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Feedback sought on both paper, plastic bag fee: YG

The Yukon government’s public engagement on a fee for single-use shopping bags could see both plastic and paper bags subject to it.

By Palak Mangat on April 8, 2019

The Yukon government’s public engagement on a fee for single-use shopping bags could see both plastic and paper bags subject to it.

Details of that would still need to be worked out, a spokeswoman said this afternoon.

Environment Yukon’s Erin Loxam confirmed today that plastic bags are likely to be targeted with the fee and paper bags are still being considered through its public survey that opened earlier this year.

Community Services Minister John Streicker delivered a ministerial statement in the legislature last week on a similar topic of solid waste.

“The proposed regulation would mean that when a consumer goes to buy their groceries without a reusable bag, they will need to pay a fee for a single-use paper or plastic bag,” Streicker told the legislature last Tuesday.

The following day, he was subject to questions from the Yukon Party.

The opposition noted that after it asked Environment minister Pauline Frost in March about whether the proposed surcharge would include paper bags, Frost had answered to her knowledge, that was not the case.

“I will have to get back to the member, but the discussion right now that we are having is on single-use plastics,” Frost said March 26 during committee of the whole discussions.

The Yukon Party’s Geraldine Van Bibber also pointed out last week the government had made no mention of a paper bag fee in its Feb. 25 release announcing the survey was open.

Speaking to the Star this afternoon, Loxam explained that much of the language that had been put out about the public engagement included references to “single-use bags,” which include both paper and plastic.

While there were no references made to paper bags in the Feb. 25 release, Loxam explained that once people click on the survey itself, there are questions about paper bag fees.

In fact, the first page that lays out some of the details of the survey notes that there has already been some support shown from the public for single-use paper and plastic products from engagements that took place in 2014 and 2018 on other recyclable items.

That survey also points out that about 14 per cent of plastic is collected for recycling worldwide, while non-recyclable plastics like single-use bags can take years to break down and end up in the environment (in forests, waterways, stomachs of birds and wildlife, etc.).

It explained that paper bags are less of a hazard because they can be burned, composted or recycled – even though there is still “significant amounts of energy and natural resources” needed to produce them.

Loxam pointed to the survey page today, which notes that biodegradable single-use bags are not compostable and need specific conditions to degrade. They may also contain plastics and other metal-additives that don’t degrade in landfills.

The survey also makes it clear that it will be asking questions around both paper and plastic bags, and whether it will be a graduated approach to implementing the fees, she added.

Referencing the N.W.T. passing rules in 2010 to put that 25-cent fee on paper and plastic single-use retail bags, the survey page notes almost 30 million fewer bags were purchased since then.

That’s inspired the Yukon government to propose “a similar surcharge on single-use shopping bags used at the point-of-sale,” which includes at cashiers or self-service check-outs – and both paper and plastic bags, Loxam added.

The Yukon Party also asked if the government would do an economic analysis when looking at adding a fee to paper bags – to which Streicker responded by calling for patience.

“What I want to say is let’s do the engagement with the public which is open right now,” he said. “Let’s see what the results of that are.”

He also pointed to the sister territory which had already imposed a 25-cent fee on all single-use retail bags (both plastic and paper), as an indication of how things might flow here in the Yukon.

On a somewhat related note, a petition of more than 1,000 signatures was presented by the Yukon NDP’s Kate White last Tuesday, calling for a mandatory fee on all single-use retail bags until an outright ban was in place.

In just a few weeks, Zero Waste Yukon’s petition collected more than 1,400 signatures from Yukoners around the territory who support a fee to reduce the number of single-use bags used in the territory.

The group hopes that a single-use retail bag surcharge would be the starting point for continued action to address single-use waste.

“We’re glad to see that (the) Yukon government is consulting on a proposed single-use bag surcharge, and we’d like to see it move forward as soon as possible,” said Ira Webb, the program co-ordinator for Zero Waste Yukon.

“Bags are just a drop in the bucket, and we need to continue diligently working to address single-use packaging and other disposable items that are filling our landfills and burdening our environment.”

White told the legislature that while it supported the notion of reducing single-use plastics, the party “would like to see that expanded to include things like straws, coffee cups and plastic water bottles.”

The survey itself runs until April 26. It looks at things like the fee amount, approach and timing for YG to implement it, the types of bags that are on the table for the fee and possible exemptions.

It can be found on engageyukon.ca, but does not specify on its webpage exactly when results will be posted (unlike other engagements that say a What We Heard document will be available during the fall, summer, etc.).

Comments (21)

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North_of_60 on Apr 14, 2019 at 12:05 pm

The thoughtless crusade to eliminate plastic packaging is misinformed. Lighter, non-recyclable packaging actually generates less waste. And once you start looking into plastic packaging, this kind of counterintuitive conclusion comes up all the time.

Some packaging is a foolish waste, but are shrink-wrapped cucumbers really so silly if it means they stay fresh for 14 days rather than three? Which is worse 1.5g (0.05oz) of plastic wrap or entire cucumbers going off before being eaten?
Plastic bags stop bananas going brown so quickly, or new potatoes going green; they catch grapes that fall off bunches.

About a decade ago, one UK supermarket experimented with taking all its fruit and vegetables out of their packaging - and its food wastage rate doubled. And it's not just shelf life - what about waste created before food gets to the shop in the first place?

Another supermarket, stung by criticism for putting apples in plastic-wrapped trays, tried selling them loose from big cardboard boxes - but so many were damaged in transit that the approach used more packaging per apple actually sold. According to a UK government report, only 3% of food is wasted before it gets to shops. In developing countries, that figure can be 50% - and that difference is partly due to how the food is packaged.

As more of us live in cities, far from where food is grown, this matters.
Even the dreaded single-use shopping bag might not be the villain it seems.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47161379

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Patti Eyre on Apr 12, 2019 at 1:47 pm

I don't use plastic bags at all, and in the summer try not to wear shoes. I liberated my toes and they thanked me!

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Yukoner79 on Apr 11, 2019 at 3:56 pm

I use reusable bags at the store, but I make sure I get plastic bags here and there as well because they are super useful - I reuse them over and over again. Hopefully an additional cost will change behaviour, but I'm glad the suckers exist because they are helpful!

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Bandit on Apr 11, 2019 at 12:22 pm

Enough already, the poor little shopping bags are going to develop some sort of anxiety disorder from being accused of being "single use." I for one use mine a few times before they are no longer useful.
With that being said I went shopping last week and among the usual staples I purchased a bag of potatoes, a bag of frozen vegetables, a bag of frozen fries, a bag of frozen wings and 2 loaves of bread.
My point being; I purchased 6 items all packaged in "single use" plastic bags and with the exception of the potatoes all of the items fit into one bag that I will use multiple times. I think we are barking up the wrong tree here.

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North_of_60 on Apr 10, 2019 at 7:57 pm

Most of the plastic we recycle in the Yukon is shipped to the BC Lower Mainland where it's used to make Process Engineered Fuel [PEF] for cement kilns or incinerated at the Waste To Energy plant in Burnaby.
The process to make cement:
First, the proper proportions of silica, alumina, iron and lime are mixed together to create a raw mix and are milled. The raw mix is then processed through the preheater/precalciner tower and kiln to heat it to 1,450°C. The PEF low carbon fuels are then added in the kiln’s precalciner and the kiln itself where flame temperature can reach close to 2,000°C.
At that temperature there are no harmful stack gasses produced.
The useful byproduct of this process is the creation of life-giving dioxide of carbon, both from the PEF and the lime.
Every bit of plastic we recycle makes the planet greener when it's used for PEF or incinerated at the Waste To Energy plant in Burnaby. Furthermore this insures that it doesn't litter the land, rivers or oceans.
Don't put plastic in the garbage, recycle it.

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bane on Apr 10, 2019 at 12:37 pm

Paper bags consume more resources to manufacture. They weight 6-7 times as much so the shipping is 6-7 times as environmentally harmful and they are less likely to get re-used as plastic bags. The lifespan of a paper bag is more harmful than plastic. The reusable plastic bags are not that great either due to the additional weight and resources required to manufacture. They are more commonly made in China vs Canada or the states and people plain forget them. The best solution would be to subsidize disposable plastic bags.

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yukoner on Apr 10, 2019 at 9:30 am

I personally use reusable bags but there are times where I do need plastic bags, be it because of leaky meat or I bought too much. Those bags I reuse as garbage bags. So, all the above does not apply to me and that might be why it annoys me so much to see people in supermarkets asking for a lot of bags and then put nothing else but one loaf of bread in one bag, one dozen eggs in the next and so on. Now, I don't know if those people are reusing their bags, but I see a lot of those bags hanging in trees or flapping around the parking lot after.... so, sadly, I don't think most of them do.
For that reason I am actually pro fee for plastic bags. NOT paper bags though.

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North_of_60 on Apr 9, 2019 at 3:46 pm

Some people like to believe that paper shopping bags are better for the environment than plastic bags. Paper comes from trees and trees grow naturally, right? That might be true if paper bags grew on trees, but they don't.
Studies published by knowledgeable researchers show that a paper bag has to be reused 43 times to equal the environmental impact of a plastic bag reused once. That is if we take into account all factors, like the impact of manufacturing on climate change, ozone depletion, water use, air pollution, and human toxicity. Plastic shopping bags are actually the most benign of the current common options if they are burned for energy so they don't litter the land or oceans.

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North_of_60 on Apr 9, 2019 at 1:07 pm

Natural gas is used to make plastic. The plastic is used to wrap food, keep it fresh and relatively uncontaminated. It's also widely used to wrap products to reduce damage and pilferage. Once the plastic has served it's purpose it can be burned like natural gas to provide heat and electricity in a Waste-to-Energy facility like the one in Burnaby BC.
That's where most of our non-recyclable waste plastic is shipped to be incinerated, or it's used as 'engineered fuel' for making cement. That's a far better use for waste plastic than having it litter the land or end up in the ocean.

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Josey Wales on Apr 9, 2019 at 12:35 pm

Gee...what a bummer, my legitimate criticism and regular participation...
Did not make it through moderation.
Cannot say I am shocked, hence street level is more effective.

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Dierk Yazeed on Apr 9, 2019 at 9:01 am

Nice way to over regulate everything. Just leave it as it is, let the consumer decide on their own whether they care enough about the environment to modify their behavior.

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At home in the Yukon on Apr 9, 2019 at 8:51 am

I don't understand the argument for a paper bag fee. I am sure that paper bags have a "not green" component to them. That said, reusable bags also do. And, how many times is the average reusable bag going to be reused? Will it be sufficient to make it greener than even plastic bags? And if we offer a fee for both paper and plastic, users will get no financial advantage for switching to paper.

I, therefore, propose that as paper bags are less destructive to the environment than plastic, that paper bags be offered without a fee. I propose further, that all stores that offer plastic bags for purchase be required to offer paper bags for free.

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Max Mack on Apr 9, 2019 at 12:19 am

Our governments have nothing left to offer us but ever-increasing taxes, fees and bans. How sad. How authoritarian. How duplicitous.
This proposed bag fee is feel-good achieve-nothing nonsense imposed by ideologues that imagine the rest of us are fooled by their flatulence and contemptuous rhetoric.

What's next? Once you allow our illustrious leaders to get away with this, literally everything is on the table.

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Heather Saggers on Apr 8, 2019 at 11:47 pm

Just ban all plastic shopping bags and don't create another situation where you have a regulation that gives the "thinkers" another reason to continue to raise the rates of yet another product that should just be banned.

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My Opinion on Apr 8, 2019 at 10:03 pm

Paper is Good, Plastic is Bad. No fees on Paper.

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My Opinion on Apr 8, 2019 at 10:02 pm

We pay a fee now but it is not to the Government. NO MORE TAXES.

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Politico on Apr 8, 2019 at 9:30 pm

It's amazing how the YP will oppose anything that the Liberals propose. They offer no alternatives just oppose, oppose, oppose.

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Just ban plastic shopping bag. on Apr 8, 2019 at 6:21 pm

like other places are doing. Wilf

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North_of_60 on Apr 8, 2019 at 5:18 pm

Shopping bags - best environmental option: plastic bags reused at least once then burned for energy

The table in the article linked below, using data from the Denmark study, compares the environmental performance of LDPE bags to other bags, assuming that the LDPE bags are reused once as a trash bin liner before being incinerated (incineration is the best possible disposal for these bags, according to the report).

In a 2018 life-cycle assessment, Denmark’s ministry of environment and food agreed with previous similar studies, finding that classic plastic shopping bags have the least environmental impact. When taking into account all factors, like the impact of manufacturing on climate change, ozone depletion, water use, air pollution, and human toxicity, those classic, plastic shopping bags are actually the most benign of the current common options, but only if they are burned for energy so they can't become litter and pollute the land and oceans.

https://qz.com/1585027/when-it-comes-to-climate-change-cotton-totes-might-be-worse-than-plastic/

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Wha? on Apr 8, 2019 at 4:21 pm

The grocery stores already charge a fee for bags. Where is that money going?

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Yukoner on Apr 8, 2019 at 4:09 pm

Or we could show some real leadership and just ban single use plastic bags? The fee is an annoyance but it isn't going to deter a lot of people. If we actually were serious about making a commitment to change, we would just ban them. I thought John Streicker used to run for the Green party? I guess stripes change pretty quickly.

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