Photo by Whitehorse Star
CADET STANDS GUARD – Cpl. Andrew Smyth stands vigil at the cenotaph in November 2014.
Photo by Whitehorse Star
CADET STANDS GUARD – Cpl. Andrew Smyth stands vigil at the cenotaph in November 2014.
The city could be soon seeking federal funds to move the cenotaph now on Second Avenue to the Pioneer Cemetery.
The city could be soon seeking federal funds to move the cenotaph now on Second Avenue to the Pioneer Cemetery.
The proposal was put forward at Monday’s city council meeting.
Doug Hnatiuk, the city’s manager of parks and community development, brought forward a report recommending council apply for Canada 150 funding.
That federal initiative for capital community projects provides 75 per cent of the costs, up to a maximum of $500,000.
The fund was announced in May. It’s in place to celebrate the nation’s 150th birthday in 2017, with projects under Canada 150 required to be completed no later than July 2018.
Of the $150 million that will be available through the fund, a total of $6.4 million is for projects in the three territories. It will be doled out as they are approved, essentially on a first-come first-served basis, Hnatiuk told council.
Earlier this month, the Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency contacted the city about the funding opportunity “and requested a submission from the City of Whitehorse as soon as possible to ensure meeting federal budget timelines for the available funds.”
A council and senior management meeting followed where six potential projects were looked at and ranked using an evaluation method “to provide for an objective recommendation based on the city’s strategic planning goals and objectives and the criteria outlined in the Canada 150 funding guidelines.
“The criteria included the funding program vision, strategic fit, community impact and feasibility.”
As Hnatiuk explained, the Whitehorse branch of the Royal Canadian Legion has been leading the charge and working with the city on the possible relocation of the cenotaph with involvement from the Yukon Order of Pioneers and other organizations.
Public meetings about the potential relocation were held a few months ago, he noted after last night’s meeting.
With an estimated cost of $666,750, the project stands to receive up to the maximum of $500,000 from the federal fund .
If funding is approved, it’s anticipated the project would be done in 2016.
At least one councillor, however, does not believe funding to celebrate Canada’s 150 birthday should be used for the cenotaph project.
Coun. Betty Irwin emphasized she meant no disrespect to the project itself in her opposition to seeking Canada 150 funds for it.
She pointed out the purpose of the federal fund is to mark the nation’s 150th birthday.
She argued creating something for future generations to celebrate – a trail, for example – is more important for this funding opportunity than “navel-gazing” to the past.
In an interview following last night’s meeting, Mayor Dan Curtis stressed he realizes not everyone on council agrees with seeking the Canada 150 funds for the project.
The current cenotaph, however, is “not adequate” in its current location, he said.
That’s due to the noise and heavy traffic on Second Avenue and the lack of space when there is a ceremony or event at it.
As well, planned building consolidation will see a new building on the same land that city hall and the downtown fire hall are on.
So, Curtis pointed out, the city will have to decide what it plans for the cenotaph on the steps between the fire hall and city hall.
“It’s something we have to do anyway,” he said.
The Pioneer Cemetery area at Sixth Avenue and Wood Street would be a more appropriate and quieter spot for the cenotaph that would honour Whitehorse veterans, Curtis said.
A number of veterans are buried in the Pioneer Cemetery, he noted.
Council will vote on whether to apply for the funding next week.
The proposal to relocate the cenotaph had the highest ranking with regard to the federal program’s criteria.
The other projects, in the order ranked, are:
• the downtown south paved trail;
• Mt. McIntyre paved trail;
• development of the Point Park; and
• improvements to Schwatka Lake and the Rock the River project which have been ongoing for a number of years at the intake of the Yukon River.
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Comments (19)
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Mark S on Jul 25, 2015 at 2:19 pm
Josey Wales (a little humour for you)
Another consideration for mayor and council is that the final location for the Cenotaph should be linked to the city's sustainability plan and have MMU trail access. This is motorized multi-use trail access that will allow people on quads and side by sides to ride from their home anywhere in town to the Cenotaph for celebrations and private visits.
This supports accessibility and diversity for the Wilderness City trails. Not everyone can walk around town - and that is so 1950 and 1960ish. The city also needs to change legislation to allow children under the age of 16 to get around on the streets and trails with their ATVs and snow machines. This may be under consideration? Young people, older veterans and those with mobility issues will need to ride their trail bikes and quads to the Cenotaph.
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Josey Wales on Jul 23, 2015 at 8:30 am
Max...that is a GREAT point! Mind you the legion had zip to do with that.
Still a great point and if the grey matter in their heads in that castle of nobles is online...maybe they too will get it.
The last word "wow" says volumes.
Perhaps we should fill city hall at meeting time and every time something completely ridiculous is "brought forward" we can in harmony go...wow.
They can pass a by-law forbidding "free expression" as you know the fools would.
Wilderness City? Nah village of idiots, run by idiots for decades now.
For shame as we let this morph.
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Legion leading the charge? on Jul 22, 2015 at 6:29 pm
I'd be surprised to learn that this was the Legion folks' idea. More likely is that they were approached by City, told the cenotaph has to be moved, and asked to take part in the process. I'd like to hear from the Legion as to what their role and thoughts are.
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CJ on Jul 22, 2015 at 6:22 pm
@Resident
I take that with a grain of salt, that the Royal Canadian Legion has been "leading the charge". If they come out and say so, I'll stand corrected. But they could be making the best of a situation. Maybe they were only asked their opinion on what site it should be moved to, not whether it should be moved at all.
If it has to be moved, what about the SS Klondike? I think there's some memorial there already. Or one of the waterfront parks. They're not necessarily located in secluded places, I am pretty sure about that. Nothing against Pioneer Cemetery, but something tells me cenotaphs might merit a "can't miss it" location.
I dislike the way the City of Whitehorse has this "take no prisoners" approach to their developments. And the comments by councillors are a little startling. Sometimes I think this city has no soul.
And by the way, this building consolidation is really happening? How very "let them eat cake".
Also, $666,000? Heed the red flag, councillors!
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Resident on Jul 22, 2015 at 2:31 pm
Not agreeing or disagreeing one way or the other, but the article states that, "...the Royal Canadian Legion has been leading the charge and working with the city on the possible relocation...".
This isn't an idea pulled straight out of Council's butt.
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north_of_60 on Jul 22, 2015 at 1:45 pm
The Mayor & Council appear to find the moral values the Cenotaph represents to be inconsistent with their idea of City Hall, so they will happily spend our tax dollars to move it out of their sight. Some people in the techno-commerce world don't like being reminded about the importance of freedom and integrity.
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Max Mack on Jul 22, 2015 at 12:48 pm
So, City Council approved having a monument to their "heroic" firefighters erected in a highly visible location in the downtown core - but want to move the Cenotaph to a more obscure location.
Wow.
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Mark S on Jul 22, 2015 at 12:15 pm
Seriously
Where do we have Canada day celebrations, and Rendezvous events with military bands? What rink is seldom used?
Let's put it in the area inside the rink near the Fireweed market. This is a quiet area with parking and the river and trails nearby. Major events are held in this area and its within walking distance of the downtown core.
Put it in a Cemetary? That's a little odd and not appropriate.
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Josey Wales on Jul 22, 2015 at 9:41 am
I say build a new wee utilitarian city hall in pooville and get it AWAY from the cenotaph.
Leave it right where it is as it represents values diametric to the nobles in that hall-O-fools.
Those represented on said cenotaph worked hard for and made the ultimate sacrifice to ensure we remain a free place rid of tyranny.
The nobles on the other hand...well I'll let your personal experiences determine whether how hard they work...if they do. Look at the incremental creep on our many many civic "rules" and FORCED taxation via wealth redistribution schemes, absolute unaccountability of any civic lords or their minions.
City hall values and the cenotaph have ABSOLUTELY nothing in common.
I come from military and I can safely say our fallen hero's (many not all) would be pissed to know how WE pissed it away.
...our freedoms and independence and locally here?
Zero was learned from our own roads traveled.
Bad ideas are not haircuts, often they cannot just grow out.
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Spend some $$ to update it instead on Jul 21, 2015 at 7:32 pm
I can't imagine that it would cost $667,000 to move the cenotaph - wouldn't it make more sense to build a new one, and include more recent dates - for example, Afghanistan, where at least 2 Whitehorse residents have been engaged?
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A response we'll never see on Jul 21, 2015 at 7:29 pm
"Thank you federal taxpayers, but we believe in fiscal responsibility, and taking $500,000 in federal funds for any project is just not prudent. After all, it's all hard-earned taxpayers' money" Ha, just kidding - this City council would never say that
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It's about the new City Building, not the cenotaph on Jul 21, 2015 at 7:27 pm
"As well, planned building consolidation will see a new building on the same land that city hall and the downtown fire hall are on.So, Curtis pointed out, the city will have to decide what it plans for the cenotaph on the steps between the fire hall and city hall." Federal taxpayers can belly up for $500,000 leaving $166,000 for Whitehorse taxpayers to come up with - to move the cenotaph that wouldn't have to be moved if this mayor and council and administration didn't insist on new facilities for City. Just when I thought it couldn't get any crazier at City Hall ....
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CJ you are right on Jul 21, 2015 at 6:59 pm
War vets would want only to remember them not spend money for no good purpose. Dan Curtis I will give the facts on my family and how many served in both wars and what the results were like for most east coast families. I come from a a family with a lot of kids, 15 on one side five in my dad's family and 12 in my grandmothers family on and on..
I find it so disrespectful of anyone who does not understand vets.
I remember going back to our camps when I was a kid and having my family members and friends who spent time in war and how bad it was.
Sandy you know the situation.
I had an uncle Earl Carter who was on a ship next to a Canadian ship of war that had its up deck hit by shells and the officers were killed so my uncle was transferred to the other ship to serve as an officer at age of 19 years old. When he was transferred the ship that he was on was hit by two rounds of a shells.
My uncle had four friends two were killed. My uncle tried to save his friend but he told my uncle to let him go and save himself which he had no choice but to do. He served and lived to be 78 years old and was buried at sea.
So anyone wanting proof go on line and look up Richard Earl Carter from Meldford Nova Scotia.
I can give you facts about what people face for years, the same as the middle east. I have many pieces about what war does.
I am a information person that understands the message of the true facts of life.
I wish more would in today's society.
If anyone wants to understand what war does to people look at the Halifax exposition and you will get an understanding of the worse piece of damage done to Canadians on Canadian soil ever in our history. Lest we forget?
Wilf Carter
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Thomas I agree vets would want this on Jul 21, 2015 at 6:25 pm
Thomas I agree vets would want this of public money
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Thomas Brewer on Jul 21, 2015 at 4:30 pm
$666,000 to move this?
What an insane proposition. Do something constructive with that money. The cenotaph is fine where it is.
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CJ on Jul 21, 2015 at 3:58 pm
Gosh, I don't know that I agree with Dan Curtis that the cenotaph "isn't adequate" in its current location. Maybe it's the other way around. Every time I go by I'm reminded of World War I and the soldiers. I don't think that's such a bad thing.
It might be pretty common to find cenotaphs placed at city halls. If the old City Hall in Toronto hasn't found it's location "inadequate" for its cenotaph, maybe Whitehorse needs to think about this.
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Navy Child on Jul 21, 2015 at 3:34 pm
Betty just lost my vote, by saying or calling the moving of the cenotaph "“navel-gazing” seriously get a grip on yourself. Thank a solider for their time and their lives given so you and the rest of Canada can sit around and enjoy your freedom! Navel-Gazing, more like Council-Grazing!
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From a family of war vets on Jul 21, 2015 at 3:33 pm
From a family of war vets a cemetery is not a place to remember war vets
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Yukon 56 on Jul 21, 2015 at 3:32 pm
I have 2 brothers laid to rest in the Pioneer Cemetery who are part of the Lost Graves. I welcome the cenotaph move