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MULTI-USE TRAIL DESIGNATION SOUGHT – Wolf Creek residents Doug Larsen (left) and Gregg Jilson make their points Monday evening to members of Whitehorse city council.

Residents push for motorized traffic on trail

A public meeting has been set for March 3 to let residents know how the Dawson Road Trail in Wolf Creek is to be used.

By Stephanie Waddell on January 20, 2016

A public meeting has been set for March 3 to let residents know how the Dawson Road Trail in Wolf Creek is to be used.

In an interview this morning, Doug Hnatiuk, the city’s manager of parks and community development, responded to concerns of the trail being designated as non-motorized.

He cited the meeting as a piece in a public education initiative as the city continues implementing its trail plan.

At Monday’s city council meeting, Dawson Road residents Doug Larsen and Gregg Jilson brought forward a petition signed by 17 of the 18 residents from the road.

It calls for the trail to be reinstated as a multi-use artery rather than the non-motorized designation it’s been given.

As Hnatiuk explained though, the trail has been designated as a non-motorized trail since the approval of the city’s 1997 trail plan. That designation remained in the 2007 trail plan.

Nothing about the non-motorized status of the trail that has changed.

The city, however, has been moving forward with implementing the trail plan. That includes adding signs and educating the public on what trails have been designated for motorized and non-motorized use.

“We’re doing that all over town,” Hnatiuk said.

A number of signs have gone up on area trails to ensure the public is aware of whether they can ride motorized vehicles on the trail, he added.

He noted there’s been a number of meetings about the Dawson Road Trail in Wolf Creek over the years.

The city has been looking at a number of issues, from the area’s environmental sensitivity to the impact on residents in designating the trail for non-motorized use.

At Monday’s meeting, Larsen and Jilson argued against the designation.

They pointed out that it connects to two motorized trails.

They also questioned what process was followed in making the designation, suggesting residents were not consulted on the matter and presenting the city with the petition.

They also suggested the trail’s environmental sensitivity has been overstated, with Wolf Creek protected from the impact of motorized vehicles by levies.

In answering questions by council, Larsen said that though he’s not an avid snowmobiler, he does have a snow machine and occasionally has used the trail to take his grandkids out for a short ride.

He’s much less likely to take the kids out on the snow machine if the trail is non-motorized.

Meanwhile, Jilson often enjoys the trail when he’s out for a walk.

In the winter, it’s in much better condition for walking after a snow machine has been over it, he said.

“The trails are so dramatically improved by snowmobile traffic, I’d hate to see that disappear,” Jilson said.

The two delegates noted they’d like to see the matter go back to the city’s trail and greenways committee with an ultimate recommendation to council that it be designated for motorized use.

As Hnatiuk explained though, that designation has been in place for years now. The city is moving forward with implementing the trail plan, including placing signs at trailheads throughout Whitehorse to inform users of the designation.

Enforcement by bylaw officers on the Dawson Road Trail has not been happening, Hnatiuk said, explaining the city pursues education before enforcement.

To that end, the city put posts in the ground last fall before the ground froze so its signs could be placed on the trail as soon as possible.

Those posts were vandalized, so the education campaign for that trail was put off. It’s expected new signs will be placed on the trail in the spring.

That will be in addition to the March 3 information meeting set to get underway at 10 a.m. at Sport Yukon.

Comments (13)

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Max Mack on Jan 26, 2016 at 7:00 pm

The hypocrisy of folks demanding pedestrian-only walking trails so as to enjoy "nature" and "unspoiled wilderness", and then getting freaked out and wanting Environment to kill bears and wolves when predators get too comfy with humans.

"Habituation" is human code for "predators have figured out that humans aren't top of the food chain and might be prey."
That is nature at work. Just not nature that our "wilderness lovers" tolerate.

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trail walker on Jan 26, 2016 at 1:42 pm

This may be an issue of city planning finally catching up with what is best for long term use of this area. It's too bad there is not much public information on the new park.

It upsets me to see ATVs crossing the creek. Whats wrong with protecting areas?

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Dawson road dog on Jan 25, 2016 at 8:54 pm

I live by said trail, this was brought on by 1 resident, everyone is live and let live on our road. You might see 2 skidoos a week go through that easement. You can't go fast as it is narrow and windy, lots of retired folk here that want easy walking. If the city declares this environmentally sensitive they better be ready to be all in, by that I mean look at some of the properties in proximity to said trail and ensure there out buildings (saunas, yurts.. Etc) are to code and not in violation of city by law and DFO regulations for a salmon bearing stream.

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Stu Morris on Jan 22, 2016 at 7:06 pm

The New Wilderness City

Two people who self describe as not really using motorized vehicles pass along a petition for a motorized trail in an environmentally sensitive area. People then debate how motorized vehicles keep bears and wolves away and how they prefer (or not) walking on packed trails and no one mentions the area is a new city park along a creek.

Why even undertake Chadburn or other park planning in this town! Just open all areas of the new parks to vehicles of all shapes and sizes. I will be coming to council soon with a petition signed by 17 people that asks council to open up all the new parks for hunting.

The hunting right should be grandfathered after all. That would solve the wolf and bear issue and put some moose and caribou on some people’s tables. And after a couple of hunting seasons we would not have to worry about environmentally sensitive areas getting in our or council’s way.

Yes, The New Wilderness City.

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Salar on Jan 22, 2016 at 6:09 pm

Whether walking on a snow machine packed trail is easy or not is a non argument. It's that folks dislike motorized vehicles....for whatever reason, which is ok. But, is it really that big a deal that motorized machines drive on trails? Context; you're out for a walk on a snow machine packed trail, you hear a motorized vehicle approaching, you prepare to allow its passage.....
You're a motorized vehicle operator, you are travelling on a packed trail, you round a bend and see a couple walking, you prepare to allow for passage.....
Now imagine you're at the grocery store on a Friday at dinner time......now that is something you could dislike.

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BnR on Jan 22, 2016 at 2:27 pm

Wow, so much for everyone just getting along.
Don't like walking on a snowmobile trail? Really? Wait an hour or two and it will be packed quite nicely. Given a choice, everyone I know would rather walk/bike or snowshoe on a good snowmobile track. Yeah, there are places they shouldn't go, like maintained and groomed ski trails (Mt. Mac, Chadburn lake) or quiet residential areas, but really, well packed skidoo and dog sled trails are great for winter recreationalists.

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Sandy on Jan 22, 2016 at 2:29 am

You gotta love the argument that snowmobiles drive bears and wolves away! Snowmobiles also disrupt… people! Why do you think so many folks want non-motorized trails…

It’s true though, snowmobiles have big impacts on wildlife. That’s why they should stay on designated trails and leave the wilderness wild.

Bears and especially wolves prefer to stay away from people, unless they’ve become habituated by accessible garbage, or tempted by an-easy-to-get dog. So, keep your dog close and make sure your garbage is inaccessible. Perhaps the city should keep the landfill’s electric fence going all year.

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Walker on Jan 22, 2016 at 2:25 am

Take a look at the City’s online map of trails for the Wolf Creek area, and you’ll see a whole network of existing motorized trails, accessible to all from everywhere by driving your ORV on streets to reach the trailhead, which the bylaw allows. So, please do leave that one trail at the end of Dawson Road as a non-motorized trail. It’s in environmentally sensitive areas too.

Non-motorized trails are important for walkers and skiers. They’re safer, quieter, cleaner. Take a healthy walk there with your grandchildren, and learn something about nature. You can actually have a conversation with them while walking, and see a thousand more things than if you were zipping by on a machine.

A snow path packed by pedestrians is the nicest thing to walk on. But it’s awful walking or skiing on a trail after it’s been churned up by a snowmobile. In my Whitehorse neighborhood, our non-motorized foot paths are nicely packed by pedestrians in ever increasing numbers, and snowmobiles aren’t allowed on them, thank god.

This country was populated long before snowmobiles were invented, and folks got around just fine on foot.

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Pjt1959 on Jan 21, 2016 at 6:58 pm

I support the snowmobile trails. I enjoy snowshoeing and it is much nicer on a trail used by snowmobile than a trail that fat tire bikes leave and there is no trail these bikes leave alone. Just look at the ski trails up on Gray Mountain, ski trails clearly marked. I think that all of the old trails that one could use should be opened back to multi use trails as we all pay taxes. Put rules on them - closed to all wheeled or tracked during freeze up and spring mud thaw and charge anyone on a wheeled mode of transport. All that is asked is to treat a chosen sport to be equal. I know a lot will not agree with me but hope that they win to have it a multi use trail. That is my rant.

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Wayne on Jan 21, 2016 at 4:49 pm

It is not true that walkers prefer to walk on snowmobile tracks. We walk on them because there is no choice after the machines have driven on trails. There are a few short trails in PC that snow machines have not been able to drive on, and they are much easier, and comfortable to walk on. This is true of any trail.

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Just Say'in on Jan 21, 2016 at 3:17 pm

@marylaker….That deal with the Jeeps was entirely an other matter. They were not on the trails they were on a road. That is the road to Livingston and does not belong to that dog musher and it is none of his business who uses it. IT IS A ROAD.

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mary laker on Jan 20, 2016 at 7:58 pm

Just put up a speed limit and a code of etiquette, and the relationship with the snow machines is beneficial. They do pack a trail for everyone else. Snow machine trail riders do not tend to be destructive. Make it clear that it is 'on trail riding' only, no dips over the bushes and trees that are camping out under the snow beside the trail.

That said, there is no way that this should just be 'motorized' without parameters. The "Jeepers" for instance should not be on multi-use trails with their four wheel drive vehicles. They do not improve things for anyone, and at best you can hope that they do not cause too much damage to the trail for other users. (I followed some of their 'attitude' in other articles, plus looked at the pictures.)

So there is 'motorized' and there is 'motorized'. Don't lump everyone into the same basket just because there is an engine involved.

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Janet Sanders on Jan 20, 2016 at 5:12 pm

We groom the trails in Porter Creek with our snowmobiles, in fact people will walk the motorized trails rather than the non motorized trail because it is easier to walk after they have been groomed. Having a motorized trail will also keep the bears and wolves at bay, the more activity on the trail the less likely you will see bears in the summer and wolves in the winter.

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