Riverdale traffic woes will see mayor hop a city bus
Mayor Dan Curtis is planning to take at least one vehicle out of Riverdale's daily traffic congestion.
Mayor Dan Curtis is planning to take at least one vehicle out of Riverdale's daily traffic congestion.
Curtis, a long-time resident of Riverdale, said this morning he's committed to start taking the bus. It's advice he's also issuing to many who are complaining about traffic volumes in and out of Riverdale every day.
Traffic delays were the major issue which arose among the 20 residents who attended a town hall meeting for the area Wednesday night.
Curtis acknowledged there's more traffic than there was 15 years ago, when he bought his home, but it's not unreasonable, he said.
Many have argued the new lights installed at Hospital Road and Lewes Boulevard earlier this year are slowing traffic down.
The mayor, however, said it normally takes him 10 to 20 minutes at most to drive from his home to city hall downtown, a time he argues is reasonable.
"I think the traffic lights have been a God-send,” he said.
While there may be a line-up of vehicles stopped at the lights during the short morning rush, he pointed out, it's much safer for pedestrians to cross the road.
It's also easier for drivers to make a left turn heading to the Whitehorse General Hospital or coming from the hospital onto Lewes Boulevard into Riverdale.
Concerns have also continued to arise about the slow movement of traffic due to the roundabout further down the road into Riverdale at Nisutlin Drive and Lewes Boulevard.
Curtis argues the traffic circle is doing its job of moving traffic in a safe way.
While it's been suggested a second bridge needs to be built for access in and out of the area, Curtis does not believe that's the answer.
He noted there's been talk of a bridge to the Long Lake Road.
That, however, would be a costly endeavour for the city, he pointed out.
The only way to fund it would be to open up more areas there for development. That would ultimately mean more people coming in and out of the area every day – meaning it would continue to be a problem.
Curtis argued instead that transit, vehicle pooling and/or active transportation such as walking or cycling (with the bike lanes expected to be built next year) are ways that could pare the level of traffic and travelling times in Whitehorse.
As he pointed out, there are a number of parents choosing to drive their kids or have their kids drive to school in Riverdale.
And while school buses are among the vehicles heading in and out of Riverdale through the week, Curtis noted that the city is continuing to work with the Department of Education to expand a pilot project where high school students travel by city transit to school.
While Curtis said he doesn't mind the up-to 20 minutes it can take to get from Riverdale to downtown every morning through the week, he said he and his wife are both committed to start taking transit instead.
He noted that up until now, he's been driving so he could drop his kids off at school, but they will soon be getting there on their own.
Fewer drivers travelling in and out of Riverdale would also have positive implications for parking in the downtown area, he noted.
While many focused on the traffic in the neighbourhood, the other issue of concern mentioned at the town hall was the use of trails.
Curtis noted that it seems that overall, most people using the trails are respectful of the rules.
However, there are a few motorized vehicles being used on non-motorized trails, creating issues for some residents.
"Trails are always a concern,” Curtis said.
Work is being done to ensure the proper use of trails throughout Whitehorse through the Whitehorse Trail Plan and other initiatives.
The meeting in Riverdale is among a number of town halls planned for neighbourhoods around the city.
Over the next week, it's expected a schedule will be set out for other areas as well and made available on the city's website.
Comments (18)
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Life long R'Daler on Dec 6, 2013 at 10:28 am
If the parents that insist on driving their kids to school would let them:
Walk
Take a school bus
Take public transit
Drop them off downtown and then walk
There would be no traffic "problem" in R'Dale. Go into R'Dale at 3:30 PM and see the traffic gong show. That's not commuters going to/from work, that's helicopter parents doing their thing. Streams of autos with 1 driver and 1 or 2 child passengers.
It's got zero to do with lights/roundabouts/poor planning and everything to do with helicopter parents.
Yukoners are so damned spoiled, a small delay and everyone starts losing it and whining and complaining. Don't like the wait? Plan your commute better, or better yet walk.
No excuses; HTFU.
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yukoner on Dec 5, 2013 at 6:11 am
@ spud you had me till (hick town Whitehorse). When you race down the right hand lane and then expect everyone to stop and let you in, it is you indeed being the hick. Wait in line like the rest of us.
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Spud on Dec 4, 2013 at 1:48 pm
We do have engineers working for the city. It is very obvious none have been trained in the free movement of traffic.
How about the outbound lane from Riverdale be widened to two lanes with the right lane being dedicated to City buses and hospital traffic. Prosecute those who will not allow buses (not going to hospital area) to fluidly merge to left lane for through movement over bridge.
Teach some of these hick town Whitehorse drivers to fluidly allow lane changes when signal lights are on. Drivers also have to act when others give them a break.
With some modern design changes and some common sense on the part of drivers the perceived problem could be greatly reduced.
Wait to see the problems when the new school comes on line.
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north of 60 on Dec 4, 2013 at 10:29 am
Traffic in and out of R'dale was never this bad before they put in those poorly planned lights and traffic circle. City 'planners' get more and more inept every year. We have no recourse because they'll never be fired; just continue to rise beyond their level of incompetence.
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Max Mack on Dec 3, 2013 at 8:00 pm
The roundabout at Riverdale Super A is too small to be of any value for traffic approaching from the side streets. Drivers are often left waiting while streams of vehicles enter from either direction on Lewes.
Also, the approaches are both curved and sloped - making this roundabout particularly dangerous in the winter. In my opinion, this roundabout was a waste of money.
As for the intersection leading to the hospital, now there was an opportunity for a generously-sized roundabout that could have helped to ease traffic woes.
Mr. Curtis can hop the bus all he wants. I for one will not be taking public transit until the bus fare is affordable and the transit schedules meet my needs.
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north of 60 on Dec 3, 2013 at 8:35 am
Inept City planners for sure, the same ones who gave us Wasteland Bend, instead of the greenspace treed community everyone wanted.
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Mike K on Dec 3, 2013 at 3:36 am
Lori
Ask yourself this: Why would Riverdale have 5 schools (other neighbourhoods have none) and a hospital all trapped on the other side of a single bridge away from 90% of the population?
The answer: Inept city planners. The city with YG should have built the hospital at the populous centre of Whitehorse, near the top of 2 Mile and the AK Highway. They also should have located the new FH Collins on or near the Yukon College which would allow for shared resource (gym, industrial shop wings, Auditorium) it would have also centralized traffic flow rather than driving in into the dead end (sorry) that Riverdale is. Also construction would have happened with no interruption to the existing FH Collins.
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north of 60 on Dec 2, 2013 at 8:10 am
Why isn't the City using the gas tax rebate to reduce the cost of bus passes? Instead it's spent on very questionable, so-called 'green initiatives'. If managed competently, the gas tax rebate could make public transit nearly free.
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Lori Whitson on Dec 2, 2013 at 7:57 am
Just asking a question -
Why is it that Riverdate is the only subdivision that has one way in/out (not including the Dam as it cannot be used every day) while all other subdivisions have two?
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Yukoner on Dec 2, 2013 at 6:47 am
Maybe you should find a daycare and have your kids go to school in PC if that is where you live so the people in Riverdale can get out faster and same for Copper Ridge. And yes I know there is no high school there but I'm sure you can find a different daycare without pissing all the people in Riverdale off by coming down there first thing in the morning.
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John GM on Dec 2, 2013 at 5:44 am
I commend the Mayor on his leadership. It is tempting to 'build' yourself out of congestion however, every city in North America has a traffic congestion problem. Why, given constant road expansion? Because when you make more road space it fills up with more cars. We need to deal with the cause, not the symptom. The only long-term way to reduce congestion is to reduce the number of vehicles on the road which means some people need to consider alternatives. Every full bus removes around 50 vehicles off the road, which means everyone gets there quicker. The new bicycle bylaw allows for winter cycling on sidewalks which are always clear. Perhaps parents might consider dropping their kids off at SS Klondike? Walking is bad for you…said no one ever.
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Mike on Dec 2, 2013 at 4:22 am
Sure a 20 minute drive to work isn't unreasonable, if you live in PC. What about those of us who need to drive down from PC or Copper Ridge and drop off kids at daycare or school in Riverdale and then wait another 20-30 minutes just to get back across the bridge. And in the time traffic is packed on Lewes there is probably only one, maybe two city buses going through there. Two bus loads of people off the road won't solve the problem Dan, while its admirable you're hopping the bus yourself you aren't actually doing anything about the issue but telling people not to complain basically.
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north of 60 on Dec 1, 2013 at 1:24 pm
If the goal is to increase transit ridership then sell inexpensive bus passes. The cheaper they are the more will ride.
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M. Thompson on Nov 30, 2013 at 1:20 pm
I like our mayor, but wish he could support the seniors who have decided to stay here.
To be honest, I could live anywhere in Canada but do not like the way Whitehorse has changed. I wish the mayor would form a task force to deal with the drunk people on the streets, especially near the mall and beer store and the people who drink and drive as well as those who drive impaired by drugs.
We all know its a major problem- not just late at night but even in the morning and afternoon. Cars weaving around because the drivers are clearly impaired. I wish bylaw would charge all the aggressive drivers who run red lights and drive too fast on Second and Fourth. Its really dangerous if you let your guard down when crossing the streets. I wish the city would protect our green spaces - what's going to be left after they get chewed up by those big wheeled toys whatever they are called.
I have trouble walking around town because the streets and sidewalks have too much snow and ice. I pay taxes and want to support SIMA and skateboard parks because they are good for young people - but most importantly I want to live in a safe city where it's safe to cross the street.
Mayor Curtis, please help seniors out. I hope someone does not write in and say I should move back to Ontario, its too windy there.
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June Jackson on Nov 29, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Ya' know Dan..I'm starting to like you.. I respect the stand you took on Sima handouts, you weren't against Sima, but you gave them the truth, we are a small community with big community plans and we just don't have the money.. I thought maybe as a taxpayer yourself, you could see why people don't want tax hikes..
Taking the bus when the City pays for a vehicle for you not only shows some fiscal responsibility but sets a good example.
Your the Mayor, I like you to be on the other end of "Ford".
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Red Fisher on Nov 29, 2013 at 2:59 pm
"However, there are a few motorized vehicles being used on non-motorized trails, creating issues for some residents."
From what I recently read in the paper the city does not keep illegal skidoos and ATVs off the Millennium Trail which has hundreds of thousands of people using it each year. So, it's not creating issues for some residents, it's creating a safety concern for all people using this high profile trail since you do not know when these vehicles will be there.
These illegal vehicles put people at risk and the city shilly-shallies as usual.
Pretty lame really, the mayor diminishes the problem and leaves a meeting without committing to address a safety concern.
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Sam Fisher on Nov 29, 2013 at 10:34 am
"Curtis noted that it seems that overall, most people using the trails are respectful of the rules.
However, there are a few motorized vehicles being used on non-motorized trails, creating issues for some residents.
"Trails are always a concern,” Curtis said."
What Curtis did not say is that city council has rolled over to accommodate lobby efforts by skidooers and ATVers. They clearly are the priority on the trails- at least until people wake up and take our trails back.
If you have lived near a quiet greenbelt you may wake up and find that is a thing of the past because mayor and council did not think things through. If you walk on the trails be aware that many have to be shared with off road vehicles and many others are used because many people who operate these vehicles do not care.
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Yukoner on Nov 29, 2013 at 9:51 am
I said the lights were a bad idea in the first place, now look. I'm not the only one who thinks so, another great idea from the cow.