Photo by Whitehorse Star
RESIDENTS OBJECT – The proposed changes for the properties at 102 and 104 Lambert St. have provoked widespread opposition. Thomas de Jager, left, Valerie Anderson
Photo by Whitehorse Star
RESIDENTS OBJECT – The proposed changes for the properties at 102 and 104 Lambert St. have provoked widespread opposition. Thomas de Jager, left, Valerie Anderson
Nearly 60 residents have stated their opposition to the rezoning of two Lambert Street properties in a petition to city council.
Nearly 60 residents have stated their opposition to the rezoning of two Lambert Street properties in a petition to city council.
No one spoke at a public hearing during Monday’s city council meeting.
However, Valerie Anderson, the city’s acting director of corporate services, said the city received 58 signatures in a petition opposing the change for 102 and 104 Lambert St.
It also received two other written submissions – one in support and one expressing concerns with the proposal.
Yukon Wide Adventures, owned by Thomas de Jager, has brought forward the rezoning application, which would change the two properties from a Core Commercial to a Mixed Use Commercial zone so his business could operate there.
He’s proposing to renovate the three buildings on the site and move them to the front of the property. He has the approval of the properties’ owner.
Yukon Wide Adventure’s major touring and outdoor recreation vehicle rental operation would continue out of its Pilot Mountain site. The downtown location would serve as more of a secondary location that showcases what the company offers, booking tours and offering a few rentals.
The petition was signed by 24 residents of the Closeleigh Manor seniors’ building next door on Lambert Street in addition to 38 others living in various areas of the city.
It argues the buildings on the site should not be moved and instead be preserved and designated as a heritage site.
The proposal for equipment rentals should not be allowed, the petition argues.
“That would increase the traffic around our building,” it’s stated.
“There are many individuals in Closeleigh Manor who use walkers, and with the increase in traffic, this could be very dangerous for them.”
Having machines stored on the site creates more potential for theft and vandalism on the property, which in turn makes it unsafe for those using walkers in the area, the petition argues.
The proposal also sparked concerns over traffic and noise.
There were statements that both would increase, resulting in emergency services having a harder time getting to the area when there is a need and the noise level disturbing those living in the area.
“We also feel that there would be more gasoline and other supplies, and it would impact the air quality in our building as well as it would create more dust in the air,” the petition states.
It was pointed out in the petition that there’s also a potential for parking designated for Closeleigh Manor to be lost.
“We already have to watch our parking spaces, as many people do not consider it our parking lot, and continue to use it and thus take away our parking,” the petition reads.
“We get a lot of people who think they can park in our space whenever we leave them.”
The statement goes on to remind city officials that those living at Closeleigh Manor “are the seniors who have been here a long time and helped to make the city what it is, and would not like to see too many changes.”
Responding to the petition this morning, de Jager countered many of the issues brought up in the petition.
Parking, he said, would be provided on site.
With 90 per cent of his business coming from those arriving here by plane, he said, it’s not anticipated the business would have a major impact on traffic or parking in the area.
Plans for the downtown location would also see a forklift used to move the few off-road vehicles that may be rented there onto vehicles, thereby not requiring additional fuel onsite.
“I don’t need fuel,” he said.
Addressing the traffic and parking issue, he pointed out the current zoning of Core Commercial already allows for restaurants and bars on the site, which would likely bring more vehicles to the area than his shop would.
His plans would also see a property cleaned up and put to use with the historic buildings renovated.
de Jager was quick to point out that the buildings do not have heritage status – though they have heritage value – and there’s nothing precluding the owner from tearing them down.
The three log structures were built in the 1930s and 1940s by Martin Berrigan, who also built the Log Skyscrapers, designated as a heritage site in 2000.
de Jager stressed his plans would see the buildings moved within the site, placed at the front of the property to make it more aesthetically pleasing.
While one building would be renovated for office space, another would be used as a storefront for Yukon Wide Adventures with the third structure housing seasonal staff.
A fourth storage building is also proposed to be built at the back of the property.
A fence would also be put up around the site. There would also be a caretaker residence for staff to stay in providing a presence in the area.
“We’d make the area safer. I think it will be more to their favour,” he said of the plans and the impact it could have on area residents.
de Jager also expressed disappointment with the format of the public hearing.
While he had attended the hearing to respond to any concerns raised, he didn’t get to address the issues raised in the petition. That’s because they came forward as a written submission brought up after the hearing had formally closed.
A report on the hearing will come forward to council next week before a July 27 vote on second and third readings of the zoning change.
If council turns down the zoning request, de Jager said, he would back off of his plans for a second location and continue to operate entirely from the Pilot Mountain site.
Coun. Mike Gladish attended Monday’s meeting via conference call.
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Comments (13)
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Bob McGoo on Jul 16, 2015 at 3:55 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am, the Closeleigh manner residents came out en masse against Rendezvous and the Yukon Quest start as well, complaining about snow trucks beeping one night a year, and the general noise and disturbance to their peace and quiet.
In a nutshell, it does not sound like they are a very good fit for downtown life. They live one block from Main Street, on the water front, and complain if there is too much action. And by that they mean too many cars parked, a beep in the night once a year, etc. These people should seriously consider moving someplace with less going on and stop complaining about regular downtown life.
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Yukoner2 on Jul 16, 2015 at 3:35 pm
So, YukonBob, let's stick you up in the back 40 bush, Whistlebend!!
Those living at Closeleigh enjoy living there and the surroundings now, busy as it is (tourist info across the street, Tim Hortons amongst other businesses). More vandalism, traffic the likes is NOT needed.
The little parking they have is for their vehicles and saftly for their vehicles they drive. None of these people need "continuing care"!!! Perhaps the "walker users" have the arthritis that one day you will get, or they perhaps have had a knee/hip replacement. Just a thought before I'll speak....we will all be in this position one day soon enough. We must enjoy life while we can and why be unhappy for those who are trying to make the best of life while they can?
Realistically, there are industrial areas for uses like this, and should be used for such.
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north on Jul 16, 2015 at 11:25 am
@Marray- those businesses on Ogilvie have been here longer than most businesses and people in this town - the 60's (I can remember that far back). They have paid for that road to be paved and donate to countless organizations in the Yukon. They provide machines and equipment to people who need them for their sustenance lifestyles throughout the Yukon, BC, NWT and probably Alaska.
I bet my dollar that this business is EXTREMELY difficult to run and is not as profitable as you think... Many views on private business in the Yukon are appalling. I am assuming you had a 8 - 4:30 job and now are gearing up for your pension or have already started. You got breaks and an hour lunch. Either that or you have lived off of government dollars in some form - contracts etc.. We live in lala land up here and IT WILL NOT LAST! Where do you think the money comes from to fund your lifestyle... it comes from these businesses hard work and tax dollars. Get a reality check. Please do not pick on small business.
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Just Say'in on Jul 15, 2015 at 7:14 pm
Both Mark and Murray are likely recent imports to The Yukon. I can here that central Canadian twang. Probably have to push 1 or 2 to talk to them at work. haha
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Mark S on Jul 15, 2015 at 4:02 pm
Murray
I really enjoyed your comments and believe the majority of city residents feel the same way regarding off-road vehicle use in and around town.
Its starting to get a little old to see comments from people who characterize sincere and measured concerns about ATVs as NIMBY statements with the inevitable slant that these comments come from southerners who have recently moved here and those people should return to the south.
Things have to change to reestablish quiet enjoyment of homes and greenspaces. Sooner or later the city will take the initiative and face this issue head on rather than pander to a few businesses and people who seem to have little respect for their neighbours and visitors to our city.
Can you imagine camping by the river if the city had allowed motorized vehicles on the Rotary Bridge. I do not think they have restricted hours thus the campers would have had to use earplugs many nights to muffle the trail bike and ATV noise.
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June Jackson on Jul 15, 2015 at 2:39 pm
To: Yukon 56... you didn't comment on the article at all.. just wanted to take a shot at me..why did you comment at all? are you bored?
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north_of_60 on Jul 15, 2015 at 10:23 am
The type of activities generated by a business like the one proposed would be totally inappropriate for that part of town. Such activities and the objectionable noise and odors it will inevitably bring would be disruptive and disrespectful to the existing residents. Such a business would be much better suited to the industrial section at the north end of town.
Do not approve this rezoning application.
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Dustin G on Jul 15, 2015 at 6:18 am
I say go for it. The way they are now they are used for vandalism. Kids get on the roof of the small one at the front of the property and jump onto the optical building and we get to see the handiwork on the top of the Optical/Northwestel store.
The way the guy seems to be planning to use them is the best idea I've seen so far renovating structures that have been sitting unused for years and putting a business that won't generate much more traffic then what is already there. If the parking problem continues to be a problem which it apparently already is they should petition the city to do something to prevent the spots from being taken.
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YukonBob on Jul 14, 2015 at 9:20 pm
I suppose the residents of Closleigh Manor could move to Whistlebend's new continuing care facility if they don't like the downtown traffic..... oh wait, everyone is complaining that the Whistlebend facility isn't going to be downtown..... can't please everyone it would seem.
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just Say'in on Jul 14, 2015 at 5:58 pm
@Murray If you feel so strongly about saving this property as is, then buy it, then you can do what you want with it.
Where did all these Nimby's come from?
Someone owns this property and pays taxes on it they should be able to rent to to whoever they please. If not, then the City or YTG should buy it and do whatever they want with it. You can't just tell someone that they must pay taxes but you cannot renovate or rent the building. This is getting crazy, get a life folks.
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Yukon 56 on Jul 14, 2015 at 5:19 pm
"Personally, I am neither for nor against" June, why comment at all, Bored???
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Murray on Jul 14, 2015 at 3:59 pm
I am one for leaving the buildings untouched, unless we were to make them tourist attractions and mini-museums. I see tourists walking about trying to decide what is of interest in our town, which is increasingly given over to condos and side-by-sides and the odd misplaced lot-filling house that belongs in Arkell, not downtown. This could be a site of interest--in particular being across from tourist 'big-rig' parking.
But my objection is mainly to do with off-road vehicles and the businesses that take advantage of lax wilderness laws--wilderness which is under huge attack by those who are enjoying this free space because it cannot be patrolled, especially when laws do not provide for its protection--to fatten their wallets. These machines, unless kept to prescribed trails (and do not make new ones) , because they damage merely by being ridden over anything growing, should not be allowed. I often see errant machines driven downtown on off-hours (Sundays, late in the evenings), and I am thankful this is not legal, so rare. But to have these exhaust-spewing, very noisy machines in that relatively quiet area seems ludicrious. There are already too many such shops around Ogilvie east, and one can hear the noisy blatting of the revved engines all over the north end of downtown. They are profiting, as I say, off lax laws and causing havoc in nesting and feeding areas throughout the Yukon. Maybe such misuse is by a few; I wouldn't know. But even the alleged few can do major damage in short order.
Back to the business proposal: please say no. The buildings have been neglected, yes, but they have tourist potential. We are quickly losing any semblance of history here due to the Shipyards renewal (Ernie's hill), the routing of any squatter areas (thanks to Arlin McFarlane's Nuit Blanche reminder chalk project), condos and unlikely barn-homes, and one day we'll wonder what Whitehorse ever was.
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June Jackson on Jul 14, 2015 at 3:30 pm
No one cares how long anyone has been here. YTG doesn't respect seniors... why should the council? Mr. de Jager is interested only in expanding his business, so obviously he doesn't care either what any one has to say, except to find a way to counter it.
Personally, I am neither for nor against..but I would like to see credence and concern for the issues people who live in the area raise.