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IMPROVEMENTS QUESTIONS – Residents of Black Street are questioning the city's proposal to make major changes to the downtown street while favouring an overhaul to the water and sewer lines on the street. Bottom left-right, Roxanne Livingstone, Carole Smith, Nathan Miller and Kelly-Anne Malcomson.

Residents condemn proposed street upgrades

Upgrading aging water and sewer lines for Black Street residents shouldn't have to mean providing the road with all the bells and whistles of a modern city street.

By Stephanie Waddell on September 14, 2010

Upgrading aging water and sewer lines for Black Street residents shouldn't have to mean providing the road with all the bells and whistles of a modern city street.

That was the message close to a dozen residents of the downtown street delivered to city council Monday evening.

They spoke during a public hearing on the local improvement charge (LIC), where benefiting property owners pay for a portion of city infrastructure work, proposed for the upgrades.

Roxanne Livingstone, a long-time director with the Downtown Residents Association, explained the lay-out of the street – wide, no sidewalks or pavement with room for parking to accommodate both residents and visitors – helps give the neighbourhood the character of a relaxed, "people-friendly” community.

"You have a success story here,” she said. She cited benefits that have come with improvements made in the overall downtown area and more specific to Black Street, with the stairs that run from the end of the street up the clay cliffs.

Installing a sidewalk and paving the road, as planned if the proposal goes ahead, would mean taking away from the parking, Livingstone said. That could create conflicts between residents of the street and visitors who park there to use the stairs.

She also noted the plan for a boulevard that would feature plant life – and thus need watering – was established in 1993, long before there environmental concerns over water use.

"Things have changed since '93,” Livingstone said.

Her argument that the majority of residents are against the changes to the roadway, while remaining in favour of the new water and sewer mains for the street, had Coun. Florence Roberts questioning why few residents returned their ballots on the LIC.

Of 50 ballots sent out, only 19 were returned, with 14 opposing the changes and five in favour. Ballots not sent into the city are viewed as being in favour.

Though Livingstone couldn't speak for other residents of the street who hadn't voted, she suggested there was misinformation about the project, but as details of the plans were learned, more and more residents were against it.

As council heard as well from other delegates, some were away at the time and missed the vote, or thought the original Aug. 9 public hearing on the LIC was the opportunity to vote, among other reasons.

Others voted in support – either by voting in favour or not submitting a ballot at all – because they want the work to the water/sewer mains done but oppose the road work.

The way the vote was done was a significant problem for many residents of the street, who argued the city shouldn't be viewing unsubmitted ballots as votes in favour.

"I find it really undemocratic,” said Nathan Miller, who submitted his ballot against the project by the deadline.

He went on to argue the policy on the votes simply seems like a way for the city to push a project through.

"It's like a banana republic,” added Con Lattin, another Black Street property owner.

Coun. Dave Stockdale was quick to argue that although "it does not sound right,” this is the way the system has run for years.

It was suggested that non-votes simply not be counted, as would be the case in any political election.

Carole Smith was among those who also sent in a ballot against the project after attending a public meeting hosted by the city, where she said she learned it is an "all or nothing” project.

Like many of her neighbours, Smith would favour the work if it was limited to the water and sewer systems, with the road returning to its original state after the project was done.

In her case, the proposal would limit her street parking access, which she currently uses. Though Smith can access her property through an alley into her backyard, that option isn't available through the winter, when the alley isn't plowed.

"Let's keep it simple,” Kelly-Ann Malcomson instructed council.

As a resident of the neighbourhood for a decade, she said she likes the look and feel of Old Town as it is.

While some surface improvements are warranted – less gravel on the road, for example – major changes like putting in a sidewalk could significantly change the "unique feel” of the neighbourhood.

Though many spoke out against the proposed sidewalk, Shirley Hill – who was among those favouring the water/sewer main work but didn't want the extras that would come with it – commented a friend of hers supports putting the sidewalk in in the interest of safety for children.

Another speaker suggested the sidewalk should be located on the north side of the street rather than the south side, as proposed.

That's because the sun hits the north side better, thereby melting snow and ice through the winter faster and making it more safe, council was told last night.

Another noted an informal survey conducted of 40 property owners on the street showed 28 of those supported the plans for the water and sewer systems.

Definitive opposition was heard to other plans though – 32 said no to the sidewalk and 33 were opposed adding lighting to the street, another part of the plan.

Parking was among the major concerns that came out of the discussions, it was noted.

Throughout the public hearing, residents also continued to criticize the city for a mistake in the first public hearing on the matter that was set for Aug. 9.

Last night's hearing was held after a problem with the notification for the first hearing was noted.

While city officials say notices of the Aug. 9 hearing were sent out to property owners with no date of the hearing specified, a number of presenters Monday night commented they didn't receive any notice whatsoever.

Speaking to reporters following the meeting, Mayor Bev Buckway said the city is always striving to improve communications with its residents. While officials can't go knock on every door, letters are sent out and ads are put in local publications, she noted.

In this case, where there was an obvious city error, a public hearing was scheduled again to ensure affected residents received proper notice to come to council with their concerns.

And although the city could look at the regulations around LIC votes, and how ballots not submitted are counted, she pointed out that viewing those as being in favour of the proposal is a general practice in most communities in the country.

As for how she will proceed when the LIC comes up for a vote, Buckway said she's unsure.

On one hand, she said, many have asked for roads in the downtown to be paved as much as residents of Old Town are now arguing against the paving of Black Street, making it a difficult matter to address.

Also to be considered are standards that have to be met when roadwork is done – as would be the case in putting in new water and sewer lines regardless of whether it is paved.

"What we have to look at is engineering standards,” she said.

The city has also heard from pedestrians who want sidewalks in place on such roads.

"It's really hard to move forward,” she commented.

Council members may have a better idea next week of how they want to proceed on the project. That's when city staff will present a report on last night's hearing and a recommendation on how to proceed.

Coun. Ranj Pillai was absent from last night's meeting.

Comments (6)

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Don McKenzie on Sep 20, 2010 at 1:57 am

Hello Bobby Bitman. The "Exclusive" area in Ontario that has the traits you like, is apparently owned by the residents. Downtown Whitehorse is not all that exclusive, and the residents don't own the streets. Downtown Whitehorse is a dump, and I don't see a lot of pride down there. If people show pride in their communities, then it creates a sense of ownership. With that sense of ownership, comes involvement, with involvement the whole community improves, and results in nice things like less crime. Downtown Whitehorse could use things like less crime. The same kind of people who wish downtown Whitehorse to remain as it is are the same kind of people who fought against an ambulance station in Takhini, and what happened in Takhini? A child had to die before there was an attitude change. Maybe when some young girl gets raped, or some child is run over in "Oldtown", will lighting standards be changed. When some little old lady who uses a walker, is run down in the middle of winter, because there are no sidewalks, who will be to blame? "Oldtown", grow up.

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Ham Wallet on Sep 15, 2010 at 7:59 am

As a resident of the city you don't get to pick and choose which services are delivered because god knows I'd out out of snow removal in a second because I might see the plow once or twice a winter. Given the 'character' of the area it is in dire need of upgrade it is pretty disgusting in most areas west of 4th ave downtown. Suck it up and it done and have some pride in your neighbourhood.

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bobby bitman on Sep 15, 2010 at 3:49 am

KM, quick question, not meant to offend. How long have you lived in 'Yukon' as you call it? I have noticed that people who have not been here long adopt the government initiative of doing away with 'The Yukon' and replacing it with 'Yukon'. Something about being more like down south. As if being more like 'the big places' will somehow improve the Yukon.

There are different mentalities, I think people with a down south mentality sometimes impose their concept of 'positive standards' on others who frankly do not share their values of 'clean, orderly, just like they do it in Vancouver'.

If the residents of Black Street themselves want the place a certain way, I think that is more important than what tourists want.

And who says the tourists WANT to see Vancouver when they come up here, anyway?

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bobby bitman on Sep 14, 2010 at 10:15 am

Hey there Don. I hear you, but consider this. I had a friend who's parents lived in a very exclusive neighbourhood on Lake Ontario, in Mississauga (right on the border of Toronto). This place had chip sealed roads, or real old pavement; no sidewalks, and minimal street lighting. What lighting there was were simple old tin cottage looking fixtures mounted on wooden poles. These residents owned their streets, and would shut the gate one day a year to outside traffic. Some of the houses in there were quite small, others were ornate. It was the coolest place.

It's called character. A concept that the Yukon used to respect.

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KM on Sep 14, 2010 at 9:59 am

I totally agree with Don about the lack of standards in Whitehorse, it's disgraceful and I'm tired of people saying "It's only Yukon". Why shouldn't we have higher standards? Just because we're isolated? What does that mean "It's only Yukon or Whitehorse"! Let's take more pride in our city. It's a beautiful place, lets show tourists that and enjoy it for ourselves. Quit junking up the place!

KM

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Don McKenzie on Sep 14, 2010 at 7:56 am

"Old town"? Old dump, is more like it. I have done a bit of travelling in the last 4 years, seen a lot of different places, and I have NEVER seen any other city that allows itself to present itself as such a dump. I'm not only talking about the muddy streets, pothole filled streets and the lack of lighting, but also the complete lack of standards for maintaining the fences, green spaces and exteriors of the homes. Add to it the abandoned vehicles and drug dens, and think about how a paved road, with sidewalks and lighting would detract from such a unique area

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