Photo by Vince Fedoroff
OBJECTION – Porter Creek resident Keith Lay again appeared before city council Monday to repeat his objection to the city's snowmobile bylaw. Council passed the bylaw last night, but not before agreeing it was not perfect.
Photo by Vince Fedoroff
OBJECTION – Porter Creek resident Keith Lay again appeared before city council Monday to repeat his objection to the city's snowmobile bylaw. Council passed the bylaw last night, but not before agreeing it was not perfect.
Whitehorse residents who have a driver's licence should be able to write their snowmobile operating test by June 1, says the city bylaw manager.
Whitehorse residents who have a driver's licence should be able to write their snowmobile operating test by June 1, says the city bylaw manager.
Dave Pruden said this morning with the updated snowmobile bylaw receiving final approval by city council Monday night, his department will begin putting together the material for the on-line course and exam to obtain the required safety card.
In speaking with the company which provides the Internet access – the same company which provides the federal motor boat licence – the cost should be somewhere between $30 and $50, he said.
Pruden suspects anything over an hour to run the course and complete the exam will likely be too long.
"I can't imagine we want to have this thing go any longer than an hour,” he said.
Pruden said the test will be restricted to those already licensed to drive a car or truck, since it's illegal to operate a snowmobile in the city without a licence.
Under the territorial Motor Vehicles Act, it's illegal to operate a snowmobile on public land anywhere in the Yukon without a driver's licence, registration and insurance.
The snowmobile bylaw, last updated in the early 1990s, was first passed in 1972 and is subject to the terms of the Motor Vehicles Act.
The bylaw covers everything from requiring operators to slow down when approaching pedestrians to establishing a maximum 50 kilometre per hour speed limit in the city, unless otherwise posted.
The bylaw contains a list of prohibited areas, like the downtown, parks, school playgrounds, the Millennium Trail, public ski trails and boulevards between the streets and property lines.
It allows snowmobilers to drive city streets but only to access the nearest trail head.
The bylaw also lists seven prohibited roadways, and sets out the amount of fines for each of the 39 offences, from $150 for driving without a safety card to $500 for operating without insurance.
Bylaw officers also have the power to seize snowmobiles under certain conditions.
The manager of bylaw said he expects the test to obtain a safety card will largely be focused on the contents of the bylaw and the principles of minimizing the environmental impact of snowmobile use.
There is also the possibility the safety course and test will be provided by the two or three businesses in town which already provide snowmobile safety courses, Pruden said.
Since the fall of 2010, when city council appointed the snowmobile task force to initiate the bylaw review, there's been much debate.
Even last night, at the 11th hour, Porter Creek resident Keith Lay – a long-standing advocate of non-motorized trail use and an opponent of loud, disruptive snowmobiles – took one more kick at the can.
He told council as there is virtually no enforcement of the bylaw right now, the exercise of renewing it with no expectation of increasing enforcement is rather pointless.
Relying on education rather than enforcement, as the city's mantra seems to be, has not been effective, Lay told council, so why should anybody expect any different now?
He said if people know they can break the law with impunity, they will.
Most snowmobiles, Lay suggested, are not insured and therefore are illegal, but there's no consequence.
Yet, what of the public liability –who would pay for damages or injuries, should an accident happen? he asked.
Some members of council acknowledged the updated bylaw is not perfect. They also congratulated Pruden and city staff for working through adversity to come up with what Mayor Buckway called a "bylaw that we can live with.”
We don't always get everything we want, the mayor said.
And in the words of Coun. Betty Irwin:
"This bylaw will not eliminate conflicts between operators and non-operators. It will not educate those who do not wish to be educated, it will not force compliance on those who choose not to comply and it will make enforcement very difficult and frustrating for both our bylaw personnel and the public.
"I do, however, entertain a small hope that the public discussions and the publicity over this issue might have the positive effect of raising awareness and a spirit of co-operation on both sides of the divide so that we can begin to find ways to share our love, enjoyment and respect of the space we share here.”
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Comments (12)
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Yukongal on Mar 6, 2012 at 5:11 am
Keith Lay, you just have way too much time on your hands after retirement, like honestly pick up a better hobby like fishing.
I do think this may be all based on the fact that you can't afford a snowmobile!
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Max Mack on Mar 5, 2012 at 9:26 am
"read it again" needs to read my post again.
The Motor Vehicles Act makes no reference to "public lands". It does apply to roads/etc " . . . whether publicly or privately owned, any part of which the public is ordinarily entitled or permitted to use for the passage or parking of vehicles . . ."
This definition is not as broad as you might think.
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MIKE KLOSTRICH on Mar 5, 2012 at 6:34 am
WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS SNOWMOBILE ARTICLE. I LIVE IN WEST YELLOWSTONE MONTANA, WE HAVE BEEN ALLOWED THE PRIVILEGE OF USING THE STREETS ON OUR SNOWMOBILES FOR FOR LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS. THE CITY USES THE SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT ALL WHEELED VEHICLES USE 25 MILES AN HOUR IN TOWN ETC. VERY FEW ISSUES , WE RIDE ON NATIONAL FOREST LAND VERY LITTLE PRIVATE LAND IS AVAILABLE. DRIVERS LICENCES AND INSURANCE PROOF, WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF RENTAL MACHINES, KIDS UNDER AGE MUST RIDE WITH ADULT. HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU FOLKS LESS GOVERMENT IS BETTER. MIKE KLOSTRICH
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Klondiker on Mar 2, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Guncache....
Actually Bylaw officers can stop vehicles on the roadway and sleds and ATVs on the pathways. However, public safety is their number one mandate....so the worst scenario is someone tries to escape Bylaw by speeding away and cause injury or death to themselves in their foolish escape attempt. Nothing is worth the risk of someone being injured, however they can be stopped. Also, We got stopped on the trail a few weeks ago at a check stop by Bylaw officers and they have one hell of a brand new monster sled. A foolish man speaks first before checking his facts. Ha ha
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read it again on Mar 2, 2012 at 2:34 am
Read the MV Act again Max, it does indeed say you need a licence, and a helmet among other things. This begs the question why you need a bylaw at all?
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GUNCACHE on Mar 2, 2012 at 1:15 am
To the best of my knowledge Bylaw can not do any moving violations due to a lack of competency so I would not worry to much about getting stopped. Unless they purchased a new patrol snowmobile the one they had would be about 20 years old. The City has recently passed a number of new legislations aimed at some petty items to get another dollar from your pocket. The snowmobile safety card is probably as much of a joke as the pleasure craft operator card.
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Francias Pillman on Mar 1, 2012 at 11:07 am
Where is Riverdale Blvd? Lol.
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jenn on Mar 1, 2012 at 9:45 am
City, come enforce Riverdale, the numbskulls who rev up and down Riverdale Blvd need to be dealt with.
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Riding family on Mar 1, 2012 at 6:17 am
I have a few suggestions for a "Skier bylaw"
-how to pick up your dog SH#*.
-how to park your car
-how to smile
-how to realize you're not the center of the universe.
Seriously, I have a few questions, so are there 2 tests? "on line" AND with"two or three businesses in town"? And as the title states "Whitehorse residents who have a driver's licence should be able to write their snowmobile operating test by June 1", I don't know but I doubt there will be enough snow in June. And what's going to be the cost of the driving course? your first born?
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All I want is to ride in peace on Feb 29, 2012 at 9:37 am
So, does this mean there is going to be an employment position available with the City? I sure would like to ride my machines around all day looking for those not wearing helmets, or asking to see the rider's safety cards, Where and when can I apply?
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Max Mack on Feb 29, 2012 at 9:20 am
"Under the territorial Motor Vehicles Act, it's illegal to operate a snowmobile on public land anywhere in the Yukon without a driver's licence, registration and insurance."
This is absolutely false. There are no such provisions in the Motor Vehicles Act.
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BRIAN FOBE on Feb 29, 2012 at 12:57 am
Well that is the end of freedom in the YUKON, once again one group gets what they want, SHAME on YOU BEV BUCKWAY, I always respected others on the trail and those that don't will continue, so much for family weekend rides from the house, we can't afford more, my kids say thanks a lot you bunch of hypocrites, yes I explained that word to them.