Quarry isn’t a compatible use, council told
Almost all those who addressed city council Monday regarding the Official Community Plan (OCP) and the future of the Steven’s quarry site were opposed to having a gravel pit there.
Almost all those who addressed city council Monday regarding the Official Community Plan (OCP) and the future of the Steven’s quarry site were opposed to having a gravel pit there.
There was consistency in their opposition, as they cited dust, noise and the use of prime land that could be used for residential purposes.
Many thanked council for removing Steven’s as the future site for gravel extraction. Some of those who made submissions live at the north end of the city and beyond.
“To put that quarry there where people have, where Yukoners have dug their roots, really would be to me, it would be a dereliction,” renowned Yukon dog musher Frank Turner told council.
“Move it to where there is not development right now.”
The city held the second of two public hearings Monday on council’s review of the OCP.
The intent of the review is to have the OCP guide the city, its growth and development out to 2040.
There have been proposed changes since the review began that have been included in subsequent drafts of the document.
During the review so far, for instance, council has changed the designation of Steven’s Quarry from natural resource extraction to future planning. Steven’s has been identified as one of the largest untapped gravel resources in the city.
Council has also removed the proposal for a traffic corridor through the McIntyre Creek area linking the Alaska Highway with Mountainview Drive.
Allowance for new building heights have also been adjusted.
Many of those who addressed council on the Steven’s Quarry issue thanked council for removing the natural resource extraction designation and changing it to future planning.
For him, Turner said, the Steven’s issue is not about quarries, it’s about values.
There have been instances where money and economy have driven the agenda at the expense of the environment, he said.
Turner said Yukoners have it pretty good up here, but they can’t take that for granted.
There was, however, support for the quarry designation.
Murray Arsenault, the president of the Yukon Contractors Association, said the association does not support the removal of future quarry opportunities at Steven’s.
“The reality is the City of Whitehorse is running out of gravel,” Arsenault told council.
He said the gravel sources the city has currently, such as the McLean Lake quarry, are running out of gravel.
“So the question is: what do we do to find more gravel?”
Arsenault said a replacement for McLean Lake will be required in the mid- to long-term.
The McLean Lake pits could be running short in three to five years, he said, and contractors are looking for new sources.
Arsenault said concerns about noise and dust can be mitigated.
Nana Lehnherr thanked council for removing Steven’s as a future source of gravel, as did the others who are opposed to a gravel quarry in the Steven’s area.
“My family and neighbours have been fighting against Steven’s quarry for 30 years,” she told council. “Please do not develop the area.”
Lehnherr noted at one point, there was a petition signed by more than 9,300 people opposing the quarry.
Liberal cabinet minister Ranj Pillai promised during the 2021 territorial election campaign that the Liberals would not allow a quarry development in the Steven’s area, she pointed out.
Philip Merchant said he’s been a resident of MacPherson Road for 40 years now.
Having a gravel pit at Steven’s Quarry is simply not compatible, he suggested.
Merchant said the city should remove all references to Steven’s quarry on its maps and such because it’s not a quarry, and to keep the name is a disservice to the public, or at least the city should use the word “proposed”.
If a quarry was allowed at Steven’s, it would attract other industrial interests such as an asphalt plant and a concrete plant, he said.
The Steven’s area, Merchant said, is valuable land that will assist the city with future growth and the need for more housing.
The area is located off the Alaska Highway just west of the Mayo Road intersection.
Comments (22)
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Darren on Dec 5, 2022 at 5:44 pm
@Todays Thoughts -
1. More yes, but not significantly.
12 yards/load. Lets say an extra 30 kms round trip.
Fuel and time will equate to about an extra $1.00/yard or $12.00/load.
Hardly significant.
2. You nailed it with this one. Geo-techinical analysis and reports of aggregates within the designated Stevens Quarry area show heavy concentrations of sand. The usable pit run and crushable aggregates with-in that area are less than 50% of recoverable product.
In simple language- lots of sand with some rock. Hardly what makes for efficient or productive recovery on a per hectre area. The original proposed designated extraction area was double the area as to what is now proposed. It was downsized because of the aggregate quality. Mainly sand. The remaining area will have yields of less than 1/4 of current pits in Whitehorse.
(These geo-techinical reports are on file with YG)
On the other hand the designated reserves, both current and future, at the southern end of the Whitehorse, Mclean Lks and south have usable aggregate yields in excess of 90%. And future reserves of 30+ years.
Bit of of a no brainer as to where one should be digging don't ya think?
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Mr Facts on Dec 5, 2022 at 2:42 pm
I was about to say something about Frank Turner, but "Bingo" nailed it. The hypocrisy is hilarious. We need a NIMBY Quest 2023. We exploit things, but you can't.
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Todays thoughts on Dec 5, 2022 at 2:11 pm
I have two thoughts.
1) the number one cost to get gravel is transportation. So, getting gravel farther away will cost significantly more
2) When you use gravel reserves that have less gravel per hectare of land you have to plan, clear cut and build more roads to produce the same amount of gravel, thus increasing the environmental impact.
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North_of_60 on Dec 4, 2022 at 12:40 am
Ear Lake pit isn't depleted, yet the CoW is going to court to force the contractors to leave. There is no lack of gravel resources in city limits, but development and utilization depends on how loud and influential the nearby NIMBYs are.
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Groucho d'North on Dec 3, 2022 at 9:40 am
@George
What good is an Official Community Plan (OCP) that is written in chalk? Plans made in the past do have a shelf life, but investments and property issues were made when there was some comfort and sense of stability of the near term future. Now because a common resource is being depleted nearby and the need for more is raising the materials cost of development, existing property owners should bite the bullet and suffer a degradation of their quality of life because bureaucrats back in the day did not have the foresight to identify and set aside these important resources for future access? The land claim negotiations are another activity where the future growth of this community were not well considered as witnessed by our present shortage of residential building lots.
Why should the public bear the brunt of poor government planning? It is still happening today with the Whistlebend answer to our present housing requirements, problems with access and egress are appearing now. I anticipate water and sewage issues will be along in due course. Too many people crowed into a small geographic area is fodder for social problems too. Whistlebend is a lazy quick-fix alternative to creating new areas for residential development, like along the Copper Haul Road, but that appears to be beyond the capacity of our present governments.
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Josey Wales on Dec 2, 2022 at 6:12 am
Imagine...not good spot for a gravel pit?
Alright, so moving forward shall we lace the area with 15-20 story apartments and or condos?
A Thule factory?
An outdoor natural environment to freely express whatever gender one feels that day, a theme park...for the progressive folks?
I have an idea, use that space to build a museum!
A interactive scene illustrating the old days, the before times, before that disgraceful, I suggest treasonous POS PM Blackface and its merry persons
destroyed everything Canada proper represented.
Room there for cages, re education kiosks, gallows for all those that espouse “unacceptable views”, everyday they could start it by taking down the Canadian flag ( zealots favourite thing to do ) and burn it.
The state appointed park rep can light it with a burning copy of our constitution, whilst chanting all thing done to keep our subjects safe.
Thee obligatory...
B train electric tanker truck full of cherry Kool Aid, spiked of course...for all quests to chug down during the indoctrination process?
That sounds like a better use of that property, and certainly someone out there in spin doctor land will soon illustrate why gravel...is racist or a colonial throwback.
...in 3...2..1.
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George on Dec 1, 2022 at 9:54 pm
Groucho - the city should not look at property values out there because it is irrelevant. If this quarry doesn't go ahead because of possible negative affects on local property values then lets take the shelter out of downtown Whitehorse where people live and move it to some remote area. The same for public housing units. The same for sewage stations, etc etc etc. At the end of the day the vital needs of the majority of the city should come first, full stop.
Yes BnR they are actually NIMBYS, they are the definition of it as you even describe 'development in their backyard'. Yes gravel suppliers are in it to make money, that's the whole point. If their costs go way up from having to transport gravel from further outside of the city, then what they charge will also go way up, meaning most construction projects both public and private will skyrocket.
In the next election I will vote for whichever political party promises to develop this quarry. The Yukon Party refused to do so for 15 years (I thought they were supposedly pro-development?) and now the Liberals seem to be doing the same. Come on folks, my vote is up for grabs!! Same goes for City Council. Lets keep construction costs down as much as possible in Whitehorse.
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Nathan Living on Dec 1, 2022 at 4:02 pm
I would like to see an inventory of gravel deposits near Whitehorse.
If some areas have not been examined for their potential, it's time to do so.
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Flintstones Fan on Dec 1, 2022 at 3:24 pm
The City of Whitehorse should follow the example of the "Slate Rock and Gravel Company" and use brontosauruses to manufacture gravel.
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maple_mex on Dec 1, 2022 at 3:02 pm
The city has no gravel yet they evict owners of Annie Lake Trucking from the ear lake quarry. Hmmmmm
https://www.whitehorsestar.com/News/i-will-be-standing-at-the-gate-operator
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Geoff Capp on Dec 1, 2022 at 12:39 pm
Hah! Maybe McLean Lake should be the next residential development! Solid bedrock for housing foundations! (No, I'm just joking, but at least McLean Lake wouldn't need as much gravel hauled in as does Whistle Bend!)
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Atom on Dec 1, 2022 at 10:05 am
Who cares what a musher has to say about development? Think of all the issues barking dogs have created with this pastime, which sees dogs on 6 ft chains for their life, until they get run.....Cause they love that!
And please, nimbyitis, make them get vaccinated and neutered before attending public meetings.
Oh, and please don't anyone give the realestate people any say in anything.....they wouldn't tell anyone what the rules are anyway. Might affect commissions.
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Kwaday on Dec 1, 2022 at 8:19 am
Appears the city very short sighted here, every home, duplex, etc in Whistle Bend requires an abundance of back fill….”gravel”. A person with any vision at all can estimate how much that will be…The existing pits are not unlimited. If this quarry does not get approved then the onus should be on the COW and YG to find and develop one asap.
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iBrian on Dec 1, 2022 at 7:59 am
NIMBY’s,
I’ve been here 30 years. And since I’m white, that makes me important.
Other people need housing too, so these Granola eaters want any future development to cost a lot more to help increase the value of their property.
Ok, just so we’re on same page
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Bingo on Dec 1, 2022 at 7:54 am
Interesting take from Frank Turner, the man behind the bazillion tons of dog waste and unlimited noise pollution in the area…he’s concerned about values? What value does having 60 plus dogs chained up for most of their lives be?
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BnR on Dec 1, 2022 at 7:18 am
George, these are not NIMBYs, they’re regular tax paying citizens like you who are opposed to this development in their back yard. Everyone has things they hold dear in their neighbourhood, as I’m sure you do.
The gravel suppliers are not some sort of philanthropic collective, they’re in it to make money. Listen to the residents first. The city needs to get this right because this development will be used for years.
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Geoff Capp on Nov 30, 2022 at 6:18 pm
Merchant says the land will be needed for growth in housing developments. And what will those developments be built WITH? What gravel for underground utility installations? What gravel for roads? What gravel for cement for foundations and basement walls? What gravel for driveways?
Unless the buyers of those lots agree to pay a high premium for gravel hauled from who-knows-where, they'd better agree to dirt roads, no underground facilities, and homes built without cement!!
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What? on Nov 30, 2022 at 5:09 pm
“The reality is the City of Whitehorse is running out of gravel,” Arsenault told council. “So the question is: what do we do to find more gravel?”
Is this guy for real? Since when is it the job of City council to ‘find’ gravel for private industry? Read the zoning maps, read geographical surveys and apply to open a pit. There are trillions of square metres of gravel in the Yukon. Follow the process.
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Darren on Nov 30, 2022 at 4:41 pm
There is plenty of gravel around.
There are proven reserves in the area known as Utah yard. Just south of the asphalt and cement plant. More than enough for the next 30+ years.
BUT Wait a minute- the Utah yard gravel is off limits.
If you want NIMBY-ism check on what senior Councillor lives directly across
from the proven Utah yard reserves. Oh! And the Mayor lives just a little further south of that area as well.
There is also unlimited reserves another 15kms west of Whitehorse in the Ibex Valley developed gravel pits. An extra 30kms, round trip, of hauling.
It might ad $2.00/yard to haul. Big deal.
What is the cost of destroying the agricultural bread basket of the Yukon?
The residents in the Takhini Valley have valid concerns.
One thing that Murray did get right is that there is zero stability in the ground at Whistle Bend. Thus the need for a gazillion loads of gravel-any engineer knows that you can never stabilize sand and mud. The whole area is an old river bed.
Perhaps the right choice that would be a win win for future housing would be to build on a stable sub-surface. Cut your losses and move to a different building area.
Problem solved!
How much gravel does a dump truck haul?
Lets say 10 yards.
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Groucho d'North on Nov 30, 2022 at 3:39 pm
At this juncture I would like to hear from the real estate sector about how much property values in Hidden Valley & McPherson subdivisions will be impacted by the creation of the Steven's gravel quarry. Let's get ALL the data on the table before decisions are made and learn what ALL of the costs will be.
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George on Nov 30, 2022 at 3:04 pm
Something strange is going on here. The City desperately needs gravel to stop the price of constructing basically anything, from exploding, and yet they say no to developing this quarry?! Are they Mad?? The only opposition to this was the usual NIMBYS and greenies who oppose everything. There must be more to this story.
Taxpayers throughout the city are getting screwed, so we at least deserve to know why we will be seeing property tax increases in the near future.
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Just Sayin' on Nov 30, 2022 at 2:48 pm
I cannot wait until people in Whitehorse have to pay exorbitant amounts of money for gravel. I get it, NIMBY, but it is part of progress.