
Photo by Vince Fedoroff
BADLY NEEDED – A 47-unit building owned by the Yukon Housing Corp. is under construction at Fourth Avenue and Jeckell Street. It’s expected to be a partial solution to shortening the lengthy waitlist for social housing.
Photo by Vince Fedoroff
BADLY NEEDED – A 47-unit building owned by the Yukon Housing Corp. is under construction at Fourth Avenue and Jeckell Street. It’s expected to be a partial solution to shortening the lengthy waitlist for social housing.
Hundreds of people are on the waitlist for social housing in the Yukon, with wait times spanning from months to years, according to the Yukon Housing Corp.
Hundreds of people are on the waitlist for social housing in the Yukon, with wait times spanning from months to years, according to the Yukon Housing Corp.
“We recognize that there is a need for more affordable housing, and we’re working on it from a couple different angles,” Sarah Murray, a spokesperson for the Housing Corp., told the Star this morning.
The corporation’s waitlist for social housing had 361 households as of Oct. 13, according to documentation tabled in the legislature late last month.
Of those 361 households on the waitlist, 144 are seniors; 295 are in Whitehorse and 66 are in the communities.
Kim Sharp, the acting director of client relations, told the Star that this waitlist length is typical for the corporation.
It has lengthened in the last two years due to increased outreach to vulnerable populations.
“That added to the waitlist, because we’re catching a group that was underrepresented prior to having those additional supports,” Sharp said.
The Yukon government has 800 housing units territory-wide.
Units become available for people on the waitlist according to tenant turnaround –– which is hard to forecast, Sharp explained.
Tenants usually stay in social housing for at least six months, while some people raise their families in social housing and stay for a decade or longer.
“We never know who the next applicant is going to be and when there will be a unit available,” Sharp said.
That means people who sign up for the waitlist generally have no idea how long they will be waiting for housing.
“It’s really hard to say – it changes every day as people move out of housing, but it is based on client severity of need.”
People aren’t housed from the waitlist on a first-come-first-served basis.
Those with combined vulnerabilities are prioritized, including victims of violence, people who are homeless or people in the communities with a critical need to relocate to Whitehorse.
Those who are prioritized at the top of the waitlist may still see a wait of several months, Sharp said. The wait for low-priority applicants could span years.
“Some folks – and the senior waitlist is a good example – people are living in their own home, they’re not quite ready to move on but they are anticipating a future need,” Sharp said.
“Until they experience some other combined factor, they will remain on the waitlist.”
Seniors comprise about 40 per cent of the waitlist. Sharp said this is due, in part, to the Yukon’s senior population increasing 72 per cent in the last decade.
“I think what drives that is there isn’t really anything in the interim, with the housing costs of a condo, seniors age out of their home and don’t want to maintain it or can’t afford to maintain it,” Sharp said.
“Our housing is more constrained and more modest than most seniors are prepared for, really, so there’s a gap in the housing continuum we are hoping the private sector might help us fill.”
The housing corporation has purpose-built seniors multiplexes in Whitehorse, but options for seniors in the communities are more constrained.
“We have a lot of seniors in non-seniors housing,” Sharp said.
“It doesn’t really matter to them; they just want a home; if you’re on the top of the list you’re having a need, so you’re just grateful.”
A seniors housing development is currently being constructed by private developers in Takhini. Sharp said that should relieve some of the pressure on the seniors waitlist for affordable housing.
Other people on the low-priority waitlist are often housed inadequately in the interim.
“It could be that it’s too expensive or not large enough for their family size or needs repair,” Sharp said.
“We can hopefully point people who are in housing need to different options or opportunities.”
There is a lack of housing stock in the Yukon contributing to the shortage of affordable units.
The Yukon government’s housing initiative plans, which fund private market development, are intended to spur rental development.
Murray said that 350 units have been built in the last three years through those funding programs.
A 47-unit building is under construction at Fourth Avenue and Jeckell Street and will be owned by the corporation, as well as a Challenge Disability Resource Group Cornerstone Housing project on Main Street.
Murray said the corporation is working to bring more units to the market, as well as revamp the social housing program system.
“Generally, we are working on transforming the way our social housing program works, which is to take some recommendations from the Putting People First report,” Murray said.
“The idea of doing better in housing affordability so we can be flexible and have a resilient program.”
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Comments (34)
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mick on Nov 9, 2020 at 2:05 am
Well, you have to consider that due to the complete overpopulation of the Yukon, the land prices are sky high, it's not rocket science. /sarcasm
Alternatively the Yukon government could stop hoarding building land demanding rip-off land prices from the people they are supposed to SERVE.
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Wilf Carter on Nov 8, 2020 at 3:06 pm
Here an interesting one for Yukoners - City of Whitehorse is renting houses for employees when they move in. Why don't they train Yukoners for government jobs instead of bringing them in from outside?
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Bill on Nov 6, 2020 at 9:57 pm
Yukon Housing corporation is a mess. It all started going sideways when the new deputy minister, ( destroyed another department before going to yhc) was plunked in there. She, and a minister party favourite appointed to a key position, fired all the experienced staff ( so they wouldn’t get called out), changed all the key programs under the guise of modernization ( truth was they didn’t have a clue) and it all went downhill from there. Check out former budgets, there was a time, not long before the party favourites were dropped in, where the mortgage program revenues actually covered the costs of operating yhc.
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Groucho d'North on Nov 6, 2020 at 9:51 am
I understand there is a new program coming that will provide renters with hundreds of dollars each month to help them pay the rent. So will this get included in the monthly income amounts the YHC renters pay 25% of? Considering that many now report hard times and zero income for a number of reasons, so today some of these pay only $50/mo for their rents. I'm curious how YG will make this fair for everybody while not paying people to rent in the months to come?
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DA on Nov 6, 2020 at 8:31 am
BB,
You better hire an accountant and look at the budget a second time, as you've forgotten to factor in revenue. Brings the monthly cost closer to $3200/month, not the outrageous $5600/month that you've erroneously suggested.
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drum on Nov 5, 2020 at 5:07 pm
Yudah - I agree that SA recipients living in low cost housing should have pride in their place and cut their own grass - clear their own snow - most do not work therefore they have lots of time to take care of their area.
Seniors on the other hand need help with clearing snow and maintenance in Senior Housing - you cannot expect a 80 year old (who has worked all their lives and paid taxes and still do on their pensions) to physically work.
Seniors who still live in their own homes can access Yukon Council on Aging services - they can be paired up with a veted person to do snow clearing etc. but that will cost the senior - it is not free.
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Yoduh on Nov 5, 2020 at 1:30 pm
Re Social housing,
Here is an existing stat for you. Last year our Territorial government paid $40,000 to cut the lawns for our existing low cost buildings!
I would think that the least these residents could do, is show some appreciation for the housing they have been given.
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BB on Nov 5, 2020 at 1:01 pm
Thank you, DA. Yukon Housing costs the taxpayer $54 million a year, this year's estimate. They have 800 units. That's $67,500 per year per unit, which is $5,625 PER MONTH PER UNIT.
Yes, I do maintain my position that the 'sky high rents' provided by the private sector are far more efficient at providing housing than Yukon Housing is. This is even worse than I imagined.
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Bandit on Nov 5, 2020 at 8:30 am
And just an FYI, yesterday a letter arrived informing me that my Dad who is in long-term care will see a rent increase of $5 day going from $35 to $40 per day ($1200-$1240 per month), if you say it quickly it doesn't sound that bad but it turns into $140-$155 per month depending on how many days in the month.
My Dad is a longtime Yukoner that lives on CPP & OAS totalling about $1400 month, I don't recall receiving a letter from CRA saying his pension increased. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the care he receives and the cost is about half of the national average but at the end of the day he won't have $200 leftover for the basic toiletries that aren't covered. The reason given for the increase was to make long-term care sustainable. How about this... quit accepting imports into the system that tag along with their kids coming here for the govvie job and get fast-tracked into care.
I know I'll take some flack here but it needs to be said.
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Juniper Jackson on Nov 5, 2020 at 8:11 am
My first submission, I totally lost my temper writing it and the Star, (perhaps wisely) declined to print.
Toning it down now. I believe there is a LOT of frauds happening. People have been and are being reported, but Silver/Frost eliminated the investigatory position. Our welfare and housing is extremely easy to get. Every province in Canada has a residency clause. But not the Yukon. With the numbers of people coming here, and being portaled here, there are no long term workable solutions. There are no jobs now. Even people who want to work, and too many don't, their employment has gone under, or cut backs, they can't now afford what they used to have, credit cards are exhausted, savings gone.
When Whistle Bend opened, people were asked to rent their spare bedrooms. Rentals are pretty good income that most don't declare, so that took up some of the housing slack. Those rooms are filled now too with the occasional ad looking for a room mate, but not very many.
What are we going to do? It's winter in the Yukon. Years ago, at #1 Hospital Road, before it was torn down, a man froze to death on the back stairs. His body so still, covered with light snow. I can't see that again, and believe me, you don't want to see it either. Hotels that allow a heat plate in the rooms, is one answer. But not the solution for families with children. Perhaps a large YMCA type of building with cluster units..that's 4 or 5 bedrooms around a shared kitchen and living room would work for singles. But we still have children to be concerned about. It is unfortunate that some people want the government to take care of them and become career welfare recipients living in government housing. I'd like to know the numbers; working people in government housing as opposed to SA. 25% of your gross is a lot of money. And, money you don't have. (Money you have is after tax income) It's better than local rents, but not by much if you are a 2 working in a family with 2 kids.
Friends in Hope, BC pay 1,600. a month for a 2 bedroom apt. in an apt. building. There is a bank, a small food court, a shop or two and security on the door. in the basement is a pool, sauna, exercise room. AND..it's BC! Great weather. Here? for 900. to 1200. a month you can rent a room with a shared bathroom. Affordable housing is just one of the societal problems that has increased with covid.
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Josey Wales on Nov 5, 2020 at 7:14 am
Could they not have moved the SS Klondike, give the folks a better view than the mere awesome one to a premium one?
Oh I know...turn the entire RS campground into a mini house, free range open needle space where the RCMP are forbidden to enter... like CHAZ north 60 Vs. them having to pretend daily as they do now.
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Josey Wales on Nov 5, 2020 at 7:08 am
Yeah..purdy popular we are!
So much so folks come here from Somalia, Philippines, Turkey.
Personally I feel ever so culturally enriched, this diversity thrust upon us!
Imagine that folks, a wee place, rife with virtue signaling fools & political WINDBAGS with a huge budget fixated on DIE (diversity, inclusion & equity..all toxic ideologies) ...is popular??
This completely engineered sh**thole will only get worse...
as "we all squabble for long shanks scraps"...William Wallace as portrayed by MG.
ya'll starting to figure out the subjugation shell game yet?
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DA on Nov 4, 2020 at 3:54 pm
BB and Lumberg,
Check out this Yukon Housing budget:
https://yukon.ca/sites/yukon.ca/files/fin/fin-2020-21-budget-main-estimates-yukon-housing-corporation.pdf
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DA on Nov 4, 2020 at 3:50 pm
Lumberg,
Not all Yukon Housing units have security, as far as I am aware. I would also argue that the client's who destroy everything and leave their windows open in winter are the exception. There's just no way each unit cost an average of $4500/month. That would be 3.6 million a year for all 800 units, or 43.2 million a year. Not a chance.
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Juniper Jackson on Nov 4, 2020 at 3:29 pm
I see many, every day, all social stratas.. Last year, I reported a couple.. She didn't like the place they were living..so she went to welfare and said, ummm I'll call him Doug..not his real name.. beat her up.. SA put her in a 3 bedroom house immediately, and Doug went to Anger Management. He also went to welfare and said, I have a place to live on the Carcross cutoff, but it's $1300. a month. So they gave him $2000. a month SA. There is no cabin on the Carcross cut off, and Doug still lives with her and their 2 kids in Yukon Housing. Neither of them work. She has never worked, and he has worked intermittently. When I reported this, I was told there was no longer any fraud investigators. Doug told me they didn't care and would not do a thing. A single Mother with 4 kids gets $38,000 a year from welfare and housing. Plus, $2800. a month Child Tax Benefit. Why on earth would she ever go to work? So..is this a Yukon Housing problem if she has a boyfriend living with her? Didn't she sign a lease saying her and 4 kids? Or is this a SA problem because they told Yukon Housing Mom and kids had no place to stay? SOOO much room for abuse.
A lot of welfare here also got CERB money. A career welfare life pays pretty good. Our housing, intended for the poor, those who need it.. say..a senior from Dawson that needs to be here now for health reasons.. not poor, but no accommodation for him. Yup..put him in housing, he needs it. Indigents? kick their ***es back to Ontario. Put a residence qualification on application. Just got off the bus? Kick that *ss back to Ontario. Here pushing drugs? Breaking our laws? I wonder how many eviction notices Yukon Housing sends out to seniors every month who can't give them a NOA, and how many migrants get a letter?
If a private group, like CARES wants to bring people here, feed them, house them, cloth them..fine..but now they want taxpayers who disagree to hand out the freebies. Taxpayers better start taking a stand because there is just no end to this until you are also in line for a government house, a government meal, a government shirt and pants.
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Lost In the Yukon on Nov 4, 2020 at 3:12 pm
Another Department expertly run by Minister Pauline Frost ... good job
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Lumberg on Nov 4, 2020 at 3:04 pm
@DA
It's because they run the housing like an apartment building. They have around the clock security, landscaping, garbage/compost removal, snow removal and the maintenance costs are astronomical as the tenants (generally) just destroy stuff; walls, cabinets, flooring, lights you name it. They leave windows and doors open in the dead of winter.
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joe on Nov 4, 2020 at 2:55 pm
Keep building them and they keep coming.
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JustSayin' on Nov 4, 2020 at 1:24 pm
Seniors should come first when it comes to social housing and only they should be residing in said house. Second, low income families who have jobs and are trying to do something better, however, only for a limited time. If you cannot in five years (pending any unforeseen issue) get out of social housing then the Government needs to motivate them to move. This shouldn't be permanent life residences for people who are starting out in life; it should be a stepping stone to obtain a better life. There should also be a specific housing unit for those who are mentally unwell with support staff to assist them in daily routines and so forth. ..Nevermind... I can only control my actions.
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Saw it coming on Nov 4, 2020 at 12:59 pm
There are a few problems with the social housing program:
1. social housing is intended to cost the renter 30% of their gross income per month (compared to the "affordable housing" definition of around 40%. Yukon Housing charges 25% and includes heat (and in some cases other utilities).
2. the rules around providing social housing are such that you get much better housing than you would get if you were on your own. For instance, children of the opposite sex over age 6 get their own rooms. All of a sudden your modest housing budget gets you a 3+ bedroom unit.
3. There is no exit strategy. Social housing was never intended to forever housing for multiple generations. The vision was that people would get on their feet and become self sufficient. Instead, it's become a permanent solution and the YHC sees demands for kitchen upgrades, new carpet, etc.
4. Social housing includes all the maintenance and sometimes grass mowing and snow clearing.
5. Couples with two incomes can use social housing and only report one income as long as the "boyfriend" shows they stay somewhere else occasionally.
The bottom line is it is a more attractive option. So why would people ever leave?
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comen sense on Nov 4, 2020 at 11:02 am
This is setting precedence, this country is creating a very top-heavy situation. I believe there are many people that require help but now the good old government is creating a living condition that is appealing for more than just the needy. Hope we can maintain and afford these ideas for now and future generations.
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DA on Nov 4, 2020 at 8:18 am
BB,
I think your math may be a little (or a lot) off. Can you clarify how each unit costs the taxpayer $4500/month? My experience with Yukon Housing is that they charge less for their unit than the private sector.
$4500/month doesn't make any sense. Source?
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how can we get in on this? on Nov 4, 2020 at 7:50 am
Mt Opinion - I totally agree. I feel the same way about having to pay my own way. Some days I want to give up and wonder how I can get in on the free housing and upgrade from my 30 year old trailer into a new condo with all the amenities and not worry about bills or even going to work.
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House of Horrors on Nov 4, 2020 at 7:00 am
Social housing... Gives new meaning to, “if these walls could talk”. Houses should keep its mouth shut.
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drum on Nov 3, 2020 at 4:57 pm
I have friends who have died waiting for senior and social housing. The point system list seems to change everyday depending sometimes who your relatives are and how much pull they have with the government.
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Off Grid on Nov 3, 2020 at 3:54 pm
@Mt Opinion
Faced with the grim possibility of having to leverage a half-a-million dollar mortgage that I'll be paying off for the rest of my life, I've decided instead to purchase an undeveloped plot of land and build a cabin on it. I have given up. I'm dropping out of this overinflated real estate market, building a home for myself and that'll be the end of it.
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Mt Opinion on Nov 3, 2020 at 2:14 pm
Check it out, Yukon Housing, Whitehorse Housing, Grey Mountain Housing, Senior Housing, Half Way Houses, Whitehorse Homeless coalition, Drug and Alcohol places, Fetal Alcohol assisted living, First Nation Housing, Three bands in Whitehorse.
There is no lack of Social Housing, there is a lack of people getting out of the loop and creating their own housing. Why would they????
Sometimes I wonder if I am the only one paying my own way. I know I am not, but Good Lord.
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Mt Opinion on Nov 3, 2020 at 2:06 pm
I look at that picture and feel for the contractors. Can you imagine trying to find things around that site now? Also have to get all that snow away from the exposed lumber. Every board and piece of plywood will have ice all over it. Talk about a productivity killer.
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Sheepchaser on Nov 3, 2020 at 1:31 pm
If you build it, they will come. In greater and greater numbers. Used to be the cold Yukon winter would at least have the effect of clearing out the squatters from the South. No longer. It’s too comfortable, too easy these days and making it so it has changed the character of this place, our people and our country. On the fence as to whether that is for the better or if the kindness movement is just making us all weak enough to be chia pets for the new world order.
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BnR on Nov 2, 2020 at 4:26 pm
If they didn’t have housing, they shouldn’t have moved here.
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Wilf Carter on Nov 2, 2020 at 3:08 pm
Our Federal Yukon and Municipal government have created a perfect storm just like Yukon has seen over the last several days.
This shows our governments at three levels are not in touch with the priority needs of Yukoners at all levels.
What a great piece of information on the major housing problem in Yukon created over the last 4 years. Our Federal MP stated in 2015 that his government will give $2.5 million a year for housing in the Yukon over the next 4 years which would fund building an average price of $464,000 per unit. That = 5 and half units of funding per year for housing.
Then you have the mayor of Whitehorse saying during last municipal election we only have a growth rate of 2% a year on housing needs in our city of 5 a year at max.
We have a shortage of 360 social housing units with 40% being seniors because they can't afford the property taxes and fees averaging 5 to 8% a year set by City Government.
Then we had increases in income tax and no increase for seniors on their pensions.
We have a need for 1800 serviced lots to keep up with demand for private home ownership in Whitehorse.
So that shows over 2000 housing units needed in Whitehorse today but because of bad planning by all three levels of governments we are now in a housing crises in Whitehorse.
If the City held off spending $55 million on the new building for a few more years this would have eased the housing disaster we are now in!!!
If our MP had just did some smart investing in housing instead of trying to buying votes by just giving out money to anyone who wanted it.
For our premier mayor and MP your are hurting the staff of Yukon Housing by not giving the funds to do their job and that is supplying proper housing for City of Whitehorse residents.
Just for you three legal government rep's for city residents you have put our poverty's rate up by 482% or more over the last 4 years.
The first three elements of responsibility for governments is health, safety, food and shelter but you are not doing that for us Yukoners. Why???
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Groucho d'North on Nov 2, 2020 at 3:01 pm
Where are these people seeking housing coming from? Are they like the seniors in the article, aging out of mom and dad's basement? Are they new to the territory? Are they the immigrants the feds were looking to place across the country?
As fast as new buildings are completed, they are filled and waiting lists are added to.
Stats branch said in their Q1 2020 population report: Comparing March 31, 2020 to March 31, 2010, Yukon's population increased by 7,363, or 21.2%.
The population of the Whitehorse area increased by 6,457
Again- where are these people coming from and are they jumping ahead of Yukoners who have been on the waiting list a while?
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BB on Nov 2, 2020 at 2:49 pm
My guess is that the government charges out 3 to 4 times what the private sector does for rental housing. Ie, a place that is $1200 a month in the private sector costs $4500 a month to the tax payer if Yukon Housing is running the property.
As much as I dislike corporate welfare, and especially government money going to the usual suspects, this is one area where it is by far the better choice. Just follow up and make sure that these units are still being used as affordable housing five and ten years from now, as per the agreements the developers got when they received their $50,000 cash bonus per unit.
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TMYK on Nov 2, 2020 at 2:18 pm
Fun Fact: The Yukon has the highest number of social housing units per capita in all of Canada. People come from all over Canada to take advantage of it.