Review could cost as high as $2M: NDP
Just over a week after unveiling some of the members involved in the territory’s health care review, the government was grilled in the legislature Thursday about costs that were not previously mentioned.
Just over a week after unveiling some of the members involved in the territory’s health care review, the government was grilled in the legislature Thursday about costs that were not previously mentioned.
Those costs include the ones linked to at least two other groups involved in the comprehensive review, documents provided by the party showed.
That runs the total to as high as $2 million.
Previously, Health and Social Services Minister Pauline Frost had referenced a cost of about $665,000. That, however, is an expense more reflective of just one component (the advisory panel).
That number is captured in the “review costs,” an estimate on the document shows.
But additional in-kind costs, which are to be absorbed by the department, range from $1.2 million to $1.5 million.
Those are for at least two other groups involved in the review: the steering committee and tiger team.
Speaking with reporters shortly after question period Thursday, Frost did not directly dispute the numbers and offered clarification.
The Yukon NDP obtained the governance model for the comprehensive review (dated May 2018).
MLA Kate White pointed out that the tiger team and steering committee were made up of representatives already within the department, among others.
For clarity: the extra cost not previously referenced is made up to capture the cost of the steering committee and tiger team.
The $665,000, mentioned by Frost on multiple occasions, is reflective of only the review costs – which she reiterated Thursday will capture the advisory panel already mentioned.
“The staff that are preexisting within the government are defined within their respective costs captured (in the budget) under O(perations) and M(anagement) expenditures for various departments,” she explained of the additional departmental costs.
“The in-kind contribution from within HSS is just that – they are staff that pre-exist in the department.”
White and NDP Leader Liz Hanson pressed on, suggesting there has been a lack of transparency about the grand total cost of the review.
“I think what we’re trying to do right here is establish the full cost of the full health care review,” White said.
Frost responded that “the team that already exists within Health and Social Services is conducting the work within the confines of their existing jobs,” and its costs are already captured in the earlier budget.
Frost was later asked what the cost of the steering committee and tiger team would be.
Because it was made up of existing staff within HSS, she said, it “is covered out of the existing budget, and is something that we have not equated for in an expert assessment.”
Meanwhile, documents provided by the NDP show that the review costs range from $554,000 to $664,800.
Because Frost stated publicly the number is closer to the latter, the party suspects the additional costs to the department will be on the higher end of the spectrum as well, at $1.5 million.
In short: that would bring the total estimated cost (including departmental and review costs) to about $1.8 million to $2.1 million.
But that’s still a far cry from the $665,000 figure provided earlier, the New Democrats said.
For her part, Frost explained that the tiger team is made of existing HSS staff including senior advisors and “policy folks that provide direction with respect to work that’s already been conducted.
“We’re not going to duplicate efforts – we have a very short timeline to get this turned around,” she said, referencing the fall 2019 date by which the government has committed to wrapping up the review.
Part of that work may include the more than a dozen reports within HSS issued over the last decade or so – which White and Hanson tabled individually in the legislature earlier in the day.
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Comments (21)
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Benjamin on Nov 21, 2018 at 5:32 am
Matt B - the manager you speak of was in an acting position at the time and said the abuse in group homes never happened and after the report said it did and was given the manager's job on a permanent basis. "Everyone who was involved was dealt with" - you mean promoted and given expensive group homes to go "manage". When I say "manage" the new group home it means you supervise no one and pick out tiles for the marble bathrooms for the 20 children you have in group care. The children you kicked out onto the street - we don't talk about them that would be embarrassing.
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Bendit B on Nov 20, 2018 at 6:44 pm
Director, what did you know and when did you know? RIP ISSY.
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Brenda Dancer on Nov 20, 2018 at 6:36 pm
Wait wait WHAT? Promotions for lying? This is super good news for evil!
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Bill B on Nov 20, 2018 at 5:47 pm
I agree about the theme songs and they should also print T-shirts for these three that say; I lied, I covered it up and I took no responsibility for any of it YES I AM STILL STANDING and YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT.
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Lost In the Yukon on Nov 20, 2018 at 4:41 pm
... and while all of this crap is going on in F&CS an equal amount of abuse is happening over in Adult Social Services but flying under the radar. People in Director and Manager positions who have no clue what they're doing other than trying to keep their corporate masters happy. The Yukon Party should be asking the Minister what's going on in the welfare program as public money flies out the door with no accountability or scrutiny. All of this in both Social Services and Family Services under the watch of the DM (who has yet to get around to all programs in the department) and Minister Frost (who proven to be not in control of her department)'
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Jenny on Nov 20, 2018 at 2:29 pm
The theme song of this government: Money, Money, Money by ABBA. The other theme song is: Still standing by Elton John. To explain I am still standing, the Acting Manager who sat next to the DM and said youth were never locked out is now permanent- still standing. The Director who was found to have broken the law the Child and Family Services ACT and did not care for the youth in her care in her group homes - still standing. The TSS Manager who incessantly preached Trauma Informed Care in the group homes he “managed” yet youth were locked out and harmed, he got a 1.2 million dollar Temporary Assignment- he is still very much standing. Let’s all sing along.
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Mike on Nov 19, 2018 at 6:31 pm
What morale at Family and Children Services..... there is none. There are no ethics there is no anything. The cost to repair that place..... immense.
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Marge Pierce on Nov 18, 2018 at 6:24 pm
Kate White is awesome. Kate White for PM!
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Grasshopper on Nov 18, 2018 at 5:15 pm
Yes Grasshopper - The Drunken Monkey technique always defeats the Tiger Defence...
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Ben Afflicted on Nov 18, 2018 at 3:38 pm
Dear YG, George Orwell wants you to know he did not intend for you to use his book 1984 as your play book. George Orwell is displeased.
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Pat Akin on Nov 18, 2018 at 3:16 pm
Hey now did YG pay the youth or Jane or Jarrett for pointing out issues? Well we know they "paid" them by not believing them which must surely show in the budget?
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May Bellni on Nov 18, 2018 at 2:54 pm
Oh bless your soul Mat B. you actually believed them when they said all those involved with the problems at child and family are no longer there? True hero's were sacrificed to keep secrets of some less than hero types. God Bless the truth speakers even when the cost is so very high!
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Mack Goolies on Nov 18, 2018 at 2:30 pm
What are the costs in mental health to staff having to tolerate unethical unresponsive work place?
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Bill Prentice on Nov 18, 2018 at 2:23 pm
The Director of child and family participated in our very own watergate over at ISSY and she is still the Director so....if you are looking for a hero here you likely will not find it.
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Mat B. on Nov 17, 2018 at 4:55 pm
Wondering what happened with that manager who told us that the abuse alleged in YG group homes never happened then YG report says YES it did. Can anyone say what happened there because I just looked it up and YG says that manager is still there. Can not be true can it?
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Jon Thorne on Nov 17, 2018 at 4:50 pm
Oh yes, this is kinda like having the Director of child and family services investigate allegations she is involved with... very transparent and hopeful of change this government is.
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June Beaverton on Nov 17, 2018 at 3:30 pm
The cost of keeping corruption hidden PRICELESS!
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Mildred Mahony on Nov 17, 2018 at 3:26 pm
Can anyone account for the cost of low morale at child and family services?
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Ivy piper on Nov 17, 2018 at 5:28 am
Seriously folks what a joke the whole thing is. The people that they have doing this tiger team are the ones that have caused the problems in the first place. HSS staff jump ship and do it now it’s getting more ridiculous as the days go on save yourselves! With the liberals at the helm you won’t be respected. Liberals.....Sandy do something oh I know do a better job!
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Bradley Goodie on Nov 16, 2018 at 6:16 pm
Does this include the costs of the special investigations for Child Protection?
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Max Mack on Nov 16, 2018 at 3:48 pm
Let me guess . . . user fees? That was easy given the foregone conclusion.
Where can I go to pick up my $2 million?