Whitehorse Daily Star

Residents concerned about liquor licence application

Loitering, "unsavoury characters," offsales and the effects of a liquor establishment on a nearby day care were some concerns raised at a Yukon Liquor Board hearing this week to discuss an application for a liquor licence in Granger.

By Elizabeth Hames on May 29, 2009

Loitering, "unsavoury characters," offsales and the effects of a liquor establishment on a nearby day care were some concerns raised at a Yukon Liquor Board hearing this week to discuss an application for a liquor licence in Granger.

Rod Malchow and Mike Palamar have applied for a food primary, liquor primary and offsales at 81 Wilson Dr.

Malchow and Palamar hope to open an establishment called The Ridge Pub and Lounge at the location.

About 12 residents and non-residents of Granger met with the board, Malchow and Palamar, and representatives of the Yukon Liquor Corp. Tuesday afternoon to discuss the application.

Many residents took issue with the potential crowd a pub and lounge would bring into their neighbourhood.

They said a pub and offsales in Granger would draw a similar crowd to those which congregate around the downtown offsales and liquor establishments.

"We don't believe we'll have that sort of crowd whatsoever," said Malchow.

"I believe we've addressed that by choosing our hours of operation, and our mandate to run a nice, classy, friendly establishment."

By opening at 3 p.m. and closing at 11 p.m., the pub would not attract "unsavoury characters" hanging around during the day, said Malchow.

The offsales service, too, was a hot topic at the meeting.

"Offsales is a legal way of bootlegging and should not be allowed anywhere in the Yukon," said Johan Groenewegen, a friend of a Granger resident.

"There are several existing offsales establishments in and around town that, after regular liquor store hours are closed, can be accessed by patrons in need of booze. This neighbourhood can do without it."

Malchow said they thought an offsales service would be a benefit to their business, and that they are not out to attract crowds like those in the downtown area.

Although they would sell wine, beer and larger bottles of liquor, their offsales would not supply small, cheap bottles of liquor.

They would also have security cameras around the location to monitor activity in the surrounding area.

If the application is approved, the pub would be in the same area as a day care, so the effect a local liquor establishment would have on area children was also addressed by Granger residents.

Joseph Tetlichn of Granger said establishments where there is liquor brings "a whole new breed of people in."

"My concern is young kids could see that and think it's the norm," said Tetlichn.

"Nobody in their right mind would think of having something like that close to our precious children."

Malchow said that since he lives two blocks from the location, he shares the same concerns the Granger residents have, and has already met with the Granger Neighbourhood Association to debate the issues.

Some Granger residents also found problems with the consultation process itself.

They said they only found out about the application by word of mouth, not through the posting in the newspaper requesting registered letters be sent to the corporation outlining any opposition to the application.

Many said they were unhappy that the posting, published in the Star April 22, April 29 and May 6, appeared on Wednesdays instead of Fridays, the most-read edition of the week.

Also, because the meeting was held during work hours, many who would have liked to attend were unable to, they said.

The liquor board is made up of volunteers and is independent of the corporation.

The board will continue the consultation process and decide on the application within the next few weeks.

Comments (7)

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Yay!!! Great Idea :) on Jun 7, 2009 at 3:27 pm

I think this is a great idea... Having a neighborhood pub in a growing area such as Granger/Copper Ridge would be convenient, and a much safer venue for the residents around here to have some after work beverages.... I think it would be great to be able to drive my car home after work, and stroll over to the pub for some refreshments... save myself the cab fare down & back up the hill... and treat my spouse to a nice meal which I wouldn't have to cook!!! That's my idea of a perfect way to end the week. :) ..As for the offsales, why not?? Grab some nice wine, or a case of beer after stopping @ Bigway to grab some nice steaks to throw on the BBQ?

I support these guys & their venture.. might even become a place where everyone will know *my* name.. and no.. it's not Norm. LOL

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concerened citizen on Jun 3, 2009 at 9:56 am

boo hoo hoo, cry me a river. if you want a drink with your meal, then make the liquor store, and stock up! you'll save money if you cook your own meal at home.

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kt on Jun 1, 2009 at 10:36 am

No off-sales period. A traditional pub is okay with no off-sales and the hours of operation and the size only to suit the neighbourhood. The developement permit should clearly state the restrictions and that the restrictions are not negotiable in the future. If the developers business plan does not work with-out the off-sales then it should not proceed. There are too many social problems created by off-sales. Also we should ask the question 'should all grocery & convience store be able to sell off-sales?'. I say no.

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Paul T on May 30, 2009 at 5:27 am

I'm all for the off sales, it is something we've needed up here for a long time. I'd prefer the pub to be more of a family style restaurant when people can bring their kids, have dinner and a drink without having to head down town. Something along the lines of BP or Earls without the chain style food crap, more of a home cooked/pub style thing.

A 'bar' a la Lizards (or whatever is called these days) doesn't fit in this area. I can't imagine anyone opposing a licensed restaurant in a area where a couple thousand people live with virtually no services.

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waja on May 29, 2009 at 12:05 pm

Why is Granger so special that it's residents shouldn't have to live with a neighborhood pub? Porter Creek seems fine. People in Whitehorse need to wake up and take a look at what century this is. The applicants don't want to put a nightclub in your backyard, a pub would have no negative implications what so ever. It sounds like they have done a lot of planning to keep the unsavioury characters out of your neighborhood. Take a drive around all the communities down south, all have pubs in little strip malls in housing communities. Go hang around outside a convenience store, you will find just as many characters hanging around out there.

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Josey Wales on May 29, 2009 at 10:55 am

Are some of those residents braindead?

A wee pub near a daycare?

Sorry let me bring you up to speed with a couple of civic matters...

The governments here only pretend to care about the kids...Or they would build their new MEGA budget "Healing Center" anywhere in the Yukon (they own most of the land) than...RIGHT beside a toddlers school & the College...ACROSS the street from a baseball complex that BOTH kiddies & adults use.

Our coveted & seeminly well used government owned & operated Booze outlet?

Across the street from where we have HAD our families pushed into for community events..it is..Ta Da Shipyards Park!

And this "community input" well sorry to tell ya Granger...LIP SERVICE & nothing more as the Governments up here at ALL levels do as they please and have their agenda covered already.

Look at Takini North...Heaps of NIMBY & Greenie opposition? Yet the dumptrucks run?

Myself I don't drink, however I do support micro business...as it's our first step away from depending on the government for revenue,jobs,tax increases ect.

If loitering and unsavory charachters are the issue? & YTG agrees with that as an argument...then perhaps they would be willing to RELOCATE their booze outlet...away from 2nd & ogilvie..as I for one I'm beyond disgusted with what I see there 6/7 days of the week...and ALL over the downtown area staggering into traffic like three legged Caribou, resulting in who knows how much in abulance rides,bodyshop bills, traumatized drivers...and drunken fools getting hurt & killed, which of course THEY could have PREVENTED!

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Thomas Brewer on May 29, 2009 at 10:45 am

"�Offsales is a legal way of bootlegging and should not be allowed anywhere in the Yukon,� said Johan Groenewegen, a friend of a Granger resident.

�There are several existing offsales establishments in and around town that, after regular liquor store hours are closed, can be accessed by patrons in need of booze. This neighbourhood can do without it.�"

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How nice that people who don't even live in the affected neighbourhood feel the need to voice an opinion on something that doesn't impact them.

And I think that having a place in a neighbourhood is precisely why the government (finally) amended the Act and Regs. I'm surprised that Johan (I'm thinking German ancestry) demonizes alcohol and beer as feverently as he is spouting.

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"Joseph Tetlichn of Granger said establishments where there is liquor brings �a whole new breed of people in.�

�My concern is young kids could see that and think it's the norm,� said Tetlichn.

�Nobody in their right mind would think of having something like that close to our precious children.�"

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No, we wouldn't want kids to think that meeting friends in a pub for beer, grub, and socializing could in any way be considered normal. It's much better when parents get blasted at home, leave their kids behind unsupervised, and drive hammered downtown to reload.

People, the Act was derived from public consultations where the overwhelming majority of consultees were in favour of the creation of establishments like this. If you don't like it, talk to a member of the opposition and work with them to get the legislation changed if that party ever forms a government.

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