Photo by Vince Fedoroff
ADDITIONAL FUNDING SUGGESTED – Lorie Henderson, a Friends of Mount Sima member, discusses the group's funding request to the city during Monday evening's council meeting. Brad Cathers
Photo by Vince Fedoroff
ADDITIONAL FUNDING SUGGESTED – Lorie Henderson, a Friends of Mount Sima member, discusses the group's funding request to the city during Monday evening's council meeting. Brad Cathers
City council will meet later this week to discuss the latest request of $200,000 to help get the Mount Sima ski and snowboard facility operating this winter.
City council will meet later this week to discuss the latest request of $200,000 to help get the Mount Sima ski and snowboard facility operating this winter.
Lorie Henderson, a Friends of Mount Sima member, brought forward the request at Monday evening's council meeting.
She pointed to the support that has come from the community in the form of 710 pledges to purchase a season's pass, along with more donations and sponsorship commitments.
The Friends of Sima formed earlier this year with the goal of reopening the hill – which was shut down in July by the Great Northern Ski Society (GNSS) amid financial issues – and coming up with a new governance structure.
The GNSS has operated the hill since it opened in 1993, though the make-up of the board has changed over the years.
The GNSS voted to dissolve earlier this year when it was not given government funding to keep the hill going. In order to dissolve, the board must first clear off its debts.
It has an agreement-in-principle that would allow the new Friends of Sima group to run the hill this winter. The new organization has been working on raising cash through the pledge program, offering season passes at a reduced rate if the hill reopens.
At Monday's meeting, Henderson pointed to the public support shown through the pledge program, noting there were just a little more than 200 season passes sold last year.
She then made the request for the $200,000 in funding, including $100,000 in immediate cash with the balance provided in a few weeks.
The group is also asking for a commitment to run the Snowbus to and from the hill through the winter and to enter discussions for long-term funding.
This latest request follows numerous requests which have come to assist in the hill's operation, initially from the GNSS when its financial issues came to the forefront in the spring.
With various scenarios, the asks have come in at $400,000, more than $600,000 and so on, depending on the circumstances at the time.
The city initially turned down the call from the GNSS to help keep the hill going.
Eventually, however, it put in close to $200,000 to pay off the debt on the chairlift so it wouldn't be sold off.
The territorial government also committed to providing close to $200,000 – originally earmarking the money for the purchase of the lift should the hill reopen in the winter.
Once the city offered to pay for the lift, it proposed putting the cash toward paying off local creditors for the debt the society racked up.
On Monday, council voted in favour of the contribution agreement which will see the city get the cash to then pay off the debts.
The territory is providing the money to the city as the land owner of Mount Sima.
Coun. Dave Stockdale had suggested the city try to negotiate the debts down to a certain percentage on the dollar.
Other council members, however, spoke out against the deal.
Coun. John Streicker argued the city could be perceived as pocketing the money intended for paying creditors.
Mayor Dan Curtis, meanwhile, commented it's important the local creditors get paid back what they're owed.
"We're ecstatic that local creditors are being paid,” he said, stressing that it's the Yukon government paying off the debts, not the city, which is merely facilitating the pay back.
Rob Fendrick, the city's director of corporate services, said the city has seen the detailed list of the $254,000 which was owed as of Aug. 1.
That includes money owed both locally and Outside from both the winter and the short-lived (in 2012 and until it closed on July 2, 2013) summer operations.
Fendrick said city staff would be working on sorting out the exact details of the repayments and where certain amounts would go following council's decision to move ahead with the contribution agreement.
Sima officials also learned Monday that the territory will contribute another $55,000 to help out with debts.
It will do so by purchasing a groomer the GNSS had listed for sale and by providing matching funds for the pledge program to the tune of $70,000 for this season, $50,000 for 2014/15 and $30,000 for 2015/16.
The funds are contingent on the Friends of Sima becoming a registered society and the city providing cash as well.
The news came in the form of a letter from Community Services Minister Brad Cathers sent to the Friends of Sima, the ski society, Yukon MP Ryan Leef, the city and the local media.
"The Yukon government does not provide direct operational funding for municipal facilities, and we are of the opinion that success or failure of the ski hill will depend in part on the willingness of the City of Whitehorse to provide a portion of the operational funding at Mt. Sima as it does for other municipally-owned sports facilities,” it's stated. (See Cathers' entire letter, p. 7.)
Sima supporters have continually pointed to the Canada Games Centre (CGC) as an example of the city funding sports facilities.
Council members have also been quick to note that the recreation centre is owned by the city. (While the city now owns the chairlift and the land at Mount Sima, the hill only reverts back to the city if the lease for the land is broken.)
Mayor Dan Curtis pointed out Monday that the CGC has about 3,000 people on average taking part in activities every day.
Having just received the letter from Cathers, Henderson said the group would have to look at exactly what it means for them.
There are some questions that need to be answered, she noted, though clearly the commitment will help the cause.
She pointed out that the city has a goal of 50 per cent recovery on its facilities.
The Friends Of Sima are asking for approximately 20 per cent of what it costs to co-operate.
Stockdale asked her for her reaction if the city agreed only with the $100,000 contribution request.
Henderson replied, "‘Crushed' is the word that comes to mind,” noting the group has worked to get the budget as bare bones as it can while still ensuring the hill is safe for skiers and snowboarders.
Among the cost-cutting measures, Sima would be closed on Mondays in the coming year.
It's projecting a 68-day season, accounting for some days it would have to be closed due to weather.
It was pointed out that the city has given close to $200,000 in the form of paying off the chairlift debt and having title transferred.
Henderson noted that this money would go to operations.
She also acknowledged that from the Friends of Sima perspective, it's unlikely the hill will ever be self-sufficient, which is why the discussion around long-term funding is important.
A council and senior management meeting this week will focus on the latest Sima situation, Fendrick said in an interview.
As for when the issue will come forward to council for a formal vote of any sort, he said a report and recommendation could come forward as early as next week's council meeting with a vote to follow.
He also said in this case, where "time is of the essence” in getting things in order for the hill to open this winter, it's possible a special meeting of council could be called to deal with the matter.
In that case, there would be a minimum of 48 hours' notice prior to a special council meeting.
"There's a lot of moving parts,” Fendrick said of the Sima situation.
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Comments (26)
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information on Sep 20, 2013 at 3:36 am
Should anyone like to see the financials for the GNSS you can go to corporate affairs and look at the file. All society files are public. Friends of Sima is a NEW society that is willing to help the ski hill survive, and they have nothing to do with GNSS. Sima is not a business, it is a ski hill run by a society. I don't recall seeing any of you nay sayers at the council meetings to voice your opinions, perhaps you were there but on this site you don't use your real name so forgive me if I am wrong, as I know you will jump all over my comments if I am!
Liabilities would be found on the financials which are available to the public for GNSS as I stated above. Ski equipment is no more expensive than Hockey equipment, and you can rent ski equipment at the hill.
I would love to see the City bring all funding to a vote! Not just GNSS or Friends of Sima, but all societies funding should be voted on by the public, or all funding over a certain amount anyhow.
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Arn Anderson on Sep 19, 2013 at 8:55 am
Skiing, like most sports use to be inexpensive in the past to play or enjoy. That's pretty much my comment on this issue.
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north_of_60 on Sep 18, 2013 at 5:16 am
"If we expected golf courses,.., to be purely run as private enterprise"
Isn't that the case of the golf courses in Whitehorse, and don't the members pay user fees to cover the cost of their hobby's facility?
Why can't Mt. Sima do the same?
Perhaps it's just easier to keep whining for more government money.
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Anonymous on Sep 17, 2013 at 11:28 am
Why don't we just have a vote including all people who reside in Whitehorse? Wouldn't this be the best way to decide? I personally vote no to funding passes to Sima since I believe the majority of people in Whitehorse have higher priorities for their money such as raising their children with the essentials such as food and shelter. I know the schools are often supplying basic food for many of the children in Whitehorse. I personally could not afford this recreation. Instead I plan to use my hard earned money on my children's education, food , dental, shelter and very basic recreation. So sorry I will not fund the $600 to $700 amounts of having fun for a very proportionally small number of Yukoners who choose to have fun on the hills.
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Clive Wailing on Sep 17, 2013 at 10:07 am
@ yukon1973 Um, by the fact that the majority of comments were against it. Council also indicated that many people called the councillors to say they were against it.
I've said it before: if Sima supporters wanted a survey, they could have designed a proper survey instead of the petition with 700+ people saying that they will buy a DISCOUNTED pass. Open it up and find out how many of the 20,000 people in Whitehorse do NOT want ANY government funding (YTG or CoW) the hill if you think you're in the majority. I'd be interested in the results of that survey.
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oh the children on Sep 17, 2013 at 8:11 am
I grew up with the hill as a very fun place to learn new skills and spend time with my friends and family. I really hope that children continue to have that opportunity.
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There was on Sep 17, 2013 at 5:24 am
yukon 1973 ... there was and that was City Council's vote earlier NOT to fund. They were elected by you to make decisions and they did. So the only thing you missed is how the democratic process works
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yukon1973 on Sep 17, 2013 at 2:51 am
Where are you people getting your notion that the taxpayers don't support funding the hill?
Do you just feel that your opinions must represent the majority, or was there some public consultation that I missed?
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Bad call on Sep 12, 2013 at 4:11 pm
The snowboarders and skiers of this community insist on ridiculous deals on all their sporting goods that businesses can barely afford to carry their equipment. It's insanity, and I know first hand. Initially I had supported the idea of "the hill" but now no. This needs to stop. There are far more important issues my money should go towards. And far more work should be done on the sima supporters side, start fundraising properly or shut your ski pole!!!
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Kristy Lerch on Sep 11, 2013 at 12:48 pm
I am a member of the short term fundraising group of the Friends of Mount Sima. I want to address a few misconceptions that have been raised on this comment stream. First, everything is different going forward. The new society that will be running the hill is a completely new group, with members that are not from the GNSS. Together with pass pledges and corporate and individual donations we have raised upwards of 350,000 (and counting) from the people of Whitehorse in ONE month. The new board of directors of our society are a very business oriented and professional group. For every person on our board of directors, there are 7-10 additional motivated volunteers like me who will get the job done. You can be confident in our ability to run the hill. Look at what we have accomplished in only one month.
Second, as a result of the amazing support the people of Whitehorse have shown and are continuing to show (we are getting new pledges of support every day) we only need the City to partner with us and provide only 20% of operating revenue. Many city recreational facilities receive much more than that. And many of these facilities are not used by all taxpayers.
If you want more details about what is going on, and our new group you are welcome to read detailed information at www.mountsima.com.
Finally a word on whether all taxpayers support Mount Sima. No recreational facility in Whitehorse is used or supported by all taxpayers: Are golf courses accessible for everyone? Not everyone can afford to pay 50.00 to golf. Is hockey accessible to everyone? Is figure skating accessible to everyone? 1 of 2 users of the Canada Games Centre is subsidized by the city. Is cross country skiing accessible to everyone? Many of these recreational facilities are subsidized in some way either through YG or City of Whitehorse. Mount Sima is just as accessible as these other sports.
If we expected golf courses, recreation centres, ice arenas, soccer fields, baseball fields and cross country ski facilities, to name a few, to be purely run as private enterprise, we wouldn't have any. All of these to some degree are subsidized with municipal tax dollars. They help shape a community and attract and retain people in the city, including your doctor, your hairdresser, your mechanic, your teacher and your physiotherapist to name a few. Everyone benefits from having a broad base of recreational facilities in their municipality.
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B. Foster on Sep 11, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Most excellent news!
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Give me a break on Sep 11, 2013 at 8:27 am
Give me a break.
No plan, no financial statments, just a request for cash and a promise they will not be back for more.
Is the board going to resign?
What happened to 'opening the books' and getting the business sector involved.
Let me be the first to say this "The emperor has no clothes".
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bobby bitman on Sep 11, 2013 at 7:46 am
Curious says: "am DYING to know who is on the list of creditors owed…particularly those who are local."
I am 100% with you on this. I have a suspicion of who one of those local co's is, and not talking about the Hougens. There is a certain business with their fingers in every government slush fund pie.
Anyway, we have the right to know and all this laundry should be thoroughly aired since the hill continues to demand more, and more, and more. $400 thousand so far this year after being told they would get zip. And they want $200 more. For now.
Where can we get our hands on this info? Who was owed what, and for what work?
There is so much secrecy surrounding Mt. Sima and its GNSS board. Who were the managers? What was their pay? Are they going to be invited back? Is anyone from the old board on the new board?
I want to see the hill open. I want it to succeed. But not at the cost of having another money pit for incompetence and greed. The public needs to know what is going on and I would be happy to look it up if I knew where to look.
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Joel on Sep 11, 2013 at 5:26 am
So they are basically still looking for their $600 000 and nothing has changed even after their big pledge drive.
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Jackie Ward on Sep 11, 2013 at 4:20 am
Let me break this down in DUMMY terms. Oh we are negative are we? #1 The hill is a private business. #2 The reason people are pissed off is because the people who run this hill have no clue of what they are doing. 600 or 700 people is a very small portion of the population. When taxes keep going up and up year after year, with a reduction of ESSENTIAL city services, well yeah we have a reason to complain. I would rather have that money go to clearing our roads in the winter. You know, all of our safety? Your children's safety? Do you care? No. The best you guys can fathom now is attacking the people who are sick and tired of listening to this failed hill, beg and beg for money when they don't deserve a dime of public funds. Maybe you don't want to see reality, here it is for you in kiddy terms. THE MAJORITY OF TAX PAYERS IN THE TOWN DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT THIS HILL. You call it being negative? I call that reality.
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Robert on Sep 10, 2013 at 11:33 pm
The majority of residents in Whitehorse do not want to support Mt. Sima through our taxes. It's great that over 700 people signed up for a seasons pass to the ski hill. If the cost of the seasons pass was $800 then they wouldn't need taxpayers money as they would have around $500,000. Seems like the only fair way to solve this issue is to have a binding referendum.
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Josey Wales on Sep 10, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Yes June, it is not only possible...but most probable. What I/you feel in regards to double speak is most certainly the "root cause" at the Sima sinkhole, but hmmmm...the machine of ineptness hums along.
I think these days our governments are more suited to socialism than a democracy. Taxes? Many in "The Machine" feel it is their responsibility to "redistribute" the peoples wealth to those feeling entitled to it. Why is there a loooooooooong list of special interest groups feeding as remora's off our FORCED taxes? Some of those groups do good things, many do good things for themselves and their pals.
Heads up for everyone...things are not slowing down, they HAVE slowed down...private sector economy that is.
OK I digressed...as per!
CoW & YG...let the Sima sinkhole be history waaaaay to costly for its benefits.
Yeah...we really need to have a ski hill, perhaps that is why this place is the re-offenders and up and coming felons? Because they cannot get out to ski....WTFE!
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Clive Wailing on Sep 10, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Can't believe they are even discussing this - what happened to "we have no money"?
Even worse is YTG committing money contingent on CoW giving money too...political blackmail. YTG wants to be the "good guy" by dumping this on CoW. I expect to see my territorial tax rates lowered if YTG has cash to throw away on ski hills...if they think they can buy good will after the Peel fiasco, they must think Yukoners are dumber than dirt.
Also, since when is selling 700+ DISCOUNT passes raising money for the ski hill. Dang, I better jump in on the discount instead of paying full prices when (not if) the government big boys' club decides it's safe for them to pile on the cash.
Yeah, Sima supporters, way to support your ski hill by giving yourselves a discount pass...we've asked you to put your money where your mouth is but apparently it's easier to put your hand into the back pocket of government.
By the way, Sima supporters have stated that the hill will never be self sustaining so YTG is only kicking the can down the road by supporting it for 3 years - next election platform?
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Sam Fidler on Sep 10, 2013 at 2:26 pm
yukoner
We have heard all these negative comments over and over again. Why not offer support or something constructive.
There is a new group, Friends of Mount Sima which see the value in keeping this exceptional facility going.
So please, take your demeaning comments elsewhere. A few hundred thousand dollars annually from city and government is really nothing.
On a sunny day the parking lot is overflowing- lets support SIMA, lets find the balance between business and efficient operation, and city/government support.
If you cannot offer constructive comments, go watch TV.
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Curious on Sep 10, 2013 at 11:07 am
"Rob Fendrick, the city's director of corporate services, said the city has seen the detailed list of the $254,000 which was owed as of Aug. 1. That includes money owed both locally and Outside from both the winter and the short-lived (in 2012 and until it closed on July 2, 2013) summer operations."
I am DYING to know who is on the list of creditors owed...particularly those who are local. I wonder if that information were made public whether people would still be interested in supporting this ever-increasingly suspect fiasco.
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Max Mack on Sep 10, 2013 at 10:58 am
Let me see if I have this right . . .
CoW coughed up $200k to pay the remaining debt on the chair lift.
YTG has coughed up $200k to pay for other debts (payments which CoW will handle -- thus, the expenses will show up on CoW's books so expect another tax increase?).
Now this "new" group has asked for an additional $200k in funding for the immediate season.
So, the combined figure is 600k. And that doesn't include future funding.
I just shake my head.
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yukon1973 on Sep 10, 2013 at 10:58 am
Know what I'm sick of? The same 4 or 5 posters spewing constant negativity at a facility that obviously has a lot of community support. Back away from the computer and go do something with your lives.
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June Jackson on Sep 10, 2013 at 8:16 am
I am very suspicious of GNSS aka Friends of Mt. Sima, coming to the City yet again for more money. The Council has said NO publicly 5 times..but there is GNSS back again.. Why is that? Is Council saying one thing publicly and another thing privately? I have felt all along that rich friends protect and promote rich friends and that secret agreements to fund Sima have already been struck. I waited for someone on Council to post a rebuttal.. for someone to say, Hey June, are you seeing conspiracy theories now??? but no one did..
I hope this council is aware that for everyone of you that votes yes, you are putting your political future on the line for it.
Ever the optimist..I am hoping Council sticks to their "we have no money" and pushes Sima quietly into the night..
I'm really sick of this BS.
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I'm pissed on Sep 10, 2013 at 8:13 am
... OMG are we surprised that everyone is caving in ... when does "no" mean "no" ... those 700+ pledges mean bunkus ... show me the real money.
It just goes to show the influence of a certain family ... all at tax payer expense.
If this council gives any money then none of them have my vote at the next election
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Jackie Ward on Sep 10, 2013 at 7:49 am
Mayor Curtis, I'm sending my personal bills to you. You and this council are a joke. So is YTG.
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yukoner on Sep 10, 2013 at 7:35 am
What the hell is wrong with this city and government let this hill die. If you keep giving it more money then they just keep asking for more money. We as tax payers have said no more. Is there something wrong with your head? I think we as tax payers that don't want more money spent there, should ask the mayor to resign. This clown is worse then Bev I didn't think that was possible.