Mary Lake residents protest infill proposal
Dozens of submissions against proposed rezoning
By Stephanie Waddell on October 24, 2017
Dozens of submissions against proposed rezoning that permits infill development in some country residential neighbourhoods were made during a lengthy public hearing in city council chambers Monday evening.
The majority of those speaking out are residents of the Mary Lake subdivision.
Residents argue the proposal, which would see some parks and recreation areas rezoned for country residential lots, flys in the face of city goals outlined in documents like the Official Community Plan and the sustainability plan.
It would see many well-loved trails disappear for development.
Residents also highlighted concerns about the plans over the potential impact on wells, roads and the lifestyle in the neighbourhood that they have come to enjoy.
Under the proposal, the zoning amendments would see:
• a 5.1 hectare parcel on Couch Road rezoned from Parks and Recreation (PR) to Country Residential 1(RC1);
• a 3.2 ha site on Talus Drive rezoned from PR, Greenbelt (PG) and Environmental Protection (PE) to RC1;
• a 2.03 ha area also on Talus Drive rezoned from PE to RC1;
• a 2.71 ha site on Fireweed Drive rezoned from PG to RC1;
• a 3.16 ha site also on Fireweed Drive rezoned also from PG to RC1;
• a 2.08 ha site on Salmon Trail from Future Planning (FP) to RC1; and
• a site (the size of the lot was not provided in city documents) at Magpie Road and Falcon Drive from Neighbourhood Commercial (CN) to Restricted Residential (RR).
There are also other areas around the city that are being considered for infill residential development that do not require rezoning.
Those sites are on Wann Road, Sandpiper Drive and Wilson Drive. Council is expected to consider those under a separate, future resolution.
The infill is being done in an effort to get more lots to market as demand for housing continues to grow.
Many argued last night, however, that adding to country residential neighbourhoods would do nothing to provide affordable housing in the city.
The proposal for rezoning in country residential neighbourhoods has been protested by numerous residents since it was first made public, with signatures gathered in protest and presentations made to council against the plans.
One of the biggest issues to come up last night was over the trails in Mary Lake.
Many took issue with a city report that pointed out the arteries that would be impacted by development are not official trails.
While they may not have made it to any official map or status, delegates argued the “spiderweb” of paths through the neighbourhood are heavily used.
“They’re used year-round for lots of activities,” said Lois Johnston, the first delegate to address council during the public hearing.
Families with young kids are often seen walking or biking along the trails, council members were told.
Many use the area to pick berries, and, for many dogs in the neighbourhood, it’s where they are taken every day for a walk.
“These trails are our sidewalks,” Tamara Young said.
She also mentioned the higher volume and speed of traffic along Fireweed Drive in recent years as the neighbourhood, created in the 1980s, has grown.
Frances Naylen was among a few who pointed out the greenbelt is a place for a wide variety of wildlife.
“I think it is important to save those areas,” she said, after describing the area’s “cacophony of songbirds.”
As many pointed out, the city’s decision to permit garden suites on lots of a certain size means that in some cases, the number of homes on a lot has doubled.
Private development is also underway in the neighbourhood.
Developer Mel Stehelin (who is also a former city councillor) argued the city’s plans are impacting that private development.
Lots for sale
He already has a couple of lots available for sale in the area, with plans in the works for about a half-dozen more to be developed in the coming years.
He noted though, there has only been one person interested in looking at the lots available.
Stehelin suggested many who would otherwise be interested are waiting to see if the city pursues development. In other cases, prices are dropping as the city pursues more development.
“(The) city development is inappropriate,” Stehelin said.
He also pointed out that a lot in Raven’s Ridge that had been listed for $229,000 sold for just $162,000.
Many noted they had bought their property with an expectation that areas zoned for parks, greenbelt and the like would remain as such.
One man said he and his family situated their home in a way that would provide a view of a meadow – land that would be developed with houses under the city’s infilling proposal.
Others pointed to the impact on water wells.
Craig Yakuchuk pointed out that since more development has come to his neighbourhood of Whitehorse Copper in recent years, there’s been a noticeable drop in water production from his well. At one point during the summer, his well went dry.
He pointed out there are many other parts of the city where development could happen where sites already zoned for parks and such would not have to be changed.
“We have so much potential to develop areas,” Yakuchuk said.
Those who have lived in Mary Lake for years told council development of the area only seems to be increasing in recent years.
“It just seems that there’s no end to it,” one delegate said.
Along with presentations to council, the city received a total of 33 written submissions.
Of them, 21 expressed opposition to the rezoning, six highlighted concerns and another six supported the rezoning.
City staff will bring forward a report on the public hearing next week.
Council is then expected to vote on second and third readings of the rezoning a week later.
Coun. Dan Boyd attended Monday’s meeting by conference call.
Comments (23)
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Salar on Oct 30, 2017 at 8:31 pm
The few CR NIMBYS that have come out to protest only displays the have, have-not in their whole baseless arguments.
I wouldn't want them teaching my children.
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Jayne W on Oct 30, 2017 at 1:57 pm
@not us all.......There are spots in Country Residential that are zoned already RC1. So build away, we have been waiting for new homes and neighbours. Why is the City not using that?
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Miles Ocean on Oct 30, 2017 at 1:16 pm
Jonathan Colby
Don't you mean?
They bulldozed almost all of the greenspace near homes in Takhini, starting with the broomball arena, and it's still happening today.
My sincere sympathy for these country residential owners. Your neighborhood is threatening to become the hodge-podge, stuffed goose that is my neighborhood, and your objections are very appropriate given the city's track record.
Stop the nonsense before it becomes worse!
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Hannimal on Oct 30, 2017 at 1:12 pm
Sounds to me like Jonathan Colby is a little upset that he bought in Takhini. When you pay for a crappy house in the City, you get a crappy house in the City. When you spend hundreds of thousands more for a Country Residential home than a crappy City home, you should get what you pay for, peace, quiet and neighbors that can't see in your windows!!!!
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Jonathan Colby on Oct 30, 2017 at 8:49 am
They bulldozed almost all of the greenspace near homes in Takhini, starting with the broomball arena, and it's still happening today.
No sympathy for these country residential whiners. Until your neighborhood is threatening to become the hodge-podge, stuffed goose that is my neighborhood, your pitiful objections are so much noise.
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Groucho d'North on Oct 29, 2017 at 6:18 pm
I wish the largest land holders in the greater Whitehorse region would get some of their vast land holdings onto the market. Yes the Kwanlin Dun and Taan first nations. I hear you want and expect to have a rightful place in Yukon's economy- well get at er! We're waiting and the market appears to be ripe for you to enter, so what's the hold up?
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Not all of us on Oct 29, 2017 at 3:55 pm
I do live in one of these areas at great cost. The only reason not to do this would be if the water or septic capacity can't be proven.
There is almost no traffic on these wide roads right now and a few extra lots won't change that much - drive the 50 speed limit people and we'll all be fine. And dear me, trails have moved with human land use patterns for millenia and there are so, so many here to choose from. Just start a new trail around the lots.
Not all of us here are against having new neighbours.
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ProScience Greenie on Oct 29, 2017 at 12:54 pm
Expanding CoW boundaries would be nothing more than a greedy cash grab Francis. Whitehorse is big enough and for once needs to learn to live within its means and boundaries.
There is indeed lots of available land within CoW which is easily shown by a quick look at a few gov online maps.
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Jayne W on Oct 28, 2017 at 3:24 pm
@Salar, I think the major concern is that residents looked at the areas around them and what is was ZONED for. Park/Greenbelt does not equal homes someday. People do read the COW OCP. We all did not add garden suites, we pay bills just like everyone else, we even pay taxes without the added amenities. I think we should be teaching our children to stand up and question for what they think is right not to cave in to whatever is put in front of them. Residents have done a lot of research in this infill incentive and it is not a simple as yes or no and that is what Council needs to consider.
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Salar on Oct 28, 2017 at 12:32 pm
Looking at the sites being considered you have to call it for what it is....NIMBY....amazing that adults can go to the level we teach our children not to go.....but I subdivided and got all my bills paid off but I don't want anyone else to be able to do that.....think of the environment, I drive to town but I don't want anyone else to....I built a garden suite on MY property so it's getting too crowded....holy people
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Francis on Oct 27, 2017 at 10:54 pm
Expand the city boundaries out to include attached users of City amenities. You'd create a larger tax base and provide more CR lots, killing two birds with one stone.
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warlord on Oct 27, 2017 at 7:57 pm
Population explosion, urban sprawl, diminishing green, climate change, the only outcome is end game. Just like the Red Indians always told us. " ...a road going nowhere except into the White man's void."
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not okay on Oct 27, 2017 at 6:51 am
It is totally not fair that people bought land and oriented their houses and built wells based on greenbelt zoning, and now the city is saying, 'What the hey, let's just change the zoning and put a bunch of lots in there.'
Ya, life's not fair and all that, but this is just WRONG. And no, I do not live in any of the affected areas. I just don't like to see people screwed over.
Anyone who is okay with this and who is not personally going to suffer the consequences of this is way out of line. Seriously, how would you like it?
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Pragmatic on Oct 27, 2017 at 6:40 am
It absolutely makes sense in many different ways to add lots to existing CR.
For one, the infrastructure is already there. So rather than disturbing undeveloped land, let's just increase the density in areas that already are developed. Lot sizes are staying the same, just more of them.
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CJ on Oct 26, 2017 at 10:07 pm
@Jayne W, I totally agree. These are distinctive neighbourhoods that are in the city's sights. Everyone might want country residential, but if the city just goes into densify country residential, especially with this crude approach, that's not what anyone will have -- just suburban lots with water and waste issues.
Everyone should be concerned about the proposed rezoning of parks and greenbelt. If that goes ahead, why should anyone consider any of those zones safe from development? No matter what the city planners say, it is not routine for cities to encroach into those zones.
If the planners showed any sensitivity towards the nature of the existing development and employed a little less of their usual bull-in-a-china shop approach to infill, they might have had a chance at productive discussions. Suggesting to council that residents are unreasonable in being attached to the trails they use -- right, that's smart. Trails have only been one of the most contentious land use issues of the past few years. That must be one of the things that escaped the attention of the planning department.
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BnR on Oct 26, 2017 at 5:24 pm
Jayne W
Nobody is suggesting for a moment that the lot size be changed.
People want the lot size.
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Wayne Nicks on Oct 26, 2017 at 3:35 pm
@YXY
Have your read the City OCP? It is quite clear, and recommendations are made to mayor and Council in the OCP, that the next designated country residential lots should be developed in the area that is called Forest View. In essence, this is land that borders or is in the vicinity of the Cousins airstrip.
This is quite clear in Objective(s) 10 and 11 of the the OCP.
The other issue, that is of the utmost importance, and this was pointed on by another person, is the City planning branch must ensure that they adhere to Part 2 Clause 1.4 of the OCP This addresses FireSmart regulations. Failure to enforce FireSmart regulations could be devastating to the City as whole.
You can find the City of Whitehorse OCP online by Googling it. I would put the link here but it is pretty long as it comes up in a PDF format.
What is very clear is that the current Mayor and Council and the planning branch are not following recommendations as per the OCP Clause's above. If you read sections 10 and 11 of the OCP you will find that the current lots designated for infill are not in accordance with the OCP. Taking away designated recreational and green space lands, for residential development, is a total violation of the OCP.
Areas for future country residential are clearly defined in the OCP the Mayor and Council should stick to the plan and not try to get creative.
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Jayne W on Oct 26, 2017 at 10:02 am
@BnR, your right Whitehorse is growing and people want Country Residential. But if you take the existing area that are such, it won't be that anymore. It will be just like other subdivisions in Whitehorse. You and anyone that want this type of lifestyle, demand it from your Politicians on both Municipal level and Territorial level. Protest, write letters, question next year the folks that are running for council if they are going to do anything about it. Citizens are asking for Country Residential but it should not be just filling in areas that are zoned Greenbelt. That is what makes these neighbourhoods what they are.
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YXY on Oct 26, 2017 at 6:55 am
PSG said: "So much open land inside CoW city limits that a dozen or more Mary Lake subdivisions with varying size lots and tons of green space could be built"
Ok, where? Identify some locations that would be suitable for your proposal that is not FN land and is suits for these subdivisions.
Additionally, I thought we were all about trying to increase density to avoid more cars on the highway commuting etc...
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BnR on Oct 25, 2017 at 3:16 pm
KARA speedway was shut down because of Mary Lakers.......
And now, they are all what about us? We were here first!
Whitehorse is growing, people want country res. Get over it.
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Miles Ocean on Oct 24, 2017 at 10:17 pm
We clearly need a new city council. How many times do they say outlandish things and put the cart before the horse with half baked ideas before appropriate public consultation? Far too many!
Country residential property owners should not have to write letters and go before council to protect their greenbelts and trails, environmentally sensitive areas and parks.
Council members and the mayor need to protect these special areas, keep development out, and keep motorized trails away from special areas that have been set aside decades ago.
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Stuart Young on Oct 24, 2017 at 5:30 pm
Some confusion there as Mel Stehelin's property for sale is not in Mary lake area.
Should also note that Craigs well went dry although he had originally over 8 gallons per minute of recharge which is 10 times over what the city considers adequate.
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ProScience Greenie on Oct 24, 2017 at 3:02 pm
So much open land inside CoW city limits that a dozen or more Mary Lake subdivisions with varying size lots and tons of green space could be built. Lots of demand for it especially by born and raised Yukon young adults starting their own families. Why is that not happening? Most likely because it would cut into the bottom line of developers, real estate agents and their political puppets. Easy to follow the money in this very transparent territory.