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FireSmart creating jobs for Outsiders: contractor

A local contractor is taking aim at the territory’s FireSmart program for favouring Outside companies over Yukoners.

By Aimee O'Connor on February 26, 2016

A local contractor is taking aim at the territory’s FireSmart program for favouring Outside companies over Yukoners.

Russ Hobbis, owner of Bilsten Creek Tree Service, has worked on FireSmart programs for about 13 years.

“This year is the first year there’s been companies from outside the Yukon doing FireSmart,” Hobbis said in a recent interview.

The FireSmart program, funded by the Yukon government, puts together a series of projects that reduce the threat of wildfires to Yukon communities.

As Community Services Minister Currie Dixon said last year, it “puts local contractors to work reducing the buildup of the brush and deadfall that helps wildfires spread in community greenbelts.”

In 2014, Hobbis recalled bidding on and winning five FireSmart projects – which gave his staff work from the end of September to the end of March.

But last year, things changed.

“There were Outside companies that (took) contracts from Yukon companies,” he said.

The one that hit hardest for Hobbis was in Tagish, which he had been working on for two years.

The winning company was High Light Utilities Inc., a company based out of Nanaimo, B.C. The project was worth $45,000.

The loss caused Hobbis to cut his crew in half, and they finished work by the end of January.

“It was a huge hit,” he said.

The projects are government-funded and regulated, but in the case of the community work, it is the community associations that ultimately choose who will complete the work.

“They’re the ones that actually do the hiring,” Wildland Fire Management director Mike Etches told the Star.

“We work with them to develop their projects (and) give advice. They’re the ones that enter into contracts.”

This was echoed by FireSmart co-ordinator Colin Urquhart in a separate interview.

Urquhart explained that the government will tender each project.

Then, once potential bidders have placed their bids, they are compiled and given to the respective community association.

“The community association will look at the potential bidders and they’ll decide if they want to enter into a contract,” Urquhart explained.

He added that when the bids are collected, they are all taken and submitted to the community association – there is no vetting or weeding out.

“We don’t even open the bids,” he said.

“All we do is provide the funds to the community associations.”

But when calls were placed to the Tagish Community Association to get an explanation of why High Line Utilities Inc. was selected for last year’s FireSmart project, a different answer was given.

“It doesn’t have anything to do with the community association at all,” said Patrick Brown, the association’s assistant recreation director.

“The information I have is that the contracting out is done by Wildland Fire Management ... the money is distributed to our communities (and) then the contracting isn’t assigned from someone from Tagish.”

Though the wires seem to have gotten crossed at the association, both Etches and Urquhart insist the contracts are given at the association’s level.

Further calls to the Tagish Community Association went unanswered.

But Hobbis believes the choice to hire High Line Utilities Inc. was financial.

The B.C. company’s bidding price was “ridiculously lower” than what Bilsten Creek Tree Services bid, Hobbis said. It also brought up a pricey self-propelling wood chipper.

“This is a big company. No local companies can compete with that, nor should we have to,” he said.

“This program was designed to create work for Yukoners, not B.C.”

More than $13 million has been invested in 395 FireSmart projects across Yukon over the last 16 years.

FireSmart funding is available to First Nations and municipal governments, registered non-profit organizations, community associations and school councils.

In 2015, 25 projects received funding.

Comments (27)

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Craig on Mar 15, 2018 at 7:30 pm

Think firesmart is definitely needed and the work should stay in Yukon but the wood should go to charity or people that absolutley need it not friends or those with two or three houses and on top of that they burn it before drying for couple seasons and those with breathing issues suffer

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Bob Swart on May 1, 2017 at 5:22 pm

Good day all readers,

FireSmart is a proven concept and application...the other consideration at hand is that homeowners themselves need take further responsibility for their own properties and homes...as should fire departments and local governments in spending taxpayers money...newer concepts and technology provide best support towards FireSmart principles such as the usage of specialized wildland fire sprinklers and wildfire sprinkler trailers...for your review if interested:

www.spiedr.com
Thank you in advance and all stay safe

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Mark on Mar 2, 2016 at 6:59 pm

@woodcutter - Anyone with a chainsaw and a pickup can attempt to do business. Hobbis shows his ignorance with his whining.Thus why he is running as a Liberal and he will not get my vote.

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Jonathan Colby on Mar 2, 2016 at 12:36 pm

@b
You're right. The US is closer to fascism than capitalism, and we are their economic satellite, mimicking them to varying degrees. True capitalism doesn't work, and that's been known since the Depression.

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woodcutter on Mar 1, 2016 at 6:07 pm

@Yukon Lalaland
I never said they should not be able to bid on government contract's, I just said I don't feel sorry for Albertan's. To be positional I think every one should be able to bid on government contracts.

You're the one that thought it was wrong for me not to feel sorry for Albertans.
Which so far, you have not been able to convince me otherwise.

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b on Mar 1, 2016 at 4:51 pm

Onetomanybranchesonthewaydown... Capitalism by definition is "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state". This is a project funded by the government with regulations, so not exactly an example of capitalism.

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Yukon Lalaland on Mar 1, 2016 at 1:34 pm

Woodcutter, I hate to tell you this but you're talking to a born and raised Yukoner who's family has been here for a few generations. And I used to be a woodcutter, and I still say your original comment was ridiculous, entitled whining out of touch with reality, 'You pay extra to support Alberta?' Ha, ha, ha, you and the rest of us Yukoners don't even pay enough to marginally support Yukon let alone Alberta! You said 'The federal government supports the Yukon', where do you think that 'support' comes from? I'll tell you where, the pockets of every Canadian taxpayer including Albertans in a big, big way. You know those fellow Canadians who you don't think should be able to bid on government jobs up here that they as taxpayers paid for! From the looks of the up votes, I'd say most of us get that fact.

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woodcutter on Feb 29, 2016 at 10:09 pm

@ YukonLala land

You make me laugh so loud, Alberta has had more downs then ups in its long glorious period of self importance. In the early 80's it also tanked and the Yukon was still here. The latest boom in Alberta lasted about 10 years, and in that same time it ran down its real assets by 40+ billion dollars. Seems only Albertans thought oil prices would only go up, so why not spend the heritage fund, but I digress from the point.

The Yukon will be fine, now that the booms are pretty much an echo at this point, we will return back to the Yukon I have known for 30+ years. The federal government supports the Yukon in order to protect it's sovereignty of the Yukon. Without Yukoners, we would be called Americans, or perhaps Russians, since without Canada projecting it's sovereignty, and making it possible for about 33 000 Canadians to live here, they would come and occupy the jurisdiction.

It's just popular now, to feel sorry for the Albertans, however they built their own house on oil sands and hi priced oil. Don't worry poor little Albertans, oil prices will rise, maybe by 2020, then you can strut with your chest puffed out showing of your big drill rig. But in the meantime please stop crying on facebook, and stop blaming our new prime minister for your lack of foresight, and stop begging him for bailouts, he has already given you a billion dollars. It really makes you look like your sniveling.

And leave the protection of the North to us Yukoners, even tho the price of firewood is dropping, you don't hear us cry.

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Onetomanybranchesonthewaydown on Feb 29, 2016 at 8:05 pm

Slow down big guy, you have to get elected first before you can get insider help. You actually believe that you, the higher bidder should win the contract simply because you live here? That's poor value and against capitalism .Since you are running for Liberal party...I can see you'd fit right in with your way of thinking.
Time for you to step up and play with the other dogs in this neighbourhood called Canada.

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CJ on Feb 29, 2016 at 3:53 pm

This article doesn't say what the bid range was, just that it was worth $45,000. There's several local contractors in town that do it, so probably more than one company was under bid by High Line. For the wood chipper, I'm guessing for Bilsten Creek that's a huge purchase that can't be paid for with the number of jobs available to him. A B.C. company deals with more volume, so his prices can be low and the cost of equipment is probably spread out over many more than five jobs a year. People who don't work for themselves have an unrealistic view of the fairness of the tender process. It's pretty marginal up here.

There's all kinds of ways the government can maneuver people out. Asking for the wood to be chipped for example, which local contractors have found problematic. The community association is being used as a decoy here, though I agree, they don't always function as they should. But they might not have realized the company wasn't local.

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BnR on Feb 29, 2016 at 11:13 am

Ok, if you are bidding apples to apples, fine. But it's not a level playing field.
Outside companies are NOT paying what local companies are paying with respect to labor rates. Working in The Yukon is treated as a camp job by Southern companies. Ask around about FH Collins.
Pretty hard to compete against lower mainland or Kelowna labor rates.
And Wilf is referring to Ec Dev programs that only apply to contracts over $100K.

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Wundering on Feb 29, 2016 at 6:19 am

I believe, Yukon Electric (Atco), originally brought High Line Utilities into the territory to clear power line right of ways, they where bidding against local firms then. With all the trade agreements Yukon is signatory to, in this globalized world, they soon will have no local control.

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Yukon Lalaland on Feb 28, 2016 at 3:34 pm

@ Woodcutter. I don't even know where to start with your ridiculous comment. Paying for Albertans to support their extravagant lifestyle? Really now, how about Albertans and Canadians in general paying to support Yukoners extravagant lifestyle, Alberta taxes and royalties pay for everything from Yukoners health care, roads to the education system and now they can't bid on a piddly little Yukon job? Without Alberta and Canada's tax donations there would be no Yukon and no fighting over these government crumbs everyone's chasing, give your head a shake man!

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not just private enterprise in Yukon is suffering on Feb 28, 2016 at 2:05 pm

Here's one for you to ponder: I'm a long time Yukoner and I got a degree outside in the late 90's, accessed $25,000 from the Yukon grant and then couldn't even get a job interview in 1998! I complained to the government at the time (NDP) as they had a local hire policy. The superintendents were apt to pay $10,000 to have somebody from Eastern Canada relocate here and do the job I studied to do. Their answer: I didn't have experience. How are you supposed to get it if they just hire people from down south? Nobody had to pay me a relocation allowance to live here--this is my HOME!. We need a LOCAL HIRE POLICY again. Hire private local companies, teachers, nurses, home care workers, engineers, mechanics, etc. who are YUKONERS (not just here for 6 months). We as taxpayers fund their schooling through the Yukon grant. Shouldn't we get our money back (so to speak) by hiring them afterwards?
The YP is the old boys club--they are going to get slashed at election time. And I don't buy that this all falls on the Tagish Community Association--YP has done it to all of us, to the extent that some people don't even bother to apply for Yukon jobs as they know they will be screened out. Disgusting and not promoting financial growth and prosperity to our own locals.

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Alan Munson on Feb 27, 2016 at 7:30 pm

I think the community associations are provided with a list of potential contractors so it's up to Russ to take his grievance up with them.

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doitright on Feb 27, 2016 at 7:29 pm

I will put in a complaint to Tagish community Assoc. about hiring outsiders.
These Associations do not properly consult with community members about what's going on. We, the Tagish property owning tax payers, should decide on who gets these fire smart jobs. It's time to organize all those who don't want autocratic decision makers who incidentally have only just arrived.

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lowest bid wins on Feb 27, 2016 at 5:40 pm

What's wrong with lowest bid wins? Isn't that the way the Govt procurement office always promotes? If you can't compete, time to get more efficient, and start putting in a bit of effort with pricing. It bothers me that some people feel so entitled to win a YG contract just because they are from the Yukon and that's how it's always been.

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CJ on Feb 26, 2016 at 11:43 pm

I agree with yukoner, the government seems to be actively going out of their way to make it harder for locals to get work than people from elsewhere. From what I can figure, they seem to have hired outside consultants to screen applications for YTG jobs.

These guys don't get it, many of them are in positions they got from outside or shortly after they got here. Having been given the impression that they're desperately needed as the local workforce is so deficient, protests fall on deaf, entitled ears.

Nobody's doing rocket science here.

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woodcutter on Feb 26, 2016 at 10:03 pm

I couldn't care a tinkers damn about lost jobs in Alberta, it's not like anyone in Alberta cares about lost jobs in the Yukon.

I sure don't want to have to pay extra for a bunch of Albertans to support their extravagant life style. Did they really think the oil boom would last for ever? Never think of putting anything away for slow times?

OMG now I am starting to sound more conservation then Harper

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Chad on Feb 26, 2016 at 9:30 pm

Listen, if you read it right fire smart is to create jobs for Yukoners, not outside big corporation companies who don't care about making a lot of money because they just want enough to pay for the few people they have working in the north so expenses are covered. What fire smart has done doesn't follow the rules they have laid out.

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Fire-smart has always the community decision on who gets the work on Feb 26, 2016 at 6:04 pm

Outside companies can bid on Yukon project as we all have agreements to permit companies in Canada freely on projects. Yukon companies can go to BC and do work, which people are doing right now from the Yukon.
Also Hobbis is also not providing all the correct facts to bidding on this project or any project, that local firms can make application to Economic Development for money to cut labor costs and make his bid more competitive.
It sounds like the spec's were not written clear enough so a competitive bid could be made.

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Ragusa on Feb 26, 2016 at 6:01 pm

If u want to bid outside Yukon then it cuts both ways, did the outside bidder hire Yukon workers to do the work?

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moe on Feb 26, 2016 at 4:30 pm

Hey Jonathon, I'm enjoying my lower fuel costs. The Saudi's are correct. Why should they cut back production to keep their competition in Alberta in business? And I hope the people down there find new jobs in a real industry (one that can compete like everyone else has to), but ya, I guess the days of $200,000 a year for running a drill or driving a truck are probably over for a few people. I don't feel too bad about paying a couple thousand less a year for oil and gas, money that used to go to their overblown (to put it mildly) wages.

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Bobby Bitman on Feb 26, 2016 at 4:26 pm

Wait a minute. The 'outsider' had a bid that was 'ridiculously lower' in the words of the person with the co-responding ridiculously higher bid. He blames this at least in part on a self propelling chipper that he should not have to compete with.

Sounds like somebody has had it too good for too long. I can't believe I just read that.
I guess if Hobbis gets elected with his Liberal Party friends it will be back to business as usual because they'll fix this horrible injustice.

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Jonathan Colby on Feb 26, 2016 at 3:52 pm

I wonder if Madam Tsk Tsk feels that way about the lost jobs in Alberta's oilpatch. The Saudis can do more for less. Why should people from Canada expect the job to go to someone in Canada?

Capitalism works, if you ignore all the poor folk.

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Yukoner on Feb 26, 2016 at 3:48 pm

The Yukon government doesn't give one sh#$ about local business or keeping the money here anymore and they haven't for some time now and the city is following suit. You see it in their tenders and how they are awarded.

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Tsk, tsk... on Feb 26, 2016 at 3:45 pm

Well Monsieur Hobbis that is why we have a capitalist society. You are in business, the other guy is in business. He went head to head with you and beat your bid by a considerable amount. Yes it is fair. It means that there is more fire smart funds available in the pot. Just because you live here, which should give you an advantage regarding expenses, does not guarantee you the contract or any other contract.
Now of course with you running for the Liberals (which most likely due to your having a lip on) you can belly up to the pig trough along with all the other Liberals - should of course they win - which is unlikely.

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