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Health Minister Pauline Frost

Frost’s acceptance of report called ‘pre-emptive’

The Yukon’s doctors are “surprised and disappointed” by a government promise to overhaul the territory’s health system without proper consultation, according to the Yukon Medical Association (YMA).

By Gabrielle Plonka on August 18, 2020

The Yukon’s doctors are “surprised and disappointed” by a government promise to overhaul the territory’s health system without proper consultation, according to the Yukon Medical Association (YMA).

Last Thursday, Health Minister Pauline Frost committed to implementing all of the recommendations laid out in an independent review of the Yukon’s health and social services.

“The doctors of Yukon are very concerned about the announcement to accept all 76 recommendations contained in the report without properly consulting first with the YMA,” Dr. Ryan Warshawski, the acting YMA president, said in a statement his morning.

The 207-page Putting People First report, released last May, provides a road map for improving health and social services in the Yukon.

The recommendations include a plan for establishing a network of polyclinics and changing doctors’ payment structures. 

The report envisions that the Yukon’s current system of private doctor’s clinics will be replaced with the polyclinic network, managed by the territorial government.

“Many of these recommendations will have a direct impact on the lives and livelihoods of all Yukoners, not just doctors, and we have not yet had a chance to discuss the implications of the report with the government,” Warshawski said.

The YMA says a joint committee between its organization and the government to review the recommendations was recently established. That committee met a few days before last Thursday’s announcement.

The government’s plan to publicly accept all the recommendations wasn’t communicated at that meeting, the press release said.

The YMA is currently compiling perspectives on the report from the Yukon’s doctors.

“We have been consulting with our members and preparing a detailed critique of the expert panel report and its recommendations as it relates to health care which we had planned to share with the government as a basis for future discussions,” Warshawski said.

The YMA will still present this analysis to the government. 

Katharine Smart, the YMA’s president, told the Star last May she envisioned doctors gradually transitioning into new ways of practice as the report’s recommendations were implemented.

She noted that some doctors would likely be on board with the changes, while others prefer traditional methods.

The change in payment structure, for example, would signify a major change for Yukon doctors.

In the current system, doctors are paid according to how many clients they see every day. 

The Putting People First report noted that some Yukoners feel rushed through doctor’s appointments. The change in payment structure was recommended as a possible fix for that problem.

Smart said alternative payment structures could pay physicians an hourly or daily rate, relaxing the desire to see as many clients in one day as possible.

Smart said last May that doctors needed to be at the discussion table before the recommendations could be implemented.

“There’s a recommended shift here…. What does that mean for physicians, what is the impact on individual doctors, how does that get taken into consideration moving forward?” Smart said.

“There is still a lot of work to be done in defining those relationships, looking at the impact, figuring out how and who we all move forward together.”

Today’s YMA release called Frost’s acceptance of the recommendations “pre-emptive” and urged the government to undertake better consultation.

“The YMA notes that it has a longstanding positive relationship with the Yukon government but that this can only be maintained if there is trust and open communications between both sides,” the press release stated.

The YMA says it’s committed to helping implement the recommendations with the best interests of patients, families and caregivers in mind.

“Experiences elsewhere in Canada have demonstrated that effective primary care reform – the core element of the expert panel proposals – is only achieved if the medical association and frontline physicians are closely involved in the process,” Warshawski said.

The Putting People First report’s recommendations also include:

• the creation of Wellness Yukon, a broad-sweeping organization delivering services and managing Yukon’s hospitals; 

• increasing the use of virtual care; 

• doubling the medical travel subsidy;

• expanding vaccine programming; 

• enhancing First Nations programming; and

• providing fully-funded early childhood education.

Frost said Thursday that some of the recommendations, like early childhood learning, doubling the travel subsidy, implementing 1Health and expanding the vaccine program are already underway.

The larger systemic shifts, like the polyclinic and establishment of Wellness Yukon, will take more time, Frost said, though she called the establishment of the polyclinics a priority for her department.

Comments (19)

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Groucho d'North on Aug 22, 2020 at 9:31 am

@Oya,
I agree completely, It's a simple thing to make the stipend more in line with helping Yukoners to better participate in our national Universal Healthcare System, (Yes I snicker when I hear that too). I would like to see this financial benefit reassessed annually so that it is more in tune with what things really cost. Kinda like how the YG reviews and adjusts their per diem program regularly. It should at least be adjusted for the Carbon Tax.

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Doug Tutty on Aug 22, 2020 at 2:16 am

People seem to equate "poly-clinic" with something like a "walk-in clinic" where you see any odd physician. On the one hand, one problem is that we don't have details, but on the other at least the details aren't already set in stone. Currently, there may be a clinic with a few docs who share the overhead. One view of "poly-clinic" may be those same docs in a facility provided by the government (so the doc's professional expenses are lower with no overhead) and paid directly with a different fee schedule (whether salary, hourly wage, whatever).
Since long-term health costs go down with better preventative care, having a poly-clinic with other health providers (e.g. dietitian, nurse, etc.) can make a lot of sense. Nothing in the report suggests that the relationship between the individual and their physician will change; you would still make an appointment to see your own doc, if you need the doc. Some appointments may be better with the nurse (e.g. update vaccinations) or even a nurse-practitioner (e.g. review and renew existing prescriptions), leaving more time for physicians to provide care that needs a physician, and perhaps allowing for longer appointment times.

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EJ on Aug 21, 2020 at 11:09 pm

@Salt

Yes you are more or less correct I would say and no better example of that than the disastrous Peel Plan which the Yukon Party (specifically Minister Currie Dixon) tried to force down Yukoners throats. Naturally this ended up with a major lawsuit and endless fighting with First Nations. Hence the nickname for the Yukon Party which I've heard many times = the 'Yukon Lawsuit Party'. We need a brand new party in Yukon which will actually conduct real consultations me thinks!

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Martin on Aug 21, 2020 at 9:39 pm

@BnR; you're right. I can see a parallel with the "stable genius" down south, that started "fixing" the P.O. before a general election, during a pandemic with people needing their meds. No difference, I see.

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Oya on Aug 21, 2020 at 9:08 am

@ Groucho - I agree with you 100% except.... the increase to the travel subsidy should be put into place immediately. The amount of the increase can be debated in the next round to see if it is adequate or not (especially given the increases in everything that Covid will bring). But that increase was needed long, long ago and should be implemented immediately, imo.

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Wilf Carter on Aug 21, 2020 at 12:03 am

Folks I have health care workers in my family and this was tried in Europe but dropped for the following reasons:
> If you don't see your family doctor that knows your case history and you see a new doctor that has to go through your file to come up with some kind of history to determine your health needs based on past and present, then you will not get the quality of care you need. Proven fact elsewhere.
> We will lose all our good doctors and they will go somewhere else to practice medicine.
> Paying doctors salaries instead of the present system will take down the quality of health care we Yukoners are receiving now. Proven elsewhere.
> Doctors are high quality professional people who do their best for all of us.
> If you are trying to cut costs directors, Assistant DM's and DM in Yukon government make more then most doctors.
> Pauline do not do it. It's not good to change how doctors operate in Yukon.
> Ask Sandy he has two brother's that are doctors.
> Trudeau wants to bring in massive changes to social programs in Canada and this is some of his plans.
> all doctor work is controlled by the state like in China and there will be one network of doctors lives controlled by elected government.
> Remember Trudeau going after the doctors 2 years after he got elected.
> There will be one national medical system controlled by federal government and the Yukon is a test case because our liberal MP does what he is told to do.
> Sandy don't do this. You know it is wrong!!!

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Common cents on Aug 20, 2020 at 8:14 pm

In the last election the Liberals were given a majority government by the Yukon voters. That is their mandate to govern and this issue falls under governing. Just imagine what the cons would be doing if they had a majority, look what they tried to pull the last time they lied to the Yukon public.

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Yukon Eddie on Aug 19, 2020 at 8:56 pm

Don't screw with our health system Madam Frost. Wait till the Legislature is open for business. The Libs will pay the price in the next election.

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Ninni on Aug 19, 2020 at 7:09 pm

Yes, a total disaster!
Frost is way in above her head, seeing this in Health and Social Services being a big disaster. Hear it is no more better than down south, home care and seniors centres are questionable with care, hearing from community. What I have heard and seen prior to COVID was not great but can imagine now. All for the paycheques but lax on peoples needs and care.
Shame on govt staff in these positions not supporting rightful care and collecting big salaries - it's all about friendships. A new broom sweeps clean. Ask public on their care and thought - not just do.
Housing .....let's not go there either!

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Cameron on Aug 19, 2020 at 6:12 pm

Why are so many people leaving the Yukon ????? I will tell you why. They want to go to a place where there is not a dictatorship making all these decisions, spending money on reports to spend more money to fix it the way they want it. People, the liberals make decision after decision that makes no sense and costs us millions.

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Beth the Bosun's daughter on Aug 19, 2020 at 5:29 pm

I have only a rudimentary understanding of this proposal. If anyone thinks that people will give up their personal relationship with their Dr. then that person is dreaming. No consultation will also not fly far. It would be political suicide to just barge ahead with implementation. Be so advised.

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Kathy on Aug 19, 2020 at 2:46 pm

Just another example of this sham democracy; acting unilaterally and in secrecy. As in their refusal to submit to court challengers data, statistics, models, expert advice sought when arbitrarily deciding to shut the territory down. This strongly suggests they don’t have any.

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Salt on Aug 19, 2020 at 1:18 pm

@DMZ
The recommendations are so often accepted because the consultation process is designed to provide the answers they want. It provides a facade for the gov to do as it wishes and pretend it is the general public’s wishes.

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Groucho d'North on Aug 19, 2020 at 8:58 am

The Liberals do not have a mandate from the electorate to modify our health system. Save it for the next election, that will provide a year to explain how what they want to do is a good idea and how it will be an improvement on what we have today.

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BnR on Aug 19, 2020 at 7:28 am

Great time to start an overhaul of the health system, during a pandemic, and just prior to the fall when most are predicting a second wave.
Yessir, great timing Libs.

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Donovan on Aug 19, 2020 at 5:47 am

Are we in a communist state? The actions and comments from this Ministers office with Mr. Silvers blessing, sure make it seem so. No Ms Frost, we the taxpayers. do not have to accept your "bright ideas". Ms. Frost has no clue what reality in the Yukon is. But she will learn come the next election. Bye Liberal power!!!

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Matthew on Aug 19, 2020 at 5:41 am

Seems about right... Pauline Frost is lost at sea, but that's exactly what happens when she has too many ships to captain.. she CAN'T put all her effort into one! Health Services and Yukon housing is clearly a massive mess with only her to blame! Ask yourself, are you a journeyman mechanic and a journeyman electrician? If so are you doing both jobs at the same time? Mechanic in AM and Electrican by PM!? Exactly, NO! So why is she?

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DMZ on Aug 18, 2020 at 9:54 pm

Why are all the recommendations of a committee adopted so often? It's not like there's a handful. This one has 74, I think. Wouldn't it be kind of normal for a political organization to examine them and say, this we can do, this one not so much. But these things are accepted wholesale, like there couldn't possibly be any problem with any of the hundred or so in a report. It's almost like nobody reads them, just tells the public they'll do 'em.

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Jake The Bosun on Aug 18, 2020 at 4:38 pm

Once again; we are handed solutions to problems that only the governing bureaucracy has, while the actual issues are ignored or justified as secondary importance.

This is only the latest example and I'm beginning to believe these illogical and arbitrary actions are only symptoms of the bigger disease. The people we elect may not be able to achieve change, the Yukon Government has become so big, so self serving, so entrenched, that change might be impossible if governance continues like it is.
I see public opposition to bad decisions, outrage and frustration, but no one wants to look deeper. Perhaps we need more patience with those we elect (no matter what label they carry), and less with the mandarins who are actually running this show ? I would be interested in other ideas.

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