Photo by Whitehorse Star
READY TO WELCOME THE NATION – Mount Sima is pictured on opening day Dec. 20, 2013.
Photo by Whitehorse Star
READY TO WELCOME THE NATION – Mount Sima is pictured on opening day Dec. 20, 2013.
The Yukon government is pouring another $160,000 into Mount Sima.
The Yukon government is pouring another $160,000 into Mount Sima.
Territorial leadership announced the funding yesterday via press release.
The money will enable the hill, located just south of downtown, to open as an early season training facility for elite ski and snowboard athletes from across the country.
The funding will help pay for start-up infrastructure costs, including snow-making machinery, terrain park development and safety netting for alpine skiers.
There were several reasons the government chose to back this project, Community Services minister Currie Dixon told the Star today.
“We think Mount Sima’s a fantastic asset for this community,” he said. “If we can improve the recreational opportunities for Yukon, and improve our sport development opportunities here, then it’s an easy decision.
“It’s a really exciting project.”
The new training program will enable the facility to generate revenue during the shoulder season, and the influx of athletes should benefit the tourism sector.
“These folks are going to be staying in hotels, buying meals, renting cars,” Dixon said, noting it’s a welcome “boon” during the off-season.
From a sport development perspective, local athletes will garner the opportunity to train alongside high-level teams right here on their home turf.
“They’ll have that opportunity to learn from them, but also to get out on the hill much earlier than normal.”
The initiative will ensure the Whitehorse ski hill remains a winter recreation hub, as well as increase the territory’s profile within the national sporting community, Dixon said via press release.
He told the Star that if the program proves successful, further funding partnerships could be explored.
“This is a longer-term initiative,” he said. “We’ve committed the funding for this year, and at the end of the season we’re going to evaluate the program – whether or not it was a success – and that will determine whether or not we provide additional funding in the future.”
The government’s funding comes out of three departments – Community Services, Tourism and Culture, and Economic Development.
The training program includes work with a number of local businesses and is expected to increase the long-term sustainability of the hill.
The initiative will provide an important source of revenue for Mount Sima, and is also expected to bring economic benefits to the Yukon capital.
The proposal was submitted for government review by the Friends of Mount Sima society, Dixon said.
Recently, provincial and national ski and snowboard teams have struggled to find suitable autumn training grounds, often travelling outside the country to train.
More than 100 skiers and snowboarders are expected to use the facility through the month of November.
A handful of Ontario border-cross snowboarders and eight Alberta slopestyle snowboarders are scheduled to arrive in Whitehorse Friday to kick off the new program.
“There’s a number of teams across the country looking to get on snow as early as they can in November,” said Laurie Henderson, past-president of the Friends of Mount Sima society.
“A lot of the places they’ve traditionally gone couldn’t open last year because they didn’t have snow.”
Most of the groups taking advantage of Sima this season hail from Alberta and British Columbia, but some will come from as far as Ontario.
Clubs will pay a higher-than-average fee for use of the hill.
“It’s a real mix,” Henderson said of the users, ranging from alpine skiers to slopestyle snowboarders.
“We have both able-bodied and para-athletes coming. Most of them are coming for week-long periods, but some will be here for two weeks.”
Henderson said most teams are looking for exclusive access to the hill, but noted the public season is expected to open early on Dec. 4.
“The reason we’re doing this is to increase the financial stability of the hill,” she said. “But everyone will be getting on the snow sooner.”
Local athletes are able to join out-of-town teams when possible.
Just two years ago, the ski hill was facing closure before the community stepped up to ensure it would open for at least one more season.
At that time, Softball Yukon came forward with a $70,000 assist after city council declined to fund the bailout.
The Friends of Mount Sima group was formed in 2013 following the Great Northern Ski Society’s vote that July to close the hill because of financial problems.
The hill had closed after city council turned down a proposal that would have seen the city provide $610,000 in funding to pay off creditors and keep the hill operating.
Mount Sima originally opened in 1994.
Sima saw more than 20,000 day visits last season, and 800-plus season passes sold, said general manager Cindy Chandler.
“That’s a steady season,” she said of the day visits, noting the number of season pass holders has risen significantly in the last two years, from 200.
She called the latest government funding an important step forward for the facility.
“This is a critical opportunity for Mount Sima in terms of generating incremental revenue to sustain the hill,” she said, adding the program is expected to expand in the next two years.
“Of course, there’s fairly major start-up costs to make this happen,” Chandler noted. “We need to produce snow in a short period of time.”
Snow-making began in earnest after the Thanksgiving weekend, with two new snow fans being purchased.
The terrain park is ready to go for this weekend, with the alpine run Dan’s Descent next on the schedule.
An alpine team is expected to arrive in town next Tuesday.
The regular winter usage of the hill was complemented this summer by the creation of two bike trails – one of which is expected to be accessible to snowshoers via the chairlift.
A small but active paragliding community also maintains a launching pad at the hill’s summit.
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Back from Banff on Nov 11, 2015 at 11:40 am
I just came back from Banff Film Festival. It's not open yet but several people did tell me they had heard Yukon was open already and were thinking of going next year. I'm a little disappointed in the tag line used by The Star, "The Yukon government is pouring another $160,000 into Mount Sima"
This was not a bail-out (Investing would have been a more accurate term than pouring), but a planned project with the bulk of funding coming from community development funds. If this succeeds, then Yukoners are the biggest winners. Funds that were once needed to get the hill open will be paid for by out-of-province training groups. Local athletes now have a world class training Center and if you don't think it's that caliber - I suggest you visit Sima and look at the terrain park and new jumps. It takes investment to produce local athletes - that's what this was. This includes disabled athletes too.
Local businesses will benefit from the influx of consumers. Several hundred athletes will leave over 100K spent on our local economy on airfare (Air North!), hotels, food, shopping, etc. This project is helping our community, diversifying our economy, and supporting our young athletes.
I applaud the progressive thinking of the new Friends of Sima for literally looking outside the box for sustainable long-term funding solutions. I didn't ski much until last year and went and spent $$$ on purchasing back-country skis at Up North (another local business that benefits from Sima) so I could Ski at Sima as well as the outdoors. The groundswell of local support for Sima pursuaded me to buy a season pass (for the first time) and try somthing I had not done for over a decade. I already bought a season pass this year and plan on getting a corporate pass for staff to also enjoy the hill.
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BnR on Nov 10, 2015 at 6:31 am
No longer what I want....
So you are leaving because of Sima and a proposed soccer complex? Or that you don't like the land/housing costs? Don't leave, get involved and try to effect the changes YOU'D like to see to make The Yukon a better place. That's called investing in your community, it's called getting involved. Good luck finding somewhere better than here. Good luck wherever you end up, and we'll see you when you return.
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research much? on Nov 9, 2015 at 3:46 pm
Banff is not open at all and Lake Louise has two runs, however a lot of their restaurants are open if that is what the athletes are looking for...
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June Jackson on Nov 9, 2015 at 12:38 pm
Like all issues, this one also has 2 sides. One side wants funding for their sport; located at Mt. Sima.
The other side, doesn't appear to care one way or the other about Mt. Sima..but, they don't want to pay for it.
No one "hates" Mt. Sima. Someone doesn't agree with you so they are a hater?
Of all the comments here, no one has come up with a solution or a proposal to fund Mt. Sima beyond handouts and ultimate tax hikes. The operators of Mt. Sima appear to feel entitled to taxpayer funding and do not appear to be interested in fund raising of any sort beyond asking for corporate welfare with an eye to permanent yearly funding.. local business which has supported Sima in the past, has been reluctant to commit to permanent yearly funding and some may even drop off the donation roster leaving the "Friends" to scramble even more for additional funding..back to the trough.. City and Territorial. "Friends" said they would keep the hill open without taxpayer dollars. They have failed to do that.
Just sayin'.. you have perfectly described our ski hill. Thanks for that.
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Just Say'in on Nov 8, 2015 at 9:18 pm
Just heard on the news three days ago that Banff and Lake Louise are open for business. I am sure they will want to come up here and train when they can hang out down there. It is a nice little hill here but this is not what they want. They have just coppered their bets in case one year they may need to. We have a shorter season here then any of the big hills down south due to our altitude. It will never work. This is just a nice little community ski hill. Not a Lodge or a Destination.
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Concerned on Nov 8, 2015 at 9:35 am
Is anyone here aware that the International Slow Pitch Softball world championships is discussing the idea of not returning to Whitehorse because of the condition of our baseball diamonds?
Didn't they (Softball Yukon) just provide (loan) $75,000 to Sima in money that was specifically raised for Softball Yukon?
Is anyone aware that the primary reason cited was the condition of our baseball diamonds?
Please note: No decision regarding the slow pitch championships has been officially made at this time.
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No longer what I want on Nov 8, 2015 at 9:24 am
As a born and raised Yukoner (third generation), I've always tried to support this territory but when I see people demanding unprofitable ski hills stay open, soccer stadiums get built for a tiny percentage of the population and so on, it's very discouraging.
While I'm aware that nobody posting here will care, I would like to add something about myself and some of my peers. Some of us are starting to look at leaving the territory permanently. In this instance, my wife and I have made our arrangements and will be gone when our lease expires.
We specifically decided not to buy into this town's housing market because we felt there was little value in the inflated prices of land here and couldn't stand where our taxes are going (among other issues). I guess what I'm trying to say here is...
Your younger generation in the Yukon is increasingly considering the idea of leaving and some of us are. It's a very regular conversation among our peers now where just a few years ago you didn't see people looking to leave in these numbers even for schooling.
For what it's worth by the way. To these people who think that the money Sima receives would not have been spent elsewhere at some point in the future are being purposefully ignorant. Perhaps what they had meant to say was "this money could have gone a lot of places but in my opinion this was the best place". Instead of "that money would not have been spent elsewhere or was otherwise unavailable".
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Sima Original on Nov 7, 2015 at 4:56 pm
Jody - thanks for pointing out the millions of dollars that the Whitehorse tax payers pay out annually to cover operating costs of their recreation and sports facilities from the revenue shortfall from users fees. This is hundreds of times more than total the Whitehorse tax payers paid to Mt Sima for the entire 24 years of it's existence. I guess this upset some as they decided to attack you as well.
Gordon from Calgary - I do hope that many take the 10-15 minutes drive to Sima to see these athletes in action and I trust the citizens of Whitehorse will welcome them as they did the athletes of the Canada Winter Games in 2007.
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Max Mack on Nov 7, 2015 at 3:10 pm
I see the Sima boosters are out in force on this story. Boost away, but I insist that you pay for the hill and its operations, not me.
As for CoW funding, I would like to know how much the city contributes unofficially, "under the table" or "off book" each year to Sima?
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George from Calgary on Nov 7, 2015 at 9:01 am
It is quite possible, a sum equal to the $160,000 investment will be recovered by the Yukon Government, City of Whitehorse, Mount Sima, and many Yukon businesses before Mount Sima even opens to the public this December. Already, athlete snowboarders and skiers from other parts of Canada are at Mount Sima, and more are arriving this weekend and early next week. They are at Mount Sima because there is natural and man-made snow on the hill, on which they can train for their competative sports. They are from Calgary, Vancouver and Ottawa. They bought airfares on Air North, are staying in Whitehorse hotels, eating 3 meals a day, paying for lift tickets and special training space on Mount Sima, and admission to your fabulous recreation centre.
Go up to the hill and watch them this coming week. Some are likely to be tomorrow's Canadian Olympians. I know one team of 30 to 40 young athletes from Alberta and BC are spending approximately $1,700 each for this week long pre-season training opportunity. This is money spent in previous years in Colorado. So, Mount Sima has scooped this windfall of business from the States. The outcome is that these pre-season alpine ski racers, and free-style skiers and boarders will return to Mount Sima next November and years after, and bring more and more athletes with them. Looking at this from my position in Calgary, I think this is a great opportunity for some young Canadian athletes, Mount Sima and Whitehorse.
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Adele Sandrock on Nov 6, 2015 at 8:30 pm
Jody - you must be working for YG and you probably were in the past even a board member of the Mt. Sima money pit.
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Sima Original on Nov 6, 2015 at 5:15 pm
It is unfortunate that some of these Sima haters don't take the time to properly research things. Number one, the money is not a bailout but could be considered venture capital to allow Sima to generate more money by helping them get this program started. These elite athletic training programs spend huge amounts of money and Sima and Whitehorse businesses are ideally suited to capitalise on it. Sima may be a small day use ski area but it has some big mountain features such FIS certified terrain capable of hosting slalom, super slalom and super G competitions. Sima is ideally suited to provide early season facilities because of its snow making system and the best conditions in Canada for making snow. Artificial snow is ideal for these programs because they can control the consistency of the snow. There may be only 130 participants this year but if it succeeds there could be 300 next year and they all need accommodations. These groups are essentially renting the mountain and Sima gets all their pre-season and snowmaking costs paid by these teams before the hill opens to the public thus saving a huge amount off their regular operating costs.
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ICO on Nov 6, 2015 at 12:44 pm
When is the government going to stop bailing out Mt.Sima? Seems like such a waste!!!
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Jody Woodland on Nov 6, 2015 at 11:28 am
It's fun to watch the Sima-haters froth at the mouth every time Sima is in the news. Here are a few facts to toss into the cauldron, not that anyone wants to let facts get in the way of their opinions.
Almost all of the public dollars Sima has received over the years came from YG and Canada, not the CoW. Almost of the money that appears to have come from CoW was in fact flowed through from YG and would not have been available to CoW for other purposes. Your city taxes have not been affected by Sima.
As most people should know, even most YG money comes from transfers from Canada. That said, it's legitimate to think that YG should have other priorities. Fair enough.
Last thing - you can look here at the CoW budget www.whitehorse.ca/home/showdocument?id=4930, where you'll note that, in 2015, CoW expects to spend $8m on operating its recreation facilities and recover $3.4m in user fees, or just over 40%. So in fact, the operation of the CGC, which I understand to be $6m out of the $8m total, is subsidized by CoW to the tune of at least $3m.
It's a great facility, as is Sima. I fail to see why different recreational facilities in the community should be treated differently, as is so often argued by Sima-haters.
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June Jackson on Nov 5, 2015 at 5:55 pm
To: Sima Original - thank you very much for posting the best comment about what Mt. Sima might mean to the community at large. I think the points you raise are valid considerations. It IS important for families to come together and for young people to have healthy social sport outlets. But there are existing venues that provide that already.
What is the cost attached to SIMA? In March of 2013, the cost of providing just 1.3 million dollars was a increase of 3% in property taxes when they were already jacking the taxes by 3.86%. Home owners went through the roof at the prospect of paying a nearly 7% tax hike and thus began a concerted opposition to yet more public dollars going to SIMA, a facility with a limited appeal and excessive costs attached to it. At the time Lynda Harlow, said Public opposition to funding the ski hill “takes me aback,” said Harlow. People wouldn’t think about shutting down the Canada Games Centre, she said" And thus, brought CGC in to the mix.
Granted, GNSS was riddled with poor management and poor financial management and accountability. They drove the Society over 400K into debt that the CoW bailed them out of. The Friends of SIMA took over when GNSS agreed to dissolve. I do not know if they ever did dissolve. Friends of SIMA have since voted to eliminate the requirement for audited financials. I don't like that.
Only 70 early bird season passes were sold by Oct 1. Financials were not posted nor according to the minutes ever verified if they were done. $160K ?? not even the tip of the iceberg on what SIMA is after. The City gave SIMA millions out of the infrastructure funds..we didn't get roads or sewers repaired that year. I can't afford it. I am happy for the people that can, and I hope that they can afford to carry the entire load because the tax payers can't. I don't believe the current new city council will ever jack the taxes to support SIMA. The Paslowski government on the other hand, will not see another term in office. They will do their worst, as they have done all along.
http://www.mountsima.com/uploads/FOMS%20board%20meeting%20minutes%20Sept%203%202014.pdf
http://www.mountsima.com/uploads/FOMS%20board%20meeting%20minutes%20July%209%202014.pdf
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Sima Original on Nov 5, 2015 at 3:57 pm
What does Sima have to offer to the community? Skiing and riding(snowboarding) is a healthy, physical and social outdoor winter activity that can be enjoyed by all ages. Cross country skiing may be a lower cost alternative but it requires more physical input by the user to achieve maximum rewards. Families can come out together and spend the day on the slopes, ride the lift together, meet for hot chocolate or lunch and bond over a shared interest. Children, youth and teens who are not into organised activities, competitive sports or team activities can come out and have healthy fun and socialize together and wear off excess hormonal energy in a safe healthy way. Much better than spending time playing video games or hanging around a mall. Those who are very competitive can challenge the slopes or terrain park and participate in slope style, boarder cross and ski cross activities. Families from outside that live in ski country will be more inclined to move to Whitehorse because of Sima. I am 76 and love to spend a day on the slopes with my grandchildren. Unfortunately I no longer live in Whitehorse to enjoy convenience of Sima.
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Smurf on Nov 5, 2015 at 3:18 pm
Sell the whole thing to a private investor (Northern Vision?), build some condos and little shopping facilities around. Then launch a bus route out there (people who need to go to McRae will be thankful for that) and soon it won't be a money pit anymore and it will pay off itself...
But whining and complaining doesn't help at all. We now have this facility - create something useful around it!
It's that simple, isn't it?
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yukoner on Nov 5, 2015 at 9:01 am
If Sima is such a great asset to the whole community, then why do you think there are so many people against it? Why would it need more and more money year after year? After all if it's not just for the elite then it should be more than capable of standing on its own two feet. I don't want my tax dollars going to Sima any more. I have never used it, I won't use it and as for the CGS I also don't use it but I do see a value there for all Yukoners not just a special few.
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Be vigilante on Nov 4, 2015 at 11:26 pm
@June: We haven't even mentioned the obscene requests of some for an 8 million dollar Soccer stadium that is not even needed. I understand that the main proponent for this ridiculous idea is one of the free land people who lives outside of the City limits and doesn't even pay taxes. Not only do they get free land they want us to pay for their recreation too. Only in the Yukon.
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Sima Original on Nov 4, 2015 at 9:15 pm
@ June Jackson. Sima can not be compared to the CGC. Half the development costs of Sima were paid for by the community in the form of donated labour, materials, equipment and services. The other half was a loan which was forgiven after the ski area opened. That portion could be considered taxpayer's money. The CGC was totally funded by tax payer's money. Sima has reached the point where the revenue from the users pretty well covers operating costs. It still probably needs some help if capital improvements are needed. The income from users of the CGC only covers about 60% of the operating costs and the rest of the operating costs are subsidized by the tax payers and I am certain that the amount is much larger than $160,000 year. You are being hypocritical about your concern about tax payers money because you are not insisting that users fees for the CGC be increased so that they actually cover operating costs and instead keep complaining about Sima.
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Fly Yukon Paragliding on Nov 4, 2015 at 7:36 pm
I am pleased to see the additional benefits coming from supporting the hill - especially the new Paragliding Landing Zone and South launch which cost taxpayers nothing. Just a lots of good old fashioned volunteers and in-kind and personal contributions. I'd also like to publically thank NuWay Crushing, the local Kaboda dealer, Sid Rock, and Sima for the use of their Bobcat, bulldozer and escalator. The new landing zone would not have been possible without their support. Sima is helping make Paragliding more visible and accessible.
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MEADIAsolutions on Nov 4, 2015 at 7:33 pm
MEADIAsolutions has been a proud corporate sponsor of Sima the last two years along with many other businesses. Lots of families, individuals, and businesses have made it possible for Sima to operate through season passes (over 800 from 200 - wow!). Thank you to all the donors and sponsors helping keep this community resource available. The new bike trails are incredible.
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June Jackson on Nov 4, 2015 at 7:25 pm
http://whitehorsestar.com/News/sima-financial-data-released-as-season-ends
Have a look JD mc at the history... GNSS and Friends are after corporate welfare..they just want the handout. Their quest for tax payer bucks is never ending. CoW has forked out MILLIONS... they have since stopped the gravy train and Paslowski has stepped into to provide funding... Anyone really think this $160K is the end? They could take a page from George Arcand. He didn't get in because taxpayers have had enough. But, I'll say this for Sports Yukon under his leadership.. they work their butts off and fund raise constantly, the most they ask their community for is to support their events. Same with the Ski Chalet and Hockey.. Friends? did I see 1 fund raising event? yes..1. http://www.mountsima.com/news-events/news/P35. Nov of 2014.
I'm not miserable at all, but I am poor.. and home owners whose taxes are jacked beyond their ability to keep paying it will be poor too if they don't stop expenditures like this.
Dan D. said "Close Sima then watch professional workforce retention go with it (ie: physiotherapists, nurses, doctors, teachers, etc)" No one will quit their jobs and leave because they can't ski...but he is right..they are the ones that use the hill.
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Jd Mc on Nov 4, 2015 at 2:07 pm
Wow June, miserable much? "an elite playground that only the select few can afford" I live on very un-elite means and have no problems affording it. I also have no problems paying tax dollars for use in community facilities. I have never been inside the CGC - I don't mind that I helped pay for it. quit whining.
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Dan D on Nov 4, 2015 at 2:03 pm
$160,000 is $8/year for 20,000 taxpayers. To all the naysayers who don't care about such an asset Sima is to Whitehorse as a community. Close Sima then watch professional workforce retention go with it (ie: physiotherapists, nurses, doctors, teachers, etc). So many people are Yukoners are here for the lifestyle, Sima is a part of that lifestyle.
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Three Deputy Minister gone from Yukon Government on Nov 4, 2015 at 1:57 pm
and three more to go Ec Dev, tourism and Justice.
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No that enough on Nov 4, 2015 at 1:55 pm
Government buying votes has to stop. They are worse than the NDP.
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June Jackson on Nov 4, 2015 at 12:53 pm
Mark S. How does Mt. Sima add 'so much to our City"? I am not being facetious, I really want to know how Mt. Sima stacks up against the Canada Games Centre in terms of contributions to the community, and really adds 'so much to our City". We already pay for the CGC in addition to hefty user fee's which are more than justified by the offerings..
In addition to the field of play areas the facility includes: food service, private physiotherapy clinic, wellness centre, running track, as well as meeting rooms and multipurpose space that will augment sport requirements.
Hockey – Arena 2, Regulation Ice 200′ x 85′ ice surface, seating capacity 538.
Soccer – Field house, soccer carpet surface, seating capacity 374.
Volleyball – Flexihall, spring wood floor, seating capacity 484.
Speedskating – Arena I, 100′ x 200′ ice surface, seating capacity 446.
Figure Skating – Arena I, 100′ x 200′ ice surface, seating capacity 446.
And of course the pool, hot tub, lazy river, sauna, babysitting facilities.
There is the concourse to host community events, wifi, first aid rooms, and best of all, its easily accessible. Over 750,000 entered its doors last year. There is something for everyone, babies, toddlers, young people, adults, seniors, physically impaired people, mentally handicapped people, paraplegics can use this facility. All of the above is what tax payers are being asked to pick up part of the bill for.
What is SIMA offering that you would like the tax payers to pick up the bill for?
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June Jackson on Nov 3, 2015 at 11:12 pm
It was just a matter of time before SIMA was back at the public trough looking for taxpayer money. Friends of Mt. SIMA... oh..we'll do it on donations..not so much, huh? Did the GNSS ever disband as it said it would? it's still an elite playground that only the select few can afford with limited offerings. Perhaps this money pit is not so much about SIMA as it is about paying off party supporters. Follow the money.. who is pouring campaign funds into the Yukon Party?
It should have been an eye opener to the Paslowski government when the sports folks did not get elected into City council. George Arcand got record low votes. $70,000 to SIMA huh George? To me that was saying, it's tough times in the Territory right now..no big hand outs to SIMA and no Soccer field. How many of us can afford to have our taxes jacked up again? The Paslowski government knows this is unpopular, but it is a measure of how well they 'listen' to the voters that there's our tax dollars flowing like water into the deep money pit that is Mt. Sima. Hmmmm not a can of beans for the food bank in there somewhere? Nope.. rob the seniors of a couple of hundred dollars a year? yup...
I can not wait to cast my vote in the '16 Territorial election. It's already on car windows.. "Paslowski for pharmacist".. that could be an indicator of the way the vote will go.
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Mark S on Nov 3, 2015 at 5:51 pm
Great News!
I hope the city is also generous to SIMA. It adds so much to our city and is a great facility.
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Yukoner on Nov 3, 2015 at 4:51 pm
Elite said it all. Just more of the same, wanting everything for free. Sell the lift and be done with it already. Whitehorse sure has become $%#hole for all these groups. Go to whistler.