Minister challenged over waste stations’ closures
The government’s decision to close waste transfer facilities in four rural communities continues to face substantial opposition from those communities.
The government’s decision to close waste transfer facilities in four rural communities continues to face substantial opposition from those communities.
A petition by 32 residents of Silver City and other communities along the northern stretch of the Alaska Highway implore Community Services Minister Richard Mostyn to reverse his decision to close the transfer station at Silver City.
Mostyn and his predecessor, John Streicker, have been accused of not carrying out any consultation on the initiative to close transfer stations in Silver City, Keno City, Johnson’s Crossing and Braeburn.
The 32 residents met with Mostyn last Monday in Destruction Bay to discuss the matter.
In a subsequent letter to Premier Sandy Silver, one resident said residents were hoping to have a meaningful exchange of views.
“Instead, what we met with was a rather shocking display of arrogance and condescension on the part of the minister, who obstinately refused to engage with us in a rational manner, and actually seemed unable to even hear the concerns of our community at all,” says the letter.
The letter described the meeting as an appalling train wreck.
The petition calls on the minister to conduct meaningful engagement and consultation with residents in the Kluane region, and to work with locals to keep the Silver City transfer station open.
If the minister cannot comply, the petition asks him “to resign so that someone who is interested in fairly representing and working with rural Yukoners be given the chance to do so.”
In a column written by Mostyn that was published in Friday’s Star, the minister defended the decision to close the transfer stations. He suggested it is the right thing to do to protect the environment and manage the waste stream more closely.
He said the government knows if it keeps small sites open, unsupervised and free, people would drive to them and “dump nasty waste” in them for convenience and to avoid paying tipping fees.
“So we are closing the smallest four transfer stations to prevent free, unsupervised dump,” Mostyn wrote.
“The few people currently living near those stations are all reasonably close to now-supervised landfills that are collecting tipping fees.”
The minister said in his column he would not resign, as he said was demanded by Yukon Party Leader Currie Dixon.
He wrote the Yukon Party wants to continue tossing garbage, waste oil, paints, batteries, old couches and waste metals freely into the environment without supervision or cost.
In a follow-up interview this morning, Mostyn emphasized it was the municipalities that asked the government back in 2017 for rules, control and consistency around garbage disposal to limit pollution and their liability.
Having the waste stream go to one of the eight landfills that are staffed and outfitted with control gates ensures proper disposal and management of the waste, he said.
Mostyn said the tipping fees collected will also cover about 20 per cent of the cost of disposal and management of the waste.
Yukon Party spokesman Tim Kucharuk said Friday in an email Dixon did not ask for Mostyn’s resignation.
“However, due to the minister’s arrogance and mishandling of the file, several residents have suggested that if he is not willing to properly listen or consult then he should resign.
“We encourage the minister to start listening and actually consult with rural Yukoners,” says the email.
Silver City resident Suzanne Tremblay said in an interview last week the government is using a calculation of only 10 residents living in the community to support its decision.
But there’s also the waste stream from other sources such as the culture camp, tourist traffic, contractors, the research centre and seasonal miners, she pointed out.
Tremblay said the closure will force community members and the others to drive the 30 kilometres to the landfills in Haines Junction or Burwash to dump their waste.
As it is, she said, the compaction garbage truck drives up to Destruction Bay regularly to empty its bins, then stops at Silver City to empty their bins before returning to Whitehorse to dump the garbage at the Whitehorse landfill.
Tremblay said she doesn’t know exactly when the government is going to close the transfer station because the government is not sharing that information, just as Mostyn didn’t share it last Monday night.
But the minister did indicate it would be anytime soon, she said.
Amber Smith of Keno City has the same concerns with the decision to close their transfer station, resulting in locals having to drive the 120-kilometre round trip to Mayo to dispose of their waste.
Forcing seniors to make the drive on a mostly gravel road does not support the government’s aging in place strategy, says a letter written by Smith.
Mostyn said residents of Keno City regularly drive to Mayo to get gas or groceries.
The Watson Lake landfill is up and running with a control gate and tipping fees, and is doing well, he noted.
Smith said the government has “grossly underestimated” the number of facility users, failing to take into account the tourists, campers, placer miners, hunters and users along the Silver Trail.
“We learned three years ago that the transfer station was slated for future closure, despite our best efforts efforts to dialogue and the present data/ information contrary to that of YG,” Smith writes.
“We believe that YG staff have cherry-picked the statistics to justify the decision. We believe our data makes the case for keeping our transfer station.”
The general concerns raised in submissions to the government include the risk that forcing residents to store their garbage at home for longer periods could lead to more bear encounters.
Comments (32)
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Jim Milley on Oct 10, 2021 at 4:27 pm
Something to consider... all of this was supposed to be about cost saving... yet the facilities in none of the bedroom communities surrounding Whitehorse are losing anything... none of these communities have stores or gas stations ...same as Keno...most of the residents work and commute to town every day where full services are available..and unlike Keno, none of these communities have tourism, business districts, mining, or television productions being carried out in their communities either.... closing any one of them would have saved the govt. far more than closing rural communities...also when I opened my business in Keno we had a well, dump, fire service, and have had for a century. It is the Liberal party who decided to remove them...no consultation whatsoever. We are all taxpaying residents of the Yukon, we are entitled to much more than we are given in the first place.
The attitude of some people is amazing, entitlement and privilege reign supreme. Poor wilderness city... a country club for politicians and civil servants alike.. people who make decisions for people they know nothing about. Half a billion dollars a year is spent paying for this "service" most of what's left is spent making them comfortable to the point the government is hiring 1000 more of them and can't afford to provide basic services to residents who have spent their life living outside of the governments approved list of communities. This is a disgraceful abuse of power. All made possible by Yukon refusing to recognize rural communities or districts... both in the municipal act... a convenient little loophole but it does not give them the right to deny human and civil rights or engage in discrimination...both federal laws the Yukon conveniently ignores.
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Anie on Oct 10, 2021 at 9:07 am
CJ2 - oh my, so much anger. Not worth trying to engage in reasonable discussion. But I would like to clarify that I didn't, use the word "entitled".
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Nathan Living on Oct 9, 2021 at 10:00 pm
I agree with these waste stations closing.
The Minister is making an unpopular decision but it's the right one.
We have to reduce government spending and rely more on people pooling their personal resources for the good of us all.
People can fundraise for a small community incinerator or use burn barrels if all else fails.
The sky is not falling because people have to drive for an hour to another facility. Freeze the smelly waste and go every second week. Please stop this outrageous entitlement that is out if step with pragmatism.
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Joe on Oct 9, 2021 at 8:59 am
Moystyn is a train wreck everywhere he goes.
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Wilf Carter on Oct 8, 2021 at 1:30 pm
Got love it. So more garbage ends up on side of the road, in the wood and gravel pits, rivers, lakes, etc. Is this part of liberals green plan and how they protect our environment?
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Groucho d'North on Oct 7, 2021 at 10:14 am
I suspect if more people keep garbage around their homes a few days longer because they can't make the trip to the dump as frequently due to distance and time, more bears will be attracted to back porches in residential areas.
As minister of the Dept. of Environment, I'm curious if the Hon. Nils Clarke spoke to this issue to protect wildlife from bearing the brunt of an inappropriate waste facility policy from Community Services?
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CJ2 on Oct 6, 2021 at 10:26 pm
@Anie, Thank you for bringing that up. I am totally aware that residents pay for curbside pickup. Some of those residents don't seem to realize what a good deal it is, because they only think of the whole fee for sewer/water/waste and no doubt it all looks sizable when you're paying quarterly. But the last time I looked, it was something just over $11 a month, to get waste picked up once a week. And it's a premium service. You simply can't compare that cost to tipping fees.
The fee might have been raised from $11 in the last couple of years (I don't know), but probably not doubled, which they've repeatedly done with tipping fees. And if it did double, it's still a great deal!
You might have no idea of just how convenient and cheap your curbside pickup is. So get out of here with the condescending "you might not be aware that we have to pay for curbside pickup and you don't" chatter.
Okay, sure, people with curbside pickup can weigh in on service cutbacks they're not experiencing from a position of ignorance, like everyone else. But is it wise to get on a high horse and sneer that people who understandably raise concerns about having to drive many, many kilometres to get rid of their ordinary garbage are "entitled" and made that "choice"? I don't think so.
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Suzanne Tremblay on Oct 6, 2021 at 5:24 pm
Whether anyone agrees with closing the transfer stations and tipping fees or not is only one part of this discussion. Meaningful consultation is what the Kluane region residents are demanding and Yukon Government is refusing to engage in discussion. Not only refusing to consult but as Dave Cartier stated in his comment quote "Rather than communicating in a responsible manner with the communities being hurt by his policies, he (Richard Mostyn) goes to the media and attempts to confuse the public understanding of the issue by reframing it as a political spat between himself and the opposition leader". Mostyn is twisting words and attempts to confuse the issue. Yukoners are not stupid Mr. Mostyn. Kluane residents asked for you to resign because you refuse to work with us and consult with us. You cannot shove your policies down people's throat!
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Avis on Oct 6, 2021 at 2:01 pm
@Suzanne Tremblay.
Approximately 4 months ago, the landfill at Drury Creek was closed to the residents of Little Salmon Lake. It takes 140 K to 200 K round trip to take refuse to the nearest user fee facility in Faro. We sympathize with you.
It is a 1 K round trip to Faro, the nearest land fill from Little Salmon Lake where we reside half time. The landfill at Drury Creek was closed 4 months ago.
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Pokemeinthearm on Oct 6, 2021 at 1:59 pm
@I smell bull
Also, claiming that people CHOOSE to live remotely is rich.
With housing prices the way they are in Whitehorse and given the fact that we're talking about some people's traditional territories, your comment is out of touch, and frankly a joke.
You sound as privileged as Richard himself.
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Pokemeinthearm on Oct 6, 2021 at 1:56 pm
@I Smell Bull
You're 100% correct! There is a direct correlation between how much you buy and how much garbage you produce.
A given person will create waste, no matter where they live or where (or how often) they purchase the products necessary to live their lives. So if a family of four comes to town monthly, they need to hold on to their rotten garbage for upwards of 30 days (in a way that discourages wildlife interactions).
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CJ2 on Oct 6, 2021 at 1:36 pm
@I Smell Bull, you don't get it. It doesn't matter if you have 2 pounds of garbage or 25 pounds, nobody wants it sitting around the house for weeks.
This isn't about reduction. You seem to think getting core services is a matter of making a "wise choice". Nobody got to choose in this scenario. They had rudimentary services, and now they don't. The government gets away with it because people like you are giving them the thumbs up, since it affects you, I'm guessing, not at all. I'd love to see the reaction if city residents were informed curbside pickup was being cut back to once a month. Now that would be a true waste reduction strategy.
It's a sound theory, that people with less money generate less garbage. But that doesn't matter with this system. Just as an example, somebody decides to replace a perfectly good couch and sells the one they have, because they can. Somebody else who has no couch at all buys the used couch. When that used couch wears out, most likely sooner rather than later, they pay to dispose of it. Sort of a penalty for making the "wise choice", or more likely, having the necessity, of recycling. That's why I no longer buy secondhand. So much for the "recycling" portion of reduce, reuse, recycle.
If the government was serious about motivating people not to over-consume, they'd attach those fees to the item when it's bought new. But this government shows absolutely no interest in doing that.
If I take one bag of garbage to the landfill, I pay the same as somebody taking 9 bags, at least in Whitehorse. (We both pay, by the way, more than that person who is getting curbside pickup). So forgive me if I take the assurances that they're devoted to this strategy in order to reduce waste with a large helping of salt.
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Wilf Carter on Oct 6, 2021 at 1:10 pm
This Mr Richard M told people that his government had no responsibility for housing, now garbage, no water systems, no policing, wow. Who is this person which is not fit to be a minister by his actions?
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Anie on Oct 6, 2021 at 1:09 pm
@CJ2 - yes, you live in Whitehorse and yes you do not have garbage pickup. You also do not pay for garbage pickup. Every once in a while a person who chose to live without that service pops up to complain (not that you were complaining) but they seem to always neglect to acknowledge that those with garbage pickup pay a significant quarterly fee (sewer water and garbage are not included in property taxes), and I'd just like to make that known. In answer to your post, I think that anyone with an opinion is welcome to comment, whether they have garbage pick up or not.
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YukonMax on Oct 6, 2021 at 9:00 am
Okay! So, I think the momentum is ripe for this community to start thinking outside the box. How to reduce garbage first, how to re-use, how to become a unique community that transforms it's garbage into compost, crafts and so forth. This is your opportunity to shine thru innovative ways of dealing with garbage.
YG has the capacity to assist the community with workshops and other resources.
Get your act together and show the rest of us what your made of.
Make some Mostyn BubbleHeads with cans and sell them to tourists with a short history of how the BubbleHeads came about.
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I Smell Bull on Oct 5, 2021 at 9:08 pm
@Pokeme
Did you ever think that just maybe, people who take relatively few trips into civilization to shop or get gas, will also produce relatively little garbage that they need to get rid of? There is a direct correlation between how much you buy and how much garbage you produce. It's common sense. Plus, at the end of the day, people CHOOSE to live remotely. There are many benefits to living remotely like peace and quiet, being close to nature etc. But one of the cons is that you don't get the same services that people in cities do. It's a fact of life. No one is forcing people to live there. The entitlement of some people in this territory is jaw dropping.
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Suzanne Tremblay on Oct 5, 2021 at 6:10 pm
One correction to Chuck's article: the closure will force community members and the others to drive 30 miles not 30 kilometres to the landfills in Haines Junction or Burwash to dump their waste. Sixty miles return.
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CJ2 on Oct 5, 2021 at 2:18 pm
@I Smell Bull, do you have curbside pickup? If so, you should abstain from this discussion.
I don't have curbside pickup, but I live in Whitehorse, and the 12 km. drive to get rid of waste is nuisance enough. The thought that every single trip to the nearest town -- which sounds like a fair distance for some of these cases -- requiring filling the vehicle with garbage first is no big deal and is something that only someone who doesn't have to think about how they are going to get garbage off their property could say with such self-righteous fervor.
This scheme isn't a garbage reduction strategy. In practice, it's shifting the staging area for waste storage from government transfer stations to private property. That the government wants to ease out of waste collection while it brags about charging stations for electric vehicles all over the Yukon is elitist nonsense. It's shameful to give it cover with environmentalist rhetoric.
The media should be a little less gullible. To start with, I'd like to know what Mostyn's statement "we now see the plan working" is based on.
Comparing the situation to communities elsewhere in Canada is also very questionable. To name just one significant difference, they have a more robust private sector that can fill some of the gaps in services that this government is abandoning.
To name another -- wildlife. Not one of the levels of government that so enthusiastically downloads the responsibility of waste collection has addressed the wildlife attractant element of storing waste in residential areas, which is the inevitable outcome of this plan. "Store it in the freezer" is one of the classic pieces of advice you'll hear.
Discussions of the tipping fees are a distraction, and apparently a fruitful one for people who think they are participating, but who actually enjoy more privileges.
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Pokemeinthearm on Oct 5, 2021 at 1:50 pm
@I Smell Bull
Did you ever stop to think that just maybe a person living in these areas might want to get rid of their trash with more frequency than the number of times they come to town for a grocery run in a given year?
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Pokemeinthearm on Oct 5, 2021 at 1:42 pm
Lol - look at all the thumbs up for the comments dragging Richard.
I wonder if that anonymous commenter who may or may not be ol' Mostyn himself will come on and claim all the likes are from "Currie's clickers".
Guess what? A lot of people don't like this guy very much. And when he acts like he has here with this situation, it only confirms that he is indeed, a total Richard.
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Vern Schlimbesser on Oct 5, 2021 at 11:03 am
We are prohibiting plastic bags.
We are prohibiting paper bags.
We are prohibiting dumping in small communities.
It is all too costly!
This from the same Mostyn who decided to lock the garbage cans at all the pull-outs and rest stops in the Yukon a few years back....to save money.
How did that turn out for you Richard?
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Jim on Oct 5, 2021 at 9:56 am
@BnR,
Liberals lie, we have done all our public consultation. Truth, we have done none and don’t care what the public thinks. Should we list the projects that this minister alone is guilty of this?
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Groucho d'North on Oct 5, 2021 at 8:46 am
Based on performance to date, it appears that Dick Mostyn has a problem with consultation or listening to other viewpoints. Like another Liberal in the news, perhaps he wants to be a Dick-tator too?
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Amber Smith on Oct 4, 2021 at 11:26 pm
They never even asked if we would accept tipping fees to help maintain the Keno TF. They also said no to our requests for an attendant, gate and lock. We're concerned about the "nasty stuff too". It's been YG's decision all along to keep our facility free and unattended. Inaction on all our requests have made it easier to justify the numbers by driving up costs and thereby justifying the decision the close it
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I Smell Bull on Oct 4, 2021 at 10:42 pm
@All Residents Deserve
If you have to drive 200 km round trip to dump garbage, I would like to know where you get your basic necessities like gas and groceries and if there is a landfill/dump there? Because I bet there is, so it would never be a trip solely to dump garbage.
Secondly, how does garbage get to your house/property? Do you drive to Whitehorse or other towns to purchase things which then generate garbage? If so, why do you think it should be on the government (see taxpayers) to cover the cost of properly disposing of the junk that you yourself dragged out to your remote home or business?
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Max Mack on Oct 4, 2021 at 9:30 pm
The Libs are determined to mold all of the Yukon into its pathological and neo-fascistic vision, one where waste is trucked to Whitehorse, all community dump sites are fenced and manned at tremendous cost, and small rural stations are closed. The inevitable result will be more trash in the bush, more human-animal encounters, and huge inconvenience and cost to rural Yukoners. Let's not forget the hastened end of the Whitehorse landfill from trucking of waste from outlying areas.
Coupled with equally stupid, virtue-signalling policies re: EVs, plastic bags, mining, ATVs, and carbon taxes, the Libs seem determined to make every aspect of Yukon life expensive, cumbersome, and policed in equal measure.
Perhaps the Yukon Government should hire a few more thousand "progressive thinkers" from BC and Ontario? That seems to be working so well. It will certainly guarantee the Libs another election (so they think).
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Poll on Oct 4, 2021 at 8:13 pm
If you think Whitehorse, Watson Lake and Dawson should STOP paying for the garbage produced by people who choose to live remotely, give this a thumbs up.
If you think that Whitehorse, Watson Lake and Dawson should KEEP paying for all the garbage produced by people who choose to live remotely, give this a thumbs down.
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BnR on Oct 4, 2021 at 4:02 pm
Conservatives: “We demand fiscal responsibility! Cut the waste!”
Also Conservatives: “Spend more money!”
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Why was he elected again? on Oct 4, 2021 at 3:54 pm
Most arrogant, condescending, untruthful “politician” the Yukon has ever seen.
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All residents deserve access to transfer stations on Oct 4, 2021 at 3:50 pm
I ready Richard Mostyn's "commentary". He spewed lies, and was completely ignorant to the fact that rural Yukoners deserve some semblance of services too. My god. I will pay tipping fees. What I shouldn't have to pay for is a 200km round trip just to dump garbage. Should we all do our part to lessen waste? Absolutely. But the plan from these Liberals is to make life harder for rural Yukoners in a number of small communities. He even had the gall to say there are only a "few" Yukoners that this decision affects. And to make his "commentary" all about Currie Dixon asking him to resign? With all due respect, Mostyn, that is incorrect. A lie. In fact, it was residents asking for you to resign. And the request still stands.
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TMYK on Oct 4, 2021 at 3:28 pm
Anyone who is shocked by Mostyn's arrogance and condescension has obviously never met the man before.
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Pokemeinthearm on Oct 4, 2021 at 2:51 pm
Arrogance and condescension?
From the smarmiest of all Yukon Liberal caucus members, Richard Mostyn?
You don't say.
I can't say I disagree with the fact that we should be paying for solid waste disposal, but Richard's typically Mostyn-esque approach to this situation is exactly what we have all come to expect from him.
Sandy Silver and the rest of the YLP should be embarrassed at the theatrics.