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IRATE AND GONE – ‘Fire me if you want to,’ Coun. Dave Stockdale, seen at a meeting earlier this month, said Monday evening as he abruptly left that city council meeting.
Photo by Whitehorse Star
IRATE AND GONE – ‘Fire me if you want to,’ Coun. Dave Stockdale, seen at a meeting earlier this month, said Monday evening as he abruptly left that city council meeting.
A 3-3 tie vote by Whitehorse city council means zoning changes will not be going ahead that would have allowed for the first phase of an outdoor sports complex in Whistle Bend.
A 3-3 tie vote by Whitehorse city council means zoning changes will not be going ahead that would have allowed for the first phase of an outdoor sports complex in Whistle Bend.
Monday evening’s vote was followed by an emotional outburst from Coun. Dave Stockdale.
The 32-year councillor then stormed out of the meeting in response to deputy mayor Mike Gladish threatening to have him removed.
Council discussion on the rezoning began after Mike Gau, the city’s director of development services, brought forward a proposal that the space proposed for the outdoor sports complex be reduced to a four-hectare area that would accommodate the first phase of the facility with another 2.2 hectares that had been identified for the site zoned as future planning.
The Yukon government proposed building the estimated $8-million facility that would be operated by the Yukon Outdoor Sports Complex Association.
The first phase would include two soccer pitches and a running track built to international competition standards along with bleachers, lighting and parking.
As Gau explained, the proposal to decrease the area for only the first phase of the complex came out of concerns expressed previously by council about the overall plans for the project.
“This would limit the boundary for any potential development,” he said.
The government had indicated a willingness to go with the phase one option over another possibility that would have seen just one soccer field and a track built, he pointed out.
Gau noted government officials had said the one field option would have higher development costs and put the project in jeopardy.
The area set aside for future planning could be used – following zoning changes – as a site for further phases of the complex, which may include other sports such as tennis.
After considerable discussion of council, members ultimately voted 4-2 in favour of the amendment for the new zoning boundaries.
Councillors Betty Irwin and Gladish voted against the amendment.
Irwin said she just didn’t have faith that the facility operations wouldn’t eventually be downloaded to the city, despite assertions from the government that it would be responsible for any shortfalls in operations if the complex association can’t make a go of it.
She also stated she has a problem with so much money essentially being spent on one sport.
As Irwin made her comments, three supporters of the facility could be heard in the gallery whispering to one another that soccer wouldn’t be the only sport to benefit.
“They don’t listen,” one supporter quietly commented, shaking her head at times throughout the discussion or nodding her head in agreement with others.
Indeed, as Stockdale pointed out in countering Irwin’s points, the first phase of the facility would not only include soccer fields for one sport, but also the track facility for athletics.
Gladish, meanwhile, expressed concern over the rush on the project, pointing out that a track is being built next to the new F.H. Collins Secondary School.
While it is not being built to international competition standards, he wondered whether Whitehorse needs facilities built to those standards.
The community doesn’t need a large outdoor sports complex to be an outdoor sporting community, Gladish said. He cited many sports residents can take part in virtually outside their doors, including paddling and cycling, among others.
He also took issue with the possible operations of the complex, wondering how it could operate without office space for staff to work out of.
“I understand the reality of running a facility,” he said in citing the need for offices, drawing on his experience as the manager of the Whitehorse Cross Country Ski Club.
Other council members defended voting in favour of the change.
They noted the government’s willingness to compromise with the new zoning boundaries as well as the opportunity the new facility would offer for both athletes and in freeing up some outdoor fields for some much-needed work.
Many soccer players who have defended the proposal argue the 14 outdoor soccer pitches are in terrible shape, with gopher holes, dog feces and garbage often found on them from a variety of users.
In a prepared speech, Stockdale recalled the history of soccer in the city going back to the 1960s, stating: “Now is the time to build the complex.”
In the long run, it would be a great addition to the city, the councillor said.
He also argued that while he didn’t like the territory’s initial approach on the project, if the zoning didn’t go ahead, it would be a missed opportunity for recreational facilities in the community.
Mayor Dan Curtis, who was attending the meeting by conference call, said he’s grateful to the government for compromising on the size of the space.
He also cited concerns the city could be faced with operational impacts if things didn’t go as planned despite assurances to the contrary from the territory.
Curtis said he’d like to assume future councils wouldn’t be left holding the bag.
The mayor voted in favour of the new zoning boundary change for the project.
When it came time to vote on second reading of the main motion, which included the new boundaries, Curtis voted against it, along with Irwin and Gladish.
That made it a 3-3 vote. Any tie vote of council is automatically defeated.
Seven members are elected to council, which typically helps prevent tie votes if all members are present.
However, former councillor Kirk Cameron recently resigned over the firings of two long-time city staffers, thus shrinking council to six members and increasing the possibility of tie votes.
With that defeat, Stockdale was quick to question Curtis, though there is not to be discussion after a vote.
“Your worship, you voted for the amendment. Why didn’t you vote for the amended motion?” Stockdale asked as Gladish, who was chairing the meeting, tried to tell him there was no discussion.
An irate Stockdale then declared he “didn’t give a sh--”.
“Fire me if you want to,” he said, arguing a sergeant-at-arms could walk him out of council chambers. “I’ve never seen such a farce in my life.”
While Gladish first warned Stockdale and then asked administration that the councillor be removed, Stockdale left the meeting on his own accord.
This morning, Stockdale told the Star he had nothing to add to his comments of last night.
Supporters of the complex declined comment outside council chambers following the vote.
See story on government’s reaction below.
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Comments (41)
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Guillermo on Oct 15, 2015 at 4:39 pm
I can totally understand people's apprehensiveness regarding an expensive complex, but please, Give Dave a break. He's a deeply passionate guy and cares a lot about both Whitehorse and the sport of soccer. He lost his cool, but who among us haven't? For those of us in the soccer community, we all know what he gave to us. He refereed me for as long as I can remember as a kid, and I always remember him as being blunt but fair. He understands that this is a good thing for the community, even if it is a large investment up front. For those who think we can just use the fields we have, you fail to understand the impact of permafrost. It's simply impossible to keep fields in good condition up here, and while it might be more expensive up front, at least an indoor turf complex would require substantially less in terms of maintenance. Sure, there are operating costs, but turf is relatively easy to maintain.
Not saying we should do it or not, just saying there are things that some people might not be aware of.
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We don't need another sports palace on May 4, 2015 at 5:35 pm
"I would rather see my tax dollars (federal, territorial, and municipal) go into a sports complex that is used by multiple groups with seating available for spectators than to warehouse young offenders who grow into adults who also may wind up warehoused in our other tax-paid-for complex."
It's not like we have a choice to make. The criminal's college is already built.
Another sports palace will only raise the taxes for those who will never use it.
The taxpayers of Canada might pay for building it, but the taxpayers of Whitehorse will have to pay for ongoing maintenance and upkeep.
We have much more important things to spend tax dollars on, like fixing roads and responsibly managing our garbage. We don't need another sports palace for a few elites.
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Well written piece concerned tax payer on May 4, 2015 at 5:12 pm
I have built some of these complexes before and widening the use is a good idea like the Canadian games center. We need more comments like this that are positive, constructive and forward thinking.
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concerned tax paying citizen on May 4, 2015 at 4:13 pm
I would rather see my tax dollars (federal, territorial, and municipal) go into a sports complex that is used by multiple groups with seating available for spectators than to warehouse young offenders who grow into adults who also may wind up warehoused in our other tax-paid-for complex. The greater good is promoting community and good health for everyone, including watching and supporting the events at the sports complex, to have local pride in our athletes and our facilities.
I'm pretty sure that just because YSA is speaking to this that doesn't mean it will be just soccer players out there. The Golden Age Society could use it for training for the Senior Games, Special Olympics could train there, track and field, Para-Olympics, open your mind people please for the sake of the entire community. The track and the field would be ready for use as early as March or mid-April at the latest and the athletes could be on it until October it is not a 3 month behemoth as somebody mentioned.
There could be more tournaments organized for the Yukon to host which would bring in revenue instead of taking it outside the Yukon. I have travelled to many tournaments and have spent 1000's on hotel rooms, food, clothing and transportation. Even on small tournaments. We could start by hosting a couple of Alaska teams or BC. Hockey is successful with this because they have a venue. Same with swimming and skiing. Mike Gladish voted against the rezoning but I remember a time when he was before City Council asking for money for Mt. Mac and the ski club so I really think his opinion is hypocritical. Yukon Strikers for the record do pay 600-700 a year now, not including the cost of travel which most fundraise for. All sporting groups and their volunteers put an incredible amount of time and energy into their sport and without community support it seems insulting/embarassing to even travel out and say you represent the Yukon and explain the deplorable training conditions we have.
The suggestions regarding fix up the existing fields. That has been done by all user groups and they are still a hazard, they can't be played on until the end of May. Effectively cutting down the training time to less than 4 months. Trying to get time on the fields that are available (the ones not being decommissioned so they can regrow) is next to impossible. Finally these youth do put in a great many hours, fundraising, practicing and volunteering, at the Funfair during Rendezvous, and the Food Bank in the fall.
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north_of_60 on May 2, 2015 at 2:16 pm
@MASC
Go read the excellent comments from Jonathan Colby which relate directly to your misunderstanding of kids and crime.
ie.
"Your comment on the crime rate is hogwash. Most crimes are committed by a small group of people, and rest assured, the majority of those would not simply stop taking the easy way to acquire things because look! Shiny new field! It is a one dimensional argument, that kids who don't play sports immediately turn to crime."
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Mayor and some councilors do not support healthy life styles for our kids on May 2, 2015 at 7:18 am
Mayor and some Councillors do not support a healthy life styles for our kids so they can hang out down by the river and get into drugs. I thought the COW was against the problems! You can't have it both ways Mayor.
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Observer on May 1, 2015 at 7:52 pm
Is it just me, or does anyone else see a sinister Hobbit sitting there, who has been at it too long?
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JC - WC on May 1, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Have you ever developed and built any sport facilities? Did not think so. As people who study crime and how having nothing to do leads to crime.
Check your facts maybe you will understand.
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Salar on May 1, 2015 at 2:29 pm
If everyone got what they wanted every time they went to council there would be no point to having elected officials that weigh the common good with common sense (ideally).
We could just have wickets at the city office where you could go to grab your money...parking tickets in this row, handouts in this row....'what do you mean I can't use public money to build and operate my pot smoke café? It's for the public!'...
'I mean back in Ontario we have these fields that make you float so you don't have to run real hard and you never get hurt or scrape your knee. They're like so backwards up here'
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What happen to respect on May 1, 2015 at 10:00 am
People calling down a person for giving his life to this community and supporting kids need their head checked on what's right.
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Jonathan Colby on May 1, 2015 at 7:51 am
Wilf Carter,
We do have soccer fields. We have fields upon which people can and do play soccer. They may not meet some standard levied by some soccer association, but they are soccer fields by some standard. The only thing that irks me more than hyperbole in argument is hyperbole poorly expressed.
Your comment on the crime rate is hogwash. Most crimes are committed by a small group of people, and rest assured, the majority of those would not simply stop taking the easy way to acquire things because look! Shiny new field! It is a one dimensional argument, that kids who don't play sports immediately turn to crime. Besides, a sports complex in Whistle Bend is hardly central. What about the kids with no transportation from another area of the city. I guess they are doomed to recidivism...
Oh hey, I noticed you are once again boasting your extensive experience on matters of everything. Please run for office so you can fix everything with your incalculable wisdom and vast experience. Pretty please?
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Yukon's Most Ridiculous Proposal on May 1, 2015 at 7:12 am
Try this for some critical thinking. 14 soccer fields, 1000 soccer players who play for 2 months and then go on summer vacation.
3000 hockey players, speed skaters, public skaters, figure skaters who use 3 rinks for eight(8) months. This is classically a no-brainer.
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Just Say'in on Apr 30, 2015 at 11:29 am
Hey Dave! Your right, this is a farce. You are way to much in a conflict of interest situation to be commenting on this subject let alone voting on it. I am sure this is the last draw for you anyway.
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There is no soccer fields in the Yukon on Apr 30, 2015 at 10:21 am
There is no soccer fields in the Yukon. Not one by any standard.
We cannot just fix up a field for soccer, just like you can't fix up a Canadian games center which gets more of us than we all expected and it is used by all age groups and from outside the Yukon BC, Alaska, NWT tourist.
If we develop sport complex lets develop them properly for our kids, not half assed.
I have been involved in sport complex development in the Yukon and across Canada and every dollar invested into facilities like this reduces the crime rate in kids because they have something to do and any investment in our youth is good.
But this facility like the Canada games center can be used by all ages.
Cross country skiing, Lawn bowling for seniors, to name others and there are more additions to this project with very low cost can be added.
I think the organizations needs to widen the project scope to include more opportunities and they can be low cost items.
This would give it more of a broad range of support.
This is called critical thinking for the interest of the people of our community.
This is also called cost benefits analysis.
You have a Mayor who is involved with everything possible but does not consult who or what but just makes decisions based on no facts of the situation but his own ideas. He's more like a town manager than a mayor.
We have a mayor that does not have the experience to see how our community needs to be developed and understand the common sense behind it. If he did, he would not be making all these mistakes for our community.
Wilf Carter
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Not soccer or any other types of fields that why we need to develop the complex. on Apr 29, 2015 at 8:48 pm
There is no soccer fields in the COW but just fields that soccer is played on. Anyone that has ever played soccer understands that including David Stockdale. We don't have one soccer field in the Yukon that even looks like a soccer field. All the comments and Mayor of Whitehorse, Gladish and Irwin don't have a clue what a real soccer field even looks like or how a soccer field is built to play soccer on.
We have people who are making decisions based on no knowledge of soccer or sports period.
Why did the COW commission an independent evaluation of the proposal on soccer before killing the project.
Again we have elected officials making decisions based on non-informed facts of a project not knowing the cost or benefit to the COW kids and Yukon.
This is why these people have to leave office in the COW Whitehorse before they just destroy the CIty.
Mayor Curtis do you have any clue of how to be a mayor and make informed decisions?
Don't you think you should ask for a cost benefit analysis before voting on a situation before killing it?
I have built a number of sport complexes and I would have asked the Yukon Government for a cost benefit analysis before making any decision but you Mayor Curtis did not ask that so you could make an informed analysis or decision based in fact on the zoning.
No, you just again bulldoze ahead with no understanding of the facts.
Time for a new mayor that consults its people and provides the true facts, no misunderstanding of facts on anything.
If I was mayor, I would ask the Yukon Government to provide why we should approve the zoning and make it public.
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This city is a joke on Apr 29, 2015 at 7:48 pm
Can anybody tell me how his daughter-in-law gets the job in the city just a couple weeks after she immigrated from other country? At the time when she still hadn't figured out where Poter creek was and speaks very basic language?
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Use the fields on Apr 29, 2015 at 3:00 pm
We have other fields. Put some money into keeping these up to standards that kids can enjoy playing on. As a matter of fact, a lot of the fields are in pretty good shape at this very moment.
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Iceberg on Apr 29, 2015 at 2:48 pm
I am embarrassed by those that choose to criticize Dave Stockdale in these comments. Who in this city has a right to stand in judgement of someone that has given so much to the Yukon, this city, the sport of soccer and other activities for our children? I do not always agree with every decision Dave Stockdale makes but I have tremendous respect for him and so should others. Thank you Dave Stockdale for all that you do for this community.
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bb on Apr 29, 2015 at 2:20 pm
Would it kill these kids and adults who use the existing fields which are otherwise maintained and paid for by others, to take 5 minutes to do a clean up before the game? You have at least what, 20 people? 5 minutes each and it's done.
I understand the argument, "But, but.. it's not MY mess!" Yeah, that's the way it goes. It doesn't justify spending $8 million (a year's property taxes for 8,000 modest homes in Whitehorse) so you can have a new field with a fence to keep out dogs and litterers, and fake grass to disuade the gophers.
I have volunteered several times with the SAR group to clean up other people's cigarette butts and garbage in various parts of town. Big deal, pull yourselves together and get the field ready for the game, dog sht and all.
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WestofBelfast on Apr 29, 2015 at 11:41 am
No matter how hot it gets in the kitchen, I expect my city councillors to stay in the fight and not take his ball and go home.
That said, I support building this facility. Soccer (or the footy as my grandfather would have called it) is a great game and compared to other sports is one of the most affordable. Pair of boots, shinnies,...and away the kid goes. This is a good investment in keeping our kids in sports and making good social connections...and keeping them out of the courts and on the fields.
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Michel Dupont on Apr 29, 2015 at 10:51 am
"Irwin said she just didn’t have faith that the facility operations wouldn’t eventually be downloaded to the city, despite assertions from the government that it would be responsible for any shortfalls in operations if the complex association can’t make a go of it."
Betty remembers the promises made by YG to a certain sawmill...Good for you Betty! Unless it is in writing and notarized, but
do not even think of taking their "words" for it. Never!.
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Once again you have Liberal Mayor playing politics using our children as pawns low on Apr 29, 2015 at 10:00 am
Once again you have have liberal mayor playing politics using our children as pawns. A new low of the worse kind. This Mayor and Council is the worst I have ever seen in 35 years. They don't have a clue what they are doing.
Dave Stockdale has many, many days teaching and coaching Yukon children the game of soccer for many, many years.
He has given our children of the Yukon his life as a coach to make 100's and 100's of our kids from getting involved in anything bad because they were having fun playing soccer.
This person gives a lot to this community and the people that call him down need to get a mind check.
I have never in my life seen such a disgusting display of a pure uncaring group of people that are making comments here.
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Josey Wales on Apr 29, 2015 at 9:43 am
‘I’ve never seen such a farce in my life’ ....if he were referring to how this wee town has been "managed" for the time he has been a common denominator in the equation of our nobles, I'd agree.
'cept he was not, he was throwing a hissy fit as he and his minions seem to not be getting their elitist play center.
More like a high school drama class than elected official babysitting many many millions of dollars.
In fairness to King Dan and his merry crew, the hairdresser was a bad idea too...look around at both your property taxes and this sty for what is self evident.
Yup..a trend of ineptness and unaccountability.
This ornament that has been feeding outta the public trough...should be retired.
...mind you, so too should ALL his colleagues.
I suspect they will be soon, making room for another group of self serving elitists.
Whitehorse S.O.P.
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@what?? on Apr 29, 2015 at 7:54 am
So an elected representative throws a temper tantrum when he doesn't get his way, disregards expected conduct and utilizes curse words to show disdain. What an embarrassment and certainly no role model.
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Use Softball fields as an example on Apr 29, 2015 at 7:52 am
Yes, Dave behaved badly. But I'm disappointed that this re-zoning application didn't pass. Soccer is a hugely popular sport, esp for kids. That aside - many years ago a few people proposed a big softball complex with diamonds that could host national events. The result, 30 years later, is a great facility that doesn't ask for or get a penny from City of Whitehorse, supports itself through Lotteries, member funds. Council could simply say - on record - that the City will absolutely not commit to operations/maintenance in the future in case this facility runs into financial difficulty.
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Mandeep on Apr 28, 2015 at 11:24 pm
My apologies,
When you approve a motion in the first reading then switch in the second reading you've wasted time and money. A complete farce is right.
Look at council. Betty Irwin/Dave Stockdale the oldest/experienced of the bunch went head to head on a matter.
Curtis flipped (thanks for wasting our time and money...) the rezoning is the issue? You're the same person that admits Whistle Bend is a sh!thole that no one should build in...
This city cannot support the amenities we currently have. We have 14 fields (x 3 ... and I still count more)... you have 8 million dollars why not repair them?
I asked this question to one of the Councillors who voted for the field, "no one uses them..."
So why are we wasting time and money on this discussion? Repair what we have and quit wasting time agreeing then not agreeing. Farce is right.
Stockdale needs to be remembered as a true touchstone of history. He's been the longest serving and knows the process. Consistency would be nice, he believes in procedure. Instead, we're left with wasted time, money, and paper.
Thanks for making the news Curtis. You wasted all of our time. Vote no, be done with it. See a decision through till the end. Respect your elders and know what Dave brings to the table. Literally a mind that knows the entire history of politics in Whitehorse. If used properly a very valuable tool. Instead you've turned him into... "hahahah haha Dave got angry...what a baby!!..."
Considering he was the man who taught Gladish's daughter sports in school you'd think he'd show a bit more than "you're speaking out of turn." "Dave, I can see why you're angry but this isn't proper decorum."
Show some respect towards our referee, ping pong player, and man who watched dangerous minds and walked into the gym saying, "You all have A's it's all up to you whether you keep them or lose them."
Then his shock when he realized all of us kids in grade 3 had seen a movie with a rated R tag.
Dave, Thank you. You're true to the procedure and the way government should be run.
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June Jackson on Apr 28, 2015 at 10:59 pm
Tax payers do not want this facility right now..anyone notice we are in a depression?..people are moving out as jobs disappear...now is not the time to be spending this kind of money on a facility a limited number of people want..they could make use of existing areas..but they want something fancy to write home about...the Pasloski gov said they will pick up short falls? When did they ever keep their word about anything?
Maybe later..not now.
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Just Say'in on Apr 28, 2015 at 10:19 pm
This, or any facility like it will not change the situation for summer athletes in the Yukon. The fact is to be competitive in summer sports you will have to move south where the soccer season starts mid winter, if you want to be good. Why do we need a world class facility. Are we planning on hosting the Summer Olympics? As for the existing 14 fields wouldn't it be easier to pick up the dog poop? Also how will two extra fields change the other 14, it certainly isn't going to replace the need for them. Thanks for the decision council. Now if we can just get YTG to quit wasting our tax dollars.
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Just Say'in on Apr 28, 2015 at 10:12 pm
First of all, Mr Stockdale should have removed himself from the debate and vote due to his long standing association with Soccer in the Yukon. Secondly a vote is a vote and it is over.
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Time to thank some councillors and some x-councillor on Apr 28, 2015 at 7:15 pm
Ex-councillor Kirk Cameron may have contributed his finest service to the community by being absent via the quit routine. This caused a tie vote and defeated the proposal. Thanks Kurt, your best move.
Time to thank councillor Stockdale for his many years of service and I hope he does well in his future endeavours. His future has been freed up!
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Wundering on Apr 28, 2015 at 7:03 pm
“I’ve never seen such a farce in my life.”
Must have been asleep at the other council meetings.
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Jonathan Colby on Apr 28, 2015 at 6:35 pm
Thomas Brewer, you beat me to it.
As a person who regularly picks up garbage and (gasp) dog feces left aside the trail systems, I have to say, sometimes it takes input to enjoy a space properly. The idea that maintenance and remediation is a less ideal solution than this behemoth of now and future costs is repulsive. I really don't see a need for this construction, but there seems to be whiny murmurs by interested parties about how we can't enjoy the things we have because nobody wants to work at it, and that's a damn shame.
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Does anyone know anything about the need for our youth. on Apr 28, 2015 at 5:53 pm
Any help we can give our youth from being involved in drugs are a help from a parent who knows.
Dave is right because he spent many years caring and helping our youth but most people making comments do not know his history of helping 1000's of Yukon youth to be healthy and have better life through soccer.
Councillors Streicker why don't you just leave because you have no idea what you are doing on this or other issues but talk out of both sides of your face.
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BnR on Apr 28, 2015 at 5:26 pm
Nice pouty face Dave. Man, I don't know how he will be able to show his face in public again after this performance.
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Joseph on Apr 28, 2015 at 5:08 pm
This is the kind of immature stuff Dave has been pulling behind the scenes for years. If people knew his true character or lack their of, he never would have been voted for.
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Thomas Brewer on Apr 28, 2015 at 4:35 pm
"the 14 outdoor soccer pitches are in terrible shape, with gopher holes, dog feces and garbage often found on them from a variety of users."
Perhaps improving a multitude of fields versus building yet another one would be a better use of resources?
I'm happy this rezoning was defeated.
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Jimmy J on Apr 28, 2015 at 4:17 pm
I assume the Mayor will accept Mr Stockdale's comments as a formal resignation.
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We all know the Mayor is a farce. on Apr 28, 2015 at 4:14 pm
We all know the Mayor is a farce.
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wolverine on Apr 28, 2015 at 3:48 pm
Dave is right, this Council is a farce, and not just on this issue. This is the most dysfunctional city government we've ever had to endure. Just like the previous regime, they're myopically focused on sports facilities for the affluent elites while poverty and homelessness continue to grow out of control. With two down, how many more councilors have to quit before an election must be called?
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Adele Sandrock on Apr 28, 2015 at 3:33 pm
Mr. Stockdale - your immature behavior belongs to kindergarten kids. Maybe it's really time to retire finally.
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Jim Lahey on Apr 28, 2015 at 3:24 pm
I really hope people don't vote for Dave again. What an embarrassment. Throws a little fit like a baby. I'm sorry but you have no business representing me. And actually never have. Kudos to Betty and Gladish.