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EMOTIONAL PRESENTATION – Victor Kisoun addresses the Truth and Reconciliation Commission hearings last Thursday in Whitehorse.

‘It ripped apart the cultural fabric of our society'

Between 1940 and 1975, thousands of children from B.C. and Yukon First Nations were sent to the province's Lower Post Indian Residential School.

By Justine Davidson on May 30, 2011

Between 1940 and 1975, thousands of children from B.C. and Yukon First Nations were sent to the province's Lower Post Indian Residential School.

There, they were subjected to a government policy of removing the Indian from the child (to paraphrase a now infamous quote of a long-forgotten minister) enacted by the Roman Catholic Church.

There, children as young as four or five were beaten and raped, stripped of their language, culture and self-esteem.

They were given numbers instead of names and they were forbidden to communicate with family members housed in the same building.

As Victor Kisoun, a son of a Lower Post school survivor and a resident of the tiny First Nation town, said last Thursday at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission hearings in Whitehorse: "Lower Post residential school hit the First Nations like a tsunami.

"It ripped apart the cultural fabric of our society. It devastated us, and we are still dealing with the aftermath today.

"It caused social, physical, spiritual and mental devastation which still plagues us today and which has perpetuated our victim mentality.

"These effects continue to be seen in our community today in the form of high rates of premature deaths due to suicide, alcohol-related accidents and illnesses; sexual, physical and mental abuse; substance abuse; hopelessness; depression; loss of culture and identity; loss of parenting skills and family and community dysfunction.”

Speaking on behalf of his Kaska Dene Council and as a member of the Lower Post survivors working group, Kisoun called on the commission to hold a special event in Lower Post, where elements of the old school still stand.

"It is a constant reminder of the trauma and abuse that was experienced by many of our people who will not enter the building or our community because of the pain and memories that are associated with the school,” Kisoun said.

"... We need to confront the dark ghosts of our past and hold the event on the site where these atrocities were committed upon our people because not only do we need to heal ourselves, but we need to heal the land.”

Kisoun echoed the words of many of the former students who spoke during the two-day event held in Whitehorse last week. He said forgiveness can come from the survivors and their families, but it must be asked for by the people who victimized them.

"There is much to be learned from the South African reconciliation experience,” he said, "where the victims sat with the perpetrators so that the perpetrators could attest to their crimes and apologize to their victims taking ownership for their violations.

"Only the victims can truly forgive the perpetrator and release them from their guilt .... The Canadian reconciliation will not be the same as the South African experience, but we can learn from the process that (former South African president Nelson) Mandela and his people went through.”

He said many people from Lower Post and the Kaska Dene Nation did not attend hearings in Whitehorse and Watson Lake because they feel the government which made the policy and the church which enacted it have a responsibility to come to them and makes amends.

"We believe that the Truth and Reconciliation Commission has an opportunity to make a major contribution to the healing of our people communities and nations,” Kisoun said. "To achieve that, the commission must listen to us and respect our wishes.

"We want to be understood with respect to what we feel we need for healing and reconciliation.

"... We firmly believe that the only true reconciliation of the damage that was done at the Lower Post residential school can only be happen at Lower Post, the site of the cultural genocide inflicted upon our people.”

See more coverage on the Whitehorse and Dawson City hearings later this week.

Comments (18)

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Susan Roothman on Jun 2, 2011 at 6:38 am

There should have been more white faces to witness the trauma of the survivors of the systemic violence and abuse of the residential school onslaught on the culture and humanity of the First Peoples of Canada during the recent Truth and Reconciliation Commission hearings in Whitehorse; then there would have been less or hopefully no comments here so shockingly devoid of any empathy.

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Garcia's middle finger on Jun 2, 2011 at 4:33 am

I for one have faith First Nations culture will prevail. Jazz music is but one example of fruits of an oppressed culture rising above racist tormentors. Predominantly evolved by Afro-Americans, a unique synthesis derived between African tribal and European classical influences. Subjectively speaking, one of the greatest and most intricate art forms to emerge from human existence.

Why are many FN's peoples' relocating to cities? Quite possibly for many of the same reasons millions of Europeans have relocated throughout this planet, some of which are now living in Yukon wilderness. To suggest individuals from any one culture should be denied choice of experiential opportunity is absurd.

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Philip on Jun 1, 2011 at 10:37 am

Alexandra,

Please don't compare our sufferings to those of other people's? Are you for real? Did you read the story? That's exactly what the guy in this article did by bringing south Africa and apartheid into it in the first place so if he's going to go there then definitely let's compare.

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M on Jun 1, 2011 at 7:34 am

I want to thank Victor Kisoun for sharing his story. There is no excuse for the way people were treated in the past and there is no excuse for continuing to perpetuate the negativity. I agree that it is important to get rid of the remnants of the residential school in Lower Post (now First Nation offices) and enable the community to rebuild. Some of the comments here are really tiresome and disappointing. Why don't we try to find a way forward and accept that First Nations people have a right to be frustrated and deserve an opportunity to genuinely confront and reconcile the atrocities of the past in a way that means something, whether a survivor or the next generation. If we listened it might actually make a difference in peoples lives and lead to a better future for our communities.

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River Rat on Jun 1, 2011 at 4:48 am

Hey JC,

There are professionals that can help you. You should seriously consider it.

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Alexandra on Jun 1, 2011 at 2:07 am

Genocide - "Committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Philip genocide does apply to what happened to our peoples' and Victor is saying that we can learn from each other.

Please don't compare our sufferings to other peoples'

What, is there a contest?

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yukonpete on May 31, 2011 at 2:16 pm

What was done in the past was wrong. And I am sure we will be reminded, re-reminded and paying, repaying compensation for decades to come. But when will the first nations start to take responsibility for there own lives. No matter what the problem is they always point the finger at everyone else and hold out the other hand!

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André Roothman on May 31, 2011 at 10:35 am

As you say Philip, they did not round them up into mass graves or used machetes. They only RAPED them! The Nationalist in Apartheid South Africa also had good intentions, separate development. Black people did not need to be taught mathematics and science in school for the jobs that they were deemed suitable to perform. They were forced to learn Afrikaans and be taught in Afrikaans and English, because their own languages were considered inferior. Was it not for the numbers, those languages would not have survived, as happened here. Misguided? Are you saying that the teachers and or priests were misguided and that is why the rapes occurred?

Thomas Brewer, a few bucks and all is OK, especially if those bucks end up in the pockets of the Yukon Government via the liquor stores?

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JC on May 31, 2011 at 8:59 am

Kaska girl: Were you there?

Andr'e Roothman: The Residential schools were not "apartheid" nor close to it. And if South Africa is so much better than Canada, I'm sure they would welcome you there. Why live in Canada?

River Rat: The native children were not treated any different than the whites. Trust me, I was there. I am not denying anything, just saying that I don't believe most of the FN people who are making up a lot of this nonesense. But I do know, money plays a lot into it. And now that the FN has got their land settlements, why are they not going back to their traditional type of living, and learning their traditional language? There are more FN from all the FN communities living in the big city Whitehorse than in their own communities and more coming all the time. I wonder why.

James: I really find that tale a bit hard to believe. I said in my first comment that I was in the school in the early 40s. Is that early enough for you.

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Karyn Atlin on May 31, 2011 at 5:01 am

I feel much empathy with residential school survivors, their spouses and children. ALL of these people suffered. I cannot believe however that abuse of any kind was "misguided" I do believe that people can be in denial about what has been done in the names of churches or the government. Please realize that while people still hold the damages within them that we will all pay the price for it, socially, mentally, criminally and economically.

And as James says believe it! I too have been told of the experiences.

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YukonMax on May 31, 2011 at 4:52 am

Okay! Well, how much will this cost?

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James on May 31, 2011 at 2:43 am

I personally know one man who had his tongue cut out by a teacher because he kept speaking his language to older new students who were confused and didn't know any English. I also know another man who was beaten unconscious with a broom handle for speaking his language so that he still has scars and joint damage in his legs forty years later, and the man who did so was the headmaster of his school. And I know a third who was beaten in the head with a rifle butt by a teacher because he refused to stop using his language while out playing with other kids; he still has an obvious dent on the side of his head where the fracture healed poorly, and he has suffered headaches and nausea all his life since. These boys were told that their language was a tool of Satan and if they didn't stop using it then the staff would beat it out of them like animals. I don't know about any rapes, but the physical punishment endured at those schools was horrific and disgusting.

JC, maybe you got lucky, and maybe it was because you attended at the tail end of things when the staff were much better behaved. But don't try to whitewash the history just because you had a pleasant experience. The facts are all there and very well documented, people were terribly abused at those schools, and the staff were either inhuman monsters participating in it or culpable for standing by and doing nothing.

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Riverat on May 31, 2011 at 12:07 am

So JC since you are so smart and know it all tell me.

How do you think First Nation children lived before residential schools? First Nations lived in this country for generations before the schools and thrived.

Don't you suppose that just maybe they were treated a little different than you because in the eyes of the authorities at the school the First Nations children were different?

How can you deny what happened, what has been well documented?

How can you be so insensitive?

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Philip on May 30, 2011 at 2:59 pm

I think to even compare the north with south Africa is a insult to south Africa. I have heard the word genocide tossed around by people who have no idea of it's true meaning,it just sounds cool to say it. People weren't murdered en mass up here like has happened in some African countries or during the holocaust. No matter how ill conceived it was or how much damage it caused the people of the RC church at the time were trying to do what they thought was helping. They weren't sticking guns to the backs of people's heads by the hundreds and burying them in mass graves.They weren't cutting pregnant women open with machetes to kill their babies. The police here never pulled into a community by the dozens and started shooting indiscriminately into the crowd trying to kill as many as possible.

Maybe we better be thankful that it wasn't Adolf Hitler, Idi Amin, Ghengis Khan or the Roman Legions that ended up in the Yukon.

There was damage done here, but it was done out of misguidedness.

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André Roothman on May 30, 2011 at 2:55 pm

JC's comment reminds me of the mentality of certain White people in South Africa who still believe that there was nothing wrong with Apartheid and that it was for the best of the indigenous population. On that note, the legacy of Apartheid was no worse than which happened in Cananda with residential schools. At least in South Africa they did not take children away from their parents against their will.Victor Kisoun is spot on when he says that Canadians can learn from the Truth and Reconciliation process in South Africa. In order to achieve reconciliation, the perpetrators of this cultural genocide and their children need to face the truth. Just as the current generation of Germans have to face the truth about the autrocities of the Nazi's and I have to face what my ancestors did in South Africa. What the policy of residential schools had in common with Apartheid and the Nazi regime is the theory that another cultural group was inferior to another. That theory is still well and alive in Canada and in the Yukon.

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KaskaGirl on May 30, 2011 at 2:46 pm

The cases of R v. Maczynsk, in which Jerzy Maczynski, a former teacher at the Lower Post Indian Residential School who was convicted in 1995 of 28 counts of sexual abuse of various forms on young boys and sentenced to sixteen years.

R v. Garand, in which another former teacher at the school was convicted in the early 1990s of similar offences.

The cases represent only a portion of the the abuses suffered by the men and women of our community and resulted in inter-generational effects.

SO YES PPL WERE ABUSED AT THE SCHOOL JC

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Thomas Brewer on May 30, 2011 at 11:39 am

OMG I am so sick of hearing about this...

They've been paid off, apologized to, and provided a plethora of services.

Get over it, look to the future, leave the past in the past.

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JC on May 30, 2011 at 8:39 am

"Beaten and raped"? I found that hard to believe. As I said before, I spent 3 years in a Catholic residential school in the early 40s/at least 50% were native. I remember when some arrived, they were full of sores and bruises.

I and my 6 siblings were not abused in any way. I have since thanked some of the staff that ran that place. If they are looking for healing, try forgiving and maybe a little thank you for the roof, food, clothing and security the RC church provided. If compensation is to be given at all, it should be given to those who were really abused.

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