the assembly’s working papers last Thursday, in one of two rulings by Speaker Nils Clarke.

The letter was addressed to the Members’ Services Board, a confidential committee, in August, and brought to the legislature by NDP MLA Liz Hanson on Oct. 22.

Clarke ruled that Hanson breached the board’s confidentiality when she tabled the document.

“The premature publication or disclosure of committee proceedings – whether by way of a release to the media or by a member attempting to table confidential committee material in the House – is a contravention of the Standing Orders and may be found to constitute a contempt of the Legislative Assembly or a breach of parliamentary privilege,” Clarke said.

The 10-page letter was written by Floyd McCormick, who worked in the legislature for 18 years up to his retirement last spring. He holds a PhD in political science.

The letter called the government’s plans for an electoral reform commission “fundamentally unfair,” and accused it of taking a heavy-handed approach to reform.

He accused Premier Sandy Silver of overestimating his party’s authority when it established the commission, and set its timeline and its draft terms of reference.

Speaking to the media Monday afternoon, Hanson did not express regret over tabling the confidential document, which released it to the public and to media.

“The conversation about democracy needs to be held out in the open,” Hanson said. “I sat on that (letter); I wanted and waited for Members’ Services Board to have a frank conversation and it didn’t happen.

“I tried many times to get it on the agenda. I was frustrated by the fact that I was elected to represent Yukon citizens and I don’t think the arbitrary decision made by another elected member – regardless of his role – to shut that down, is democratic.”

Clarke ruled that in the future, confidential documents would be rejected by the clerk and returned to the MLA attempting to release them. The letter has been removed from the assembly’s website.

He called the release of McCormick’s letter “an unfortunate departure from the practices of the committees of this assembly.”

Clarke proposed that the Members’ Services Board has the option of becoming a public committee, but must explicitly adopt rules to make it so.

The current board, chaired by Clarke, is comprised of Silver, Justice and Education Minister Tracy-Ann McPhee, Hanson and Yukon Party member Brad Cathers.

The committee is responsible for matters of policy and administration affecting the legislative assembly.

Hanson told media she has been “arguing for years” in favour of open committees and advocates for open standing committees on issues like electoral reform.

“I thought this government would be more open to it, and the premier would be more open to it, but it’s becoming more clear that he’s not,” Hanson said.

“The fundamentals of democracy are not confidential; they shouldn’t be.”

She added that she was not surprised to see McCormick’s letter yanked from the record, nor was she concerned about potentially being ruled as in contempt.

“Go for it – I will stand by my principles,” she said.

“I am elected to represent citizens, and I am elected in a democratic democracy, and if somebody wants to shut me down, then I want them to be able to say publicly how and why they intend to do that, and good luck.”

Dan Cable, the clerk of the house, clarified that the Speaker does not have the authority to find Hanson in contempt of the assembly. He told the Star Tuesday afternoon a member must file a motion to hold a fellow member in contempt.

Clarke’s intention, Cable said, was more likely to remind the members of their responsibilities.

Hanson added that because she expected the letter to be removed, she made a point of reading crucial parts of it to the House, therefore burning it into the transcribed record of the sitting.

Those transcriptions, unlike tabled documents, cannot be changed.

In an additional ruling, Clarke chastised interim Opposition Leader Stacey Hassard for implying the Speaker acts “in a politically partisan fashion” in his role on the Members’ Services Board.

Last Wednesday and Thursday, Hassard twice referred to Clarke as a Liberal MLA on the board.

He called the board a “…Liberal-controlled committee (which) is chaired by a Liberal MLA…” and noted “the Liberals hold the majority” on the committee.

Clarke ruled that references to himself as a Liberal MLA, when his role as chair is strictly non-partisan, is “drawing the Speaker into debate” and are “reflections on the impartiality or neutrality of the Speaker,” both of which he found to not be in order.

Clarke added that the Westminster model under which the legislature operates does not allow criticism of the Speaker or debate over his decisions.

He invited members of the house to speak with him in confidence, outside the house, or submit a written question on the order paper to the Members’ Services Board.

Comments (19)

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Unbiased observer on Nov 2, 2019 at 6:19 pm

The Yukon Party sucks and you can tell that by reading their supporters comments on this board. Their old and tired way doesn't fit a modern day Yukon.

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Al on Nov 1, 2019 at 1:10 pm

@ Anon
Perhaps you need to take a few moments to read and reflect closely on the Legislative Assembly Act. The "Yukon Legislation, Section L" is not listed under Acts and Regulations. The LAA does not even have a section L. So where you pulled that from is anyone's guess.

What is contained in Hansard does not detail any legislative authority that you reference. Members' opinions on any Act without providing the article in "quotes" is considered an opinion.

The YLA only provides that the LAA may issue Standing Orders - it does not mean that any SO has LAA weight of enforcement articles respecting SO's.

I get a little tired of reading people's off the cuff remarks and making interpretations of what "they think" is embodied in legislation. For your reference please refer to: Legislative Assembly Act, RSY 2002, c.136. You just may find it enlightening.

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Screw Loose on Oct 31, 2019 at 11:27 pm

@ Moose - It is clear that you like Nils and that you “believe” he is doing a good job. It’s clear that you have a bias for Nils as you are unable to address his alleged behaviour without attacking the professionalism of others. You have made the issue about Nils or about someone else - Which do you prefer - Which do you “believe”?

These are children’s games. Before a parent teaches the child differently anyway. Most children by the time they are 3 or 4 start to get a sense that this behaviour only leads to ever greater depreciations - I know you are but what am I?

But, if we are going to start pointing fingers and deciding things based on our feelings then we do not need to engage with reality. We don’t have to settle on facts we just have to make them irrelevant. That is, no need to forgive my hypocrisy, very lawyerly of you.

Nils may be an exception but you have asserted a number of fallacies that detract from your intentions and possibly from Nils’ actual character. While you may be temporarily satisfied by your submission I cannot see an angle that it plays well for Nils...
You are simply reaffirming the need for a code of conduct governing the non-partisanship behaviours for the speaker.

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Yukoner32 on Oct 31, 2019 at 10:29 pm

The speaker was in no way over the rules. He is actually much less partisan than the previous Yukon Party Conservative speakers. He is a lawyer and actually knows the bounds. I trust his professional opinion over the partisan Yukon Party MLAs opinions any day! It's just sour grapes from them since they are no longer in power. Sad really.

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Anon on Oct 31, 2019 at 5:34 pm

@Al
So... did you do your own research? Or are you still waiting for me to spoon-feed it to you?
Yukon Legislation, Section L
Hansard, Standing Orders
That's all the help I'm giving you. If you can't figure it out from that, I no longer care.

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@Woody on Oct 31, 2019 at 1:41 pm

That's exactly the Point! It's supposed to be independent but this Liberal Speaker has broken that convention by being explicitly partisan. All those liberal supporters should expect more from their party, not make excuses for them. If this was done by any other party you would be furious.

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Al on Oct 31, 2019 at 1:18 pm

@Anon
"No. Do your own research. Just because I know what I'm talking about doesn't mean I am obligated to educate you. Everything you need is in Hansard and in Yukon Legislation."
Ha, Ha, Ha. I knew you were just flapping your gums !!!

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Woody on Oct 30, 2019 at 10:41 pm

@Groucho Psssst - the legislative office is independent. This means not controlled by any political party. Sorry to burst your anti-liberal narrative.

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Moose on Oct 30, 2019 at 10:37 pm

I think Mr. Clarke is doing a great job. It's nice to have a former lawyer as speaker, brings some professionalism to the job that was lacking. Don't let the NDP and Yukon Conservative Party bully you into not doing your job, rules are rules and otherwise we have chaos. Besides, there is no way you could be anywhere near as partisan as the last few Yukon Conservative Party speakers. It's funny how they think the rules no longer apply when they lose power huh? The double standard they operate by is something to behold.

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Anon on Oct 30, 2019 at 6:37 pm

@Al
No. Do your own research. Just because I know what I'm talking about doesn't mean I am obligated to educate you. Everything you need is in Hansard and in Yukon Legislation.

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Al on Oct 30, 2019 at 2:32 pm

@Anon
"The Liberals and the Speaker are doing exactly what the law says they have to do in these instances."
When you get a few moments (after you get the sand out of your eyes"), please provide the specific legislation and articles (by quote) that you speak of.

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Al on Oct 30, 2019 at 1:19 pm

One other note Clarke that you may want to reflect on. You noted to the reporter, "Clarke added that the Westminster model under which the legislature operates does not allow criticism of the Speaker or debate over his decisions."

While you may have the holier than thou jurisdiction over members of the Assembly I remind you that you have no such authority over the court of public opinion. So you can be haughty-taught with MLA's you will fall short over Yukoner's right to express our views of your behaviour.

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Anon on Oct 30, 2019 at 12:39 pm

Many of you seem to have no concept at all of what a "law" is. You seem to think people can just change the legislation at will and on their own volition. This is not the case.

The Liberals and the Speaker are doing exactly what the law says they have to do in these instances. The YP and the NDP are flouting the law, as they seem to think that mob mentality rules apply to the Legislative Assembly. They do not.

Maybe the laws need to be changed so things are more transparent, and these types of documents can be discussed in-house. But until that happens, guess what? The YP and NDP are breaking the law.

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Groucho d'North on Oct 30, 2019 at 12:17 pm

@Guncache,
Liberal secrecy is even worse than you imagine. Ms. Hanson tabled the letter in the Legislature and per the Standing Orders, the document would normally be added to the Tabled Documents page of the Legislature's webpages. I checked- it's not there. I guess the Liberals are afraid the public will learn the truth about their manipulations towards electoral reform in the Yukon. Odd that the PM had to bail on electoral reform as promised and our local Liberal contingent is struggling with the same. Do two examples constitute a trend?
The Yukopn Legislatures Tabled Documents webpage can be found here: https://yukonassembly.ca/house-business/tabled-documents

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Guncache on Oct 30, 2019 at 9:43 am

The liberals love hiding things from the public. Liz should post the letter online so we can see it

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Lynx on Oct 29, 2019 at 10:48 pm

The NDP don't respect the rules of our Westminster system? Colour me surprised. They've been acting as if the rules don't apply to them for as long as I can remember. They remind me of children who cheat at games whenever they can't win by playing fair. Shameful but not unexpected.

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Al on Oct 29, 2019 at 3:17 pm

Well, well Mr. Speaker I do believe you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar and got called out on it. Perhaps if you weren't looking after your Liberal buddies you would remain "neutral (which is a requirement of your position)" and be proactive in forwarding material from the committee in a timely manner.

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Take note on Oct 29, 2019 at 3:00 pm

Never in Yukon's history have we had a Speaker be so partisan and abuse their power as much as this Liberal Speaker. I really hope people realize how big of an issue this is but honestly I'm surprised it even made the news.

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Neil Lybrall on Oct 29, 2019 at 1:56 pm

And there you have it! The Liberal assertion of form over content. Of course there are anti-democratic practices at work behind the scenes.
That is because politics are about power and not about power to the people but rather the power to keep oneself in power.
My power, my power, my power... You’re encroaching on my authority! Never mind the secret, backdoor manipulations that is just the way the Westminster model works.

Neoliberals... What ya gonna do about it? Democracy for the few by the few!

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