
Photo by Vince Fedoroff
FRUSTRATIONS CONTINUE – Hans Oettli, the owner of Duffy’s Pets, has seen long-term, substantial drops in revenue since the Whitehorse Emergency Shelter (background) opened next door.
Photo by Vince Fedoroff
FRUSTRATIONS CONTINUE – Hans Oettli, the owner of Duffy’s Pets, has seen long-term, substantial drops in revenue since the Whitehorse Emergency Shelter (background) opened next door.
Photo by Vince Fedoroff
STAFF READY FOR CHALLENGES – Robyn Gillespie, the operations manager of Big Bear Wine & Liquor, says staff undergo special training to manage the volatile situations that arise with shelter clients.
The Yukon government’s safety plan for the Whitehorse Emergency Shelter has garnered mixed reactions from nearby businesses.
The Yukon government’s safety plan for the Whitehorse Emergency Shelter has garnered mixed reactions from nearby businesses.
“It makes a lot of promises, has a lot of ideas in it, but unfortunately, nothing has materialized really that makes any difference,” Hans Oettli, owner of Duffy’s Pets, told the Star Thursday.
The Community Safety Plan was released June 30 after several months of interviews, surveys and consultation.
The plan has four priorities: ensuring safety of shelter guests; enhancing the shelter’s governance; creating a safe and harmonious neighbourhood for clients, residents and neighbouring businesses; and enabling better access to services.
The third priority was set in response to widespread reports of violent and disruptive behaviour among those who gather outside the Alexander Street shelter.
Last summer, Oettli told the Star his customers were tormented while entering and exiting his store and were increasingly afraid to visit. He estimated a 35 per cent loss of revenue to the situation.
Speaking Thursday, Oettli said the situation hasn’t improved.
“For a year now, I’ve been trying to settle this in a nice way, but you just get ignored,” Oettli said.
Oettli said he is considering suing the Yukon government for compensation for lost revenue due to the mishandling of the shelter.
“What am I supposed to do?” Oettli asked.
“They don’t want to resort to compensation that we’re going to be asking for if this continues. We’re going to end up in a legal battle, with more businesses from this area and private people, and they’re going to have a lawsuit on their plates,” he said, referring to the government.
Robyn Gillespie, the operations manager of Big Bear Wine & Liquor, told the Star Thursday she hopes shelter guests will receive better support as a result of the safety plan.
Big Bear Wine & Liquor is uniquely affected by its proximity to the shelter, as staff serve shelter guests every day.
“I find it really humanizing to be able to see these people,” Gillespie said.
“Being able to interact with and communicate with them, they’re just people who haven’t gotten the help that they need.”
Big Bear staff receive specific training to help them work with volatile clientele.
“There’s definitely some dangerous situations, situations where staff have felt unsafe,” Gillespie said.
“A big part of our training is making sure people feel comfortable in that position, because you’re dealing with vulnerable populations.
“For the most part, when there are incidents, those people will come back when they’re sober and apologize.”
Big Bear staff have established an informal relationship with shelter employees, Gillespie said.
“It’s the Yukon, so you get to know people and have conversations,” she said.
“I think we all want the same thing for those people – for them to be healthy and well.”
Gillespie said she was not consulted on the Safety Plan nor informed of its release, but agreed with some of the key action items suggested for creating a harmonious neighbourhood.
One action item recommends exploring security services and a neighbourhood watch program.
“At Big Bear, we have a unique outlook on that, because we have cameras that face that way and all the time RCMP are coming to us for camera footage,” Gillespie said.
“It would be so much more efficient and preemptive to have someone there to prevent the incident in the first place – there are always five cop cars, or nothing.”
Oettli noted that the government has broached the idea of shelter security for several months, but action hasn’t been taken.
Gillespie also agreed with a recommendation for a point-of-contact to report shelter incidents.
“We definitely utilize the non-emergency line a lot, so if there was a specific person overseeing all of those incidents that would be helpful; a lot of the time it’s going to a dispatcher who is not really aware of the situation,” Gillespie said.
The first two action items recommend a communication strategy to build relationships in the community. It also suggests the planning of a community barbecue.
“I think it is really good to get people communicating with each other, and not just seeing (shelter guests) as a problem population … it’s a matter of actually engaging people,” Gillespie said.
Oettli called the plan for a barbecue a “slap in the face,” and suggested that government staff are out of touch with the realities of the shelter.
“I would offer to place my motorhome across the street for anyone who would like to spend a week here, to live and look and experience what’s happening,” Oettli said.
Oettli said he was interviewed by a consultant working on the Safety Plan. Since the plan was released, he has reviewed it extensively.
“There’s not really anything in there that points out how they’re going to fix things, it’s all just recognition of the problems,” Oettli said.
The store owner would like to see the shelter divided into several smaller facilities.
“If you disperse it into smaller pods, away from one central place, it’s easier to handle than this,” Oettli said.
“What’s here is costing a tremendous amount of money and resources, RCMP here several times a day, an ambulance, that costs an unbelievable amount of money.
“...Some of these people are very aggressive. I try not to fight anymore, but eventually, something might happen.”
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Comments (28)
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TMYK on Jul 23, 2020 at 11:23 am
@ Common Sense
Here are some more facts for you:
There is no Yukon Conservative Party. The Yukon Party or mostly right leaning Liberals. The Yukon Liberal Party are basically NDP and the Yukon NDP's are irrelevant.
This is the only location the City of Whitehorse would let the building be built.
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Dentist on Jul 22, 2020 at 9:05 pm
One of the problems is the fact that off sale premises are allowed to sell from nine in the morning until two in the morning. On a per capita basis, we consume the most alcohol in Canada. Why the government can't equate these two facts is beyond me. There are basically two demographics at play here, and one is consuming far more alcohol than the other and until this is addressed, the current situation will not change.
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Common Sense on Jul 22, 2020 at 10:11 am
Facts
The Con government of the day chose the location.
The unfortunate folks that represent pretty much all racial backgrounds are a reflection on how poorly our society deals with social issues. It is a reflection of the people we choose to elect to lead our governments.
Is the programing perfect, probably not, are they trying new ways of dealing with old social problems, yes, it will take time, this situation did not develop over night.
Regardless of what the present government does, the right wing knuckle draggers will not be happy,
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Doug Easley on Jul 22, 2020 at 9:58 am
For all those blaming the previous government - this building was built as a replacement to the dilapidated Salvation Army. Of course it should have gone somewhere else. But you don't see any of the NIMBYs in town offering up their backyards.
A shelter is always going to be a problem. But it was built with the presumption that it was going to stay run by the Salvation Army - as a shelter, with rules.
When the new government decided they could do better, and took it over, that's when the major problems started. They turned it into a low-barrier free-for-all. It was decided that people must not be helped to overcome their addictions, but rather that government would just provide them the opportunity to continue drinking and fighting and fornicating in public. Because otherwise would be "discriminatory". So point your blame to the Liberals who created a social gathering place for drunks rather than a safe-haven for people needing a boost. That is where your blame should lie.
Until they put "no alcohol" rules back in place, it is going to continue to be a nasty sore on the city.
Perhaps KDFN could offer up some space and they could re-build and re-purpose the building? Perhaps YG could re-jig their idea of what a shelter is supposed to be. A lot of solutions, but no one will do anything for fear of being called discriminatory. But s&*t is getting bad there.
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Anonymous on Jul 22, 2020 at 8:34 am
Trying to pick up anything from Big Bear was quite the experience. I truly enjoy their food. When I went the last time, there were eight young adults from the shelter sitting that walked over and sat on the wood parking lot barriers to visit. That would have been fine if they didn't shout out bullying, threatening, mean and degrading things to me as I walked to my truck.
When I tried to go to Duffy's a few months later, it was the same thing. I have witnessed many fights and assaults right in front of the building early in the day. I guess Big Bear does not like to acknowledge they are losing business from some people who do not want to be harassed or feel very unsafe going to their business. At least business from the other clientele. I feel bad for Duffy's. I would definitely go there more often if I knew I could safely do so.
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Patti Eyre on Jul 21, 2020 at 4:46 pm
Let's move this shelter to one of the huge church lots in town, of which there are MANY, who don't pay property taxes and who have some of the best locations around! As a Christian woman, I believe the church can help! Don't you?
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Guncache on Jul 20, 2020 at 7:14 pm
A BBQ? That's a typical liberal response. Larry can get his picture taken. I've seen local bbq's and the dregs that show up
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A friend of shelter on Jul 20, 2020 at 7:07 pm
Maybe go see what's happening inside the building before commenting about the outside.
I see them helping so many people.
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TheHammer on Jul 20, 2020 at 1:25 pm
It's good to know there's a shelter, good to know there's a social safety net. I may have a need for both myself someday. There are no simple overnight solutions to the social breakdown of our society. Are you happy, do you have positive intimate social relations, are you married, are you working at the career of your choice, do you have a spiritual/religious orientation that lifts you out of the mundane rut and gives meaning to your life? If yes, consider yourself fortunate.
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One One-Lesser-Voice on Jul 20, 2020 at 12:52 pm
Why not move the meal program somewhere else and maintain scale back at that location.
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Moe on Jul 20, 2020 at 12:26 pm
For all the faults of the Salvation Army, at least they held the clients to basic standards of decency. As with all groups, its probably a minority causing all the trouble. The current staff is incompetent at dealing with these people. Hire staff who know how to control the place. How much is this Romper Room costing us compared to the old Sally Ann?
Remember when the big issue was that the Sally Ann was supposedly religious and wasn't delivering all the 'programming for the clients'? So they booted out people who had experience and installed government workers who seem completely unable to deal with the nature of this business. The new solution seems to be just throw more money at it and that will fix things. It won't work. You need staff who can roll with the punches and who have the integrity, experience, toughness and genuine caring and understanding to work with this clientele. It's a vocation, not just a govvy job. A fancy building can't make up for human ambiguity / skill set. That's the heart of what's going wrong. We need to drop our egos, put up with the religious BS if necessary, and get the Sally Ann crew back in there, imperfect as they were.
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Oya on Jul 20, 2020 at 10:25 am
Whitehorse culture. So sad. Drunks (and probably crackheads) everywhere... condoned, supported and enabled by the government. I feel so bad for anyone with a house within 5 blocks of that place. And yes, Duffy's, sue the government for your losses. What a sh** show. What a disgrace to the community.
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Rolf on Jul 19, 2020 at 5:06 pm
The "Yukon Party" broke it. The Yukon "Liberals" will fix it.
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@Moose on Jul 19, 2020 at 4:13 pm
You can’t really blame the Yukon Party for building it there when that was the only location the City of Whitehorse would allow it to be built. It also ran much better while the Salvation Army ran it even if it wasn’t perfect. It was way better than the mess the Liberals and the Department of Health created.
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Jayne W on Jul 19, 2020 at 2:55 pm
@Moose, the Salvation Army building was always there, same parking lot as Big Bear. The Gov't just built a new facility across the road. So that argument really is not valid. Not saying a business can't put in what they want but the Gov't gave this business a liquor licence, and COW had the zoning correct for this place. Big Bear knew exactly what market they were targeting.
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Salt on Jul 18, 2020 at 11:24 pm
Hans, if you go forward with a lawsuit start a GoFundMe. I would happily contribute. The delusional idealogues behind this care nothing for the productive, law abiding, taxpayers in town. They won’t do the right thing unless they are forced to.
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Moose on Jul 18, 2020 at 10:00 pm
@Edie Rue
I agree with what you are saying for the most part, but to be fair, the Big Bear liquor store had its license BEFORE the Yukon Party decided to put the shelter in its current location a rock's throw away from them. Ultimately there were many better locations in my opinion, but the owner of the land really wanted to sell it and there were no private sector buyers, so his buddies in the Yukon Party rescued him by putting the shelter there. But that's just my opinion.
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Reality on Jul 18, 2020 at 1:34 pm
Mr. Oellti is absolutely right about this costing him his business. I've stopped going, tired of the people yelling at each other or fighting, the ridiculously obvious drug dealing, and people grinding me for money.
Whatever happened to the idea of programs for the users of the shelter? You know, teach them something - heck, just play movies for entertainment.
Where are the long promised security personnel? Give citizens some sense of safety and order, or just declare it a no-go zone for the rest of society. Although most people have already done this for themselves.
It's a real shame for business owners who established themselves only to lose their customers to this blight.
A BBQ won't fix any of this but I hope the residents will enjoy the burgers.
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Bizzaro on Jul 18, 2020 at 12:02 pm
This is asinine. Many of these people are supposed to be supervised by a Bail Supervisor or Probation Officer. Many of these people have not been given a Dangerous Offender designation but nevertheless are dangerous offenders. If I were a shop owner next door I would not engage them or fight with them. Not only would you be susceptible to physical injury, vandalism or a communicable disease you would likely imperil a police officer’s livelihood or life as it is most certain they would also be complained against, sued or assaulted.
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thumbs down on Jul 17, 2020 at 8:30 pm
I'd have sued the government a year ago. I feel very badly for the business owners and home owners within 2 blocks of this place.
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drum on Jul 17, 2020 at 8:18 pm
This a disgrace in our town. Drunken fights, god knows what else on the pavement outside the Shelter now we have benches with high backs to hide fighting and fornication in broad daylight. I cannot believe that the business owners in the area have been so patient waiting for Frost and her crew to do something. The safety plan does nothing for the actual taxpayers -only the GUESTS who are rowdy and criminals. The taxpayers of this town are paying for this nonsense. Police, EMS daily attending to this disturbing bunch of drunks and drug addicts enjoying welfare that hard working taxpayers pay for. Something has to be done by this Government now.
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One One-Lesser-Voice on Jul 17, 2020 at 6:57 pm
We turned from the glass repair business onto the street in front of the shelter this week.
Someone was walking down the street in front of us totally oblivious to vehicle traffic. PLEASE do not feed or let drunk people or people on drugs near to or in the shelter; this would benefit many people who run businesses or visit businesses in the area.
This social experiment is among the worst I have seen in a Canadian City and I understand what Duffeys is going through. I hope there is a solution that does not force a business or businesses to have to go through a court action for compensation.
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drum on Jul 17, 2020 at 6:07 pm
I do not understand how the owner of Duffys has been so taking the sh*t for so long. His revenue has been down and his customers have been harassed on a daily basis. He should be suing - he should have done this as soon as the YG took over the "Shelter". That building and the corner are a disgrace. Our East Hastings in Whitehorse. The Police and Social Workers can do nothing!!!!!!
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charles Meyer on Jul 17, 2020 at 5:28 pm
That's a real nice Idea from Gillespie to have a BBQ for these lost People.
But since they are her best and propably only Customers, she can pay for it herself.
It is so called give back to the Comunity. LOL
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JC on Jul 17, 2020 at 4:55 pm
Yeah, let's invite them for a barbecue. That oughta do it. And I'm sure a good part of Gillespie's liquor business depends on the bread and breakfast guests, so she will support any government plan to keep it at that location. I've said this before, move the place somewhere else. That location will never, I repeat never be appropriate place regardless of any kind of plan the government invents. Move it to the industrial area. The FN have several acres just sitting there doing nothing. It's time government started paying more attention to the neighbours and business owners. Read my lips Yukon Liberal government, move it.
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Groucho d'North on Jul 17, 2020 at 4:16 pm
Again the litany of what YG wants to do to be seen to be dealing with this situation: "The plan has four priorities: ensuring safety of shelter guests; enhancing the shelter’s governance; creating a safe and harmonious neighbourhood for clients, residents and neighbouring businesses; and enabling better access to services."
Perhaps it's time to focus on helping these 'guests' with their demons of booze and drugs? Do something tangible to make a positive difference. There have been enough fancy words that at the end of the day are meaningless - enhancing the shelter’s governance; what does this mean in plain English? You want more power and control over the guests? To what purpose? The failure began when the Salvation Army got removed from the organization and it has slumped lower ever since.
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MB on Jul 17, 2020 at 3:48 pm
Just get it out of the downtown core. It's disgusting and only enables addiction.
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edie rue on Jul 17, 2020 at 3:40 pm
Big Beer Staff find it "Humanizing" in interacting with "These" people. Oh boy!
In my opinion, Big Beer is a significant contributor to the problem. It's clear that alcohol use in the area is high, and one of the contributing factors to high alcohol use is access to alcohol. I went into Big Beer one time, and they asked for my points number. Apparently, you get points for your purchase and can use towards further purchases. I feel there is something wrong and unjust with an incentive-driven alcohol business whom is placed near an emergency shelter where alcohol use is high and very dangerous. Don't get me wrong, I am all for safe alcohol sales, but this just seems greasy.