Facility location would ‘haunt’ gov’t, official warned
A Whitehorse resident is publicizing internal documents that may raise eyebrows as to why the Whistle Bend subdivision was selected as a location for the
government’s $269-million continuing care facility.
By Aimee O'Connor on July 15, 2015
A Whitehorse resident is publicizing internal documents that may raise eyebrows as to why the Whistle Bend subdivision was selected as a location for the
government’s $269-million continuing care facility.
Tamara Goeppel, owner of Yukon Travel and CEO of Mainsteel Developments, has taken issue with the choice of location from the beginning.
Her 90-year-old mother lives in Thomson Centre and her father was a resident of Copper Ridge Place.
She said that personal experience has shown her that the majority of the population requiring continuing care is both vulnerable and scared to voice their
opinions.
After engaging conversation with others opposed to the location through a couple of posts to Facebook and in letters to the local newspapers, Goeppel said it
became evident there was a loud and clear message from people that they want the care facility to be located downtown.
“Had we not voiced that, we wouldn’t know that there was hesitation on the location,” she told the Star today.
She insists her short-lived political aspirations, having run for the federal MP nomination for the Yukon Liberal Party in late 2014, had no bearing on her
decision to question authority.
Through an access to information request submitted at the end of April, Goeppel seized hordes of email exchanges and briefing notes between government
officials and technical advisors that were sent throughout the selection process.
During the location scouting in early 2014, officials were examining potential sites in Porter Creek, Riverdale, Copper Ridge and Whistle Bend.
In order of best location to worst, a report prepared by the property management division of Highways and Public Works put Porter Creek at the top, then
Riverdale, followed by Copper Ridge and finally, Whistle Bend.
But, in the report briefing, it states that on April 9, 2014, “Instructions were provided by the senior management that sites in Porter Creek, Riverdale and
Copper Ridge should be taken off the table for any further work whereas, the site in Whistle Bend remains under the scope.”
It is unclear from the report as to why those three locations were eliminated from the list.
The report provides a summary of data which showed that Whistle Bend was the only location of the four that would require rezoning– which was eventually
approved by city council in March of this year.
Whistle Bend also had the highest geotechnical concerns which would escalate the cost of the project.
The report cited soil with a high amount of silt and water table which would require frost heaving (replacement of soil) as two factors that would “consume
significant project budget into expensive foundation design.”
The data summary also notes that the neighbourhood has a slow growth rate, which makes it a less favourable location to build the facility.
Months later, in June, there was still hesitation towards choosing Whistle Bend for the facility.
Cathy Morton-Bielz, assistant deputy minister for Health and Social Services, wrote in an email on June 6, “The optics of placing a care facility in an empty
field with no community is really a nightmare that will haunt the government far longer than a bit of community opposition.”
Despite much back and forth between officials, any warnings or questions raised about the property did not make waves.
On Nov. 21, Pat Molloy, the director of land development, wrote to Steven Bartsch of Associated Engineering indicating that “the future Continuing Care facility will most likely now be built in Whistle Bend.”
Molloy goes on to say that during a meeting with Health and Social Services, PMD, and city representatives, it was chosen as the “consensus preferred location.”
Then, on Dec. 18, which Goeppel notes is smack-dab in the middle of holiday season when people are usually away, the official press release was
published: the continuing care facility was to be built in Whistle Bend, with construction set to start in early 2016 with a completion target of mid-2018.
NDP Health critic Jan Stick feels the decision was made behind closed doors.
“The most distressing thing from day one is the lack of consultation with Yukoners,” she told the Star Tuesday.
Goeppel agrees, noting that the choice on April 9 for senior management to strike three locations from the list of choices told her that there are some “heavy-
handed political players at play.”
“They’re big, and they’re powerful.”
The Star was told Health and Social Services Minister Mike Nixon was not available for an interview.
After the CBC published Goeppel’s findings from the documents Tuesday, Premier Darrell Pasloski released a response.
“The location and need (for a 150-bed continuing care facility in Whistle Bend) have been determined after an extensive planning process between officials
and government,” read Pasloski’s statement.
His release did not deal with any of the specifics from the internal documents.
Nor did it address the allegations that the government failed to provide sufficient consultation with Yukoners during the selection process.
When asked whether the Opposition will continue to approach the topic of the facility in the legislative assembly, Stick had no hesitation.
“Absolutely,” she said, “A lot of questions need to be answered.”
Goeppel is prepared to go to the mattresses to get the facility’s location changed – her feisty, “results-based” mother has instructed her to keep fighting.
“The foundations haven’t been poured yet,” she said.
On June 8, Nixon announced that three teams were shortlisted to proceed in a competitive selection process to design and build the facility.
Once proposals from all three businesses are received and evaluated, the government will select and award a design built contract.
Since 2003, the home care budget in the territory has risen about 350 per cent to $5.6 million along with the aging Yukon population – the fastest-growing
age group in the territory.
In this year’s budget, $26 million was set aside toward building the facility.
It is the largest capital project the government has taken on since the construction of the Alaska Highway.
Comments (20)
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Lost in the Yukon on Jul 21, 2015 at 9:35 pm
Can you spell narcissistic personality disorder?
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If anyone wants my resume just email me, it is approved by YTG on Jul 21, 2015 at 12:25 pm
wilf_carter27@hotmail.com.
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Yukon 56 on Jul 20, 2015 at 5:07 pm
What is there that Wilf has not done????
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Hi June Jackson seniors interest on Jul 18, 2015 at 2:55 pm
I have worked with different types of senior complexes and have seen and read what the general population of seniors want. Ms. Jackson my comments come from seniors I have talked to and know.
This paper had comments from people of family members who are and have lived in these centers and they stated most of the people in these complexes are not going to run to the corner store. These are not my words but other people speaking out like you.
There is no right or wrong in this but what is best for the general population of seniors.
Checking out the site, there is residential, schools and corner stores in this area just like Copper ridge.
Most of my comments come for people in the know of this type of complex, research information on projects of this type and my own experience.
Thanks for speaking up keep it coming.
Looking forward to your comments.
Wilf Carter
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Yukon JUstice on Jul 17, 2015 at 5:11 pm
I've never heard so much controversy about a new subdivision. Could we please just move everyone out, call in the bulldozers and in a hundred years it should be back to its original natural self again.
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north_of_60 on Jul 17, 2015 at 4:48 pm
@VOR
Of course I've driven to Wasteland Bend, and I also know how nice that area was before they clear cut it and filled it with sand and silt.
You obviously haven't been in the Yukon very long or seen very much, if you actually believe that Wasteland Bend is nicer than any other neighborhood.
You will see the term Wasteland Bend used a lot more, so get used to it or wear better blinders.
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June Jackson on Jul 17, 2015 at 3:46 pm
Attention: Mr. W. Carter.
Please don't speak for me. I appreciate that you have an opinion, and no one else's seems to be welcome... but please don't use an assumption of what I might or might not do to support that opinion.
"Seniors like to live in subdivisions where they can watch children and people go by having fun. This makes them feel like the neighborhood they grew up and lived in." Not me. SOME kids are noisy and steal and break into cars. I like to visit with them, and then they go home. Somewhere else. Not where I live.
"Downtown is noisy, dirty, dusty, more carbon from autos and not a friendly environment for seniors because it is a business area. " Shopping and restaurants and most stores are senior and handicapped friendly. I do not want to be stuck out in the boonies.
"The people in these facilities are not going to run to the corner store but need a lot of care." Seniors from McCauley Lodge run over to Super A all the time. It might be fair to say, SOME seniors will/or won't, can/ or can't.
I could go on for a bit, but I think my point is made. I would kindly ask you to either offer an opinion or preface it with something like "I am speaking for everyone... except Junie Jackson who is 74 and will speak for herself. ". Thanks.. June
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Wilf Carter right or wrong on Jul 17, 2015 at 2:51 pm
Its not about what's right or wrong because that is not way things work.
It is about what is logical right and best based of facts and history of success.
I service my comments from experience, research and people in the subject field we are talking about.
Politico great handle, and thanks for making your opinion known.
Just keep them coming because it is important that people be heard on this very important project.
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Politico on Jul 17, 2015 at 12:40 pm
Mark S, good to see the "pave all our parks and turn them into profit makers" right wingers are still here. We have enough ugly buildings along the waterfront cutting off the view of the river. The parks downtown are for everyone to use why do you want to put a bunch of ugly buildings there? Can't stand the thought of land being used for the benefit of everyone rather that a profit for some fat cat corporation.
Wilf, your continued I'm right and everyone else is wrong, especially if they are government, attitude is old. Ever thought if you think everyone else is wrong, maybe it's you.
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Voice of reason on Jul 17, 2015 at 11:53 am
Ten years out, Whistlebend will be an established neighbourhood like Porter Creek, Copper Ridge or Riverdale however inept city planners have made all of those neighbourhoods bedroom communities with little in the way of commercial services and they are pretty low on the walkability scale. Theyt said a 'warehouse' in any of the aforementioned neighbourhoods is the wrong direction. COW and YG have plenty of undeveloped land downtown that would be better suited. Build a half dozen smaller residences that have accessibility for resident to be able to walk to the grocery store, restaurant or drugstore.
@North_of_60 Your continual droning and overuse of 'wastelandbend' has gotten boring. I suggest taking a drive up there because the parts that are developed are much nicer than many existing Whitehorse neighbourhoods.
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Mark S on Jul 16, 2015 at 9:24 pm
Let's build 2 or 3 continuing care facilities. Let's think this through!
Let's build on rarely used land at Shipyards Park. It would greatly add to the quality of life of the residents. A library a few blocks away, the beautiful Kwanlin Dun Cultural Center which could host more seniors teas, places to eat and drink coffee not that far, a tram that could provide free seniors passes, being able to mix with tourists in the summer and shoulder seasons.
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Wow very well written but lacks facts or substance in evidence on Jul 16, 2015 at 3:12 pm
Why do liberals send out continuous misinformed messages? Is this the liberal leaders way of doing business for the Yukon people?
Senior scared I highly think that statement is correct because lots of the senior I know will give their opinions if they don't like something.
This statement is just partisan politics nothing more.
So here you have a liberal supporter stating that the staff are not doing their jobs for seniors in the Yukon.
She talks about engaging conversations on facebook and some letters that they say want the care facility downtown.
Then she goes on in great length talking about location being in the wrong place.
I like to ask her some questions:
> did you see the whole report to get all the facts or just make believe statements about the project?
> What experience do you have in building these facilities?
> Have you thought of why the other two facilities were built in residential areas?
> What impact would locating the facility downtown have on seniors quality of life?
The reasons these sites are chosen are the following:
> Seniors like to live in subdivisions where they can watch children and people go by having fun. This makes them feel like the neighborhood they grew up and lived in.
> Downtown is noisy, dirty, dusty, more carbon from autos and not a friendly environment for seniors because it is a business area.
> The people in these facilities are not going to run to the corner store but need a lot of care.
> Putting these facilities in new subdivisions is a normal type of development for these facilities.
> The writer states that Whistle Bend is growing slow but that was the same for Copper Ridge and look at it now.
> One of individuals stated in this paper about his family member living in these facilities and when it is Halloween kids come. The people in the facility develop their own community within the facility.
> I know people that work in these facilities and your comments are so far off the base of truth, just like a lot of the NDP and liberals do.
Say anything and we can get away with it.
> Why was the other three areas not choice?
> Did you think about that because you have given no reason why.
> The other three were already built up and their was no way to place this facility it in the middle of a built up housing area.
It was only logical to build it in Whistle Bend.
All I am trying to do for a year and half now is to get the liberals to talk straight and get out of these outlandish statements that are meaningless and are not founded on fact or good planning.
Just so you know, I have many years experience in infrastructure development for the publics purpose.
If you want to know more, email me at wilf_carter27@hotmail.com I'll be glad to help you to understand.
I used work down the hall from your office.
Wilf Carter
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interesting nicknames, just not very original on Jul 16, 2015 at 1:10 pm
At one time, Riverdale was nicknamed 'hamburger heights', assuming that everyone living there could only afford to eat hamburger because they'd spent so much on their houses. Porter Creek was 'south Carmacks' as it was considered to be so far out of town. And of course 'Vinyl Village' for Copper Ridge. So no one is being original for thinking up names for Whistlebend and in a few years the mocking will move to some other area.
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north_of_60 on Jul 16, 2015 at 10:48 am
Good start, now dig deeper to expose the truth about Wasteland Bend. Why was the original "Green Community" plan discarded with no public consultation, why were the trees clear-cut, why was millions of dollars of fill trucked in with un-tendered contracts to cover their mistake and create a desert wasteland?
Name the people responsible, expose the cronyism and corruption with the Wasteland Bend development that characterizes this YP government.
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north_of_60 on Jul 15, 2015 at 10:42 pm
The Yukon government is... saying the location was determined after "an extensive planning process between officials and governments."
Then it's obvious that the same inept "planning process between officials and governments" that created Wasteland Bend in the first place, is still fumbling along tripping over it's shadow.
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Moose on Jul 15, 2015 at 9:45 pm
My only question to government is.. When will government open a competition to re-name Whistlebend!? I saw some great ones on these forms like Pooville and Wastelandbend. I also like Area 51, Tatooine, Moonscape, Arrested Development, Whistleplains. So many possibilities!
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YTer on Jul 15, 2015 at 6:19 pm
Thomas Brewer
It's a given? Please provide us with your source. Otherwise, it's pure speculation on your part. Also, she made it clear she is not acting on behalf of the hospital corp.
Maybe there is something to this maybe not, but regardless, the government has done a very poor job of communicating the how's and whys on the whole selection process.
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David on Jul 15, 2015 at 5:45 pm
Could Whistle Bend have been chosen due to the entirely realistic fact that there is plenty of available room down there? Where are you going to find room to build a new facility of this size in Riverdale, Porter Creek, or Downtown? And Whistle Bend is already rapidly filling with housing, this is not going to be located in an empty field, and is no further drive from the downtown area than Copper Ridge or Porter Creek.
As someone who has an elderly parent in one of the existing Whitehorse long term care facilities, I can tell you my mother speaks with excitement about the possibility she might move to the new Whistle Bend location.
I'm really tired of hearing 'no' to absolutely anything that is attempted in this city and territory anymore. As someone who could very well end up in this facility one day I say go ahead and build in Whistle Bend, I'll live there no problem!
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No Need to be an Engineer to know this on Jul 15, 2015 at 4:14 pm
The story here states : The report cited soil with a high amount of silt and water table which would require frost heaving (replacement of soil) as two factors that would “consume significant project budget into expensive foundation design.”
Frost heaving is not soil replacement , it is a process in which the expansion of the soil occurs as a consequence of entrained water freezing when temperatures fall to a critical level.
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Thomas Brewer on Jul 15, 2015 at 3:33 pm
"A Whitehorse resident" is really misleading, given that she's a political hopeful and sits on the board of trustees for the Yukon Hospital Corp.
http://yukonhospitals.ca/yukon-hospital-corporation/board-trustees