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Energy, Mines and Resources Minister John Streicker and Yukon Party MLA Stacey Hassard

Minister challenged on rebated fuel tax statement

The governing Liberals and the Yukon Party quarrelled Wednesday over the continuing question of fuel prices and whether the territorial government should offer a rebate.

By Tim Giilck on April 7, 2022

The governing Liberals and the Yukon Party quarrelled Wednesday over the continuing question of fuel prices and whether the territorial government should offer a rebate.

Yukon Party MLA Stacey Hassard said John Streicker, the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources, didn’t know what he was talking about during recent remarks he made on the issue to reporters.

“Earlier this week, when the minister of Energy was talking to media about the Yukon Party’s proposal to defer collection of the fuel tax for the year, the minister said — and I’ll quote: ‘one of the ones that has been suggested to us is to drop the gas tax, but remember: all of the gas tax is rebated to Yukoners. So that isn’t helping in a sense because all that money is going back anyways.’

“Can the minister explain those comments and tell this house how the fuel tax is rebated to Yukoners?” Hassard asked.

“Mr. Speaker, the simple fact is that what the minister told the media earlier this week was flat-out wrong. The fuel tax is not rebated to Yukoners, but given the inflation crisis that Yukoners are facing, we believe that it should be,” Hassard added.

“Will the government agree to cut the fuel tax on Yukoners while they face this unprecedented cost-of-living crisis?”

Streicker attempted to explain himself in the wake of those pointed questions.

“What I was speaking about is the carbon price. The carbon price, of course, is a federal policy that is brought in but which we support, and what we have done is design a program where all of those dollars are rebated to Yukoners,” he said.

“They go back to Yukon families; they go back to Yukon businesses; they go back to First Nation governments and municipal governments. They don’t come back to us.

“We’ve discussed carbon pricing very often in the legislative assembly and that’s what I was referring to.”

Hassard brushed that off, noting, “I’ll remind the minister: that’s not what he said, and that’s certainly not we had asked.”

That provoked a testy response from Streicker

“I don’t recall seeing the member opposite there when I was speaking to the media,” he said.

“I will check back to make sure that it was clear that I was talking about the carbon price, but I’m standing on the floor of the legislature today to say that this is about the carbon price and the carbon rebate.”

Hassard sniped back on that answer.

“You know, we hear often about the importance of providing accurate information, and it is clear that the minister is certainly not doing that today.

“Jurisdictions across North America have been announcing that they are taking action by cutting or suspending their fuel taxes, but here in the Yukon, government ministers have demonstrated that they don’t even know how the fuel tax works, and have incorrectly suggested that it is already rebated,” Hassard said.

Premier Sandy Silver interjected himself into the discussion at that point.

“The minister has been clear when it comes to the rebate of carbon pricing, and we have also been clear that we believe that affecting the cost of living on a positive basis on the electrical rates is a better approach forward,” the premier said.

“We have designed a whole budget that addresses inflation since August (2021). We have been making lives more affordable for Yukoners.”

Hassard, Silver added, “is part of the team that has been proven very unreliable when it comes to carbon pricing. They just put a press release out saying that they have never been in favour of a carbon pricing mechanism, but yet they campaigned on having one.

“Again, they could say that we are mincing our words about carbon pricing when it’s absolutely not true. We have been consistent about carbon pricing since the beginning.

“We have also been consistent with our rebates and our efforts to make lives more affordable for Yukoners since day one.”

Comments (15)

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Jim on Apr 13, 2022 at 10:09 am

@EJ, it always make me laugh when I hear one of the koolaid drinkers spout off that most people get back as much or more than they put into the carbon tax shell game. Well let’s just take a look at that. Take fuel oil for example. A standard tank is over 1000 litres. Last fill up (before April fools increase) the carbon tax was .10 plus gst. An average size house will use 3 to 4 tanks per year. That’s 3 to 400 right there. If you drive a car and your fill up is at least 80 litres you will be paying close to $10 for carbon tax. If you only fill up every 2 weeks that close to $250. Every grocery item you buy has the same carbon tax attached. Every clothing item you buy has carbon tax attached. Electricity has carbon tax attached. Anything else that arrives by truck or air has carbon tax attached to it. Of course there are low interest loans available for house retrofits. But again you have to increase your debt load. You can get an EV car rebate, but again you increase your debt load. You may be correct that if you ride the bus, rent with utilities included (after all rents can only increase 3.7%) you might think your getting ahead. But carbon tax is not separated on all the other purchases you make.

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Groucho d'North on Apr 12, 2022 at 12:28 pm

@Vlad
I would recommend reading Green Fraud by Marc Morano, it lays out the bigger picture of what this 'save the world from oursleves' hype is all about: Power and Control.

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vlad on Apr 12, 2022 at 11:05 am

It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford’s book organizes the facts very well.) I don’t believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist.

Hal Lewis, professor emeritus of physics at the University of California, Santa Barbara, to the American Physical Society:

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North_of_60 on Apr 10, 2022 at 9:12 pm

Streicker says "... The carbon price, of course, is a federal policy that is brought in but which we support, and what we have done is design a program where all of those dollars are rebated to Yukoners,” but he cleverly fails to mention is that his idea of "rebated to Yukoners" is spending that rebate money on subsidies for wind turbines, solar panels, grid storage batteries and EV chargers, not actually spending it to lower our electric bills or the cost of fuel. The "riders" on our electric bills and the taxes on our fuel are imposed by Streicker's govt and they could reduce them tomorrow if they wanted to help Yukoners cope with rapidly rising prices on fuel and electricity.

"If the peasants can't buy bread, then let them eat cake" is a common attitude of the entitled LIB hegemony who think they rule us.

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Groucho d'North on Apr 9, 2022 at 12:39 pm

@Astonished!
Yes I will continue to support Mr. Cathers as my MLA. He does a great job for his constiuents as his repeated elections have demonstrated.
You must be another of the name-calling Liberals who hope to find some flaw in Mr. Cathers that can be exploited to shame him or otherwise make him less popular.
Answer me this: If - as you suggest - Mr. Cathers is performing some kind of giggery-pokery with his expense claims, don't you think the legislative staff who vet and approve these claims would have caught on by now and admonished him for it? You're barking at the moon.

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Groucho d'North on Apr 9, 2022 at 11:43 am

@EJ
Yes I have a different view of the whole Global Climate Change campaign. Notice I added global, because it is a global situation we are supposed to be dealing with rather than a local, regional or even national concern.
The Trudeau Liberals have embraced the topic and are hell-bent on demonstrating to the world that Canada is a world leader in restricting carbon emissions by our citizens. The methodology is similar to protecting wild fish stocks. The oceans are being raped by foreign fishing fleets with the gigantic nets that capture millions of fish at a time. So to address this destruction of the resource, governments limit recreational anglers to two fish per day.
The same is happening with carbon emissions, Train loads of dirty Canadian coal are being shipped to China to burn to make electricity, so to offset this level of pollution, governments impose Carbon Taxes for Canadians that amount to very little in the reduction of CO2 in the bigger picture of what could be done to make the planet healthier. Traditionally governments pursue the low hanging fruit and make a big deal about it so they can demonstrate some form of progress. The data they provide to show progress is not always correct, much of it is computer modelling that has a history of being unreliable or in some previous cases outright falsehoods.
A week or so ago there was the article about the petition CPAWS made to the government about measuring Yukon's emissions picture. Then as now, I advocate that real scientific research and measurement be performed to accurately confirm the air quality here in the territory so that all of us will have an honest assessment of what the truth about carbon really is. Governments have been known to bend the truth to support their decisions and I think we'd be foolish to believe they are not doing that now. Instead we get gibberish science and a whole lot of hyperbole (Kool-aid) about how dire things are and how their solutions are making a huge improvement. Apart from the government coffers getting bigger through taxation, how do we know progress is being made to reduce carbon like they say it is?
Back when the Climate Change topic began some 30 years ago there was data gathered to support the doom and gloom of burning fossil fuels. That is a benchmark, so following 30 years of reduced carbon emissions, one might expect there would some data to demonstrate the effectiveness of these actions to reduce fossil fuel emissions, so where is it? Why are the governments and global agencies fighting climate change not sharing how successful their efforts have been? I believe the only real tangible data they may have is how much money they have collected through taxation.
I will always believe a scientist over a politcian, and I took the words of a preeminent scientist as a more truthful position than Al Gore and his ilk, Mr. Lewis even resigned his lofty position in the American Physical Society in protest. Read this: https://www.heartland.org/publications-resources/publications/hal-lewis-resignation-letter-from-the-american-physical-society

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bonanzajoe on Apr 8, 2022 at 5:02 pm

Astonished! Brad Cather's rebate cheque won't be any bigger than yours, mine or anybody else. They are all the same. So, really what are you talking about?

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Astonished! on Apr 8, 2022 at 3:00 pm

Wow, can you imagine what size Brad Cathers rebate cheque will be? Some people don't even earn that much and yet Groucho defends him. Go figure?

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Tagish resident on Apr 8, 2022 at 1:51 pm

I read somewhere that our emissions have gone up with our population. Most of those moving here are working for YG. So how about smaller government, would mean lower population numbers equals lower emissions!

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EJ on Apr 7, 2022 at 9:51 pm

@Groucho You think climate change means 'drinking the kool aid' so I'm going to guess that you also think covid 19 is a hoax and 9/11 was an inside job. You conspiracist folks are a funny bunch.

As for the carbon tax, you are right that some consumers don't get 100% of it back. But you should also mention that some consumers get more of it back than they put in. People who take the bus, walk, bike or even drive a car to work instead of a gas guzzling SUV or truck will all on average get back more than they end up paying. And it makes sense in the end that those who contribute the most to the problem, also end up paying the most. That's the whole point.

If you don't think a market based solution like a price on carbon is the best way to reduce our emissions, please tell us what a better way forward is? I suppose government could just start banning certain types of fuels, engines, etc
Maybe start enforcing some heavy handed regulations instead of letting the market sort it out as is happening now with a price on carbon.

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Just Saying..... on Apr 7, 2022 at 6:03 pm

I find it incredible that everyone can ask or demand for a subsidy and not even offer up one iota of "I can be the difference and I can make a change".

Make a simple change in your life. Try walking to the convenience store, ride your bike, drive less, take the bus, ride share or get a smaller car and park the big truck.

I do not support a gas tax rebate, but rather a bigger tax on fuel to make public transportation free and MUCH better than it is now.
....and for those that will attack this comment, I own and drive a compact and a 1 ton diesel, so I'm willing to pay to improve things

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bonanzajoe on Apr 7, 2022 at 5:26 pm

Silver says, "We have been making lives more affordable for Yukoners.” Huhh? In what way? Food prices have gone up at least 30% and gas 55%. on his watch. Don't get started on housing prices and rent. How can some lie with such ease? So, Silver, if you will, tell me how you have made Yukoners lives more affordable on your watch. Waiting for your answer with abated breath.

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Groucho d'North on Apr 7, 2022 at 3:12 pm

Mr. Streicker has been drinking deep from the Climate Change Kool-aid and it appears he has been coached to make his statements softer and gentler. The Carbon Price is a tax no matter how you spin it and consumers do not receive 100% of the carbon tax paid back. I know Liberal math may say it does, but real world book-keeping for my vehicle fuel and home heating oil indicates the government's rebate is a bit lite.

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Jim on Apr 7, 2022 at 2:30 pm

They have not done anything to help make life more affordable.

Sure they have the daycare benefit but for anyone smart enough not to have anchors (children) we get nothing??
Forget daycare subsidies, bring on some fuel subsidies!!

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Mitch Holder on Apr 7, 2022 at 1:53 pm

Some people are already choosing between driving at all and heating their homes. We pay a tax to pollute with a polluting market of products forced on us by unregulated capitalism for a century. When every MLA and senior staffer in YTG sells their vehicles and donates the revenue to environmental initiatives in our territory, only then will I even consider supporting a carbon tax.

Illegitimi non cabontaxium, don't let the bastards grind down your wages with their greed and ignorance.

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