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Peel issue attracted 10,000-plus responses

More than 10,000 people voiced their opinions during the latest round of public consultations regarding the future of the Peel River watershed.

By Ashley Joannou on March 21, 2013

More than 10,000 people voiced their opinions during the latest round of public consultations regarding the future of the Peel River watershed.

Premier Darrell Pasloski thanks all who participated, but says he will be paying more attention to the opinions of Yukoners when it comes to making a final decision.

"I think we have to listen carefully to people that live in the Yukon,” the premier told the Star Wednesday afternoon.

"I think that when a Yukoner gives me a comment about land or land use planning in the Yukon, that has more weight than someone who lives in Hong Kong.

"And quite frankly, we were elected by Yukoners to make decisions on behalf of Yukoners.”

According to statistics made public Wednesday, 2,127 individual submissions were received. They include communication email, fax, standard mail and the online feedback form.

Of those, 82 per cent — or 1,747 submissions — came from the Yukon.

The government's statistics categorize things like petitions, form letters and postcard campaigns separately.

Those numbers show that 8,048 signatures were collected.

Those include:

• 5,058 from a Canadian Parks and Wilderness Society (CPAWS) petition;

• 1,729 from a petition by the Yukon Conservation Society (YCS) and Big Wild; and

• 299 signatures from a postcard campaign led by the Yukon Chamber of Mines.

Of the 299 postcards as part of the chamber's campaign, 78.5 per cent came from the Yukon. That works out to about 235 postcards.

Of the 5,058 signatures on the CPAWS petition, 6.9 per cent originated from the Yukon. That's about 349 people.

On the YCS petition, 2.5 per cent of the signatures were from the territory — about 43 people.

In the total 8,048 signatures, 1,034 came from the Yukon — 12.8 per cent.

Combining everything together, 27.3 per cent of the signatures and other submissions came from the territory.

The release of the participation statistics will be followed by the posting of public comments on the government's consultation website as well as a What We Heard document, summarizing the comments received, the government says.

Pasloski did not provide a timeline for when the document will be available or when a final decision regarding the Peel's future will be made. The government is still consulting with affected First Nations leaders, he said.

Gill Cracknell, CPAWS Yukon's executive director, called the turnout "tremendous,” adding she is waiting for the more detailed report on the comments.

"I think that all the opinions should be considered,” she said.

"I think that people in the Yukon have an important say. I think the communities have spoken; we saw that in the newspapers,” Cracknell said.

"When we see how these figures fall out in terms of people's support, that will be the time to see what the real support for the commission's plan is.”

Cracknell pointed out that under the Umbrella land claim's Umbrella Final Agreement, regional land use planning commissions are required to "promote the well-being of Yukon Indian people, other residents of the planning region, the communities, and the Yukon as a whole, while having regard to the interests of other Canadians.”

"It is important to consider Canadians as whole,” she said.

In 2011, the Peel Watershed Planning Commission recommended some form of protection for 80 per cent of the Peel (55 per cent complete protection and 25 per cent interim protection).

The government has the ability to accept, reject or modify the plan.

NDP environment critic Kate White said Wednesday she believes "the number game is irrelevant.

"The Yukon government went into a relationship with First Nations about land use planning, and all governments put forward people to be on this land use planning commission. The planning commission came up with their final recommended plan,” she said.

"For me, the real point is whether they will respect that relationship and accept the plan the way it was written.”

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Comments (19)

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Tintina talk on Mar 29, 2013 at 12:31 am

Maybe the Feds are footing the bill for the Faro mine clean up, but from now on, we are on our own. Don't forget it cost well over 10 millions per year to contain the goop up there. At the current rate, it will take one hundred years or so before the landscape starts to look like it was before mining. And if the two first nation currently eyeballing the pot (Ross River and Watson Lake) get their hands on it, well the clean up and reclamation will be a perpetual exercise. Yukon cannot afford even one of them disaster. On another note, Faro residents will most likely enjoy a cleaned up area before getting call display or even highspeed internet that can service their airport...Lol!

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not impressed on Mar 27, 2013 at 11:37 am

The recent estimated 1 billion dollar clean up issues at Giant Mine Project should give you an idea of the amount of money that is required for mine cleanup and reclamation. Can you tell me that the mines' deposits compare to this? The deposits are walk-away money. Take the resources and run, like the Yukon Party.

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YCS/CPAWS=BANANA on Mar 27, 2013 at 8:16 am

Hey Groucho d'North...I tend to drone on a tad typically but today there is no need, as your absolutely fantastic post said it all.

I wonder if Birkenstock/Thule wished to build a factory here...how much resistance they would get. Rhetorical of course that was.

Whilst I do not always agree with your POV today?....YUP!

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Whitehorse lifer on Mar 26, 2013 at 2:47 pm

Jackie ward

With all your rants regarding the peel and the oil and gas coming to the Yukon. Have you done any research yourself or just gone from what the papers and other people have told you. You say that it's going to be a Faro all over again. Well I hate to break it to you cause it won't be. With all these new mines that have started up or that want to start up they have to put up a certain amount of money before they start for reclamation and clean up and when they apply for more they have to put more money aside. There are more regulations for water licenses and operating procedures. On another note you saying that people that have lifted trucks and a sled deck with 2 sleds either come from the oil patch or is a miner. Maybe they are hard working individuals that decide to do that with their vehicle.

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dwayne Tiedeman on Mar 26, 2013 at 10:13 am

Blackpowder

The second statement you make about revenue generation on taxes is actually right on the mark in my opinion

This territory needs to make sure that "WE" Yukoner's get fair financial compensation for our resources, this includes the full cleanup and restorations of land disturbed by any form of development when the stakeholders are done with it.

However your first statement that since we receive $25,970.41 for every person in the territory (I will go with your numbers since I don't have the info in front of me) we need to do as the rest of the country demands and for that matter people that don't call Canada home is kind of ridiculous since only two regions in Canada DO NOT receive transfer payments. Following your argument we can intervene in Quebec's language laws or the Teacher problem in Ontario since both these provinces receive huge federal transfer payments. That is obviously not how that will play out, rightly so and how it should be here as well. "WE" Yukoner's will make this decision on our own, right wrong or otherwise. Following the dictates of our rightfully elected government and "ALL" the people who give their input not just those funded by outside sources.

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bobby bitman on Mar 26, 2013 at 8:10 am

Groucho says, "Theirs' (CPAWS) is a principles-based argument and they do not appear to believe compromise has any value in resolving these project review processes."

How does this compute with their written and stated desire to see the Peel Final Recommendation implemented, which is a dramatic compromise, opening 25% to mining right now, 20% set aside to be allocated 10 years from now, and only 55% protected permanently? How can you say 'they do not appear to believe compromise has any value'?

Next, saying that tourism and mining can exist side-by-side is disingenuous at best. Unless you are talking about tours of the barren mess left behind from the 'Gold Rush' that occurred 100 years ago and still has fresh scars left behind to amaze the tourists in Dawson City. Ya sure, great 'sharing of the wilderness' going on there!

Compromise in terms of using the wilderness in the Peel region really does mean setting some of it aside for wilderness values, including tourism wilderness values but also recreational, subsistence, and strictly ecological values.

Eat your words Groucho, and join the table for 'compromise' by supporting the Final Recommendation. We need to work together.

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Jackie Ward on Mar 26, 2013 at 5:55 am

It's hilarious reading pro-mining opinions. All I know is your industry can't be trusted. Your only argument it seems is "are you using an iPhone?, well thank a miner". Is that all you have? What about the cleanup costs that the public is always, I repeat ALWAYS left to pay? What's your stance on that? I like tough questions. Pro mining people are some of the most selfish people I've ever met. "What about feeding my family?" is another classic cry. Again, you just prove its all about your selfish needs. No talk about saving what we have for future generations. Oh right, that doesn't "feed your family", so that's not going to work is it?

It really shows peoples intelligence when people support building a road through McIntyre Creek. Wow, so you can save 2 minutes off your commute? Who cares if it's a very important wildlife corridor. As long as your needs come first right? More and more people would rather kill every animal because they just get in the way. The more I see that opinion, the more I respect animals. I would rather live with beings who are not selfish, arrogant, destructive, liars, cheats. Beings who just live their lives and doesn't create misery where ever they go. We could learn a lot from them actually.

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Arn Anderson on Mar 25, 2013 at 3:15 pm

Wow, 10k responses to ANOTHER public consultation? You know how Stats Canada would love to hear those numbers! The amount of data they can collect and analyze! Pasloski has no vision and is willing to throw away some/half/most of the data because it doesn't fit his "fill my pockets" agenda. Typical, keep voting these idiots in, oh, keep lining up to vote, that's a waste of time. Not voting is a vote contrary to false public opinion. Things DO NOT change with politicians, only their bank accounts.

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Groucho d'North on Mar 25, 2013 at 9:44 am

CPAWS history demonstrates they are not against mining, but rather they are against development if it means the natural flora and fauna is disrupted in any manner. I remember well the days of Juri Peepre and Ken Madson and the various campaigns they launched over the years to prevent development of some description.

CPAWS mounted an anti-development campaign for the McIntyre subdivision proposal, they also were against the subdivision development near Mount Sima, they opposed the Windy Craggy project proposal some years ago, individual mining project proposals are also poo-pooed by CPAWS for no other reason than their Save The Planet ideology. Placer hearings, water licences, forestry allocations you name it – they oppose it. Theirs' is a principles-based argument and they do not appear to believe compromise has any value in resolving these project review processes.

So when it comes time to stack the deck in public consultations, they spread the word among their fellow organizations like the Sierra Club, Greenpeace and their similar ilk. The cause de jour gets all kinds of emails and form letters sent to the Minister responsible with the same rubber stamp message: Don't allow development, preserve the area in question – like there is anything else they would say. Now they argue these foreign comments have the same value as the people who live and work here, which leads me to another issue I have with this campaign to save the Peel for Yukon people.

The save-it people recently ran a newspaper campaign with testimonials from doctors, dentists, retired senior bureaucrats and similar well-heeled people who say how much they enjoy the Peel. It's not being saved for the average Yukoner- it's for another elitist recreational area. No roads into the Peel district means it's a fly-in trip, or you can take a month off from your job and hoof it in somehow, but either way, it is not being saved for the average wage-earning Yukoner; it's for the wealthy who can afford the guided trip by a tourism operator or outfitter.

Why should one economic sector (Tourism) have the exclusive rights to exploit an area for their profit? Government has promoted a non-exclusive all sectors approach from the beginning and I support them in this view.

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Blackpowder on Mar 24, 2013 at 1:20 am

Dwayne...

If the Yukon Taxpayer supported BC the same way that the rest of Canada supports us, then I would agree with you. Kinda hard to play the "only us matters" card when you, and the rest of us, each personally, get 25,970.41 $ this year from the rest of Canada....and we contribute as Yukoners, 4,352.94 $ to our own upkeep.

so, yes, we do need to pay attention to what "the rest of Canada thinks". Canada matters, but on the path of our government, what will matter will be off shore multi-nationals taking our minerals, and leaving us scraps. Aust. has a 30 % tax on coal being taken, and they have no problem selling it...us? we cannot even get the Placer folks to move past a 1906 royalty regime!

regionalism gets us no where.

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Habsfan on Mar 23, 2013 at 7:20 am

The the Yukon Party Strategy on the Peel, and on.

Um we are only going to listen to yukoners on this one.

Um we are only going to listen to yukoners that want to rip and tear the Peel to shreds.

Um we only listen to Yukon Party supporters on the Peel.

Um we only listen to Yukon Party supporters that want to rip and tear the Peel to shreds.

Um we only listen to the Yukon Party cabinet on the Peel.

Um we only listen top Yukon Party cabinet members that want to rip and tear the Peel to shreds.

Um I guess we will go to court, using Yukon Tax Payers money to lose and pay all kinds of costs that the Yukon Party will not have to pay.

Peel is protected, we lose the next election, take our pensions and start grooming a bunch of little Yukon Party ministers to get at that public trough in the not to distant future, since the left can't get their collective you know what together.

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bobby bitman on Mar 23, 2013 at 3:36 am

Only people eligible to vote in Yukon elections should be able to donate to political parties. Not unions, and not corporations. If the members of the union want their money to go to a party, they can donate directly, likewise the employees of the corporation.

The situation we have here is one where mining corporations owned by outside interests, including the Chinese government, are dictating what will happen in the Peel.

Most Yukoners want at least 55% of the Peel closed off from industrial development as per the final plan. And most Yukoners who voted in the last election did not vote for the Yukon Party.

Darrel and friends are responding to the wishes of the corporations who paid their party through donations. That is where their loyalty lies, not with Yukoners.

I respect the input of those who live in the Yukon and want the Peel open to industrial development. They have a legitimate voice and we need to work together.

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Jackie Ward on Mar 22, 2013 at 6:19 pm

Dave. The strawman arguments don't work here. No one voted on anything. They simply stated their opinion.

It's really laughable the premier says he only cares what Yukoners have to say. Hey Darrell. We did speak. And you ignored us. And threw many years of consultation out the window. Your rhetoric is that of a spoiled child. Nothing you say or do makes sense. Your party has nothing to do with the Yukon. Just like Leef, just a mouthpiece of Harper. And now you are trying to spin this in your favor. It's rather sad and pathetic the energy you put into going against the majority of what Yukoners really want. And the small vocal minority who only care about their self interests, aka miners.

People didn't learn from Faro, why would they learn now? It's gimme gimme gimme now, screw the future. Screw our kids and their future. As long as you get your stupid new truck with a lift kit right? And 2 sleds in the back. Why is it you can pick out someone in the oilpatch or mining by the truck they drive? Trust me, you are not impressing anyone except yourself.

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Dwayne Tiedeman on Mar 22, 2013 at 9:48 am

Well I do vote here and live here. I fully expect my elected government to listen to me and my fellow Yukoners and no one else.

I am quite frankly tired of foreign funded groups (cpaws) whining that the the government won't cow to their demands

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Dave on Mar 22, 2013 at 7:40 am

So do you think Yukoners should get to vote on whether the new houses should continue creep up the northshore mountains in Vancouver?

I agree with the Premier that out of territory votes are not as important as local votes.

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Atom on Mar 22, 2013 at 7:00 am

The Yukon Party changed the rules on Regional planning in the Yukon without any consultation with First Nations (in truth with anyone) re their "new land use designation system".

So for them to say they are consulting with First Nations hmmmm.

The Feds are doing what they said they would do (big Transfer dollars) if the Yukon Party sold out to exploit it's resources.

Probably a little hard for the Yukon Rep's to look the First Nations in the eye, let alone consult with them.

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Mike on Mar 21, 2013 at 12:30 pm

About the comment Kate but I'm pretty sure when you look at a break down of the numbers and what people in the territory had to say, the numbers actually are quite relevant. I also seem to remember a slogan during the election "the Peel lets vote on it" after making this a very ill sighted election issue I think the Yukon did end up voting on it.

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Blackpowder on Mar 21, 2013 at 8:54 am

Frankly Mr Premier, those folks living outside our borders do matter, as the Canadian taxpayer (those "Outside") fund 95 % of the budget you just put out in Leg.

Also, most of the mine investment, well, thats from "outside" too. Tourism, the other big money generator, yep, most of that cash arrives from "outside" too, sometimes all the way from Hong Kong.

How about less jingoism, and a better understanding where our money to life here comes from.

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Frank Irish on Mar 21, 2013 at 7:53 am

"Pasloski did not provide a timeline for when the document will be available or when a final decision regarding the Peel's future will be made. The government is still consulting with affected First Nations leaders, he said."

The longer Pasloski waits or delays making a decision, the more his party will receive in campaign contributions made from the mining industry. If he waits long enough they will contribute heavily to his party's next election campaign. This has to stop because the people of the Yukon voted not private companies and companies controlled by the Chinese communist party.

We live here, pay taxes and show up to vote- why is our voice not being heard by this government. Its simply amazing that an industry can throw a few dollars at a political party and sit back and watch them ignore the people who voted in the election.

Maybe the affected first nations should bring their concerns forward to the United Nations. The Yukon has been hijacked by a third world government. We have no voice, for we are not part of that 1%. And what is our Senator and federal MP really doing for us? You tell me.

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