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Landslide debris-clearing can’t begin yet

It’s still unsafe to begin clearing Robert Service Way of the mudslide that occurred last Saturday, Mayor Laura Cabott said at a media briefing this morning.

By Chuck Tobin on May 6, 2022

It’s still unsafe to begin clearing Robert Service Way of the mudslide that occurred last Saturday, Mayor Laura Cabott said at a media briefing this morning.

“I was hoping I could say we would start to move debris this weekend,” Cabott told reporters. “Unfortunately, we can’t, because it remains a dangerous and active area.”

As far as the next steps go, she said, the city will continue to monitor the situation – but Robert Service Way will remain closed for a least a few more days.

She said survey equipment has been set up to measure any further slippage. In some areas, material has come down another four centimetres, she said, adding tension cracks in the slide have also been detected.

The city’s engineering department is working with a local veteran geo-engineer to assess the situation. A slide specialist down south has also been retained to provide advice.

“We will continue to monitor, continue to use the survey equipment to see if there is further movement,” Cabott said.

Staff began assessing the slide immediately after it occurred, and have been assessing it every day since.

The city had blocked off access to Robert Service Way at the Alaska Highway, allowing only traffic for Skookum Asphalt and Yukon Energy, she noted.

The mayor said the barriers have been moved down the roadway so the general public can now drive or cycle down and have access to the Millennium Bridge.

There is security posted at both ends of the road closure to ensure access is prevented, even on foot.

Cabott said initially, some people went into the slide area for a closer look, but generally people have been very co-operative.

The city is also monitoring traffic flow to measure any congestion as a result of all traffic from the south bound for downtown now having to use Two Mile Hill, she said.

Cabott said staff do have the ability to change the timing of traffic lights to assist with congestion, if need be.

The mayor said earlier this week the cause of the slide is saturated soil as a result of high amounts of precipitation the city has received in the last couple of years, including this year.

It’s estimated that approximately 2,000 cubic metres of material came down – roughly equivalent to some 200 dump truck loads.

The slide is about 60 metres wide. It buried the railway track, smothered the roadway, took out the guardrail, a light standard and some trees.

The mayor pointed out the city had already budgeted money this year to complete an assessment of the entire escarpment to determine if there are any areas that look like they may present a danger.

Tracy Allen, the city’s director of operations, said people have adjusted their traffic patterns, so staff feel comfortable moving the barriers further down Robert Service Way to provide access to the Millennium Bridge.

City staff are working on a safe work plan to remove the debris once it’s safe to access the site, she said.

Allen said they definitely do not want the larger debris getting into the Yukon River and going down, and hitting the Robert Campbell Bridge. There’s also fish habitat to be concerned about, she said.

The mayor said it’s way too early to estimate how much it will cost the city to get Robert Service Way open again.

With $55 million in reserves, the city is in a sound financial position, she said.

Officials will look to the federal government and programs it has in place to assist with these types of emergencies.

Asked if she believes climate change had anything to do with the slide, the mayor said they hope to learn more about that, as much as they can.

As a lay person who watches what’s going on in the world, she said, she would say climate change was a factor.

One route in the municipal transit system, the Number 5 Copper Ridge Express and Lobird route, has been detoured for the time being.

During a CBC Yukon interview Thursday, John Clague, a retired professor of earth sciences at Vancouver’s Simon Fraser University, suggested the soil saturation being blamed for the avalanche could have been caused by how the airport manages its snow removal.

“Where does that snow go?” he asked.

“Do they pile up anywhere on that bench? There was so much water coming out of that slope, it surprised me,” Clague told the CBC.

Carly Bohman, a communications analyst with Yukon Highway and Public Works, told the Star, “The airport does not pile snow in this area or anywhere eastside of the airfield (where the landslide occurred).”

– With a file from Tim Giilck. See letter, photo p. 19.

Comments (58)

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Roy on May 12, 2022 at 9:48 pm

The people who are yelling “clear the road! Let me at it I’ll do it! It’s just dirt!” are the *exact* same people who would be speed dialing some strip mall lawyer to sue the city if their precious jacked up (leased) truck got even a scratch on it from dirt falling off this cliff in the future.

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Yukoner61 on May 12, 2022 at 9:47 pm

@"has to be said"

"To quote what you find on the internet truly shows the diversity of "your" research". Yes I went to the websites of those institutions to see what their positions were. Do I need to visit them in person to verify what they say? I'm not sure why you are implying that official websites are not trustworthy.

"putting your bets on those that believe the sky is falling in shows that you did/do not even bother to look outside your comfort zone." - Again, I listed a bunch of world class scientific school and organizations. You are oddly telling me that they constitute my comfort zone? So I guess you are saying that I should also be considering some fringe psedo-science sources as well? Or maybe some individual scientists who no institution is willing to back? Anyways, I've asked you to please give me some sources that I should be considering, but you obviously are embarrassed by your sources or don't have any since you just lectured me vaguely on how to do research instead pointing to some actual sources as I've asked for.

"Oh, we mustn't forget former VP Gore and his outrageous claims" - Why should we consider what Al Gore said? He is a politician not a climatologist. I'm guessing you want to include him in this chat because he made exaggerated claims and is easy to attack. But in reality he is a strawman used by climate deniers. I'm siding with the organizations I cited, not Al Gore. Nice try though.

"You can wallow in your self made misery along with your own conspiracies." hahahah you are trying to flip this and pretend that I am the one believing in conspiracies?! Let me remind you that it is you taking the position that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists are either incompetent or paid off by some nefarious global cabal.

Oh and just to note, since we have started this debate, Hayriver has now been evacuated due to floods, thousands of people in Australia are being evacuated because of floods, and many homes are being lost in California and New Mexico as wildfires there grow.

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John on May 12, 2022 at 2:41 pm

@ Yukoner61

My last comment to you. But before I give it, I just want to make note that it appears, by looking at the responses to your submissions, I don't think you won too many people over.

My comment - I can only give some sage advice to you here, a lesson if you will - "Never bring a Pea Shooter to a Gun Fight..."

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has to be said... on May 12, 2022 at 11:24 am

@ Yukoner61

Just as I said - selective reading on your part. To quote what you find on the internet truly shows the diversity of "your" research. What are you missing beyond your bubble? By your own admission of only looking at one discipline and putting your bets on those that believe the sky is falling in shows that you did/do not even bother to look outside your comfort zone. Alarmist always behave in a similar manner loving to criticize other folks if they don't align themselves to your narrative.

You just go on believing what you believe sonny. Oh by the way, my own research on what was said about the mini-ice age by another commentator came from none other than a climatologist. Oh, we mustn't forget former VP Gore and his outrageous claims - based on his assertions that is what the climatologists have been saying. If we hung onto his words, like many of you folk, we would all be dead, or near dying by now.

Anyway, I am off to do real work, make a living and enjoy the sunshine. You can wallow in your self made misery along with your own conspiracies.

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Yukoner61 on May 11, 2022 at 10:09 pm

@"Has to be said"

So you decided to jump into the fray in order to attack me with ad hominems while simultaneously not refuting a single thing I said. Well done champ.

Since I am apparently living "in a bubble" and can't look beyond the perimeter of it according to you, what exactly am I missing? I cited many of the world's top scientific organizations, schools and two space agencies who all agree on this issue. So please tell me what source of information or knowledge exists outside of my "bubble"? What important sources of information am I missing here?

"You simply will not look at anything but your own narrative" - scientific theories leave little room for narrative. The only people needing to create narratives are the deniers who have mountains of scientific evidence from very credible sources stacked against them. That's why they take the only route left to them: Conspiracies.

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North_of_60 on May 11, 2022 at 8:45 pm

No mud will be moved until Mayor&Council have some legal means to blame someone else if anything goes wrong, like someone being hurt or offended by the remedial work. That's what happens when voters elect woke lawyers to be their government.

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YR2 on May 11, 2022 at 8:41 pm

BnR blames Putin - how convenient.

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Jake on May 11, 2022 at 5:03 pm

@ BnR
So whats happening in Ukraine that "puts it in perspective" for you?
The American created war that will net billions for the industrial/military machine there. Or the Media led bull * * * * that lets us watch them write off thousands of lives for profit.
Just wondering?

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BnR on May 11, 2022 at 1:56 pm

For Shame. I could also show you pictures from 50 years ago of guys applying asbestos insulation with cigarettes hanging off their lip. There is an historical context to risk management.
Josey, while there would be a monetary component to any litigation, modern workplace health and safety statutes can hold the employer criminally responsible ie city officials could actually go to jail. I wouldn’t be willing to take that risk and I’m betting neither would anyone at the CofW. Modern times or not, there it is Mitch, pottery class notwithstanding, I’ll wait for TetraTechs report and recommendations as they’re the consultant on sight.
Yes, this is a MAJOR pain in the butt, however, when I’m getting stressed about it, I just think about what’s happening in the Ukraine and everything gets put back into perspective.

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Nathan Living on May 11, 2022 at 1:42 pm

The City has to make the situation safe and it will be costly.
Terracing, removal of material, drainage and stabilization.

There have been many catastrophic slides all over the world. We need to have Mayor Laura outline a plan to reduce the slide risk this year as well as a long term plan that deals with this problem.

Forget the climate change narrative and the liability concern, the concern is not putting a school bus full of children in harms way.

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Atom on May 11, 2022 at 1:02 pm

Oh good god clean that up and move on.
Perhaps by this logic we shut all highways leading to and throughout the Yukon.

Just idle

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Has to be said... on May 11, 2022 at 12:51 pm

@ Yukon61

As I read your one sided observations of climate change I personally can only say you appear to live in a bubble of your own making. You can not, actually the words should be, you refuse to look beyond the perimeter of your bubble. My observation of climate change advocates is that they are border line extremists. That is why you are possibly getting the kick back reactions you get from other people - even I suspect the fence sitters. You come across as very arrogant, which for some reason I find to be the case with a lot of those supporting the climate change cause. You simply will not look at anything but your own narrative. I kinda think you have OCD.

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CJ2 on May 11, 2022 at 12:38 pm

The mayor certainly succeeded in turning the subject to climate change, and away from the issue of competency. Because apparently the latter is unimportant, when the former is on the table.

The road's been closed for going on two weeks? How is that not an issue.
By the way, it shifted 4 cms. How does that compare with previous years' readings? Are there any? Or is that another issue not worth talking about when climate change is out there.

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Mitch Holder on May 11, 2022 at 12:21 pm

@ bNr - You make a good and fair point. In light of that however, I question how they have fixed this in the several past slides in the same area, in all cases, faster than this. Insurance, safety compliance and bureaucracy certainly aren't making the area any safer with suggestions alone. This isn't a rock outcrop folks, this is glaciated clay, this is what wet clay does, the binding plates in the composition are oversaturated, thus the volume has lost its cohesion. Happened to me in lots of pottery workhops, wasn't a climate emergency then, it isn't now. Glad we are safe and damn near bankrupt, aren't you?

Nothing has come down for a week, start clearing the bottom from the south end that is farthest away from the line of potential damage and assess if changes in the slope occur as a consequence. I think in the past, the rationale was, "the sooner we get this cleared, the sooner it will be safe".

I miss that kind of logic, it is absent in today's world. They print, "this plastic bag is not a toy", on everything in bags, but where is the warning on condoms?

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Josey Wales on May 11, 2022 at 10:22 am

BnR...if the COW gets sued for any reason, it IS the people that are getting sued too...primarily actually!
Any financial issues that result from action, inaction, incompetence, malevolence, greenwashing, grooming kids as wee SJWs etc., come from the PEOPLES money.
Not the political blowholes that often, but not always create the issue by any of the above...do not pay out...WE do.
For a participant that suggests ya know a few things, and ya do not process that? Clearly undermines much of your other Voodoo logic.
Cognitive dissonance, have a gander...
Suggests Brain not Running, proper.

The world is full of danger, only fools feel they can insulate themselves from it.

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Groucho d'North on May 11, 2022 at 9:55 am

BnR is 100% correct, the lawyers are now in charge and nothing will happen until they say the risk profile is acceptable.

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For Shame on May 11, 2022 at 9:30 am

To those talking about engineers and liability and on and on and on let me tell you this. My father worked for DPW (precursor to YG hwys) and also Keno Hill when they maintained the North Klondike and then later YTG when it’s highway dept was formed. I have albums full of pictures of those crews doing things like cleaning up slides like this one spring after spring sometimes -gasp- using open air equipment that didn’t even have cabs as a routine matter of course. They didn’t make a big stink about it or even think it was anything out of the ordinary as it was a routine part of spring Yukon road maintenance. 60 years of “Progress” later the desk bound hand wringers with fancy titles can’t even handle a little slide like this.

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iBrian on May 11, 2022 at 6:32 am

Yeah BS, again. Mayor holding the city hostage. Beat the drum about Climate change.
BS on liability, if that we’re the case the Klondike Highway to Skagway would never be cleared, or up by Burwash. How about the Dempster highway too, lots of slide up that way. No “expert” ever gets up to survey. The crews judge and dig.
This is where our society is going. No one wants to work. That’s the root of it, get a spotter and a piece of a equipment and get that job done.

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Yukoner61 on May 10, 2022 at 10:33 pm

@Barry

"You appear to hang your hat on one science - climatology. Quite simply one must look at a number of different sciences before you leap to a conclusion."

Yes, when discussing the climate I rely on climatology. Just as I would rely on marine biology if we were talking about fish. Sure, other branches of scientific study feed into global warming but they don't come close to offering a holistic view of the climate. Only climatologists are attempting to account for all the variables.

" Not ALL climatologists agree, surely you know that, if you don't then you are not reading all the data from all the sources. You are cherry picking what you want to read" - You are right. However, one side vastly outnumbers the other. It would be just as accurate to say "not all structural engineers believe the twin towers on 9/11 were brought down by jets" or "not all astronomers believe we landed on the moon".

I'm fairly well versed on the subject for a layman, so let me prove my point. There are studies backing up what I'm saying from Stanford, Oxford, Harvard, Cambridge, MIT, the University of Tokyo, the Max Planck institute in Germany, Mcgill, Yale, Princeton, NASA, ESA and many others. Can you name one known scientific institution (not individual) that takes your position that everything is natural and global warming isn't something to be worried about? Please don't cite one of the usual denier sources like the former Greenpeace guy or the Weather Channel guy. Or any individual which no scientific organization is willing to back for that matter.

"Well only a short 30 years ago there was a prediction among your buds that we may be heading towards a mini-ice age. Hm, a mini-ice age."

My buds? interesting way of putting it. Anyways, you are likely referring to the Time magazine cover that makes the rounds among climate deniers in the 70s. There was no large consensus on this. There was a small faction who believed this and they even went back on their theory not long after putting it forward. It's sad that conservative think tanks and pundits use this as 'proof' that there is no consensus and that the science is always changing. The truth is that the theory of global warming has been around for over 100 years, only relatively recently has it been proven to be true however. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-15874560?msclkid=ad0cf964d0e811eca6ecd2a9fc8fae62

https://time.com/4778937/fake-time-cover-ice-age/?msclkid=73f99fd1d0e911ecb8015617c86cc1c8

"Pray tell if you are that simplistic in your analysis of how your board was made, which would, and should, include all the aspects of the production therein then you will realize that fossil fuels played a huge role in the making of that product."

You know darn well that's not what he meant and that's not what oil proponents mean when they talk about plastics. Otherwise, they would just as soon cite furniture, dishware, and literally anything else which doesn't need oil to be manufactured. We all know that currently everything is transported by fossil fuels and will remain so until long haul trucks go electric.

"In short the hysteria (as some have pointed out) is only relative to the information sources for which they garnered their opinion" - Yes, that is why I cited many of the world's top scientific institutions earlier in this post. I hope that you look up what they have to say about this issue.

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BnR on May 10, 2022 at 4:00 pm

The problem is that the City is legally responsible for the safety of this roadway.
If they sent their crews in to clear this, or hired a contractor, the fact that a danger exists would put them on the hook if anyone was injured or killed while removing the debris
Ditto for if another slide came down and killed/injured someone after the right of way had been cleared. The City would be held criminally responsible never mind the lawsuits.
Honestly, now that engineers have become involved, no professional in their right mind is going to sign off on the stability of the area until approved remediation has been completed. And you can’t blame them. Again, if someone was injured/killed, and an engineer had said the area was now stable, they'd be sued.
Yeah, this sucks, but I can’t say I blame the City for their reluctance to open the area back up.
It’s easy to yell and scream at the City because the people doing the yelling aren’t the ones who would get sued.

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Barry on May 10, 2022 at 3:00 pm

@ Yukoner61

Well reading your missile to Al & John I too am going to step into the fray.

You appear to hang your hat on one science - climatology. Quite simply one must look at a number of different sciences before you leap to a conclusion. For example two other important sciences that tell us about the past is geology and dendrochronology. I do agree that human interference may have an impact but certainly not to the degree you espouse when it comes to HC. The population levels, ever increasing, is more a cause of disruption to resources then we admit to. So to meet your objectives do we go out and cull 50% of the world's population? Not ALL climatologists agree, surely you know that, if you don't then you are not reading all the data from all the sources. You are cherry picking what you want to read and then you appear to be making an unscientific conclusion, or worse piggy-backing on someone who also may have went down the same rabbit warren as you have. So don't go hanging your hat on one peg.

For me, long before the fad of climatology folk (which is recently a new science), the gathering of data was well underway by many of the other sciences along other historical data. So to say that it is ironical that John & Al only know what they are saying is because of what may be a conclusion that someone is agreeing on based in part on what others found is just a tad condescending. Your argument therefore is flawed and non-comparative. Do I believe the seerest who seem to think that they have a crystal ball or can predict the future for our climate and/or even the weather. Not a chance. Why? Well only a short 30 years ago there was a prediction among your buds that we may be heading towards a mini-ice age. Hm, a mini-ice age. Meteorologists are of the same ilk - albeit different science (if you can call it that). They would be far better off sticking their heads out the window and tell us what the weather is. Example - as I sit banging out this article it is snowing out! Yet the forecast for today was partially sunny with highs of plus 9, it is currently +1. So using your measure of truism I should believe the prediction - I think not, I wasn't born yesterday.

Now let's move on to your keyboard. Pray tell if you are that simplistic in your analysis of how your board was made, which would, and should, include all the aspects of the production therein then you will realize that fossil fuels played a huge role in the making of that product. Next don't over simplify a process in the manner you did - your audience is not as stupid as you may think they are.

In short the hysteria (as some have pointed out) is only relative to the information sources for which they garnered their opinion. Pretty messy is it not?

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Mitch Holder on May 10, 2022 at 12:37 pm

@ yukoner61 - I never realized that archaeologists were climatologists too, who knew? Where did we ever learn about glaciation before the year 2010 Anno Domini? Again, we can criticize inaction without outright denying climate change.

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Oya on May 10, 2022 at 11:42 am

Yesterday afternoon, the RCMP had a vehicle stopped at the top of the 2 mile hill. Traffic was backed up (on 2nd Ave) all the way back to A&W trying to get out of downtown. It took me over half an hour in that line up to get from A&W to the top of the hill.

It certainly caused me to ponder about the state of Whitehorse roads should an emergency like a downtown flood, earthquake, etc., hit us.... especially now with the South Access closed. Scary stuff! Can the CoW please start looking at building bigger and better roads to handle the traffic? Gone are the days of building two lane roads, one lane going each way. Time to start twinning EVERY road we have and when considering new roads (if that ever becomes a thing), think 20 years into the future taking into consideration our exploding population when designing them. The time is now - oops, that's wrong. The time is past!!! We need more roads!!!

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An Equipment Operator on May 10, 2022 at 5:00 am

Will someone who isn’t scared of their own shadow please take a front end loader down there and open the road up again. This is getting beyond ridiculous, hell I’ll volunteer to do it if someone has a loader I can use.

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North_of_60 on May 9, 2022 at 10:10 pm

Most of these Climate Change aficionados are too young to understand that climate changes are cyclic and natural. Every forty years or so the climate slowly shifts from a warming cycle to a cooling cycle.
None of the weather we're experiencing is unusual historically.
This short video explains how the cycles come and go.
https://youtu.be/lZw4DdocxN0

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Yukoner61 on May 9, 2022 at 9:47 pm

@John and Al

It's beyond ironic that you both say the climate has been changing for millenia or "as long as the earth has been around". Because the only reason you guys know the climate has gone through cycles in the past is because of the work of climatologists. The same climatologists who are telling you that what is happening now is not natural and would not be happening without human interference. So you believe them when they talk about the past, but when they talk about the present and future, you say its BS. Think about that for a second.

Also John, you don't seem to grasp the issue since you are saying that oil which is used in plastics and other materials is part of the problem. Oil which is used for such purposes is not burned and so its carbon remains locked up and not in the atmosphere. No sane person is trying to ban oil used to make all sorts of products. We as a society are trying to move away from using it as a fuel, ie burning it and sending its emissions into the atmosphere. So no, my plastic keyboard is not part of the problem.

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bingo on May 9, 2022 at 9:45 pm

Took 20 mins to get from Yukon Honda this evening. Saw two cop cars lights and sirens trying to get through. What the heck is going on? Perhaps police response is not an issue with the City but perhaps all those vehicles idling away could be the tipping point...remember COW your climate change obligations!

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Roids51 on May 9, 2022 at 6:58 pm

Too hot, Climate Change! Too wet, Climate Change! Too windy, Climate Change! Too cold, Climate Change! Too dry, Climate Change! Too anything, Climate Change! ......... give me a break!

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You people are… on May 9, 2022 at 5:16 pm

The Federal Government report from 1959 discussed below also states that there should be proper drainage taking any ground water away from the escarpment area. Was the record snow fall cleared away from the escarpment’s edge? It’s not like they didn’t know, it’s not like they were not warned.

But, the real problem is people wanting to build homes and businesses on the flood plains… Because waterfront access and views… The real problem is the absolute failure of people; city planners, engineers, government types etc. A failure to consider that weather and climate varies naturally, as it has for billions of years. The arrogance of expertise is that it suggests that everything was fine prior to the written record - An absolutely stupid point of view, a phenomenally stupid point of view.

Stop blaming climate change you losers! It’s our failure to coexist with the natural world that has created this mess… Changing landscapes and geography with human activity. I am not talking about fossil fuels or some other contemporary climate change hoax trope. The distinction is nuanced and requires some thought that most of our leaders are unable to do. Not because of their intelligence but rather in spite of it. Politics is the debasement of the human intellect. The participant must relinquish their self control for the benefit of all
the screaming hordes in their little psychological conclaves of me-me-me…

This has taken us away from the rationalism of any sort of centre into cacophony of the “I” which is the entirety of the problem with modern politics. When we organize society around atomistic truth claims the ability to see the truth is distorted, twisted, and broken and we end up at the lowest common denominator in the war of all against all.

Put down your arms and think! Take a breath and reframe your narrative as inclusive of something larger than yourself - A greater good. Don’t be a handwringing politician going, oh my what can we do? These people are not the brain-trust you have proclaimed them to be. They are intellectually impotent because of their need to remain in your favour - Stop it! They should be functionary at most.

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Al on May 9, 2022 at 1:26 pm

@ Yukoner61

All these events you go on about are not new types of catastrophes. They have been going on for as long as the earth has been around. I suppose you want to blame the 58 fire on CC. There is no conspiracy just a bunch of hog wash by CC types. Yes the climate is changing, and yes the weather is the pits sometimes. I have spent the majority of my life dealing in disasters on the front line. It is the world we live in, short and simple.

You hear more about these things these days because the media are like piranha, the love to bottom feed on events. News sells. Most CC'ers suck this stuff right up and say "see I told you so" - it was on the news, so it has to be true. I also suspect that people of your ilk also support carbon tax - not realizing that it is driving people into poorer straights.

I just wish you folk would really realize that you are being fed hog wash.

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Mitch Holder on May 9, 2022 at 10:56 am

I noticed a commenter made a good point. We can criticize the uselessness of the government and conclude more logical circumstances than climate change as the cause, WITHOUT DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN ISSUE.

Let me ask you this, what causes climate change and why are we not focusing on that? Pollution is tangible, thus requiring much greater clarity from government bodies in regards to proposed mitigation. Climate change is intangible and thus can only be solved by taxing the people that were forced by the market to fuel their lives with damaging systems and fuels that they are now taxed on. Let me point out what is wrong with that.
In Europe, they have had corporate packaging tax for years. The more packaging, the more tax THE COPORATION PAYS. Try and find a bag in a box of cereal over there, you will be hard pressed. This was done to curtail corporate behaviour, as it drives consumer behaviour through advertising and subsidization.

It is not that we deny climate change, that is caused by pollution, It is that we categorically deny that this government can or will ever do anything effective to reduce it. THE PROOF IS ION THE TAXATION WE HAVE ALREADY PAID NOT SOLVING ANY PROBLEMS TO DATE. For example, Alberta beef could have been discounted to feed Canadians, as could have PEI potatoes. 100 mile diet is good for the climate. This was not even considered to my knowledge.

Every government level in the territory should be audited and corporate downsized to combat inflation. Can't save the world or even your town when you are freezing to death and starving or dying of government supplied mental health endemics wrought of willful ineptitude.

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Lawrence Bredy on May 9, 2022 at 8:51 am

FFS...get the material moved and the traffic moving again. If more comes down, then move that too.

Half of southern BC was washed away and somehow they have their roads open.

GET AFTER IT ALREADY

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Yukoner61 on May 8, 2022 at 10:52 pm

@Bill Oh and further to my last post, there was a landslide in Seward Alaska yesterday that cut off a road as well. I guess that must be the result of snow dumps and an airport like what obviously happened here right?

You can keep telling yourself that the timing of all of this is a pure coincidence, but any rational person will start to question what the heck is going on and likely realize that a global phenomenon is at play. And it is going to get very expensive, very fast.

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John on May 8, 2022 at 10:06 pm

@ Yukoner61

You do realize that over millennia the weather and climate has been, and will continue evolving. It goes in cycles. Some in short bursts others over longer stretches in time. While you may subscribe to the band wagon theorists that the sky is falling down, I don't. Your science notations only prove that you read selective information from one side. When you do that, of course you will come to only one conclusion. I suggest you read opposing views by other well known and respected scientist.

The hysteria today is simply that, hysteria. Cooked up in part by those wanting to cash in for larger profits. If you believe for one moment that we can survive with out fossil fuels or coal then I suggest you need to make sure you can do without everything that these products that touch you each and every day, which includes the keyboard you are using to bang out your propaganda and accusations of "deniers" because they don't join your cause.

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Yukoner61 on May 8, 2022 at 9:01 pm

@Bill

Ok, climate change is a big conspiracy. So can you tell me the real reason for all of the extreme weather events around the globe including the ones I mentioned in North America? Or is it all just a big coincidence that this stuff is all happening within roughly the same period?

"If current trends continue the world will go from around 400 disasters per year in 2015 to an onslaught of about 560 catastrophes a year by 2030, the scientific report by the United Nations Office for Disaster Risk Reduction said. By comparison from 1970 to 2000, the world suffered just 90 to 100 medium to large scale disasters a year, the report said."
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2022/04/26/news/un-climate-disasters

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Roy on May 8, 2022 at 8:49 pm

@Vinny

extra special credit for you - for making a post suggesting climate change doesn't exist - and then admitting a bunch of examples of....wait for it...climate change.

Bravo. I've not seen someone self own that bad in a long time.

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Liberal Policy by Seance on May 8, 2022 at 5:24 pm

An excerpt from the:

NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL CANADA DIVISION OF BUILDING RESEARCH - WHITEHORSE ESCARPMENT (Prepared for the Advisory Comnittee on Northern Development, Department of Northern Affairs and National Resources)
by: R.F. Legget and G.H. Johnston
Report No. 136 of the
Division of BUilding Research
Ottawa June 1959

“The first attention given to the escarpment damage was not until after the war but nothing was done until very serious sloughing of the face with consequent damage to roads and buildings in Whitehorse, and even to its graveyard, occurred in the spring of 1953.

The damage in 1953 was so serious that a number of special studies were made shortly after that time on behalf of the various Federal Government departments which by this time had an interest in the Whitehorse airport.”

No expert and no person with a reasonably formed conscience would have picked that spot for an airport. Just because nothing catastrophic has happened since that time is not evidence of the correctness of a decision.

However, it was a Liberal Government who were in power at the time. McKenzie King (2nd term PM) was known to consult with his dead mother through seances for political advice during his reign. But also, the prevailing wisdom on climate change at the time based on the evidence that was collected by alleged climate scientists was that the earth was cooling its way to an ice age. Fast forward a few more decades and the climatologists were calling for extreme heating of the earth. The next shift in climate change propaganda heralded catastrophic, extreme weather events with no particular shift towards cold or heat… Just extremes in weather… It’s all too confusing.

Anyway, there have been way ‘worser’ clay cliff slide events in Whitehorse and the Yukon but people do not ordinarily build on land that has been historically referred to as “undulating” in geological survey reports.

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Bill on May 8, 2022 at 12:21 pm

@ Yukoner61

As soon as someone says anything to the contrary regarding "the highly brilliant Climate Change enthusiasts (those are the brain washed) people are labelled as "deniers". Well you know the knife cuts both ways. I would say most of the CC type "over state" everything to one conclusion.

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Vlad on May 8, 2022 at 9:38 am

This situation was caused 100% by Climate Change….Laura Cabot CBC correspondent reporting from Whitehorse…

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Vern Schlimbesser on May 8, 2022 at 12:49 am

@ Josey
Geeez, don't mention closing the airport unless you want another boon-doogle!

Just this fall YTG has just budgeted several million dollars to build a new Maintenance Shop in between the runway and the edge of the cliffs (I think they wanted a nice view.). Those of us been here a while recall the old hangers and tower over there, until they closed them, partly because the hanger burned and partly because the ground was unstable (my memory is a bit hazy here).

Mostyn also approved spending several more million to extend runway 14L/32R so he could go back and fix the main runway which he didn't get repaired properly a few years ago. This extension will involve heavy equipment including packers and be, drum roll.... within a few hundred feet of this slide.
It's not that this work isn't needed, it's that they start with political perceptions, they hiring outside expertise who have their own learning curve, and then interfering to direct it all and buy the biggest most expensive monuments they can think up. (Did I switch to the new City of Whitehorse immense new "Operations Center....no that's hundreds of meters North, along the same cliffs).

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Yukoner61 on May 7, 2022 at 9:57 pm

All of the climate change deniers in this comment section are a good example of why we will likely fail at bringing this global threat under control.

If this landslide occurred on its own without all of the other extreme phenomenon occurring, you guys might have a point. But how long can you keep attributing everything to just normal weather and occurrences? At some point, you must start to admit that something larger seems to be at play here. Consider that we have melting permafrost playing havoc with roads and buildings across the territory, roofs collapsing under the weight of snow, record floods last year, apparently the possibility of flooding AGAIN this year and that's just here. Now think about the record breaking fires in BC last year and the floods there, the current flooding in Manitoba, the record fire burning in New Mexico currently, the year after year of record breaking fires in California, a current record breaking drought which is endangering water supplies, etc.

This is only a small smattering of climate events and only from North America. Look into what is happening around the world and at the ice caps. Here are a few links to back up what I'm saying, not that you guys are interested in such things.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-61367797

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/07/us/california-water-shasta-oroville-climate/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/07/weather/antarctica-ice-sheet-climate-ecosystem/index.html

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-wildfires-creek-fire-disaster-burning-evacuation-smoke-fire-weather?msclkid=f1387823ce8a11ecaa62d1af4d3d1578

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ABridge2Far on May 7, 2022 at 9:45 pm

I wonder what would happen if the Riverdale Bridge got washed out?

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Douglas Martens on May 7, 2022 at 9:38 pm

Maybe just leave the whole shebang where it karwhoomphed and let the coming flood take it all out along with a few other mementos in a month. Could help save 50 mil in consulting fees anyway.

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Yukoner ‘71 on May 7, 2022 at 3:03 pm

20 odd years back I remember a somewhat similar situation in rural Yukon and a bunch of government types standing around scratching their heads. Some miners with equipment came through and within an hour had that particular situation dealt with and everyone carried on with their lives. The government paralysis has only gotten worse since then.

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Nathan Living on May 7, 2022 at 1:38 pm

I agree that it's not climate change which many brilliant people have pointed out.

Our mayor will likely come up with a lame excuse about the area having dried up thus posing a reduced threat justifying reopening both the road and trail.

Someone I know said the Millennium Trail in the area should open up to ATVs which can accelerate and avoid slides that may sweep away slow moving moms pushing strollers. I do not think this is sound thinking but mayor and council thinks this ATV group is the highest priority for city planning.

There will be pressure of course from young people driving big black pickup trucks to reopen the road immediately and the voice of the silent majority will likely be lost to the aggressive driving types.

If we want safety and a precautionary approach we may have to appear before Queen Laura and our royal civic council. Council has gender and ethic group groups well represented and even a few older males with the wisdom which comes with age and experience.

I do not expect much from council actually, sorry to say this. If someone had died in the slide it would have been tragic but an opportunity for Queen Laura to declare a day or week of remembrance and a city initiative to promote safety.

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Josey Wales on May 7, 2022 at 9:26 am

Analysis Paralysis...
“ I am from the government, I am here to help”
As a layperson that watches what is going on, there are too many stupid people in alleged charge, with real influence.

Everywhere there is a bowl of liberals, there is always a big mess.
A wee bit of dirt paralyzed our civic blowholes.
Maybe time to flush that bowl, nah way past time to flush.

Surprised they did not close the airport, given the RIDICULOUS over reaction by the civic wizards.
Currently snowing out, are we going to be issued a stay at home order next...cuz danger?

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Wilf Carter on May 7, 2022 at 7:31 am

Climate change had nothing to do with it. Most of it is natural erosion over time and it is normal. We need to militate the situation.

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Vinny on May 6, 2022 at 8:17 pm

Climate change caused? Give me a break, we have had 3 long cold winters followed by the coolest summers in decades. When is the last time it hit in the 30s? it used to be common here in the summer. If anything we are starting into another ice age!

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Jake on May 6, 2022 at 8:11 pm

Watch this:
They are going to recommend we drive in a dozen or two 50 foot long horizontal plastic drain pipes, contour it a bit, make a few drain channels, maybe cover it with a membrane to keep surface water from seeping in, install some reference points for monitoring, put a low barrier at the bottom....and there you go. (This was my thesis at Uni but it is almost identical, you can have it for free, maybe I can save us a quarter million in consulting engineering?)

Just for the record, this wasn't caused by airport snow removal. There is a bunch more ready to come down for sure ( I walked it all last fall and photographed it because of the slump to the South last year). Future removal of material along the base won't stop anything, might even make it worse. Vegetation will definitely make it worse.
All this is one guys view, but based on training and experience.

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Matthew on May 6, 2022 at 7:07 pm

Get.. it.. cleaned! So in the past 100 years of Whitehorse History, how many landslides have been there...? I can bet if there were any, they were cleaned up right away! Somehow, humans are being born a LOT weaker, in many ways..

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bonanzajoe on May 6, 2022 at 6:51 pm

"Climate change" was responsible for JT getting elected as PM and Silver Premier. In fact the whole Liberal party all over Canada has been the result of Climate change. Climate being a synonym of liberal.

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Nathan Living on May 6, 2022 at 5:44 pm

It's time for the City to reduce the slope and proximity of the clay cliff along the Robert Service Way and near residential properties downtown.

The management of water drainage in the area may be part of the solution.
This will be expensive however it's required for our safety.

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Rick S on May 6, 2022 at 5:34 pm

Erosion is a phenomenon that only started with man made climate change, say experts.

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Olav on May 6, 2022 at 5:27 pm

All of the airport snow goes to the south end of the area, pretty much right above the affected slide area.
And what about the snow dump area by 2 mile hill, right below the firehall.
It is only a matter of time before that volume of melt water affects the stability of the slope in that area.

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Moose101 on May 6, 2022 at 5:16 pm

Good thing the city doesn’t take care of avalanches on Klondike highway - it would be closed all winter with their attitude.

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Mitch Holder on May 6, 2022 at 4:36 pm

I'm with John here, I want my money back. Might just refuse to pay property tax this year, the snowbanks in my yard are causing climate emergencies.

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John on May 6, 2022 at 3:51 pm

Our mayor says "As a lay person who watches what’s going on in the world, she said, she would say climate change was a factor." BS !! Bloody CC had nothing to do with it, plain and simple. You chicken little's need to get yourselves grounded. Just stop with everything that happens in the world being attributed to CC. It was stupidity that caused this slide by dumping snow in that area - plain and simple. CC what next !!!!

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Mitch Holder on May 6, 2022 at 3:49 pm

Fish have been adapting to landslides for millions of years. When is aquatic victims of ecocide day and what flower are we using?

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