Parties ‘attempting to alarm seniors’: premier
Finger-pointing and accusations regarding the Whistle Bend continuing care facility continue to fly – on Tuesday, coming from Premier Darrell Pasloski and Health Minister Mike Nixon.
Finger-pointing and accusations regarding the Whistle Bend continuing care facility continue to fly – on Tuesday, coming from Premier Darrell Pasloski and Health Minister Mike Nixon.
In light of recent debate sparked by the NDP and questions in the legislature from the Liberal party, Pasloski said the two Opposition parties’ actions make it “clear” that they want the project cancelled altogether.
“They are attempting to alarm seniors with false information,” Pasloski said in a statement.
Last week, the NDP tabled a motion urging the Yukon government to halt action on the project until “proper” consultation with Yukoners had taken place.
The party backed up its motion with access-to-information documents it believes suggested the government had only started initiating meetings with stakeholder groups after the NDP hosted a September town hall-style meeting on the facility.
The documents show that the government began sending letters to seniors’ organizations and First Nations last August, asking if members were interested in hearing more about the planning of the facility.
NDP health critic Jan Stick believes that is less like “consultation” and more like “telling groups what’s already planned for them.”
Liberal Leader Sandy Silver asked several questions about the facility during Tuesday’s question period, including whether the expansion to 300 beds will be part of the design, and will translate to extra costs.
Pasloski avoided the question altogether and accused both the NDP and Liberals of wanting to “simply cancel this project.”
From that accusation, Silver offered a new idea.
He described a similar project occurring in Fort McMurray, Alta.
That proposed continuing care centre was initially planned to be built in the city’s outskirts – similar to some public concerns that Whistle Bend is too far from emergency services and other amenities and may make it more challenging for visitors to come to the facility.
The Edmonton Journal called the decision to move Alberta’s care centre from the original location to the downtown core of Fort McMurray a “rare moment of political co-operation.”
Despite it costing extra time and money, the mayor and MLA for the area agreed it was the right move to get the centre built in the best location.
“The situation is very similar to ours,” Silver said Tueday.
“Our project is not as advanced as the one in Fort McMurray – no construction contracts have been signed.”
The idea fell upon deaf ears. Pasloski criticized Silver for comparing the out-of-town Alberta project– nestled in a suburb about half an hour from the town – to the neighbourhood that’s about a 10-minute drive from the middle of downtown Whitehorse.
“I have had seniors tell me that those people on the other side of the house should get down off of their pulpit and maybe go help some of those family members and caregivers who are struggling to look after people now in their homes,” Pasloski said.
Cancelling or halting the project, he added later, would cost taxpayers millions of dollars as well as lost jobs and delays in providing necessary services.
“If the Opposition wants to cancel this facility, then I want them to go to the homes of the families trying to support loved ones, look them in the eyes and tell them why they aren’t important enough to warrant this facility,” Nixon said in a statement.
“Politics has to end at some point, and we need to get on with serving Yukoners. It’s time for (NDP Leader) Liz Hanson and Sandy Silver to put petty politics aside and personally declare their support for addressing this pressing health care need for Yukoners.”
Now in the request for proposals stage, the government will soon announce the successful bidder out of three companies that were shortlisted last June.
There is currently a wait-list for long-term care, sitting somewhere between 70 and 80 individuals for the territory.
The building with 150 bedrooms is expected to be completed in 2018, at an estimated cost around $270 million.
Twenty-six million dollars have already been allocated to begin construction of the facility in the spring capital budget.
Comments (13)
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yukonlibby on Dec 8, 2015 at 4:40 pm
Holy cow you guys! We don't live in Toronto. Whistle Bend is a whole 10 minute drive (in traffic) from down town. It's way more hassle to get up to Copper Ridge, and when Copper Ridge was built the subdivision wasn't full yet either, it's basically the same scenario. There is an ambulance and fire station on Range Road now, which is faster to get out of than Riverdale. There's nowhere to park down town, never mind where is there space to build something that size? Should YTG try and buy a million dollar lot from the city or another contractor on the waterfront? It starts to seem everyone in Whitehorse is opposed to everything. Get a handle on yourselves.
We're fortunate to live in a small population with the amazing services that we have. Think about people fleeing Syria, or children starving in Africa. Your biggest problem is you don't want your relative who needs too much help to be at home to live in a brand new state-of-the-art facility?? Have you ever been to Copper Ridge Place or Whitehorse General Hospital? I don't think any of you can say that you've been treated like you're in a warehouse while you're there.
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I am a senior on Dec 8, 2015 at 3:29 pm
and Whistle Bend is a great new community for the center for seniors.
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moe on Dec 5, 2015 at 12:14 pm
I thought Copper Ridge was a valued facility and it is not downtown. Why does this have to be downtown? There is heavy traffic and it is not easy to find parking downtown. The seniors home that is already downtown has complained about the noise and bother of Rendezvous and the Yukon Quest start, and more recently they complained about a tourism business that wanted to open a storefront on First Ave. (Front Street), near their seniors housing building.
I think Whistle Bend makes sense for a lot of reasons in terms of a location. My disagreement comes from the fact that I do not think that huge warehouses for seniors is necessarily what is needed, what is most wanted, or what is most cost effective. I do not think the homework was done in that regard. But the location is fine.
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Sam on Dec 4, 2015 at 7:34 pm
I am a senior, I have a brain that works just fine, no one is trying to scare anyone. We can think on our own and know this is a terrible spot for this care home, common sense tells you that. It is to far from the hospital, fire department, how would they ever get that many people out of a burning building and how would the ambulance get anyone to the hospital on time? Not to mention slippery roads in winter. I think this is an awful way to treats seniors, considering it was the seniors that worked and made this place what it is today, I think our input would have been the right thing to do.
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north_of_60 on Dec 3, 2015 at 5:13 pm
"Parties ‘attempting to alarm seniors’: premier "
No, the premier is ‘attempting to alarm seniors’, and succeeding.
“Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason.”
-Mark Twain
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Rosa Delanor on Dec 3, 2015 at 1:15 pm
The facility at Whistle Bend is not the only reason the current Yukon Conservative Party is so unpopular. Everyone has strong feelings about them. I also will not be voting for them, for reasons of my own.
I do not believe anyone is using fear tactics. Not either Party. The dialogue here reads as though the Yukon Party has stubbornly got their back up and is not going to reconsider anything about Whistle Bend, (or any other issue) because the NDP are pursuing it. Politically, its suicide to keep kicking public opinion to the curb because they want to fight with the NDP.
Rebecca: have you seen the plans? Yes. It is a warehouse. But you are also right, it is not an active living facility. However, I disagree about the state of the health of ALL the residents. Many do go out in wheel chairs or other assists, and I believe it's good for people to do that and stay involved with their families. I was sorry to read that your mum likely won't care about anything. I hope better for her and for you.
June: This is not your usual post. But you do raise an interesting question. Why is the government investigating senior income?
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Rebecca on Dec 3, 2015 at 10:15 am
This is not a warehouse. It's also not an active living seniors village. These folks won't be out walking for a coffee. They won't be taking a taxi to the grocery store or a bus to the movies. They are going to be living there and assisted with every aspect of their lives. This is a great spot for a place like this, as is Copper Ridge. Stop trying to find things wrong with this because it's a great thing! My mother will be using this facility and it couldn't be in a better place or have a better design, if it goes through as is. I am confident by the time she is there she won't care about her proximity to Main Street or Tim Hortons. She thinks this is political rubbish and is excited for the outcome. A lot of her friends feel the same.
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Politico on Dec 2, 2015 at 11:15 pm
@Derp, Three words, economy of scale. It's cheaper to run 150 beds once than 15 beds 10 times. Whether you agree with this project or not this is a major factor in care facility like this.
It's a shame the CONservatives are now trotting out the fear card instead of either explaining why they want to do it this way or stopping and going back to start over again.
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Not My Dream on Dec 2, 2015 at 10:36 pm
"Trying to alarm seniors." Patronizing much? Seniors are just as capable as anyone else in figuring out where they stand, I'm sure.
Doug Graham himself said he didn't like the location but he's pushing forward anyway. What a tool. I'm not a senior yet but it's not great to see my future through the Yukon Party's eyes. Not one word about this facility being responsive, or aesthetic or planned in any way that respects seniors as opposed to being expedient for a number of reasons that matter not at all to anyone who might have to live in it.
Justin Trudeau said something that applies desperately to our situation -- that he had more ambition, believed we could do better. This government will stack people inside those walls to the extent anyone will let them. They're looking more tired and morally and imaginatively bankrupt by the day. That aggressive posturing is not what people want to see anymore, that should be clear by now.
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Fort Mac seniors complex on Dec 2, 2015 at 6:20 pm
I love it when the liberals and NDP make statements about things they have no knowledge in.
Having a family living in Fort Mac say it was a mistake to build the senior care facility in downtown was wrong.
It is too noisy, dusty, hard to drive downtown and park.
The former Mayor told me this was a big mistake and residents and seniors agree.
There are 1000's of senior care centers all over Canada to prove where and how they are supposed to build.
First you keep the politicians out of it.
Look at Tony P's approach to constructing the building at the hospital. Total failure as NDP leader.
Look at the NDP trying to build a saw mill in Watson Lake, a total failure.
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June Jackson on Dec 2, 2015 at 5:38 pm
Mr. Paslowski..YOU alarm seniors. YP said, we have to consider a means test, or we'll have to eliminate the Pioneer grant program. I wondered at the time what was that about as Pioneer grant is small potatoes given the size of your budget...whatever..but then YP based the payout on 2 people, because 2 people eat more than 1, 2 people use more gas in their car..etc. Its a Utility grant, not a how much do 2 people eat grant. But, if you based the test on the head of household RESIDENCE.. you'd only get one financial and YP was after seniors income, every senior in the house has to provide income. You led us to believe that our income would only be used for the Pioneer Grant, but in the house Mr. Nixon said "as a result of income testing, staff is now able to identify and offer support to seniors who may not be in receipt of their maximum pension". That is a load of crap. Some seniors are waiting to 70 to get their full pensions.. so, why are you investigating senior incomes?
Now you are saying Lib and NDPs are using scare tactics? I am scared of you. I have felt since the beginning that YP had a grudge on for seniors and every time you open your mouth I am more afraid of what you are going to do to me. I really want you and your toadies out of office. I heard you on the radio.. talk to us crap.. talk about what? You already made the decisions...about everything and everyone. You have invaded seniors health privacy, financial privacy and forcing us into a cell at Whistle Bend.
And lastly.. you said “I have had seniors tell me that those people on the other side of the house should get down off of their pulpit and maybe go help some of those family members and caregivers who are struggling to look after people now in their homes,” Pasloski said. I don't believe you. If the Government were doing their job and help families with home care there probably wouldn't be this big waiting list you are talking about. Yukon Party has failed everyone.. but gone out of their way to harm seniors.
YP just makes me so angry.
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Yukoner on Dec 2, 2015 at 4:18 pm
I don't recall any detractors of the location saying at any time to cancel the project.
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Derp on Dec 2, 2015 at 3:36 pm
Here's a thought. Why not build 10 fifteen bed facilities downtown? There is a ton of vacant land available.