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DEVELOPMENT OUTLINED – The map shows the location of the proposed Lobird-area development.

Plan envisions up to 350 mobile or modular homes

The owners of the Lobird Mobile Home Park want to provide a residential development on 70 acres of their own land, but they need assurances from the city.

By Chuck Tobin on November 30, 2022

The owners of the Lobird Mobile Home Park want to provide a residential development on 70 acres of their own land, but they need assurances from the city.

Sean O’Donnell addressed city council at its meeting Monday during the second public hearing into the proposed update on the city’s Official Community Plan (OCP).

O’Donnell said he was appearing on behalf of the Lobird Living Corp. and the two owners of Lobird.

The resident of McRae said they are happy to see the OCP identify the south growth area south of Copper Ridge as the area where residential expansion is slated to occur.

The Lobird Park, he said, has a plan to provide up to 350 mobile homes or modular homes on its 70 acres in the area if they can get assurances the city will bring in water and sewer services.

“We have a lot of plans for developing our 70 acres in the next 10 years and will be investing over $2.2 million of our own money for the infrastructure: power, water, sewer, fibre optic cable on our land,” O’Donnell told council.

He said they also plan to build two play parks and possibly a section for seniors.

Phases two, three and four will be a mix of affordable mobile or modular homes, he said.

O’Donnell told council there is a high demand for affordable housing with an aging population and young families moving in.

“We have seen demand first-hand,” he said. “We receive calls every day from people to see if there is any lots or space for mobile homes.”

O’Donnell said it was a pleasure discussing their plans with Chief Doris Bill of the Kwanlin Dün First Nation who, he said, shares their vision for affordable housing in the area.

Affordable housing is helpful with the increased cost of living and higher mortgage rates consumers are currently facing, he told council.

“We want to help everybody have a chance to own a home.”

O’Donnell said the new mobile homes or modular homes provide an environmentally friendly and affordable option for addressing the housing shortage in a timely manner.

The new homes, he said, meet high CSA A277 modular standards for energy efficiency, and have Arctic packages available.

“They are very well-insulated, they come with triple-pane windows and we have our 70 acres available to install up to 350 mobile homes,” he said.

O’Donnell said the land south of Copper Ridge is flat, developable land that is not in conflict with green space or recreation space.

“We hope the city will proceed with bringing water and sewer to us,” he said. “This will allow us to accommodate development of our property.”

The project would also allow Lobird Park to install a few fire hydrants in the existing park that is currently unserviced, he said.

“Phase two, three, and four on Lobird estates will be a beautiful community with breathtaking views, relaxing hiking trails and very close to downtown,” he said. “It’s a great place for a balance of living.”

He emphasized they would like to provide affordable housing, which would be possible if they had access to municipal water and sewer services.

Coun. Ted Laking said it was exciting to have the developable land there, and it would be great to see new housing enter the market.

Laking asked O’Donnell when they might start seeing the new homes come available.

O’Donnell said they have hit a bit of a snag as Lobird is currently serviced with a four-inch water main, and they would be required to have six-inch service.

“In a perfect world, our phase two plan would start in 2023 and end in 2026,” he said. “That is very ambitious on our part.”

He said they could move quickly, but could not actually place any mobile units on the property until they had water and sewer service from the city.

Before Lobird spends any money on the proposal, they would need to know more about time lines and if the city is even willing to bring water and sewer to the area, he said.

O’Donnell said they are also at the mercy of the manufactured homes industry, as the homes would be coming from B.C., Alberta and possibly Alaska.

Building the homes in Whitehorse would be a benefit to the local economy, but given the shortage of contractors and the amount of work going on in the Yukon, they realized buying from Outside would speed up the timeline and allow people to get into new homes sooner, he said.

O’Donnell reiterated they can’t spend any money on infrastructure if they do not have anywhere to hook into.

There was no indication from members of council regarding O’Donnell’s request, and one was not expected, as it was a public hearing.

Comments (19)

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Myopic Ideologues in the Foreground on Dec 6, 2022 at 11:22 am

Dear YukonMax on Dec 5, 2022 at 6:17 am:

Mobile home parks are often high density, uninsurable investments, significantly more susceptible to fires. They are also internment centres for wealth mining, monitoring, and social control through the enforcement of externally imposed rules.

This is not a good thing. Besides, they are representative of the new world order wherein quarantine centres are now part of the socio-environmental landscape. The regional prefect will be along shortly with your social credit score, your ration card for the corporate store, and your lottery tickets for your child’s chance to represent your district in the next hunger games.

Have you not heard, humans are not herd animals! Not, are they by todays standards, social creatures - The L-NDP Ideologues have gone great lengths to crate social division and unrest in one long stride to the singularity event - FFS!

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YukonMax on Dec 5, 2022 at 6:17 am

13 yrs ago I paid 22,000 for a mobile in a community. Sold it 35,000 5 yrs later to buy a house. So that how it is suppose to work for many, many of us who aren't employed by " a government". Feds, territorial, municipal or first nation and I am left wondering if I forgot some?

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if it lasts 100 years... on Dec 4, 2022 at 7:12 pm

If a condo last 100 years, it can be a good investment, you pay for it for 25 years and then you can live in it for 75 more years rent free while you save money for your next place.

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Jim on Dec 3, 2022 at 6:16 pm

@Housing Bubble… Again! Have you looked in the real estate guide in say the last 10 or so years. Mobile homes have not depreciated. Much like any other property they have increased to what might be a peak and with rising interest rates sale prices may dip. But with the lack of properties for sale and the cost to build anything, there will not be a market crash in the Yukon. People who cannot afford a stand alone house on a lot can usually afford the cost of a mobile home. The pad rent is no different than condo fees or lease land from First Nations which is where we are heading. I’m not sure where all you anti-mobile home people grew up. It was common place for people who wanted out of rental accommodation to look at mobile home purchases. It was a stepping stone to home ownership. That way you built equity until the time was right for a home purchase. For some reason now people think they should be able to just skip that step.

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Lobird on Dec 2, 2022 at 4:26 pm

Please go to the “Lobird Living” Facebook page and look at the pictures under the comments section.
These are beautiful well insulated homes that we can bring to Whitehorse.

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2008 Housing Bubble… Again! on Dec 2, 2022 at 4:14 pm

Dear Anie on Dec 2, 2022 at 12:52 pm:

No they do not. It’s an illusion that will bust.

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Anie on Dec 2, 2022 at 12:52 pm

Marylaker, owning the prefab home, and renting the land, is an excellent introduction to eventual home ownership. In my experience, so long as the home is maintained and the neighbourhood is nice, these residences do, in fact, increase in value. Times have changed a lot since the 1970's trailer parks. This proposal is at least worthy of further discussion.

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Lobird on Dec 1, 2022 at 5:47 pm

MaryLaker, it is not a declining asset, ask the people who sold their mobile homes for over 180k in the last 2 years.
Some of the tiny homes or mobile homes can be purchased for under 190k, they can pay a mortgage instead of rent. The lot fee is like a condo fee, it includes road maintenance, water, sewer, staff etc. the owners also pay the bulk of the property taxes. These homes will be affordable housing.
Please go to the “Lobird Living” Facebook page (public comments section) to see pics of some of the beautiful reasonably priced homes that we can bring in.

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marylaker on Dec 1, 2022 at 1:58 pm

Problem is, people with lower income will once again not be able to invest in ownership. They'll be renters providing their own rental unit. The same idea but selling the lots would allow lower income people to participate in wealth creation for themselves, instead of for others. This project leaves them with a declining asset, that's all. Sorry but that's the truth. The government did do a mobile home park where residents own their lots. River Ridge or something like that, in Takhini. I think that has been a great and understated success. People got in cheap and own the land under their trailer.

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Yukoner on Nov 30, 2022 at 8:33 pm

Time for YG to get out of the land development game entirely! If it is in city limits - let the city manage it all. City and private/non-profit developers will move MUCH faster if they don’t have to deal with ‘where good ideas go to die -YG!’

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bingo on Nov 30, 2022 at 8:25 pm

@Oya....Blake and his family have owned this property for years, goes back to the day when land was more affordable.

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Dwight on Nov 30, 2022 at 6:51 pm

Oya, lot fees will be affordable and include water, sewer, garbage and road maintenance.
Wes, yes tiny home will be allowed, brand new homes can start at $160k.
See our pics on our “Lobird Living” Facebook page.

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Darren on Nov 30, 2022 at 5:02 pm

This would take a lot of pressure off of developing more lots in WB.
It would also solve the perceived ongoing gravel supply issue.
Less lots in a sinking Whistle Bend means less need for gravel.

And guess what..Lobird is right beside existing gravel reserves.
A perfect solution to an on going crisis that not one government agency seems to be able to resolve.

Kudo’s to the owners and to Chief Bill for having the insight and foresight.

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Guncache on Nov 30, 2022 at 4:56 pm

If this goes forward, hopefully they won't be crammed together so tight you can't park 2 vehicles.

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Snowball on Nov 30, 2022 at 4:00 pm

How much to buy a Mobile home ?? I bet not one of those 350 mobile homes will be for people to Rent. More an more people rent in ol' Yukon. How many Yukoners buy a home that are born and raised?? I bet people coming up from other provinces taking all the rentals are the reason high prices for rent in the first place.

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Oya on Nov 30, 2022 at 3:44 pm

Great idea! This is the type of housing that is needed. Hopefully the monthly lot rental fee, on top of the mortgage payment, will be affordable.
Would be interesting to know when the owners got the opportunity to purchase that much land right in Whitehorse. That was a good scoop.
And, call me down for it, but I'm over-the-top happy it is not FN land! Maybe the owners can get the same sweet deal Kwanlin Dun and its dev corp get....

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Anie on Nov 30, 2022 at 2:46 pm

If done right, this can be an excellent solution to the issue of affordable housing, by providing starter homes and senior's transition housing. We have to get beyond the "everybody deserves a 3 bedroom full basement bungalow" mentality. I hope the city cooperates.

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Wes on Nov 30, 2022 at 2:39 pm

Would they have to be mobile homes, or would a potential resident be allowed to hook up a tiny home? Tiny homes can be built to the NBC while mobile homes are built to the CSA Z240. A bunch of “tiny homes” could bring a fresh look to this sort of development.

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Juniper Jackson on Nov 30, 2022 at 1:57 pm

I'm sure the Liberal city councillors will find a way to fix this until it's broken beyond all repair. If it sounds like a plan..it soon won't.

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