‘Sima needs the community and the community needs Sima'
The message was clear and delivered by more than 20 people who addressed city council Monday night:
By Stephanie Waddell on March 12, 2013
The message was clear and delivered by more than 20 people who addressed city council Monday night:
"Sima needs the community and the community needs Sima.”
Delegates repeatedly called on the city to plan for long-term core funding for the Great Northern Ski Society, which operates Mount Sima, after thanking the city for its past support of the hill.
And after each presentation, speakers were greeted by applause from the audience of more than 100 spilling out of council chambers, some holding signs to show their concerns.
Along with a core funding agreement, the society has also asked for an immediate cash infusion of $400,000 to pay off accounts and get it through the next year after some "hiccups” in its first summer of operation.
If the hill doesn't get the immediate funding, it would cease operations after the winter season wraps up on April 7, ski society president Craig Hougen told council.
Board member Patti Balsillie, who sat before council with Hougen and treasurer Jody Woodland, suggested though that through the discussions on the ski hill's future, other options may present themselves.
Hougen's presentation came after user groups voiced their enthusiasm for the hill and called on the city to show its support.
The request comes after the city has put $3.5 million into the facility over the last three years for a new quad chair and to support year-round operations, along with funding the group has received in previous years.
"This is not a unique situation,” Hougen said, pointing out that ski facilities are often the recipients of core annual operating funding from the municipality.
The Eaglecrest ski area in Juneau, for example, gets annual funding to the tune of $750,000 US from the City of Juneau, he pointed out, noting that's with the hill bringing in $1.7 million in sales each year.
What Sima has done, he told council, is come up with a plan to actually reduce its reliance on government funding by moving to a year-round operation with federal funding to the tune of $1.5 million to build an adventure park, zipline and offer bike trails in the summers.
The business plan would have seen full summer operations begin May 1 last year.
However, construction delays meant it didn't fully open until late in the season, with only portions of it open at a time.
That meant Sima didn't get the revenue it anticipated and is now in need of more short-term funding.
The situation had Coun. Jocelyn Curteanu wondering why the society waited so long to let the community know its financial situation.
As Hougen explained, the board has been working over the last six months to find other ways to deal with the situation than going to the city for cash.
Treasurer Jody Woodland said the $400,000 would go to accounts that are due in the next few months as well as keeping things going for the next year.
In an interview this morning, Hougen said he didn't have the figures showing how much the hill owes on various bills.
The society is still paying for the nearly $3-million new chairlift the city put $1.3 million into in 2011, owing $180,000 on it. He pointed out that is part of a payment plan that was made prior to the purchase of the lift.
Other accounts owing are for operational expenses, he said.
Looking ahead to the summer, Hougen said the board is anticipating a base revenue of $240,000 in its first full summer season.
"We're keen to get a full year under our belt,” Balsillie told council.
Coun. Dave Stockdale took issue with the board's vision of Sima as an "iconic” destination that would draw tourists.
Suggesting that Sima is an iconic tourist draw is like comparing the local farmers' market in Whitehorse to Vancouver's Granville Island.
"It is not an iconic facility,” a stern Stockdale argued.
Coun. Mike Gladish wondered about its management staffing, with Hougen stating the hill now employees six full-time managers with a salary budget of about $100,000.
It was Sam Oettli who addressed council last night on behalf of the staff and volunteers at the hill, which has long been a part of his life even before he started working there.
Sima, he said, has a dedicated and diverse team that has repeatedly proved it can host large events, including the Canada Winter Games, Arctic Winter Games and mountain biking events, among many others.
A number of staff have even taken the skills they've learned at Sima to larger facilities like Whistler and Big White in B.C.
Council heard from one such employee who will be moving on to Whistler in the coming weeks.
"They're paving the path for my career,” one Sima employee noted.
In 2011, he was hired to work at the hill. At the time, he didn't know what his long-term career goals would be.
As he worked at Sima, he was trained to run equipment, help build a terrain park and so on, and it wasn't long before he knew he wanted to continue in that field.
Others spoke of the role the hill has had in their lives over the last 20 years.
Sima, said Katrina Couch, Snowboard Yukon's vice-president and coach, "stands as a pillar in my upbringing.”
Couch represented the Yukon at some major events like the Canada Winter Games when she was younger.
Upon her return to Whitehorse from university, Couch decided she wanted to give back to that community, and began her volunteer work with the snowboarding organization.
Snowboard Yukon and Sima have collaborated on a number of events. The territory's top snowboarders have acted as ambassadors in Outside competitions where coaches for other regions have been impressed with the level of skill coming out of the Yukon.
"The future of our club is in jeopardy,” Couch said, arguing that without Sima, the territory will be without a snowboard team in future competitions.
"Snowboard Yukon is a family and Mount Sima is our home,” Couch said.
Representatives from other groups using the hill, such as the freestyle and alpine ski teams, also noted the important role the facility has for training their young skiers.
"Without Mount Sima, we can't exist,” said Lynn MacDiarmid of Freestyle Yukon.
The entire team would have been at council, she said, but five skiers were travelling to Penticton, B.C for a competition.
The hill's value in promoting healthy lifestyles was also not lost on the many speakers who came forward last night.
As well, as a number of speakers pointed out, not everybody enjoys team sports like hockey or soccer.
One parent recalled her child did two years of cross-country skiing, but then wanted to be able to do tricks. It was then they started going to Sima, and the child became involved with freestyle skiing, finding a true sports passion.
"Without Sima, we would have nothing,” said freestyle skier Callahan Guidolin.
Vanessa Brault spoke of Sima as a place where she can ski with her son – something she can see continuing well into the future.
Asher also spoke of the fun he has on the hill. He summed up his message to council with, "If Sima wasn't open, I think it would suck because everybody would be bummed.”
He went on to also note the impact on business, pointing out that businesses wouldn't make as much money because they wouldn't be able to sell ski and snowboard equipment.
While others continued to espouse the benefits of the hill, there were some critical of Sima.
Brault, for instance, pointed out the benefits Sima brings to her family, but suggested there needs to more transparency from the ski society.
If the city is to continue to fund the ski hill, the society should have to show what it has done for the entire community, Brault said.
As a season pass holder, she said she'd also like there to be a feedback form that could be filled out at the end of the year.
Jeff Kalles, who grew up in Watson Lake, took issue with how the society informed the community of the financial situation, suggesting there should be some sort of town hall to see if the public supports the funding.
While Bill Barnie voiced his disagreement mainly with the tax hike proposed and pointed to October 2012 election promises, he also noted that while he's not against Sima, the city needs to learn to live within its means.
Scott Tynner joked he was surprised to find himself agreeing with Barnie, and argued the city should focus its attention on plowing streets in the winter and garbage collection.
He also pointed out that he seemed to be OK after growing up without a ski hill to go to.
This morning, Hougen said the society is already working on a few changes after listening to last night's presentations.
An online forum is expected to be up on Sima's website (www.mountsima.com) later today where issues can be discussed. He said it's also planned to include a Frequently Asked Questions section to help get as much information to the public as possible.
A suggestion box for the board will also be added at Sima with the ideas to go directly to the board.
After last night's meeting, Coun. Betty Irwin, who was the lone councillor to vote against the society receiving the $1.3-million boost last year and $1.6 million in 2011 for the chairlift, said council and senior management will meet later this week to discuss its first step.
"We're going to talk about it,” she said, opting not to commit to a position on the latest request from the ski hill.
Irwin noted the city hasn't received a formal request in writing from the ski society.
She also noted council will have to consider how its request will impact other recreational groups, including whether this would be a level playing field for the wide range of recreational groups throughout the city.
Mayor Dan Curtis, who is in France, and Coun. Kirk Cameron were not at last night's meeting.
Comments (26)
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Atom on Mar 15, 2013 at 4:43 am
To be fair they could receive the average of what others like Mt Mac, Minor hockey, CGC, etc may get on an annual basis. What they've gotten over the past few years would need to be considered and perhaps alott annual $'s retroactively until paid up...they presently are at about 2.4 million with hat still in hand so may be eligible for funds in 10 years.
The writing may be on the wall for SIMA unless a model is built that can be sustained by it's members.
In Whitehorse that will be a stretch as this little City has no sense of itself anymore, high housing, taxes, electricity....everybody needing to make more to keep up with these inflated prices. I thought we were in a boom?
Good luck SIMA.
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Max Mack on Mar 14, 2013 at 5:33 am
No and no and no and no.
Just in case my comment wasn't clear enough for city council, NO MORE MONEY FOR MT SIMA.
Not directly or indirectly. Full stop.
FYI -- I am a long-standing Whitehorse property owner.
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Jackie Ward on Mar 14, 2013 at 3:47 am
Northone: Your opinion seems to be that of a very, very small minority. Every comment over the last few weeks on this site is against giving it more money. Can you sit there with a straight face and say that this hill is more important than essential city services? As I said before, those come first. And it's painfully obvious to anyone that whoever is running this organization has no clue what they are doing. Do we just keep throwing money at it hoping they might clean up their act and act in a financially responsible manner? No, they have proved they can't. Sima is not too big to fail. Let it close. That doesn't mean they will never be a ski hill ever again. It means someone who probably has the capital and knowhow to take it over and run it the way it should be. A private business is not a tax payers responsibility no matter how you try and spin it.
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John on Mar 14, 2013 at 12:30 am
Lived in Whitehorse and, as an outsider, one thing was very clear; there are many white collar "entrepreneurs"/criminals in Whitehorse.
Now I see familiar faces here, and a familiar setup; lots of "management"overhead with the purpose to suck out as much money as possible. May we see the books on Mount Sima please? Lets see where the money goes... accountants? wanna bet these are close friends and charge a "reasonable" fee? lemme guess $200 an hour + expenses?
This seems how Whitehorse works, and the parasitic behavior is getting worse and worse by the "companies" and the "government" all siphoning money to themselves and their close group of friends.
Good luck Whitehorse, the Yukon is fantastic, it's just the 2 legged coyotes are killing it.
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Shane on Mar 13, 2013 at 11:32 pm
shut it down already if they can't do it without tax dollars
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Arn Anderson on Mar 13, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Love it, love the entertainment value of this, I wish I was at that meeting. In my opinion, Mt Sima needs the city, the city defiantly needs Mt Sima and I need both for my dollars worth in entertainment. Just give them the money already, I mean just give it some political spin, Mt Sima will prevent terrorism and save the planet at the same time. There 2 spectrums covered, now for the undecided voter, free donuts and coffee at the hill and watch our amenties at work, done, in three years NO ONE will remember this, kinda like the KMA speedway or Woolco. Oh by the way, my comments are heavily edited, so sometimes only 50% gets thru.
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J. on Mar 13, 2013 at 9:17 am
It`s an interesting thought that a business man like Hougen is asking for more money. I wonder if he was asked whether he would invest 400k of his own money into Sima. My guess would be no, because he as a business person doesn`t see a return on it. If he did why wouldn`t he take the opportunity to privatize the business like the SS Klondike tours.
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Northone on Mar 13, 2013 at 9:13 am
Ok, let me get this straight - Takhini Arena, the Games Centre were built by government and are operationally funded by the city but that's ok (Mt. Mac has also received City money in the past, not sure if they still are).
But Sima, they have to stand on their own two feet without support and somehow turn a profit in a town of less than 30,000?
Hypocrisy. Sima is recreational infrastructure as important to Whitehorse as any other facility. We all pay for facilities we don't personally use. Losing Sima would diminish Whitehorse immeasurably.
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Ridiculous on Mar 13, 2013 at 8:43 am
BIG FAT NO. That is what Cow needs to give as an answer. Our tax dollars are wasted on leisure activities and the necessities are being neglected!
We have inefficient bus routes, roads in need of repair constantly as we live in an area prone to permafrost, etc...
Why not just tell SIMA no, turn around, and invest the money they requested into something this city actually needs, such as proper addictions programs and mental illness assistance. If we put the amount of money being requested here into this we would see a drastic decrease in emergency room attendance and maybe free up some doctors to attend to others in need. Or hell just put the money into gettin more doctors in the Yukon.
ANYTHING else would be more admiral than giving the money to SIMA.
To the Snowboard and Ski clubs. Seriously???? SIMA is the only place you can go? Have you been to the Haines Summit or even the Skagway Summit? Look around you we are surrounded by what??? MOUNTAINS. There are plenty of other places to go, just rent some skidoos and take turns towing each other to the top.
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Jackie Ward on Mar 13, 2013 at 7:36 am
Wow. Thank you Jennifer for pointing out something very important. It is a conflict of interest. Hougen stands to lose money if the hill closes. This needs to end right now.
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flyingfur on Mar 13, 2013 at 5:47 am
Sorry...did I read that right? Sima is there asking for about 1/2 million bucks and the mayor is not at the meeting? WTH?
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Lindsay Heynen on Mar 13, 2013 at 5:19 am
Maybe focus should be turned to Watson Lake. They have a ski hill and it could become a weekend destination for families. Thus bringing more business to Watson Lake and then the City won't have to worry about supporting SIMA. It is sad that so much money has been spent already but it should be time for the City to cut its losses
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trail user on Mar 13, 2013 at 5:13 am
I wonder how much money Don Swanstrom gets for grooming the Swanstrom trail out behind Mary Lake subdivision with his cross country ski tracking groomer, behind his own skidoo? I supsect he gets nothing. He has been providing that track for at least 14 years. I also know that Hans Gatt and others (don't know who, have not seen them out there) have groomed the Mary Lake to Aligator Lake trail (about 75 miles round trip), for years in order to run dogs. This trail system is also used by walkers and skiers. How much money do they get? Absolutely zero, not even a tank of gas.
The downhill skiers need to take a different approach here. They have received an enormous amount of money already, and need to start spending within their means - meaning spending within what they bring in.
Six managers?
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CJ on Mar 13, 2013 at 5:05 am
It's a bit of a schmozzle, isn't it? If Sima went to YTG would it raise such a fuss? The last money came to Sima from YG via the city. I can't pretend to understand it.
I'd like to see both Canada Games Center and Sima funded directly from YTG. Ever since the multiplex went up it feels like the city's out of its depth financially, whining about how they can't afford to plow streets while that center inhales money like crack.
Condos instead of the hill is kind of a ridiculous idea, with all due respect. Plaster the land with dwellings and nothing else to do. That's not planning a city, that's pandering.
That Mount Sima can't be self-supporting speaks more to the reality of making a go in the private sector in the Yukon vs. the hype, Which private companies doing tours of the dredge and SS Klondike are about to become familiar with.
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J. on Mar 13, 2013 at 3:59 am
I think Sima is great to have, however it's not a need for most people, including myself. At the end of the day, from a business standpoint either we have the wrong people leading the business, or we have a business that has no future and needs to be closed. Businesses should never expect a bail out when they need or want it. The reality is businesses that are well run and have a market will succeed. The ones that aren't well... they close!
If they believe their business plans of a all year revenue will generate enough income to become sustaining. Go to a bank, I'm sure they would jump at a opportunity to lend money out to business plans that WILL MAKE MONEY....
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Frank Windstorm on Mar 13, 2013 at 3:50 am
I think this facility has to make a go it on its own.
If it goes under I would be interested in buying it for the chalet's potential. It may seem a little harsh but with all the acquisitions, all the hype it simply has had enough public funding. I have seen the parking lot, the people on the lift, I have paid for lift tickets- it should make money.
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Jennifer Smith on Mar 13, 2013 at 12:59 am
Doesn't anyone find it a bit of a conflict of interest that Craig Hougen, owner of Coast Mtn. Sports, Board Stiff and Sportslife, is trying to get city money to run this ski hill? There are other needs in this city that should come before running this ski hill, including affordable housing, the food bank, and helping the Poverty Coalition. Let's help the people who really need it.
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Follow the money on Mar 12, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Follow the money.
Craig is clearly protecting his business interests. Without the ski hill he stands to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars each year from businesses he owns directly and those he makes money off indirectly through leases.
How much money has his business contributed to Sima?
There is no other rec sport in Whitehorse getting propped up by CoW. Just imagine what Whitehorse minor hockey, minor soccer, baseball, softball, curling or golf could do with that kind of money.
The day of reckoning has arrived for Sima. Sink or swim on your own.
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Jackie Ward on Mar 12, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Thoughts? Everyone who showed up to support this failed ski hill, please give your head a shake. Our roads can't be cleared. Buses serve no one. Taxes going up every year for the last 10 years with nothing to show for it. I'm sorry, but in the real world, ESSENTIAL CITY SERVICES should come first. But they don't anymore. Sticking country residential residents with unfair tax increases because the city administration is too busy giving themselves raises and not doing their job. A ski hill is a luxury, not an essential service.
Anyways, LET IT CLOSE. Nobody cares. People are having a hard enough time keeping food on the table. I would rather see 3 million dollars go to the humane society. As they actually do something admiral. People struggling are not thinking about your little failed experiment. Just admit that's all this is. Fake business plans which lead nowhere. 6 managers. Yup, 6 managers. Gee, do you have one at each door or something? Wow, where does the incompetence end and the responsibility begin? Why is Whitehorse turning into this? Everything is ass backwards. And I don't just mean this ski hill. And the only time people stand up and demand something is when their leisure time might be affected.
Hey, look out your window. Do you see that? They are called mountains and hills. They are free. No 6 managers. No funding. Wow, imagine that eh? Too bad that many people didn't show up to city hall to demand our taxes stop going up with all the services being cut year after year. Funny we never had all these problems years ago. I want my old Whitehorse back.
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On The Hook on Mar 12, 2013 at 11:51 am
The disregard and entitlement on SIMA's behalf is astounding.
We have a council working on a budget - making tough decisions such as closing the Games center on statuatory holidays - and SIMA comes last minute for more money? They don't even know how much they owe at the moment? So we throw more money at this problem?
SIMA is simply more grandiose than its users true support.
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north_of_60 on Mar 12, 2013 at 10:57 am
NO more public money for the ski hill.
Enough is enough.
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Elitist's pound sand on Mar 12, 2013 at 10:44 am
Shawn you asked for thoughts, here are mine.
CoW is not a bank, nor are the tax payers whom fund the CoW loan sharks/piggy banks.
Mt Sima needs to be terraced and build some more condos for the condo fanatics that just miss Toronto so much...many feel it need be replicated here. Enough of the insanity feeding special interest groups from the trough of OUR FREAKING money CoW...dig?
Failing the condo plan, reclamation is suggested to appease the epic volume of greenies we are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over represented with. Imagine eh..a win win for both realists AND greenies!
All steel removed, buildings razed,trails tilled and concrete removed. Restoring such a big piece of dirt trying to replicate how it was back before humans did what they do, new grasses, new indigenous plants/shrubbery planted with ZERO human traffic allowed on it.
Just to pay homage to all the freeze dried AND new-age hippies we can use it as a kinda "mini Peel" training grounds? Using it as a test bed to see how the reality of modern living and fantasy of delusional environmentalists work in the "real" world.
I say no human traffic because the outdoors crews are so polarized they will never agree...so nobody crush the weeds but critters.
Of course locking up the entire mountain is sarcasm (for those without a meter) but the point is....NO...ENOUGH...NOT a FREAKING CHANCE...
Using the alleged logic of the society and their lobbyist's...
seems there has been a big fuss about ATV's and sleds, ORV's etc with many unhappy about all the "hooligans" whipping around town causing/getting into mischief.
That said...maybe we need a motorsports mega plex more than a ski hill?
Seems like a HEAP more folks sled than ski. More dirt bikes and ATV's then zip line freaks. Picking up what I'm putting down?
I sled not...ski not...ORV not...zip on the zip, I do however hike and snowshoe lots. Not because I'm a greenie zealot but because I like the workout and it is quiet.
I stand firm on my "thoughts" I after pounding this out (factoring my sarcasm) I just convinced myself doing so...that if we really cannot stop the trough feeding from SIG's...then my mega-plex motorsports park is needed much more than a ski hill.
Shawn (if posted) how was that for a thought or two?
*Star...please remove nary a vowel on this one. Context is everything, if ya don't dig it...toss it...but that would blow more chunks than being cut. I'm fed the hell up with Sima*
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June Jackson on Mar 12, 2013 at 10:21 am
The last council got voted out for constantly jacking up taxes and spending beyond our means. The City does not need SIMA, it caters to a limited interest group. And now they want 400k tax payers dollars AND a guaranteed annual influx of taxpayer money.
Close the doors..this is not a viable business. This council keeps jacking our taxes and we'll be singing happy trails to you too.
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Enough Already! on Mar 12, 2013 at 9:53 am
Does this mean my $2500 property tax bill will start entitling me to a free Mt.Sima pass, a free city bus pass, free Canada Games Center pass, and free memberships and passes to everything else that special interest groups have conned city hall into making me pay for simply because I own a home in Whitehorse?
And this after Hougen said last year would be the final time the ski hill went begging the city for money. Enough Already!
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Shawn Hamilton on Mar 12, 2013 at 8:53 am
Tell you what - I do not want to see the ski hill fail - even though I do not use it myself. However, I do not believe COW should pay for it - in turn causing a 1% property tax increase.
Why doesn't the city help GNSS out and provide a short term loan, and a fair interest rate and payment schedule?
I think this would make a decent compromise - help the GNSS, while not raising property taxes - and still creating marginal revenue to the COW.
Thoughts?!
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not impressed on Mar 12, 2013 at 8:28 am
I cannot afford to send my child to any Sima Spring Camps nor to the ski hill for the day. Sima does not need more of our tax money, put the money into accessible programs.