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Rally planned for outside CBC building

A rally is planned at CBC Yukon’s studios for late Wednesday afternoon

By Whitehorse Star on July 16, 2019

A rally is planned at CBC Yukon’s studios for late Wednesday afternoon to pressure the public broadcaster to host a federal party leaders’ debate on climate change and a Green New Deal during the October election campaign.

“As our public broadcaster, funded by public money, the CBC has both the power and moral obligation to make sure that every single person in Canada knows which of our leaders have a real plan to tackle the climate crisis,” rally organizer Braden Lamoureux said Monday.

“We’re in a climate emergency. Fires, floods, and rising temperatures are already ravaging our communities.a

“If enough of us take action, we can push the CBC to host a leaders’ debate on climate change,” Lamoureux added.

“We have to act now as CBC officials finalize their plans for their election coverage.”

Participants are expected to gather sometime after 5:30 p.m. in preparation for the rally, set to take place during the 6 p.m. northern television newscast.

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North_of_60 on Jul 23, 2019 at 12:05 am

@Politico, Some regions are warming, some regions are cooling -- overall the planet has been cooling for the past 3 years.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-global-warming-earth-cooling-media-bias/

Inconvenient Science: NASA data show that global temperatures dropped sharply over the past two years. Not that you'd know it, since that wasn't deemed news. Does that make NASA a global warming denier?

Writing in Real Clear Markets, Aaron Brown looked at the official NASA global temperature data and noticed something surprising. From February 2016 to February 2018, "global average temperatures dropped by 0.56 degrees Celsius." That, he notes, is the biggest two-year drop in the past century.

"The 2016-2018 Big Chill," he writes, "was composed of two Little Chills, the biggest five month drop ever (February to June 2016) and the fourth biggest (February to June 2017). A similar event from February to June 2018 would bring global average temperatures below the 1980s average."

Isn't this just the sort of man-bites-dog story that the mainstream media always says is newsworthy?
In this case, it didn't warrant any news coverage.

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joe zelezny on Jul 22, 2019 at 4:04 pm

yukonppc.com

Our Plan=======
Given the uncertainties over the scientific basis of global warming, and the certainties about the huge costs of measures designed to fight it, there is no compelling reason to jeopardize our prosperity with more government interventions.

A People’s Party government will:
Withdraw from the Paris Accord and abandon unrealistic greenhouse gas emission reduction targets.
Stop sending billions of dollars to developing countries to help them reduce their emissions.
Abolish the Liberal government’s carbon tax and leave it to provincial governments to adopt programs to reduce emissions if they want to.
Abolish subsidies for green technology and let private players develop profitable and efficient alternatives.
Invest in mitigation strategies if problems arise as a result of any natural climate change.
Prioritize implementing practical solutions to make Canada’s air, water and soil cleaner, including bringing clean drinking water to remote First Nations communities.

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Groucho d'North on Jul 22, 2019 at 1:40 pm

I suspect any climate debate between federal candidates would be very similar to the debate waging here on this page - two sides providing their positions and whatever reasoning/evidence they may have for their positions.
There is not much that can be used as legitimate science as the hyperbole regarding fossil fuels has been twisted into lies to support either industry or governments to squeeze more money from consumers. For example the oil shortage in the 80s which caused a spike in pump prices and long line ups at the gas stations when rumours of running out of oil got played in the media. We still have a ready supply of oil contrary to what all the experts said back then.
Al Gore's premonitions of the world as we know it coming to an end due to flooding coastlines and similar disaster scenarios that are now quite overdue. Again expert opinions were used for these horror stories that did not come to fruition. Scientists have been prostituted to legitimize these forecasts of doom and gloom to help advance somebody's political agenda regarding the weather and the greater climate evolution.
World class climatologists who disagree with the anthropogenic global warming theories based on their training and observations are identified as rabble because they offer tangible arguments against the swelling tide of doomsday science forcasting greater mayhem for the planet.
Yes a political debate on the CBC would quickly become a 'My scientist can beat up your scientist' argument in short order with zero net benefit for the audience except the doomsday cult will get more airtime to spread their fear messages.
The end of the world scenarios will tell the true tale, if they ever happen. Why then do so many cling to these fabrications when clearly these events have not happened as predicted and it remains doubtful if they will as forecast by those dire promoters speaking on behalf of their purchased scientists?
This scam is about getting more of your money and not the health of the planet which as most already know has witnessed these climate cycles many times before...yet we remain.

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joe zelezny on Jul 22, 2019 at 12:01 pm

Thankfully the PPC will put an end to this nonsense. The alternative is a 4 way split of parties in support of the globalist UN paris accord agenda.
https://yukonppc.com/issues/global-warming-and-environment-rejecting-alarmism-and-focusing-on-concrete-improvements/

The Liberal government is spending billions of dollars at home and abroad to fight global warming—or “climate change” as it is now called to account for every natural weather event and its opposite.

In order to lower greenhouse gas emissions, it has imposed taxes and countless regulations, it subsidizes inefficient and costly “green technology,” and it is blocking the development of oil resources crucial to our prosperity.

It is an undisputed fact that the world’s climate has always changed and will continue to change. Until twelve thousand years ago, much of Canada was under ice, and it is thanks to natural climate change that we can live here today.

There is however no scientific consensus on the theory that CO2 produced by human activity is causing dangerous global warming today or will in the future, and that the world is facing environmental catastrophes unless these emissions are drastically reduced. Many renowned scientists continue to challenge this theory.

The policy debate about global warming is not grounded on science anymore. It has been hijacked by proponents of big government who are using crude propaganda techniques to impose their views. They publicly ridicule and harass anyone who expresses doubt. They make exaggerated claims to scare people. They even manipulate school children, getting them to pressure their parents and to demonstrate in the streets.

Facts==========
Climate change alarmism is based on flawed models that have consistently failed at correctly predicting the future. None of the cataclysmic predictions that have been made about the climate since the 1970s have come true. No new ice age. No steady warming in direct relation with increases in CO2 levels. No disappearance of polar ice caps. No exceptional rise in ocean levels. No abnormal increase in catastrophic weather events. No widespread crop failure and famine.

In fact, CO2 is beneficial for agriculture and there has recently been a measurable “greening” of the world in part thanks to higher levels. Despite what global warming propaganda claims, CO2 is not a pollutant. It is an essential ingredient for life on Earth and needed for plant growth.

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Seth Wright on Jul 21, 2019 at 10:04 pm

Re: North_of_60 on Jul 19, 2019 at 4:22 pm - Absolutely bang on... It is about selling the hero myth. Without which politics and by extension politicians could not survive... So, every 4 years or so we have another set of candidates tell us some lies, rally for a cause they do not understand, tell us things that do not make sense and convince us to act against our own best interests because... And every 4 years many of us take the bait and we vote... And every election cycle we vote, stupidly. Some will even sell you on the idea that voting is democracy, a stupid idea, that ought to be discarded for more rational views. But hey... Voting serves the function of absolution - Not my fault... And we carry on blissfully ignorant of the crap we wade into everyday... The reason many Yukoners cannot smell It is because they're up to their eyes in it while others... It’s rumoured that a skunk does not smell it’s own scent.

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Politico on Jul 21, 2019 at 7:52 pm

@North_of_60 You may not believe the earth is warming but even the nay sayers in this have admitted the earth is warming. Try asking the people trying to keep the Ross River School stable or the elders in old Crow. Or maybe the people of NASA, there are some pretty smart people there. https://www.currentresults.com/Environment-Facts/changes-in-earth-temperature.php
Also quoting H. L. Mencken for your social reasoning is interesting as the man was an admirer of Friedrich Nietzsche, a racist, believed in military conquest and did not believe in Democracy. There is so much wrong with this man I don't know where to begin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Mencken
To bad you didn't include a source for your claim the earth isn't warming, it would be interesting to view the reasoning.

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North_of_60 on Jul 19, 2019 at 4:22 pm

@David is misinformed with the belief: " there is no arguing that humans haven't been speeding this process up significantly."
Published studies of long term temperature and climate data clearly show that the rates of change today are not in any way 'speeding up', unusual, alarming or cause for any 'emergency'. The weather we experience today is not unusual; it's happened before many times and will again.

However one has to read the actual research studies to understand this. You won't read it in 'the news'. The politically motivated/funded media is scamming you to be very afraid so you'll pay increased taxes without complaining or 'un-electing' their benefactors.
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H. L. Mencken 1880 – 1956

@David is correct that we should be focused on how to adapt to an ever changing climate, regardless of the cause.

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Werner Rhein on Jul 19, 2019 at 3:31 pm

This is to all you commenters here, it is sad to read your empty rhetoric. Not one of you has the slightest bit of a solution for the worlds biggest imminent danger, climate change.

Even the US Army says that climate change will be, the largest threat to US sovereignty.
If the climate becomes unbearable we do not need higher wages or low-cost housing, we all will be in for a very hot sauna session.
In the 34 years I live now in the Yukon I've seen dramatic changes in vegetation, wildlife, and temperatures, summer, and winter.

We are at the stage of a slow emergency creeping upon us.
We need a climate deal discussion with our politicians, who were sitting for too long on their hands.
We need to know what their plans are to mitigate the upcoming crisis.
No more empty promises.

We need action, and 20 MW of fossil fuel created electricity is not doing the trick.
The newly created IPP (Independent Power Producer) plan can’t do it either as long as it is under the control of the Yukon Energy Board. They are only interested in keeping the monopoly for electricity production in Yukon.

The Yukon got $800 some Millions for road access to what? Mining only?
Why not for access to areas with good wind possibilities, but not too inaccessible areas, where the road-building and servicing costs will eat the 5% higher wind possibilities.
Build access to un-forested areas to build large solar arrays close to existing power lines.

Build large back-up batteries to cover for the times when there is no wind or solar, so we can have a higher than just 20% of renewable electricity on the grid.
Integrate private battery capacities into the grid with smart grid control and give these private investors some incentives to do so.
Speed up the integration of electrical transport on all levels, where the batteries of these vehicles can also be used as power back up.
All these solutions are actually low cost and can be integrated within a relatively short time frame, and would create a lot of jobs, local jobs, and good paid jobs. Jobs who pay taxes here.

Integrate the cost savings from savings on fossil fuels. Cost savings from not having tremendous costs caused by climate change and the resulting catastrophes, and not just the capital cost.
These are just a few easy achievable solutions. Solutions, our fearless leaders had 20 years and more time to integrate.
I can remember all these planning sessions for future electricity production in the Yukon.
There where lots of words blown in the wind about all these solutions but nothing, absolutely nothing materialized.

No, it was all the same old same way.
Now we at the threshold of an emergency and still it is only talk, and no walk.

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Wilf on Jul 19, 2019 at 2:08 pm

Why do some have to call down other people's point of view instead of taking what others have experienced.

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Wilf on Jul 19, 2019 at 2:06 pm

Lxyn, We all agree on climate change but what's causing it is the issues and we have to identify why our climate is changing and then assess what we should do. Define the problem and then develop a solution. Why is our climate changing is the real question but science that knows will not speak out because of what is taking place here and around the world.
The evolution of the earth is a big one as most science agrees. The science that the media and governments are pushing is not confirmed to be the best science of today. I talked to senior people in the field of science of our climate and they told me a lot of interesting things about our climate and they are experts in the field. They told me one very interesting point and that is China is looking around the world on how to lower their emissions. Looking at things in Europe, in Canada and other places.

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Wilf on Jul 19, 2019 at 1:58 pm

Is it Mr or Ms POl. Last June and spring was the coldest on record in the Yukon but Ms or Mr can't seen to get that in their brain. Got to love stupidity.

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Politico on Jul 19, 2019 at 11:52 am

Congratulations all, us humans just had another record breaking month (June) for heat. The interesting thing is whether you believe in climate change or not it's happening. https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/07/15/earth-just-had-its-hottest-june-record-track-warmest-july/

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David on Jul 19, 2019 at 11:25 am

@Wilf - No one is saying the earth is going to end next week, stop over dramatizing. What exactly makes you qualified to be an expert on the climate? Knowing someone who got two PHDs in "our atmosphere" doesn't cut it. You're right that the climate changes naturally, but there is no arguing that humans haven't been speeding this process up significantly. You spend all your time arguing this, but what does it matter? Regardless of why the climate is changing, everyone agrees it is indeed changing. Why can't we just move on to what is important, which is talking about what we are going to do to adapt?

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Darrell Drugstore's smartest neighbour on Jul 19, 2019 at 10:32 am

EIGHT BILLION PEOPLE on the planet (2.3 when I was born)
everyone of them wants a North American upper class life style.

Do the math people !

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Lynx on Jul 18, 2019 at 9:20 pm

@Wilf, hahahah, yes, yes I'm sure you have a ton of experience in the field of climatology. Odd how you say that about literally every topic which comes up. If one didn't know better they would think you are an accountant, business owner, engineer, economist, biologist, chemist, physicist and now climatologist! And by the way, this wasn't about your knowledge vs other commenters, it was about yours vs the global scientific community. Literally every institution agrees on this, so its mind boggling that you somehow claim to know better.

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North_of_60 on Jul 18, 2019 at 7:02 pm

It was a lot warmer before now in the North, and humans didn't cause it then either.

Zhokhov Island in the Siberian High Arctic today exhibits inhospitably severe climate conditions, desolate tundra, and year-round pack ice in the surrounding sea.
During the Early Holocene, this same island was warm enough to host waterfowl species, birch trees, and year-round human residents who hunted polar bear and reindeer.
https://climatechangedispatch.com/new-evidence-shows-arctic-island-was-5-6c-warmer-9000-years-ago/

Vegetation and Climate of the New Siberian Islands for the Past 15,000 Years
https://bioone.org/journals/Arctic-Antarctic-and-Alpine-Research/volume-35/issue-1/1523-0430(2003)035[0056:VACOTN]2.0.CO;2/Vegetation-and-Climate-of-the-New-Siberian-Islands-for-the/10.1657/1523-0430(2003)035[0056:VACOTN]2.0.CO;2.full

Zhokhov Residents Were Long-Distance Traders
Artifact Evidence From An Arctic Island That Was 5-6°C Warmer 9000 Years Ago.

Artifacts recovered from an archaeological site on Zhokhov Island indicate that the human populations that lived there between about 8250 and 7800 years ago hunted polar bear in the winter and reindeer year-round. They used dogsled technology and the blades they used were made of obsidian or volcanic glass. To procure obsidian, the people of Zhokhov needed to travel extensively to trade with those on the Siberian mainland. The travel distances for the Siberian trade were up to many hundreds of kilometers by dogsled.

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Juniper Jackson on Jul 18, 2019 at 6:26 pm

There are 204,000 hits on this.. NOT ONE OF THESE SITES says there is no climate change. I don't say that either, of course the climate is changing.. but, in Canada, the focus and wording is to get people to vote Liberal. In Australia, the focus is to try to mitigate their already hot weather. There are another 500,000 sites on the dangers of what man is trying to do to provide alternatives..like wind mills. Which don't work and have decimated the bird life, and the clean up on them is horrendous, they are being abandoned and falling apart. There are even more sites on how mankind has risen, and died, 5 times with climate changes, going back 10,000,000 years. (a documentary on that coming out pretty soon. )
I'll say again.. Yes, I believe there is climate change.. but no..I don't believe sending all of our money to refinance the 3rd world countries is going to fix anything. While the elites are going on about climate change, scaring our money out of us by calling it an emergency or a crisis, the rest of us are just trying to pay our bills.. we DON"T want that money grab..the carbon tax.. although, I see the Trudeau word smiting and scare tactics have knocked it out of the front pages.. at the end of the day, I have been forced to hand over my money to people who are already stinking rich.. and the rich get richer right?




https://www.thegwpf.com/experts-say-there-is-no-climate-emergency/

https://earther.gizmodo.com/canadas-climate-emergency-declaration-is-just-empty-wor-1835630454

https://www.rt.com/news/464051-finnish-study-no-evidence-warming/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/25/are-we-experiencing-a-climate-change-emergency/ (if you don't read any of the others, read this one.)

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-liberals-and-the-cbc-say-the-new-phrase-is-climate-emergency This is about the wording, and journalists being forced to use words like 'deniers' -as in holocaust..told to use crisis/emergency.. all the scare tactics words.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly-mcparland-now-its-a-climate-emergency-and-dont-you-forget-it Again, how terminology is being used to manipulate the public.

Thank you Political for commenting, and no, never been to the weed store. No matter what anyones opinion is, its their opinion, and you or me, anyone, do not have the right to try to humiliate them for it. Disagree? but of course.. but what purpose have you served? Did you present a counter argument to inspire some debate and trying to bring us over to your side? Or did you close down all debate, everyone is wrong except you? End of discussion?

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Doctor Gonzo on Jul 18, 2019 at 6:12 pm

Reading some of the comments reminds me how painful it is to watch our some of our elders descend into dementia...

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BnR on Jul 18, 2019 at 6:02 pm

Juniper, everyone has the right to their opinion, but if your opinion is based on conspiracy theory gibberish from sites like canadiantruths.wordpress, well, prepared to be openly mocked.
And Wilf, we know who you are; a service-shopping east coaster of dubious education and experience.

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Wilf on Jul 18, 2019 at 4:26 pm

I just had person in Alberta say only fools rush in, smart people listen, learn and understand.

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Patti Eyre on Jul 18, 2019 at 3:10 pm

Wilf we all know that you have many jobs and done many things with your many university degrees, but all that was in the 1970s. In the last 50 years things have changed, and changed at an unprecedented pace to a unchartered point in time, the present, that is unlike anything the planet has ever experienced. This is directly caused by humans and our way of life. Please. Read a book.

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Wilf on Jul 18, 2019 at 1:50 pm

David and politico who are you? What have you studied in university or did you go to university? What experience do you have in relation to our atmosphere, earth, water, soils, etc., because I do. What is your problem that you can't stand the truth of the facts as they are. I grew up with person a long time ago who got two PHD's in our atmosphere and now has over 45 years experience, I studied Dendrology and bunch of other subjects related to the earth and how it evolves.
I do have some back ground on the subject of our climate but you don't want to hear that - only the BS put out by AL G on how the earth is going to end next week. Believe what you want.

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Politico on Jul 18, 2019 at 1:03 pm

@JJ Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how wrong or out in left field it is. However, going against 1000 years or more of established scientific research does also entitle you to a smack down. Please read some scientific papers on climate change and understand the science behind what the climatologists are saying.

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Groucho d'North on Jul 18, 2019 at 11:16 am

Why use the CBC for political candidate debate on climate? They are biased and in the pocket of the federal Liberals, and they (and the Liberals) would establish whatever rules they want on how to conduct said debates. There are numerous other media options that could be used for these debates that would be much more fair and unbiased. Greenpeace and/or other environmental organizations could sponsor a climate debate on national media, but for some reason they rely on others to carry the flag on this topic...I wonder why?

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Juniper Jackson on Jul 17, 2019 at 5:48 pm

I am seeing more and more comments aimed at people personally.. Wilf is as entitled to an opinion as everyone else. So am I. So is Political and David and Joe and Greg and North.. everyone.. and I think you are all entitled to make that opinion without ridicule from anyone else. Why would anyone write into a forum just to ridicule or humiliate anyone else with no opinion on the topic offered?

By the way Dave on July 16th. Thanks for that post reminding me that there are more immediate issues that we need to look at. What is the use of worrying about the climate if you are homeless? Starving? Had your legs blown off and can't get a pension because you are asking for too much..

Also, I really respect the Star.. they print everything (just about) from everyone without bias.. they leave it to their respective responders to duke it out.. I'm guessing the Star didn't see any of that 600 million dollars?

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Patti Eyre on Jul 17, 2019 at 5:11 pm

CBC has been phoning it in locally for a while now and I'm shocked at how high their salaries are and there is little primary journalism that gets done there, Nancy Thompson being an exception, she is excellent, but why do we need 3 or 4 people on the radio in the morning to do interviews and deliver a weather report? Shannon's weather report is withering! I pray we can get past this, please, CBC, do your jobs! but also, don't hire 2-3 people to do 1 job!!

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Politico on Jul 17, 2019 at 3:57 pm

Wilf and JJ should both learn to read a science book. As we survive another record setting month 97% of climate scientists agree the earth is indeed warming. It's amazing the scientists can build computers, predict eclipses, make life saving medicines but when it comes to climate change 5 minutes on Google turns Luddites into experts. Very sad.

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North_of_60 on Jul 17, 2019 at 2:04 pm

There is no 'climate emergency'. Our weather is not unusual compared with the past 100 years of temperature records in the Yukon. The 60s were much colder winters and the 30s were much hotter summers. Ask the elders, they remember.
What is alarming are the fools flogging delusional beliefs with fantasies over tenths of a degree of warming when seasonal changes can be over 80 degrees.

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Greg on Jul 17, 2019 at 2:02 pm

Good idea.

Climate change, climate adaptation, climate evolution, global warming...it's all the same. So many people arguing over why it's happening but at the end of the day everyone agrees it is happening (regardless of why) so let's talk about what we're going to do about it.

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David on Jul 17, 2019 at 1:57 pm

Wilf's comment's are always so painful to read, but I can't not read them, it's like a car wreck - you can't help but watch as you go by.

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joe on Jul 16, 2019 at 5:00 pm

Haha, we are not in a climate emergency, we are part of the earth's cycle, one we don't control or affect. Time to focus on real problems like climate adaptation, population growth and out of control government spending.

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Juniper Jackson on Jul 16, 2019 at 4:52 pm

Keep in mind that CBC is the mouthpiece for the federal government, in this case, the Liberal party, and I think its pretty clear that on this occasion they are stumping for Trudeau. “As our public broadcaster, funded by public money, the CBC has both the power and moral obligation to make sure that every single person in Canada knows which of our leaders have a real plan to tackle the climate crisis,” rally organizer Braden Lamoureux said Monday.

There is no climate 'emergency'.. Trudeau is running for re election on the environmental platform and the usual scare tactics. Personally, I kind of raise a brow when the people who are scaring the crap out of us pocket another million dollars.. take a jet instead of a 3 hour drive.. people complaining and griping.. ON their cell phones.. do I believe climate is changing? Yeppers? Do I believe taking every last penny I have and giving it to say.. Mumbai is going to fix things? Nope.. Climate Barbie (Catherine McKenna) started a sensational campaign with plastic straws.. had Canada kill off several million trees for paper straws.. but packing those plastic water bottles everywhere.. not to mention a drink too many in a public bar and saying https://www.spencerfernando.com/2019/05/27/video-catherine-mckenna-explains-how-she-lies-to-canadians/

So.. I'm saying, keep in mind CBC, and media got 600 million dollars to say what Trudeau wants them to say.. research, read, research, don't let any party scare you into buying into their crap. Common sense folks. Not extremism.

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Dave on Jul 16, 2019 at 4:50 pm

Well personally I’d like a leaders debate to focus on a lot more than climate change. That could be one small part of it but I don’t want the election campaign to be railroaded by the sky is falling crowd just because they yell the loudest.

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Wilf on Jul 16, 2019 at 4:42 pm

The fact is the fires and floods are not caused by climate change. That is what governments and people who make money out of this and science people who like the money are creating a false narrative on climate change. Once again our climate does change but not because of carbon. It is a natural evolution of the earth. People ask the Federal Government who put out this information for definition of climate change and they cannot give you one. Ours is controlled by the earth's distance from the sun, earthquakes, temperature of the earth interior.

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