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Dr. Brendan Hanley
Officials working on a formal mask policy
The safe six may officially become the safe seven.
The safe six may officially become the safe seven.
Dr. Brendan Hanley, the Yukon’s chief medical officer, said Thursday he and his team are looking at a mask policy.
They will shortly advise the Yukon government of what a mask requirement would look like, Hanley told a news briefing.
Making a recommendation on such a policy takes a lot of factors into consideration.
“There are things like what about someone who doesn’t wear a mask, how do we enforce that and who does the enforcing?” questioned Hanley.
“What are the mechanisms and the process? What are the exemptions or what about someone who has trouble finding a mask?
“What are the obligations carried to enable access to masks and whose shoulders rests that access?”
Hanley said he knows different jurisdictions have handled mask requirements differently or have “languaged” the policy differently.
“There are important aspects of which jurisdiction are we talking about and what jurisdictional practices apply,” Hanley said.
“That’s if we are talking about city versus territory versus First Nation government versus community. Do we talk about it in a rural setting?
“There is really a lot of this. Rather than just saying this and then trying to scramble and answer all the questions and address all the policy issues, we want to have the package ready to go. It’s not that we are not interested in doing this; we just want to do it right the first time.”
Premier Sandy Silver said in one of his many conversations with Hanley over the months and weeks was the public acceptability a piece of a mask policy.
Anecdotally, Silver said they have been monitoring public acceptability for a long time, and if you “look at the rooms you are in, you’ll see the majority of Yukoners have signed onto mask-wearing.”
“We have our safe six and now we have the seventh added on and I know Yukoners, for the most part, will be accepting of this,” said Silver.
In the interim, Hanley said, mask-up when required, but he continued to say masking is just a small layer of safety, and urged Yukoners to not forget about the safe six.
“Meanwhile, please continue to wear a mask where required to, asked to, or where physical distancing is difficult,” said Hanley.
“But, please, don’t let a mask override the safe six. Masks are an additional layer of safety, but they will never in themselves be the ticket to protection.”
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Comments (60)
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Salt on Nov 26, 2020 at 5:13 pm
I assumed your first reply was disingenuous and you proved me right with a rather juvenile response. Thanks for playing 'pops'.
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BnR on Nov 26, 2020 at 3:44 pm
Our parents and grandparents were involved in two world wars. They had to ration, go without, and in many cases died fighting in foreign lands.
But yeah, you have to wear a mask when you go into a store, and that’s like taking away your freedoms.
Welcome to the 21st century, the century of the spoiled and the selfish.
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Mick on Nov 26, 2020 at 12:32 pm
@ Salt
You're chasing your tail, son.
First you blame the 'media' and when you can't back that up you blame the politicians. So which is it and what do they have to gain by creating a 'fake pandemic' and how did they get every country on the planet to buy in?
Almost 1.5 million people have died globally as a result of COVID. Yes, some of those people had 'pre-existing conditions' (I see you are following speaking notes of the Trumpettes in the South) Some of those dead had cancer, or a hangnail or a broken leg, or diabetes or whatever. But without COVID the vast majority of those folks would still be here. These numbers have been held at bay largely because of the restrictions to travel, work and regular human interaction.
The WHO and every CMO around the planet is trying to flatten the curve because hospitals can't treat 7.8 billion of us simultaneously.
Let's shrink it down to Just the Yukon for illustration. 40,000 souls here. 8 Ventilators. Do you see the issue?
So, back to your unbased claim. Who would orchestrate this and why?
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Salt on Nov 26, 2020 at 12:26 pm
@Mick
I did try to reply to your question regarding the media, but it was edited/censored out of my last comment. Irony.
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Salt on Nov 25, 2020 at 6:41 pm
@Mick
The medical professionals you refer to are more than adequately countered by many other esteemed medical professionals who are backed up by the accumulated evidence. Alone, COVID-19 kills almost nobody. That is a fact. The vast majority of those who have died while testing positive for coronavirus died WITH coronavirus, not FROM coronavirus. 71% of Canadians whose deaths were attributed to coronavirus were over the age of 80 and had multiple serious co-morbidities. Life expectancy in Canada is 82 years. The government/media reaction to this virus is massively out of proportion and blindly illogical. The virus isn't going anywhere and we are completely capable of handling it through traditional measures, but political agendas are afoot.
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Charlie's Aunt on Nov 25, 2020 at 3:00 pm
@ Harold: Cup size needed would depend on size of your nose & chin or whether you have a large beard to tuck inside. Watch out for any underwires LOL
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Mick on Nov 25, 2020 at 2:35 pm
@ salt
I'm genuinely curious.......what does the 'media' have to gain by this? Also, the cautions and restrictions are coming from the medical professionals but still....please elaborate.
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Salt on Nov 24, 2020 at 1:09 pm
The hospital doesn’t mandate mask use to their employees because they know that they have little to no value in that scenario. John W makes the crucial point, COVID alone kills almost nobody. The political/media machine has created this monster.
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Matthew on Nov 24, 2020 at 5:01 am
@anie , thanks for getting my name right... I'm only assuming you haven't looked any of my facts up? You're feelings were hurt? That's exactly the problem right now theses days. People are way too soft.. get over it, also no insults were given. Were being governed by non elected entities, ones that are pro war, pro chemicals, pro NWO and pro global reset. But that's just a conspiracy right? Look anything I say up if you have the courage.
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Whitehorse Richard on Nov 23, 2020 at 10:34 pm
Hospital Capacity
Here is the reality, in Whitehorse and the Yukon, we live in a small community with capacity issues. Our main hospital, Whitehorse General Hospital (WGH) has fifty (50) beds. Many of these beds are already in use with existing patients.
On top of this, which nobody seems to be talking about, they do not have enough oxygen or O2 equipment for the 50 beds. So if we have a massive COVID outbreak, and people need hospital oxygen at 90%, good luck.
That is why you need to practice social distancing, wear a mask when you can’t social distance, and wash your hands.
For the nurses and doctors at WGH, the nurses are not permitted to comment on hospital policy per their employment contract. I am confident they, hospital staff, want to wear masks in WGH, but that is not the current policy due to personal protection equipment supply limitations.
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Dysfunction Junction on Nov 23, 2020 at 6:43 pm
Dear Sheepchaser - Master of irony. I wonder if you practiced the word delusional in front of a mirror if you would get the inside joke?
The problems that seem to confound us time and time again is the idea that one should attack one’s character rather than assail one’s ideas. But hey, as one old white guy said:
“Small minds discuss people. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas.”
You get to choose which category you belong to. Try again.
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JohnW on Nov 23, 2020 at 5:03 pm
Canadian Death stats
2018 Jan -Sept 186,825
2019 Jan- Sept. 185,200
2020 Jan - Sept. 186,690
So the “Worst pandemic of the Century” and 40 less deaths than 2018. And a 0.8% over last year.
We are not being devastated by a virus but by the greatest governmental fraud in history. Math Matters.
Yes...papers are cited in the article below.
https://www.aier.org/article/asymptomatic-spread-revisited/
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martin on Nov 23, 2020 at 4:14 pm
@My Opinion : I personally like wearing a mask. My friends don't recognize me and they get out of the way, like I have leprosy. I then, continue shopping at my own pace. I strongly recommend it.
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Harold on Nov 23, 2020 at 3:35 pm
Can a brassier be effectively used as a mask? Say a "D" cup?
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Sheepchaser on Nov 23, 2020 at 2:17 pm
iBrian,
As already pointed out your interpretation is, at best, flawed. Easy on the poison before you text, remember? It becomes painfully obvious that it is all about your delusional pity party.
At least I try to highlight the plight of young Yukoners under this reign of old men that just won’t retire well beyond their expiry date. A brain-drained and alcohol crippled generation making decisions about a world that is now too complex for their internal hardware to upload. If they listened, ever, to evidence or understanding beyond their own, it wouldn’t be such a contemptible clustermuck.
Someone who’s entire future isn’t stuck to licking their boots to get by is considered a dangerous person up here. I see that. Even more confirmation of the hegemony that drives all talent and skill out of this territory.
I just think the kids deserve better. And I’ll keep saying so. That is all.
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Anie on Nov 23, 2020 at 1:19 pm
Mathew, that's just such a sad perspective on the world, I hope your life improves. In the meantime, there's no point in trying to have a reasonable conversation when one side's arguments are so faulty that they need to resort to insults. Once again, I don't wear a mask out of fear, I wear it because it's such a small inconvenience that could prevent another person from being ill. It's not a big conspiracy, it's not going to save the planet, it's just a simple courtesy.
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John on Nov 23, 2020 at 1:09 pm
@ apex parasite..while I totally agree with your rationale there is one BIG problem with the application. If everyone wore proper fitting and certified masks, such as n-95 and if everyone follow the proper protocols of mask management your logic would work, however, reality is most people are wearing el-cheapo paper masks or home made garbage masks that maybe look cool but are totally useless to protect self or others. As a matter of fact they become dangerous because the users feel bulletproof and ignore the actual six recommendations. How many mask wearers do you see talking a foot apart because they feel " safe" ? How many coughing , wheezing or others are out in public with mask because they feel " safe" ? When I see someone with a mask I do my best to totally avoid as I feel they may be dangerous. Apologize to those who wear proper fitting certified masks.
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Yoduh on Nov 23, 2020 at 11:20 am
News Alert!
Re mask wearing. I just came from the Whitehorse General Hospital after getting some X-Rays.
Dr. Hanley, et al, should explain to all Yukon citizens, why the Hospital of all places does not require their staff to wear masks.
The lady asking the questions at the front door, janitors, the reception check in lady at the x ray dept., and the x ray technician, all had no masks.
It would be nice to have some level of consistency coming from our covid "leaders". However, I did get tested for patience, it came back negative.
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How effective are masks? on Nov 23, 2020 at 10:26 am
How effective are masks at protecting us from the disease if you can still smell strong odors like colognes, perfumes and body odor? If I can breathe that through a mask, I'm sure I can still breathe in COVID.
Just my thought.
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Community Gal on Nov 23, 2020 at 9:14 am
Overall, Yukoners are an intelligent and reasonable bunch of folks. I suggest that when provided with reasonable, factual and researchable information, we make good decisions. So your policy can go one of two ways:
1. You provide Yukoners with solid, factual information and we then make decisions using our intelligence and our respect for others and our communities and vulnerable populations. We are Yukoners. We have proven that we look after each other and check in on each other. OR
2. You treat us like children who have no common sense. You tell us what is best for us and then mandate it and punish those who do not obey. You hold all the reins of power and tell businesses, individuals and non-profits how and when to do business, micro manage every aspect of our lives, tax the hell out of us for the privilege and then issue tickets and engage in media shaming.
By the way, businesses have had do to layoffs, reduce hours of business, reduce inventories and use up any financial cushions they had just to keep the doors open. When is the government going to do the same? How about trying to find some cost savings in your bloated and wasteful departments instead of taxing us into poverty?
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HA on Nov 23, 2020 at 8:20 am
Maureen, I find it very hard to believe that none of the staff at the hospital are wearing masks. Have you gone into the hospital and checked in on every staff to see if they were wearing masks?
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Matthew on Nov 23, 2020 at 5:54 am
@anie it's easy. We are listening to "professionals" that are turning a blind eye on:
1)Toxins being sprayed all over our food and soil via GMO, pesticides and herbicides.. they don't care about this..
2)Fluoride being added to the water, a toxin so dangerous that when its spilled the hazmat team gets called in
3) unknown mixture of chemicals being sprayed in the atmosphere all in the name of weather modification (yes it's real, happens almost daily) research Canada's weather modification act.
And finally they are only taking orders from the unelected UN and WHO. The same organizations that want to test EVERYONE door to door and when someone has a fever, whether is an adult of child they recommended TAKING THEM AWAY!
All of the above are FACTS! LOOK THEM UP OR SHUT UP.
Also research EVENT 201, and you'll see why so many are calling this a "plandemic"
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Scott on Nov 23, 2020 at 12:27 am
I'd like Dr. Hanley to explain to us like we're adults the scientific and empirical basis for wearing masks. The only peer-reviewed research conducted during the pandemic regarding mask effectiveness concluded masks are likely not effective at all. The available scientific literature as a whole is dubious, at best. According to CDC data, 80% of recent positive cases were frequent wearers of masks. That's not a convincing body of evidence.
If Hanley and Silver begin to implement policies accompanied with penalties and cannot explain their decisions logically and rationally I'm afraid my trust will diminish rather quickly.
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John on Nov 22, 2020 at 11:15 pm
@nathan.. it's the other way around. If you're afraid stay home, if you wear a mask make sure it fits and its stamped n-95. Otherwise all you do-gooders saying you wear masks to protect others, while wearing garbage home made or cheap masks, ignoring distance cause you think you're safe....please just stay home.
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Wilf Carter on Nov 22, 2020 at 8:57 pm
Most CV19 cases are from people travelling to the Yukon on a plane. Does it make any sense to check people at the Whitehorse airport?
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Dr. George O. Well on Nov 22, 2020 at 8:19 pm
Dear Justin - We live in a post-fact society with a good number of your fellow citizens already having accepted that fact. We encourage you to join them. In this brave new world we prefer to let our emotions dictate our actions, more preferably, yours. We have dedicated many, many, resources to shift the citizenry to the politics of identity and emotionalism. We feel that it is better that way. We feel that ‘subjects’ are easier to manipulate when the facts are divorced from any given transaction and emotion and feelings are substituted by an authoritative figure to settle any given conflict. Thus, regardless of any correctness of an action you can be assured that if “we” do not like it then it will not be so and therefore a wrong in and of itself by virtue of the whim of the substitutive authority.
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Apex Parasite on Nov 22, 2020 at 2:39 pm
I welcome any steps that would make the issues and standards around how to deal with Covid more black and white. If I know that entering a business requires I wear a mask, then it's not an issue, I'll wear a mask, no biggie. If some places require it and others don't it creates grey areas and confusion.
I don't actually know enough about the virus to know 100 percent whether or not a mask helps or not and as such I will defer to those that know more than I.
All those here whining about wearing a mask and crying about what is really a very small effort all told, the tone is extremely juvenile and the arrogance and ignorance is amazing. You know no more than I about the virus yet take such a stance in the face of something you know nothing about. Get over it and get over yourselves. Were someone close to you to die from this thing you'd be singing a different tune... truly where you stand depends on where you sit. You sit in judgment from a stance of ignorance.
I welcome efforts to make conduct in these times more clear. Masks should be mandatory in all places of business. In the case of restaurants and bars masks should be worn until you're seated... pretty simple but the simple will continue to whine and cry in the face of things they know nothing about.
Pathetic
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JohnW on Nov 22, 2020 at 1:52 pm
It’s worth pointing out, however, that masks were not a divisive issue until governments began mandating their use.
Reasonable and persuasive cases can be made both for and against the use of masks in the healthy population. But by replacing individual choice with collective mandates, public officials have politicized the issue and polluted the science.
https://fee.org/articles/new-danish-study-finds-masks-don-t-protect-wearers-from-covid-infection/
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JohnW on Nov 22, 2020 at 1:17 pm
The basis behind all of the mitigation efforts is that asymptomatic carriers can spread the disease. This study says otherwise. No more masks, no lockdowns, no social distancing. The same old-fashioned rules are all that is needed. If you are sick, stay home.
ASYMPTOMATIC CASES DO NOT SPREAD COVID-19 (NATURE JOURNAL STUDY)
A Nature Journal study published November 20, 2020 has confirmed a controversial topic in the science of Covid-19: asymptomatic people do not spread Covid-19—that is, people without symptoms are, in fact, healthy and not infectious.
The Wuhan study observed 300 asymptomatic cases and found that none were infectious; none of the 1,174 close contacts tested positive for SARS-COV-2.
These findings have profound and far-reaching implications for a world gripped in the shadows of a 9-month-long, daily headline-dominating virus that has impacted all corners of the globe—from the draconian lockdown shores of South Australia that have now reached Manitoba and parts of Ontario and Quebec to the comparatively lenient and controversial Sweden—without lockdowns or mandatory masks. Countries have instituted varying degrees of emergency measures based on the spread of Covid-19 and especially the threat of asymptomatic spread, including mandatory masks, restrictions on livelihood and social gatherings. Millions have suffered untold losses financially and health-wise due to lockdown measures.
The results of this study should be a welcome piece of science to help governments re-evaluate their measures and formulate exit strategies to help their citizens return to normal.
The human immune system has also been vindicated as a natural defence to Covid-19, as government and health officials strangely abandoned its biological role in favour of promoting a warp-speed vaccine as the best prevention method. A non-infectious, asymptomatic person can once again be viewed as they always were: healthy and able to successfully combat an infectious virus.
The looming question now is: will governments take heed of the latest scientific evidence and begin to adapt their measures accordingly, that is, by easing restrictions for a virus that has again proven to be less severe than promoted.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
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Anie on Nov 22, 2020 at 8:39 am
JC said "If you are afraid then wear a mask". I read similar comments all the time but nobody has yet to answer my question - why do you assume that I wear a mask because I'm afraid? You don't even know me. So please let me tell you my motive. The medical experts tell us that wearing a mask is one added protection we can provide to our neighbours to keep us from giving them the virus. That's why I wear a mask.
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Wes on Nov 22, 2020 at 8:29 am
You know what our government and health care professionals are terrified of? If C19 really takes off up here, it will overrun our health centres and hospitals in very short order. Then what?
Sure, YOU might be ok, but what if there’s an accident?
It’s not a hoax. It’s serious. Wear a mask. Be responsible.
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Justin on Nov 22, 2020 at 6:22 am
Hello again folks,
Not being one to want to flood a comments section, and having shared the factual and science based information I have been given. And hopefully some have read and shared that information, as it is quite important for your individual health. I will now follow up with these questions. Based on professional studies, and large amounts of scientific evidence included in those studies, as well as many more of the same type of studies done over many years, I ask this.
Why would our CMOH, who is a doctor by his credentials, knowingly institute policy that will harm the long term health of the people whose lives he is supposed to be protecting? As a man of medical knowledge, who took an oath to help people, how can he be so entirely misguided?
Is there pressure being put on politically? If so Mr Hanley, let the public know the truth. We are on your side in that endeavour.
I am asking, as a citizen concerned for the well being of all Yukon residents, as well as everyone else. Tell us the truth, what is the actual reasoning behind policy that flies in the face of science?
I look forward to hearing your reply.
Best regards to all
Justin
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Expectorant More Excuses on Nov 21, 2020 at 9:05 pm
Sage observation MO. There is good research evidence in social psychology to suggest that the relative anonymity that people may experience as a consequence of masking can provoke sociopathology in those who may not otherwise engage in such behaviours. It’s absolutely hilarious and concerning at the same time.
Social distancing - FFS! I was in a local coffee shop last week on 2nd avenue and I am quite certain that the shop was over capacity with very few masks in the shoulder to shoulder cue... Squirming and writhing with young people out of school seeking their caffeine buzzes and sugar rushes. I could feel the Covid slime in the thick, moist air of freshly launched sputum... Cough, cough... Achoo... Touching everything...
But hey... We’re Yukoners... That sense of rugged northern individualism ain’t gonna take my independent right to confirm to socially normative behaviour at the local coffee shop... Ahhhh... The hubris of youth... Like a scene from a modern day MacBeth... Double, double, toil and trouble... Fire burn and my coffee double.
I truly felt like I was pushed up against the stage at a rock concert. Social Distancing my ass! Maybe try handing out a few emergency measures act tickets to recoup some of our tax losses!
Stake out the coffee shops, the grocery stores, and the big box stores. Yukoners gone wild at sputum fest 2020!
Here’s an idea: Hanley and Silver could take their gong show live and on location. They could hand out Save The Peel collectors edition face masks while being celebrity law enforcement handing out failing to social distance tickets. Silver could use his Whitey-Blighty hand sanitizer spray to rid the Yukon of the colonial virus.
They could also hand out pamphlets on the merits taxation and Socialism for the greater good... Are you an effective team?
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Nathan Living on Nov 21, 2020 at 8:57 pm
Bring on the mask mandate and those without can stay home.
It's no conspiracy, things are getting worse and 4 percent of the people infected with covid may die.
HAVE A NICE HOLIDAY SEASON AND STOP THIS SILLY FLUE COMPARISON.
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DMZ on Nov 21, 2020 at 7:42 pm
From what I saw in one of the big stores today, I think I can guarantee that a new "safe seven" will immediately become the "one and only thing you need to do to SAVE LIVES". I think I'm pretty good at keeping the distance, following the arrows (whatever the point is of that, but whatever), and so on. Today was the most people I've seen wearing masks and they created knots of chatting people, crowded the aisles, and forget about the arrows. Even when one aisle was empty, they'd keep barging down the one full of people. (There was actually plenty of room to socially distance.) It was exactly the scenario that made doctors reluctant to recommend masks months ago. And it was obnoxious, actually. You almost have to wonder if was a passive aggressive demonstration of doing the minimum requested. I'd laugh, except for the mental picture I've got of bylaw officers getting in everyone's face when this policy comes out.
Doctors have only themselves to blame. Regardless of how many times people like poor Bonnie Henry and Brendan Hanley say, it's "just one layer of safety", there's all the self-appointed spokespeople ramping masks up way over the significance that has really been justified, while the other things they've carefully built up break down. The other day a doctor was saying wearing a mask should be like drunk driving or wearing a seatbelt. Give me a break.
This is what I want to know. They keep saying the evidence is there. Sure there's evidence that masks hold back droplets, I'm sure, but is there evidence that a mask policy has made a big difference? Because anecdotally, it looks like -- not so much. Masks weren't even recommended during the first wave, and though people have been wearing them now for months, the second wave is worse. Why? We don't really know, do we. Though Bonnie Henry, for one, keeps trying to say the infections seem to be coming from private gatherings, not commercial spaces.
But when you pile on the things we're supposed to wear, do, and apparently say, then when things aren't working, there's always some failure of ours to point to.
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sacallison on Nov 21, 2020 at 6:32 pm
I for one am sick of all YOU narcissistic losers! The rest of us don't care about your stupid conspiracy theories. I would expect this kind of stupidity from Americans. Come on people, sure YOU might be healthy and not die from covid but someone YOU spread it to could die! So YOU should be free to potentially kill others because wearing a mask is uncomfortable? Or inconvenient? Really!!??!! WOW!!! I hate the masks just like YOU, but I for one care about others in my community. I wear the mask because I don't want to make YOU or YOUR family potentially sick!!! Be part of the solution, not part of the problem!!!!!
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My Opinion on Nov 21, 2020 at 4:21 pm
Has anyone else noticed since many have taken up wearing masks it is impossible to Social Distance.
I was at Super Store at 6:00 on Friday. People (Power Shoppers) are pushing in front of you, Bumping you, Getting rammy in every sense.
It was not like this before the mask wearing, people were respecting your space. Something changes socially with a mask.
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My Opinion on Nov 21, 2020 at 4:16 pm
@Maurreen
For one thing there are no COVID patients at the Hospital.
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BnR on Nov 21, 2020 at 11:47 am
iBrians condom comparison is brilliant......
So you have an STD, but yeah, don't wear a condom because....MEMEMEME!!
Or, you're going to not use a condom with, say, someone you just met, because....?
What could possibly go wrong.
Nice analogy iBrian, just not very well thought out.
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Maureen on Nov 21, 2020 at 8:08 am
Why are none of the staff at the hospital wearing masks?
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Justin on Nov 21, 2020 at 7:32 am
Hello folks,
I’ve been busy for quite some time, but have still been keeping an eye on developments regarding this virus issue. To that end, I submit the following for your perusal. These are pieces of information sent to me by other concerned citizens in various countries.
First, we have the great Barrington declaration, which led to the October WHO decision to advocate against the use of lockdowns.
https://gbdeclaration.org/
You will also find an excellent question and answer section within that site.
Shortly after this declaration was signed, Dr David Nabarro of the WHO, gave this statement.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/288881
Now, on to the mask issue. I have observed a great number of people wearing masks, healthy people, with good immune systems. While I do applaud your outward appearance toward protecting people, I would like to submit the following scientific information as to why this is not a good idea. The initial comparison charts are a bit tedious, but for those with an eye to charts. The bulk of the information starts a few pages in, and the end of the document contains several pages of links to independent and peer reviewed studies.
This document also delves into the history of “flu” pathology, and the real reasons for high mortality rates.
This document is in pdf format, and is very clear and concise.
https://pdmj.org/Mask_Risks_Part2.pdf
Now, our health officials should already know all of these things, as they are trained in this field. And knowledge carries responsibility to “first, do no harm”. I do not expect everyone to know this information, which is why I have chosen to share it. I respectfully encourage everyone to read this information, share it with loved ones, co workers, people you meet in your daily life, a stranger on the street during small talk.
Thank you all for your time, stay safe, and I will leave you with a quote. This applies to everyone, beliefs aside.
“A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.” John 13:34
Take care
Justin
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Wilf Carter on Nov 21, 2020 at 2:58 am
To get the facts correct can you answer questions from the public for clarification on your statements:
Anyone coming into Yukon has to stay by themselves with out any contact within Yukon. Is that correct?
How do they get food with out any contacts with other Yukoners?
If anyone is coming back to Yukon that has been outside has to stay away from all contact with Yukoners?
If people do not obey this order and gives Yukoners CV19 what is the consequences of their behavior - criminals charges and could be sent to jail?
Can a person be in contact with CV19 but not get the virus?
If someone was in contact with the CV19 and not have the virus, can they be a carrier of the virus and give it to other people?
Will some one post this on facebook and send to Yukon Government because they don't answer public question on any subject that is important to Yukoners!
Does anyone know why the Yukon Government governing party acts that way?
For the people by the the people is main principal of our governing system is that correct Yukoners?
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Wilf Carter on Nov 20, 2020 at 11:11 pm
Will Yukon Government supply grocery delivery to people who are sick, poor, disabled, shut in, seniors, major health issues, which are all at risk to getting CV19?
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John on Nov 20, 2020 at 8:46 pm
How about if you're worried about it, stay home. I'm all for mask policy if it's full blown proper fitting n-95. Otherwise it's a bunch of loose fitting, ineffective homemade garbage giving false sense of security. Now we have this crowd of do gooders saying they're wearing a mask to protect me, ya sure that's why you wear a mask. Stay home if you're worried.
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Brant on Nov 20, 2020 at 7:53 pm
At home in the Yukon.
The Yukon is not Covid-19 free. After having a couple of cases in the last few days we now have three new cases today. Let us be safe and wear mask to protect everyone.
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iBrian on Nov 20, 2020 at 7:15 pm
Mask’s should be like condoms.
It’s up to the individual. Stop pushing this BS on me.
This crap is just a cover up for something bigger that we are all missing.
And I don’t need your comment Sheepchaser. I do live around the corner buddy.
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Yukoner on Nov 20, 2020 at 6:57 pm
Have they just been sitting on the behinds... Why do they have to look into this, it should be done with decisions and policies already made.
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Douglas Martens on Nov 20, 2020 at 6:38 pm
wutt??? have we all become such a nation of cowards that we will not stand up and say enough of these asinine "precautions" already? Locking down whole civilizations over any illness is unprecedented. Even lepers were the only ones isolated in the past, not the entire countryside! I cannot believe that the general public actually thinks that the authorities care for them more than their own mothers ever did, making them cover their faces and cower in tiny rooms for weeks, just to avoid an alleged virus with a one in 300,000 mortality rate for those under 60 or whatever.
We are ruining everything we used to enjoy to appease a bunch of power crazy wannabe medkings! What is it you hated about Donald Trump so very very much? Was it that he was dictatorial and arrogant and abusive? Then why accept the abusive dictatorial edicts of all of these paternalistic statists, most of whom have never produced anything remotely useful in the last ten years, but delight in stopping the rest of us in the meaningful pursuits of production and enjoyment in our own lives? (rant complete lol)
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Max Mack on Nov 20, 2020 at 5:58 pm
Yep. Only a matter of time before Hanley and Silver implement mandatory mask-wearing -- even though the scientific evidence to support a mask mandate is paper thin. I guess the temptation to board the fascist bus is just too great. Besides, they have "public opinion" on their side. As if public opinion counts for anything when it comes to science.
All randomly controlled trials regarding mask efficacy in a non-healthcare setting have concluded that masks are not effective in preventing the spread of disease. That is real science.
What a tremendous waste of resources and perversion of justice, having RCMP and other so-called peace officers issuing fines and arresting folks for failing to wear a mask to prevent the spread of a virus with +99% survival rate.
Silver and Hanley should be ashamed of themselves. You and everyone that support your proposed mask mandate are virtue-signalling fascists.
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Matthew on Nov 20, 2020 at 4:48 pm
Like it or not, we all don't think the same way. And there is plenty of us who don't agree with masking. They already told us you can transmit it through your skin and touching things. Are we all going to walking around in hazmat suits next year!? This is beyond silly and your fears should never justify taking away our freedoms! Come on Hanley, let's have an open discussion with the public! None of that bias news reporters questions. Democracy my arse, by definition we are now a dictatorship... enjoy the gulag all, as the masks are only the start..
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If masks? on Nov 20, 2020 at 4:46 pm
Then why in countries that have implemented mandatory mask policies there hasn't been any decrease in cases.
Places that went under full lockdown... no decrease in cases.
Here is an amazing question, what is the current Covid rate in India and China? Did the somehow solve it?
Or do they just not give a flying fv...
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Josey Wales on Nov 20, 2020 at 4:25 pm
Hmmm...some very dangerous language Premier Hanley, lord & savior.
kung Flu a thing? yup it is! the numbers DO NOT square with the measures coast to coast to coast that are being engineered by LPC.
More accurately capitalizing on a killer flu to test some psy-op, dive into a great "reset" (as per the PM's words) and sell our sovereignty to GLOBALIST interests.
Seems like a great effort in attempts to break our will & spirits, like despots do.
A ridiculous serious of events in the last four years, then this crap...outta ChIna even?
Really folks? Seems to me, the plan was just four years behind...after HRC's very cancelled coronation. we are being played for fools, subjugated BIGTIMUS
and DOC, Premier, Lord & King, Ruler of all (allegedly) I seriously do not trust you, your team, your sycophants, your BU*LS*IT political science.
I need no tin foil hat, many however DO need to pull their head outta their colon and breathe deep.
Turn up the stove doc, too many frogs are getting stabilized...a few degrees at a time now Doc...then they can all boil.
In complete ignorance via "conditioning".
Has the PM offered an appointment deal with ya Doc?
All relevant points in a very serious time, so ya...I had to participate.
Oh yeah...done with state dictates too...from all blowholes.
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Justunsayin on Nov 20, 2020 at 4:24 pm
2/42052
2 deaths from Covid (apparently the second one was confirmed, the first one had serious underlying health issues, why else didn't they medevac?)
.00004756
Greater deaths from alcohol, suicide, pneumonia, cigarettes, influenza (Just in the Yukon).
No change in lifestyle. Do tell why the change for this "virus?"
Great Reset. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Beverly wood on Nov 20, 2020 at 4:06 pm
All of you have done a great job here in the Yukon. I appreciate it. A mandatory mask call will keep us all that much safer. Thanks again.
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Pinocchio Silver on Nov 20, 2020 at 3:57 pm
Can’t they just copy the policy they used for the “truth”.... Liberals had no problem masking that!
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JohnW on Nov 20, 2020 at 3:57 pm
For sure wear a mask if you believe it will prevent you from catching Covid, that's your right. Is anyone preventing you from wearing a mask whenever you want to?
But... your responsibility ends there and so does your right to tell others to wear masks. Especially when there's plenty of actual evidence from the real world that proves mask don't make any significant difference.
Danish study shows only 0.3% difference with masks or without! This is in a reputable medical science journal. Masks don't prevent Covid transmission.
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
If the govt tries to make public mask use mandatory then there will be justified non-compliance and push-back.
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JC on Nov 20, 2020 at 3:56 pm
Erin: Canada hasn't turned to the Stalin age yet. If you're afraid, wear a mask. Don't advocate forcing me.
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At home in the Yukon on Nov 20, 2020 at 2:44 pm
We must remember that there is no COVID in the Yukon! With the popping of the BC bubble, the border has just been tightened up by a lot! (Something I support because BC's COVID has gone crazy.) With no COVID in the Yukon and strong border restrictions, we needn't go overboard on internal protections.
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Yvonne on Nov 20, 2020 at 2:38 pm
Sandy we are all wearing masks here in your home town, keep safe and wear masks!❤️
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Erin on Nov 20, 2020 at 2:34 pm
Yukon should follow with what other Provinces are doing and let bylaw officers enforce any mandatory masks and issue fines. Seems to be working in other Cities.