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Yukon Party MLA Stacey Hassard

Outfitters to move to single year hunting allotments

Yukon outfitters won’t be happy with the news coming from the Department of Environment.

By Tim Giilck on March 30, 2022

Yukon outfitters won’t be happy with the news coming from the Department of Environment.

Following a review of its legislation and a legal opinion, the department is moving to limit the outfitting industry to single-year hunting allotments rather than the traditional multi-year system that has been in place for decades.

The subject arose Tuesday during question period in the legislature.

Yukon Party MLA Stacey Hassard asked several questions of Environment Minister Nils Clarke, telling him the change will do serious damage to the industry.

“Like many businesses in the territory, Yukon’s big game outfitting industry was hit hard by the COVID pandemic. Relying on advance sales of hunts, sometimes a year or two ahead of time, the travel restrictions caused obvious and understandable issues for this industry,” Hassard noted.

“Going forward, it will take several years for this industry to fully get back on its feet and clear up some of the backed-up pre-sold hunts over the course of the last several years.

“However, the industry is concerned that, as they are still trying to recover from the pandemic, the government is creating uncertainty for the industry by launching a review of the guidelines to establish outfitter quotas.”

Clarke said his department “does intend to review and modernize the 25-year-old guidelines to establish outfitter quotas currently used to establish moose, caribou, and sheep quotas.

“The intent of modernizing the quota process is to align the industry with the wildlife values of Yukoners, bring the process into conformity with the Yukon Wildlife Act, and provide a consistent and transparent approach to quota allocation for big game outfitters,” Clarke said.

During the review process, he said, “the department will establish quotas for all outfitters, ensuring alignment with the Wildlife Act and providing as much certainty as we can for industry.”

Hassard pursued the subject vigorously.

“Given the nature of the industry, outfitters rely on planning hunts on a multi-year basis and having appropriate flexibility in their allowable harvest from year to year over the term of their quotas,” he pointed out.

“For decades, and without issue, they have been able to do this with multi-year quotas and rollover or evergreen provisions as provided in the outfitter quota guidelines, which give them the certainty to book hunts in advance.

“However, now we understand that the Government of Yukon is moving to single-year quotas and eliminating rollover provisions. This makes booking hunts and planning for them almost impossible for this industry.”

He asked Clarke why the government is moving away from multi-year quotas.

Clarke the department “received a legal opinion indicating that it is their opinion — or provided to me that we do not have the authority under the Yukon Wildlife Act to implement multi-year operating certificates or quotas,” he said.

“We recognize that this is an issue for industry and also for the department. We have assured the outfitters and the renewable resources councils that, all things being equal, annual quotas will remain at the same levels until we have a new quota process in place.”

Clarke said he foresees the new annual quotas being similar to what is now in place.

“I have reviewed the history of the allowable harvest quotas in the various concession areas throughout the Yukon,” he told the house.

“My observation was that they have been relatively consistent and relatively predictable providing that there has been some ability to plan accordingly.

“We certainly appreciate the economic opportunities and benefit that outfitters provide to the territory. We’ll do the best possible to work and liaise with outfitters to conduct these reviews.”

Afterward, Clarke spoke to reporters but couldn’t provide a clear explanation as to how the system has been in place for 25 years without anyone detecting that the Wildlife Act doesn’t allow for the multi-year quotas.

Since the legal opinion has now been received, he emphasized, the government couldn’t ignore it. That would essentially be breaking the law, Clarke added.

Hassard asked for a third time whether Clarke understands the ramifications for the outfitters.

“It’s important that the minister understand that the ability for the outfitters to be able to do that planning is vital to their industry. Reviewing the outfitter quota guidelines and moving to a single-year quota system is tremendously destabilizing for the outfitting industry, “ Hassard said.

In his final comment on the subject, Clarke said: “I have no intention of throwing the Yukon outfitters into any sort of disarray.

“I can advise that my department is having regular meetings with the Yukon outfitter liaison committee as indicated. I have met with the outfitters previously and am prepared to do so again.”

The guidelines are out of date, he added.

“They are not consistent necessarily with First Nation governments and they are not consistent with regional resource council mandates either. They need to be reviewed in a collaborative, transparent manner.”

Comments (41)

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Sue Greetham on Oct 25, 2022 at 2:37 pm

Just stop Trophy Hunting Grizzly Bears right now. The Yukon is being disgraced by allowing this behaviour. Eat whatever you need but not Grizzlies. Leave the old mature bears to teach.

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Dallas on Apr 6, 2022 at 11:42 am

Wow….reading some of the comments really make me think that this territory has been flooded with people that think they have no impact on anything and their s**t doesn’t stink…. If you don’t educate yourself on how the system really works you are part of the problem not the solution… let’s think about fishing camping going to Skagway or Haines, your nimby attitude makes me wish you would go back to whatever cesspool city you came from.

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Anie on Apr 5, 2022 at 2:52 pm

@Ryan - what the heck am I supposed to thank you for? I'm several decades old. I've paid my own way all of my life. I take no credit, and carry no blame, for anything some stranger did *(or might have done) without my consent or knowledge and I certainly am not aware of anything in my life that I should be thanking you for. But perhaps I'm unaware - please tell me precisely what you have done that makes my life better.

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Chuck Farley on Apr 4, 2022 at 4:07 pm

Ryan; Trump Jr. used Whitehorse as a jumping point to hunt south of 60.

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Identitarian Polemics in Liberal Ischemics… on Apr 4, 2022 at 1:18 pm

At - Ryan… on Apr 1, 2022 at 9:46 pm -

Why does it matter if the people commenting here are First or Second Nations? Isn’t it the thought that counts? Or, are you into this identitarian nonsense too?

Can you help us out? Tell us why it matters whether you are aboriginal or non-aboriginal and then tell us how it is not racist to think that way.

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Ryan… on Apr 1, 2022 at 9:46 pm

Just wondering how many of these comments aren’t First Nations?
I wonder who the hunters were that allowed Trump Junior to slide into the territory to get another trophy?

Seems like all the fuss is white person related..
Here is a thought…your welcome

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Brian Melanson on Apr 1, 2022 at 7:31 pm

I have guided for 11 seasons now, and I keep my clients moose and don’t seal a tag!
I know about 25 other Yukon Resident Guides ( and there's more) who don’t seal their moose tags.
We’re getting paid to take people moose hunting, and we keep the meat.
Any extra Meat goes to Mayo and is butchered, frozen and delivered to First Nations and Mayo elders and other groups.
So, pretty sure the money, meat stay here. Yeah, I’m positive it does.

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Asshats! on Apr 1, 2022 at 7:05 pm

Do you know what Murray? If Patti doesn’t have a problem with meat donated through hunting tourism, I DO!

The meat would be spiritually spoiled. The motivation for the kill would not be righteous. It would be or should be seen as bad medicine. But hey, nothing is real anymore.

Everything is make believe for present purposes. The Indigenous peoples who accept this meat do not have the right to be stewards of the land in any traditional sense!

You probably kick puppies too, eh?

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Patti Eyre on Apr 1, 2022 at 3:28 pm

Sunny you're like the gunslinger from those King books. You deal in lead! But these animals belong to everyone, they belong in this world, and I believe you believe that only you can manage them. But I disagree with that, those animals belong here and to everyone. Long live Cecil the Lion!

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murray m on Apr 1, 2022 at 2:06 pm

I noticed a comment by Patti Eyre. It's obvious that this person has no clue whatsoever about how those Yukon hunts take place. She stated that Donald Trump Jr. probably didn't take home the meat. Well Patti if you knew how game laws work then you would know that any meat wasted is illegal. If he didn't take the meat home then that meat IS DONATED to local aboriginal elders in the nearest community. Do you have a problem with donated meat that these people wouldn't get otherwise??? Also you seem to think that without the "super rich" more licenses would be for locals. Try reading the article. The locals generally do NOT have access to those allotted guiding areas as they are mainly done by fly in plane which is expensive therefore those animals would not be hunted and the money that GOES to conservation would not be collected from these hunts. It's hunters dollars that pay for conservation.

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Hunting on Apr 1, 2022 at 1:11 pm

If the gov't really wants to protect wildlife, then how about no hunting on Yukon Highways? Your animal must be at least 5 miles off any road way or trail and no accessing hunting areas using mining roads, for ALL PEOPLE. Wait that would require the highway hunters to actually get off the road.

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JustSayin' on Apr 1, 2022 at 1:04 pm

@BnR

Umm, if you take a review of GeoYukon, one can observe the number of outfitting concessions in the Pelly Nisutlin area. The MLA represents these people as well. If they raise concerns, is he supposed to ignore them because he is the son of a former outfitter? I heard he owned a gas station/store at one time too, is he not supposed to bring up concerns about rising inflation and the cost to families?

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JustSayin' on Apr 1, 2022 at 1:00 pm

@Patti Eyre

Any meat the outfitters/hunters don't use is typically donated to the local communities.

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@Sunny on Apr 1, 2022 at 12:29 pm

Wow, that was a great write up. This part specifically stuck out to me:

" Outfitting in northern Canada has been stable, successful, safe, and economically successful for decades thanks to the outfitters themselves. Government overreach as is happening now will kill another branch of business, leave families without income, downsize other industries attached (aviation, taxidermy, hotels, restaurants), leave people without recourse to hunting vacations in total wilderness, and all in all will not benefit anyone."

As I am also a small business owner in Dawson, albeit not in outfitting but in business that depends on tourism, I feel your pain. We made it though the last few covid years by the skin of our teeth and savings. We are looking forward to this summer as it's supposed to be back to normal (hopefully).

I would really like to see those people in government who decide on legislations how they would do, if they had to fend for themselves, didn't have a guaranteed salary and couldn't "work from home". I bet they'd change their tune about small business asap.

Good luck with your business. Hope cooler heads prevail. If not, there is always enough of outfitters to launch a class action suit, I mean hey, everyone else sues the government up here.

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Sunny on Apr 1, 2022 at 11:53 am

I am a hunting outfitter. I feed my family off this. I live in the Yukon, I outfit in the NWT. I pay huge amounts of taxes to keep everyone who works in government and for government afloat. I provide hunts to hunters from outside of Canada. I bring money into this country, not just recycle it like other businesses or like the ever more powerful government. I don't overharvest because I live off the harvest. I have been outfitting for 19 years and mean to do it for another 15. I abide by the laws. I hunt in remote territory that is seldom entered by anyone else apart from mining, certainly very rarely by local hunters because it costs huge amounts of money to fly into that remote location, which local hunters don't want to or can't expand. I provide amazing vacations and adventures to customers. I love my lifestyle. It's not a job, it's what I dream, think and do as a person, as a couple, as a family, with my guides, with the pilots and everyone else who works for and with me, all the way to my neighbours who are provided with the most amazing meat.
To the issue on hand: I am currently booking for 2024 because I had 1.5 years of no income but had been solidly booked for 2020 and all of 2021 by people the world over (my clients come from the US, all over Europe, Asia, Africa). These clients are still expecting to come and need to be taken care of. You don't like your vacation canceled, do you? You don't like not earning money for 1.5 years, or seeing your entire life upended, do you?
I run a very successful business. I am always booked 2-3 years in advance. I have very limited spots for hunting. Without a quota system (in the NWT) I limit myself to how many animals I want to take (remember, I live off a successful harvest for years to come). I am the only one who can manage my area as I am the only one there. Government does not know the movements or amounts of animals in remote situations - their game counts are cute but can't compete with the time we spend out there.
The outfitting industry in northern Canada is special because of our concession system, in which each outfitter is responsible for his area, while, eg. in Alaska outfitters can and will go wherever they can, getting into each others' and the residents' way. They can't manage their areas as they have none. Outfitting in northern Canada has been stable, successful, safe, and economically successful for decades thanks to the outfitters themselves. Government overreach as is happening now will kill another branch of business, leave families without income, downsize other industries attached (aviation, taxidermy, hotels, restaurants), leave people without recourse to hunting vacations in total wilderness, and all in all will not benefit anyone.
Killing small business helps nobody. In reality it is the backbone of a healthy country - not corporations and government. This government will be the death of this territory and the country. Money does not grow on trees. It's created by creative, hardworking people. And the problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money. (Margaret Thatcher) Instead of destroying more businesses we should be creating more. Inflation, national debt and the collapse of this country are imminent. Of course you would need common sense to see all of this.

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Stuffed and mounted on Apr 1, 2022 at 9:42 am

A legal opinion isn’t law, Nils. Get over yourself. Must the libtards destroy all small business?

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Patti Eyre on Apr 1, 2022 at 9:20 am

Alright maybe Yukoners can hunt more now and not compete with super rich americans like Donald Trump junior! I don't believe he really took home any of the meat from the many animals he killed.

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Hypocrites on Apr 1, 2022 at 7:23 am

Anyone that doesn't like outfitting because non yukoners use the resource better be just as upset that miners take resources out of the territory for profit too. Big difference being most of the meat outfitting get is distributed throughout the Yukon.

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doug sydney on Apr 1, 2022 at 6:59 am

First Nations whining to govt workers who hate hunting, using it as an excuse trying to shut down outfitters. Resident hunters be warned… your rights will be next, liberals want all hunting and guns gone.

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Atom on Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 pm

Holy all the lawyers here with no more to do than hand it out free. Canada is a great country!
Outfitting has a place in the world for sure. But outfitters don't own the world...though it would be difficult to inform them of that.
It's just gods way of reminding us we are but humble servants.
The mess that is the Yukon today, in every way, is not the fault of one political party.
I put a sheep and a moose in the freezer this past season and I could care less if anyone has an opinion on it, legal or not.

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Dallas on Mar 31, 2022 at 8:44 pm

Some of the comments prove some people don’t have a clue about how the system works…. and they are recent immigrants from outside of the territory yet from in Canada.

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Sheepchaser on Mar 31, 2022 at 7:50 pm

Took some time to research this and talk to some persons in responsibility around this topic. Seems the outfitters rang their own bell on this one. Many are owned by out-of-territory interests with little money staying in the Yukon. Several have been reported for spotting from planes for their clients in the same day as the kill. Additionally, several incidents of outfitters harassing resident hunters for ‘being on their patch’ have been recounted to me.

There’s even a video out there related to Kuiu that features Donald Trump Jr. hunting in the Bonne Plume concession with protection agents and all.

Is that fair chase?

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Welfare Territory on Mar 31, 2022 at 6:51 pm

Let's just make it official and cancel all industries in the Yukon, other than Governments. People do not want private industry, well only private industry that provide the government goods and service.

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Groucho d'North on Mar 31, 2022 at 3:51 pm

"Clarke the department “received a legal opinion indicating that it is their opinion — or provided to me that we do not have the authority under the Yukon Wildlife Act to implement multi-year operating certificates or quotas,” he said."

A legal opinion is just an opinion, or how the person providing the opinion percieves the matter. Until it is tested in court it remains just one person's point of view, it is not a fait accompli. Also there was no mention if the person providing this opinion is a lawyer familiar with the statute, or just an interested observer.
While we are on the topic of definitions what exactly does modernize mean? The liberals use it quite a bit to justify changes they want to introduce to acts and regulations. Beware of fuzzy language when making laws.

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Jack on Mar 31, 2022 at 3:23 pm

Time to just let outfitting die. A lot of those concessions are owned by outside interests. All the revenue flows out and very little stays here. Even in my zip code, the concession is locally owned but not much local is bought or supported. Killing helpless animals for profit or sport simply is stupid and cruel.

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Mitch Holder on Mar 31, 2022 at 2:50 pm

Hunting for sport is what ruins hunting for everyone. Hunting is to survive on the flesh of the fallen, who give their lives for your hearth and not without a fight. We honour this with best practices - I learned this when I was 8 years old. The YTG will be how many years old when they come to the same revelation?

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Bark, bark! on Mar 31, 2022 at 1:05 pm

A legal opinion. LOL! You can buy any legal opinion for $250 + per hour. They mean nothing. It is not until you present all arguments to a trier of fact for adjudication that we come closer to reality… Outside of the Yukon anyway…
As a lawyer Clark knows this. Until this so-called legal opinion is tested in a court of law it remains a product of ideology.

Interesting fact: I was in court once to hear someone give their legal opinion. There was a moment of silence, a pause in the action, and a ringtone of a barking dog went off. The judge looked at this lawyer and said - Did you say something? It was hilarious and the courtroom broke out in laughter.

Those are the rare moments of truth that happen in the courtroom… Laughter at the expense of counsel. The same thing can happen when someone farts in an elevator - Laughter… Hmmm… I suppose in this way a fart is a form of communication much like a legal opinion.

It’s not just defense counsel either. I have heard visiting judges refer to the Crown as Clown Services… It was very fitting for this member of the current Deputy Minister’s team at PPSC… Clown services - Absolutely! Hahahaha… Legal opinion… Funny!

Joke 1:

Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, an honest lawyer and an old drunk are walking down the street together, when they simultaneously spot a hundred dollar bill. Who gets it? The old drunk, of course, the other three are fantasy creatures.

Joke 2:

As the lawyer awoke from surgery, he asked, “Why are all the blinds drawn?” The nurse answered, “There’s a fire across the street, and we didn’t want you to think you had died.”

Joke 3:

A lawyer dies and goes to Heaven. “There must be some mistake,” the lawyer argues. “I’m too young to die. I’m only 55.” “Fifty-five?” says Saint Peter. “No, according to our calculations, you’re 82.” “How’d you get that?” the lawyer asks.

St. Peter replies: “We added up your time sheets.”

Lawyers should never be in politics!

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My Opinion on Mar 31, 2022 at 9:34 am

There is a wise old saying,
"The fewer non-resident hunters in the Yukon, the better my chances of harvesting an animal."

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Roger Rondeau on Mar 31, 2022 at 9:32 am

Please inform Yukoners what we gain from pimping out our wildlife for horns or capes to some outsider. It's harder and harder for locals to find moose all while air companies do not want to take locals into outfitter areas.

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Max Mack on Mar 31, 2022 at 5:07 am

This government and its agents is never concerned about following the letter of the law unless it suits them . . .

Which leads me to believe the "legal opinion" is simply their cover to force an unwelcome policy change.
The question, as always, is "cui bono?". I think we know the answer.

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Joseph Tetlichi on Mar 31, 2022 at 4:57 am

Interesting how everyone is up in arms over this news. Nobody said boo when the trapping industry went belly up.

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motive unclear on Mar 30, 2022 at 8:38 pm

It's almost as if there is a determined effort afoot to destabilize, disrupt or otherwise destroy every successful private business in the territory.

What more could possibly be done to undermine any potential source of small business revenue than the current crop of fascistic socialists are all up on currently?

Perhaps it's time to make things tough for bottle-pickers? Why are they so privileged after all? They don't need a business license, liability insurance or fourteen licenses in each of their pockets. How unfair!

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Vern Schlimbesser on Mar 30, 2022 at 6:00 pm

Clarke says;
“received a legal opinion indicating that it is their opinion — or provided to me that we do not have the authority under the Yukon Wildlife Act to implement multi-year operating certificates or quotas,”
But THEY are the Government who can change the law (in fact they seem to have no problem doing that with Orders in Council so they don't need debate in public). Even if this is required a revision of the Act it could be acomplished in weeks, with any incentive at all.
So, this is more credible story if First Nations were the source....ohhhh...right

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Liberals are like rats on Mar 30, 2022 at 5:31 pm

At simple solution - It’s not about creating sound legislation. This is just another inroad into the curtailment of non-aboriginal hunters. Letting the Liberals review and revise everything is a sure fire way to have your rights impinged. Anyways, hunting-tourism should be absolutely outlawed to begin with. Unless you can demonstrate Yukon heritage - Get out of the hunt!
Unfortunately, our territory is overrun with Liberal vermin from parts over yonder. Gnawing and chewing away at the social fabric that held us together!

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bonanzajoe on Mar 30, 2022 at 4:53 pm

Hopefully when the Yukon Party establishes another government, they will repeal all these nonsense liberal draconian laws. The libs don't even explain the logic to their laws.

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BB on Mar 30, 2022 at 4:31 pm

Wait a minute. First they are saying that pre-selling hunts years in advance hurt the industry because the unforseen covid response measures meant they 'owe' the hunts they sold. Then they say that THE GOVERNMENT is causing uncertainty by changing their ability to do this!

Maybe they should just not sell hunts more than 12 months in advance. If their winner customers want to get their jollies killing animals somewhere else because they can't book to kill Yukon animals two years in advance, so be it. No loss. Good riddance to bad garbage.

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BnR on Mar 30, 2022 at 4:09 pm

So the son of an ex-outftter is all up in arms.
No surprise there.
The current Moose quotas are out to lunch and need to be updated, and while they're at it, put all Yukon BGOs on Sheep quotas immediately.
Outfitters like Rogue River and Yukon Big Game Outfitters are taking like ~ 30 moose a season, @ 25,000 US per hunt. They're getting rich off of Yukon's resources and The Yukon sees just a pittance from that. Time to reign these characters in.

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Simple solution on Mar 30, 2022 at 4:01 pm

You can make an amendment to the Wildlife Act to change the regulation from single year to multi year. Or you can make everyone’s life harder.

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Dave on Mar 30, 2022 at 2:58 pm

This is great news. More hunting access for Yukon hunters instead of entitled rich Yankees.

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JustSayin' on Mar 30, 2022 at 2:39 pm

Speaking of transparency, how about all people's disclose what wildlife they kill???

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Groucho d'North on Mar 30, 2022 at 2:21 pm

The topic of moose hunting quotas is meaningless unless the data from the first nations harvest is available for all to see. Again, if SCIENCE is to be the guiding principle for YG's decisions, show ALL the scientific data used to make these determinations.

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