Photo by Whitehorse Star
Rod Taylor and Coun. Mike Gladish
Photo by Whitehorse Star
Rod Taylor and Coun. Mike Gladish
Many Whitehorse residents have pledged their support to Mount Sima, committing to buy 650 season passes.
Many Whitehorse residents have pledged their support to Mount Sima, committing to buy 650 season passes.
Despite that, Mayor Dan Curtis said Tuesday he doesn't expect the city will be putting any more cash into the beleaguered ski hill.
In an interview after Tuesday evening's council meeting, Curtis emphasized the city just doesn't have the resources to contribute more money to reopen the facility.
As it stands, the city isn't expecting to recover the nearly $200,000 it provided to pay off the debt on the hill's quad chairlift and have the title transferred to the city.
Initially, it had been anticipated the territory, which originally offered to pay off the chairlift should the hill reopen this winter, would reimburse the city.
Last night, however, an agreement came forward to council which would see the territory transfer another nearly $200,000 to the city that would instead go to paying off debts the hill has to local vendors.
As Curtis explained, the money would go to the city because the city owns the land which is leased to the Great Northern Ski Society (GNSS). That group has operated the hill since it opened in 1993 (though it missed one year of operation).
Coun. Mike Gladish stressed it's important to acknowledge with the agreement to be voted on next week, two levels of government are helping to "bail out” the ski hill from its debts.
They are doing so with nearly $400,000 in total – with almost $200,000 being approved from each the city and territory to pay off debts.
The numbers on the season pass commitments was not released until this morning in a statement from a group of volunteers who have been working to have the hill reopened for the winter season.
Mount Sima closed in July (during the second year of summer operations for an adventure park) amid financial woes that became evident during the spring.
Initially, city officials said they wouldn't provide financial assistance requested by the GNSS. Council subsequently voted to pay off the chairlift debt.
While a new group of volunteers has come forward with a goal of reopening for the winter season, the current GNSS board is focused on paying off the debts.
Board secretary Lee Vincent said Tuesday efforts are continuing.
Along with getting the chairlift and local debts paid off, there are also negotiations happening with WildPlay on the 10-year lease which had been signed for the summer adventure park.
This morning, Rod Taylor, a volunteer with the new group, described the response to the season pass commitment as "tremendous.”
The 650 season pass commitments (which offer a reduced rate on passes) compares to a total of 210 sold last season.
Volunteers began seeking the commitments in early August, setting a Sept. 1 deadline for residents to make their pledge (with money to be collected only if the hill reopens), in an effort to gauge community support for the hill.
"Not only have people come forward to purchase passes, many have also committed to make a donation to help with expenses this winter,” said Tyler Nichol, another volunteer.
More than $40,000 has been committed so far in the form of both passes and donations.
While the initial Sept. 1 deadline has passed for the campaign, Taylor said volunteers have decided to continue the pledge effort until the end of the month in the hopes of having commitments made to purchase 800 season passes.
Another $55,000 has been committed in the form of corporate sponsorships from local businesses.
"Several new sponsors have come on board, and we hope to encourage current sponsors to continue their support,” Taylor said.
Despite financial commitments totalling $95,000, volunteers say they will need more government support to reopen.
"We encourage both levels of government – the city and the Yukon government – to get on board in supporting operations in 2013,” Nichol said.
It's expected a business plan will come forward to both the city and territory in the "coming days.”
"Opening Mount Sima requires a partnership between the public, businesses and the government,” said Taylor, who is hoping for an initial closed-door meeting with council members to brief them on the situation.
"Sima is a vital part of the winter recreation scene in Yukon. We really only have days left to make a decision to open. We need a last big push, and then bring on the snow.”
As council members noted last night though, both levels of government have already chipped in $200,000 each for the hill.
Along with working on raising the cash for the facilituy to reopen and continue operations, the current GNSS board and the new volunteer group focused on reopening have reached an agreement-in-principle that would make the hill available to operate this winter, and discussions for that are continuing.
"We have made significant progress on two key pieces to the reopening of the hill,” Taylor said.
"We cannot say today though that the hill will be open this season. We need the continued support of the public and also the support of the government – the city and the Yukon government.”
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yukoner on Sep 9, 2013 at 6:52 am
LOL haveanidea the last thing I am is Nimby and I'm fine with the CGC and yes I could do without shelters and welfare unless you are a single parent and yes youth programs are needed but the ski hill is not needed as the tax payers have spoken and for your Idea people are not going to buy a house next to sima with strata fee tied to it that was my point.
And you to have a nice day.
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haveanidea on Sep 8, 2013 at 11:30 pm
@Yukoner
At least Its an Idea...the world doesn't run on negative temper tantrums and mud slinging. Where would we be as a society if we all had the Nimby-glass half-empty attitude? I guess places like shelters, and youth programs shouldn't be funded cause you don't use them. I imagine your head exploded when CGC was built eh?
p.s I'm not a skier, just a human being. have a great day!
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Just Say'in on Sep 8, 2013 at 4:25 pm
What a joke. Dissolve it and walk away. Never should have replaced the old lift. It was just a community hill and all it ever would have been. People won't pay big money to ski there. They will just jump on Air North for a couple hundred bucks and go to Kelowna, Vancouver or Calgary to the real resorts. There is something about when you tie boards to your feet you expect somebody else to pay for your recreation. All the hating on the ATV and Snowmobile guys on here, but I don't see them coming to council looking for a donation for their recreation.
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Clive Wailing on Sep 5, 2013 at 1:56 pm
More of the same from GNSS. Didn't I predict earlier that if they got a whiff of money they would not dissolve? While I applaud the 650 people who "committed" for a reduced cost pass - taxpayers had said NO MORE MONEY. What part of NO MORE TAXDOLLARS do skiers not understand? If it so vital to them, then put their money where their mouth is - at 650 people they need to put in $770 to raise $500K - compared to golf memberships this seems reasonable.
As I said before, this was not a survey but a petition. A survey would enable those of us who DON'T wish more money to go into Sima to vote. 650 people out of 20,000+ in Whitehorse does not constitute a resounding support of Sima.
Sadly, I believe June Jackson's comments are true: when I wrote something similar the Star censored it and did not post it.
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non skier on Sep 5, 2013 at 10:36 am
This is what is troubling to me, GNSS said it cost 3 million for a new chair lift, they rec'd 3 million for the new chair lift BUT there is still an outstanding $190,000.00 left owing, why??
GNSS asked at the town hall meeting for $400,000.00 to pay off their bills and employees wages, the City and Yukon Government paid $390,000.00, so there should be only $10,000.00 left owing to creditors BUT GNSS is still trying to sell off equipment that far exceed $10,000.00, Why??
"Current GNSS board and the new volunteer group focused on reopening have reached an agreement-in-principle" Why is GNSS still active with Mt Sima?? The new volunteer group need to distance themselves from GNSS as a lot of people feel they (GNSS) can't be trusted. The new volunteer group need to start from scratch including employees.
GNSS paid their managers comparable wages to other ski hills managers. Mt Sima cannot be compared to other ski hills, Whitehorse, Yukon has different climate, shorter days, small population to draw from, the lowest snowfall for the Yukon, and it's a small ski hill. I am pretty sure Grouse Mountain does not think Mt Sima is a comparable ski hill.
Before anyone gets my support, GNSS needs to disappear for good and the new volunteer group need to be open and honest with the public. Show everyone what they are starting with and produce a plan to keep Mt Sima operating well into the future, do that and they might have a chance.
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Robert on Sep 5, 2013 at 7:16 am
I would like to start off with this quote from Rod Taylor "The 650 season pass commitments (which offer a reduced rate on passes)" Well congratulations! But you need to explain what constitutes a reduced rate, how much of a reduction was it? Why would this be offered then once again ask the CoW and YTG for more money? If these people that are committed to using Mt. Sima why should they get a deal on seasons passes? The average taxpayer has to make up the difference in income when we don't care if the ski hill ever opens again! There are once again more questions than answers regarding the Mt. Sima debate.
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yukoner on Sep 5, 2013 at 3:39 am
haveanidea ?????? read the story.The city owns the land and you have a dumb idea.
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haveanidea on Sep 4, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Can we not apply the phrase the COW so freely tosses around here "they do it in other jurisdictions down south” And perhaps open up some land for condo/ski cabin developments? Have a Strata-funding run hill? Every ski hill I've ever used down south is mainly funded this way. Why can't we do that here? Not sure who owns the land around the hill, whether its crown or FN, but either way maybe an opportunity. Even at 50 lots x $400.00/month strata fees x 12 months…do the math it's a substantial sum. Or maybe the COW can use the funds they raise from the stupid Bus tax, I mean fines. LOL
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Max Mack on Sep 4, 2013 at 3:09 pm
I'm glad CoW didn't fall for the sell job. 650 "pledges" mean nothing. When push comes to shove, how many of those "pledges" will actually materialize?
As the say, money talks and BS walks.
Good try, but not nearly enough.
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OMG on Sep 4, 2013 at 10:24 am
... They have zero credibility ... Who's who with these various parties doing this and that ... More scam than anything real ... The current Board needs to dissolve ... A new group officially form (no old Board members) ... Put together a serious business plan that shows sustainability and then maybe then the majority of citizens will be willing to be supportive ... Until then no one has any belief or trust in who's doing what.
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Barb Dawson on Sep 4, 2013 at 9:37 am
Mr. Taylor, what is the population of Whitehorse, around 30 000? And you have 650 promises of season passes? Well, you have about 20 000 more promises to go, to claim that Mount Sima is a vital part of the winter recreational scene. Good luck!
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June Jackson on Sep 4, 2013 at 8:04 am
GNSS said..give us the money or we're disbanding and won't open Sima.. So..we gave them the money, and we have GNSS back at the table asking for more money..as far as I know there were no agreements in place that would insure GNSS would NOT incur more debt. So really, all they have to do is run up more dept, and next spring, City and Gov will pay that off for them.. an endless cycle. Although, I think our Mayor and our Premier agreed on this outcome a long long time ago.
Has anyone from Government or City verified 650 commitments?
I would disagree with Mr. Taylor.. I do not feel that Sima is a vital part of the winter recreation scene.. its nothing but a money pit with very little return on dollar. I do however, think the decisions are already made and any protest anyone makes, nor how many protest, will not influence that.
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yukoner on Sep 4, 2013 at 7:53 am
It's nice to here about all the support they have which is in the form of a pledge. this is still not enough money to run the hill for one season and there is no guarantee they will ever get the 650 people to buy the passes.
I don't want to see another penny of tax money spent on this ski hill so it would make more sense to leave it closed as the majority of the public has not come forward in support.
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Scott Holmes on Sep 4, 2013 at 7:16 am
Congratulations to the new board, the 650 who have committed to passes for the upcoming year and the new sponsors. This is a great start, but it could be better if the actual pass price was increased to a level equal to that of a golf pass, which is approximately $800 per season. This would provide over $500k of income and alleviate the problem of BIG TAXPAYER ASK. Taxpayers, be it through the City or Yukon Government, have clearly spoken against any further tax dollars for Sima. Taxes are meant to pay for essential services for ALL citizens, i.e. schools, roads, sewers, etc., not a few who desire a specific service (and yes, under 1000 is a few). Also, Sima does not contribute to tourism or any other business, so get off of that soapbox too. User pay is the only way this, or any future, or any past recreational service should be approached. Good luck on your goals.