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Some caribou permits kiboshed by YG

On the last day before hunting season begins tomorrow,

By Palak Mangat on July 31, 2018

On the last day before hunting season begins tomorrow, the Yukon Fish and Game Association (YFGA) is surprised and disappointed after learning permit hunts for Finlayson caribou will be cancelled this year in the Ross River area.

It comes after the Yukon government issued a release early this morning that permit hunts for the herd will not be issued after ongoing discussions with the Ross River Dena Council (RRDC).

“That was a decision that they made,” Charles Shewen, the YFGA’s president, told the Star this morning.

“We don’t get much notice; we’re going to have to deal with it.”

An Environment Yukon spokesperson pointed out that those permits had not been issued but placed on hold in early July.

Individual hunters were notified that while they were successful in having their names drawn, because of these ongoing conversations with the council, a final decision about the permits would be made before August.

“The announcement simply says when you’re hunting in the Ross River area, please follow these general rules – and by the way, there’s no Finlayson hunting this year,” Shewen sighed.

But it also came with no consultation with the YFGA, he added.

“The YFGA is disappointed,” he said.

The release itself could have been more clear as to laying out the motivations for the decision to cancel permits as related to conservation efforts as well, he added.

As of this morning, Shewen said, he had not been in touch with the department about these permits after the release.

However, he commended the government and Environment Minister Pauline Frost for their efforts in negotiating to RRDC.

Roxanne Stasyszyn is the director of communications for the department. While conversations were had between the Yukon government and RRDC on a government-to-government level, she said, the YFGA as a stakeholder was not notified.

“Those conversations are part of our regular practice,” she explained.

“We don’t put in place (these changes) without having the First Nations on which traditional territory that would apply” involved in the discussion, Stasyszyn added.

Interest groups like the YFGA are stakeholders, she said, adding that “government-to-government conversations are exactly that: they’re between governments.”

The dialogue with the RRDC has “been progressing regularly,” and the department has been doing its best to notify those impacted.

Individual hunters who would have been granted the 30 permits were told there was a hold on their permits and a final decision would be made by August, Stasyszyn said.

With the release dated July 31, she noted, the department has fulfilled that commitment.

But it does not take away from the surprise announcement issued just a day before the season starts, Shewen said, saying he still feels confused about the justification.

“I don’t think it’s a reason based on scientific (evidence).

“We have not been made aware of any conservation, any reasoning in conservation science for that decision,” Shewen said.

The association is supportive of having ongoing discussions with the First Nation to better provide certainty for both its members and hunters.

“The YFGA is a conservation organization,” he said, noting that he and the membership also shared similar concerns around wildlife management as the RRDC.

While disappointing, the decision to cancel the permits is understandable, Shewen said.

It would be less surprising and have been received better if the department had kept the organization as a whole in the loop about the potential to be entirely cancelling 30 permits.

“We’ve just been handed this (as an) outcome of discussions between” the RRDC and the territorial government, he said.

By cancelling the Finlayson caribou permits,“our concern has been realized in a different way,” Shewen explained.

“Now to hear those permits wont be issued at all – it’s definitely a bit of a surprise,” he said, adding that some hunters could have wanted to start hunting as early as Wednesday.

He said he was also unclear as to whether this would mean that those 30 permits would not be shifted on to a different breed – that is, the possibility of placing pressure on another breed in hopes to protect the Finlayson caribou herd.

“The YFGA would be glad to participate in recovery by stopping the hunt (of specific breeds),” Shewen said, but the lack of clarity around this being a reason made it difficult not to be surprised.

Stasyszyn clarified shortly after that this was not the case, and that those permits would be cancelled altogether.

“It’s not a matter of timing,” Shewen said, likening it to more of a “consultation issue.”

Noting that it is not uncommon for there to be restrictions placed on hunting specific herds or breeds, Shewen said that based on the release, it seemed to be connected more to the RRDC negotiations than conservation efforts.

“That’s not the backdrop here.”

Stasyszyn was able to confirm that there was conversation between the association and the department sometime last week (July 23 -July 27). However, details of that were not able to be confirmed by press time this afternoon.

That means the YFGA being notified of the possibility of Finlayson caribou herd permits being cancelled altogether could have happened, or it could not have.

But according to Shewen, the organization as a whole was not notified – and it would have appreciated being told.

“We’ve been talking to the minister, trying to create certainty for hunters in the Ross River area” for some time now, he said, especially when it comes to how best to share resources.

That’s why, he said, “we’re a bit surprised that negotiations have led to the shutdown of Finlayson caribou hunting in the area without consultation on why that needed to occur.”

The release notes that meetings between the minister and RRDC have taken place, with Frost saying that “I look forward to making progress on these issued with Ross River Dena Council and strengthening our government-to-government relationship.”

It’s that relationship, said Shewen, that can change over time and result in uncertainty for years, months or weeks down the road.

“With that in mind, we just want to make sure that this decision is as scientifically based and warranted for the good of the herd,” he said, and not just a result of negotiations between the RRDC.

Stasyszyn said that while the Finlayson herd would not be hunted this year, she was unable to confirm whether that would be the case for the following year.

“Whether or not this has implications for next year – that’s still to be determined,” she said.

The department had sat down with the RRDC after the council placed an ad in local newspapers on June requiring that all non-Kaska hunters get a permit from the council.

Shewen said he is grateful the release notes that compensation will be offered to hunters impcated.

But it also leaves questions as to what that form of compensation can take – monetary or something else.

“If (it) means pushing those hunters over to another herd, I think that maybe exacerbates our concerns.”

That’s not the case, Stasyszyn explained, offering some clarification.

She said the application fee will be refunded and an additional year’s weighting for the following year will be applied, after returning the individual’s weighting back to what it originally was before their name was drawn for the FInlayson herd permit.

That means that somebody with a weighting of five going into this year’s draw who had their name chosen would have seen it drop to zero.

Instead, after cancelling the permits, their weighting will rise to six and then seven for the following year – increasing the chances of them being chosen for the 2019 draw.

For his part, Shewen said he hopes that conservation played as big of a role in the decision as the hope to address some concerns of the RRDC.

“They need to be making wildlife management decisions based on sciences because if we don’t, it’s a slippery slope.”

That’s because it could open the door up to different (and maybe even more) breeds being considered, he said.

“Let’s make sure this is a scientific decision, not a feeling or an opinion or bargaining chip – because it’s not fair to the Yukon hunters.”

The release encourages hunters in the area to “voluntarily comply” with RRDCs request for a shorter moose and caribou season, and reach out to the council about any questions.

“YFGA doesn’t have any problems with that,” Shewen said, saying many members already contact the First Nation whose traditional territory they will be hunting in – especially for those hunting bison, sheep and moose.

“It’s well within the established norms.”

For his part, Shewen said the YFGA would likley be touching base with the department to get more details about its motivation.

“This is kind of an unwelcome surprise,” he sighed: “obviously, there’s things going on here that we’re not totally aware of.”

Stasyszyn told the Star on July 9 that there were more than 200 permits available for this season, with 34 of those being for caribou.

With 30 of those permits for specifically the Finlayson herd now cancelled, it leaves about eight caribou permits for the seaso

Comments (21)

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ythunter on Aug 6, 2018 at 12:32 pm

So now Teslin First Nation wants to permit non TTC members.
Again, what about the outfitters? Yukon Big Game Outfitters, concession 20, took 50 moose last season. Fifty.
Man, if there is an issue with harvest numbers, the gov should damn well do something about it, don't leave it to the First Nations, and don't treat Yukoners like poor cousins to the outfitters.
I emailed the premier and environment minister on this, and so far, over a week later, no response.
Completely unacceptable.

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woodcutter on Aug 3, 2018 at 1:24 pm

@ bandit

They have changed things considerably over the years and have weeded out the bad operators. Every year there is changes to the rules and allocation processes. Sure there is some man babies complaining, but then it's what they are used to.

I am sure most hunters are ethical, however I have several instances of hunters blasting in the block while I am there. Hunters have come to my camp, and when the dogs bark, they are there for bears, they get all snotty. So yeah, they piss me off and all this cry baby sniveling only reinforces the image

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Plywood on Aug 2, 2018 at 1:49 pm

A big piece of information is missing here.

Licenced Non-Kaska hunters are blamed for the decline for taking 30 caribou a year — how many do Kaska take?
Notice how the Ross River Dena aren't saying. Do they even keep track?

Always 'outsiders' being blamed not local hunters. Politically easier.

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Bandit on Aug 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm

@woodcutter.
From the tone of this post and other comments you have made in the past you seem to be anti hunting. I get it, maybe it's not for everyone but many others, myself included, enjoy the hunt and the end result is providing wild game harvested ethically for my friends and family to enjoy. I am not a trophy hunter, I have respect for the animal and the land where I harvest it from. I am not FN, I have lived in THE Yukon for enough years to still say THE Yukon.
Now to get to the point of my post. Just for a second, change this article to reflect similar changes to the Timber Harvest Agreement. Replace the word hunt with T.H.A. ( I assume that is your occupation) and see if all of the chainsaw toting, axe wielding, with their 4x4s tearing up the bush man babies (LOL) start a harmonious whine.
Bandit out.

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Max Mack on Aug 2, 2018 at 11:00 am

Rule of law in the Yukon? Forget that. Let's govern by how we feel, instead.

"Concerned" about something? Go get the FN all worked up. Maybe make a backroom deal. Don't need facts. Anecdotes will do. GY will cave every time, apparently.
We're in for a rough ride, folks.

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Hunter on Aug 1, 2018 at 6:12 pm

The Department of Environment messed up on the issuing of Permits, reissuing of permits and definitely messed up on helping fix this hunting issue on the NC before it became an issue.

I hope the government workers who receive high pay in this department are given walking papers. Clearly more than one person hasn't been doing their jobs.

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Hugh Mungus on Aug 1, 2018 at 3:52 pm

I guess it is safe to say there is ZERO accountability on this file?

If I delivered such a cluster#&%$ at my job just once I'd be fired. These guys do it twice, still get it wrong and just walk away.

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woodcutter on Aug 1, 2018 at 1:52 pm

lol , and all the man babies cry in harmony.

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Rokslide on Aug 1, 2018 at 7:36 am

Why is there an image of environments communications manager?
There should be pictures of the Liberal cabinet with Silver and Frost front and center. You make the big bucks, don't make the rank and file YEU members take the blame for your terrible decisions.
Any Yukoner that gets out on the land should remember what these clowns did when the next election comes around.

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Anvilrange on Jul 31, 2018 at 10:27 pm

There are rumours floating around that a high up bureaucrat in the department has been fired for protesting this action. Minister Frost? Are you going to fill the voters in?
I can't recall anything like this ever being shoved down Yukoners throats.
Premier Silver needs to wear this. You want to be the big shot? Well, take responsibility. What a CF.

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dempster dogs - anyone care? on Jul 31, 2018 at 7:02 pm

And if the Yukoners can't hunt that herd, I hope the RRDC is shutting down the thrill killers too. Or at least the tens of thousands that they pay to get shown where there's an animal to shoot, resulting in exciting Safari Club Points to brag about, can be given to the locals along with the meat they don't want.

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dempster dogs - anyone care? on Jul 31, 2018 at 7:00 pm

You can still join the blood bath on the Dempster in the fall, can't you? Nothing seems to be getting done about that. Pack the ATV's and the hand held radios and the rifles and shoot! For sure a few will be left on the ground not too far from the pick up truck for you to fill your boots and drive back where you came from.

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Groucho d'North on Jul 31, 2018 at 5:37 pm

This is ad-hoc land claim negotiations. Get the feds, YG and the RRDC and the Kaska if they are interested and sit down and hammer out a deal that includes hunting rights for non-aboriginals. It's long overdue.

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Yukon Hunter on Jul 31, 2018 at 5:22 pm

Seems to me that there is an issue that Yukon Government and Ross River need to address so that everyone has clarity going forward.

I imagine there is a lot more to this than the article reports.
All I hope is it gets resolved so that next year things are better.

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Lost In the Yukon on Jul 31, 2018 at 4:57 pm

Is the department spokeperson (Roxanne Stasyszyn) a Yukon hunter?

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ythunter on Jul 31, 2018 at 4:36 pm

So how come the outfitters get to keep their 10 permits? The yg document Guidelines to Establishing Outfitter Quotas clearly states that if resident hunters are on quota, so shall the outfitter(s). This is completely backwards. Residents get screwed, the outfitters? Game on boys.
And the fish and game association, who's supposed to be representing us, is "disappointed"? That's it?
I'm absolutely livid. Wake up Yukon hunters.

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BnR on Jul 31, 2018 at 4:19 pm

Initially, I read into the whole Ross River issue that they are concerned about over hunting on the North Canol. Given that the Caribou hunt in the Finlayson area is permit only, thus monitored and controlled, why are the permits for the caribou hunt the only issue being addressed? The Ross River Dena could have put this forward to the fish and wildlife management board, as anyone could.
Honestly, this whole thing has turned political. The Ross River Dena made it so, and the government has done nothing to mitigate this.

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MordecaiRichterScale on Jul 31, 2018 at 3:49 pm

Jees, why use fifty words when eight hundred will do ? ( some judicious editing would have made this infinitely more readable ).

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ProScience Greenie on Jul 31, 2018 at 3:35 pm

This is a big enough deal that the Minister should be speaking to the public rather than one of the department's many spin doctors.

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Yukoner on Jul 31, 2018 at 3:18 pm

Regardless of what the article says, what hasn't been answered is what is the status of permits given to non-resident hunters? That is, the non Yukoners (non-voters (hint!)) guided hunter permits? There is at least one outfitter who actively targets the Finlayson herd. Have those permits been cancelled as well, or does the burden of this closure fall squarely on Yukoners? Again?
In this issue, the RRDC represents indigenous residents interests, and the Yukon government is supposedly representing the rest of us. It seems to me that in this case, they have failed Yukoners miserably.
To announce this THE DAY BEFORE HUNTING SEASON is a sucker punch to Yukoners, regardless of whether you had one of the Finlayson PHAs or not.
Bye bye Libs.......

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joe on Jul 31, 2018 at 2:46 pm

This is totally unfair. Maybe we need to stop plowing the highway in winter or charge users fees to the hospital to those who believe they have more rights than others in this territory.

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