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Duke professor to speak on fracking Thursday

A Duke University professor will give a talk at the Yukon Beringia Interpretive Centre tomorrow night – sort of.

By Amy Kenny on September 14, 2016

A Duke University professor will give a talk at the Yukon Beringia Interpretive Centre tomorrow night – sort of.

Dr. Avner Vengosh, a professor of Earth and Ocean Sciences at the North Carolina university, will Skype in for a presentation on the environmental and human health impacts associated with fracking.

Vengosh has been studying the issue for roughly the last seven years.

The event is being hosted by Yukoners Concerned About Oil and Gas Exploration/Development.

Don Roberts, a member of the group, said today Vengosh agreed to give the talk after having been to Whitehorse a year and a half ago to give a similar talk at the Alpine Bakery.

“We believe (fracking) is a serious issue,” said Roberts.

He said Yukoners Concerned is not against industry, mining nor development, but the organization does worry about having proper regulations and infrastructure in place.

He said the talk by Vengosh is, in part, a response to criticism the group has had that the arguments of Yukoners Concerned are not science-based.

Roberts said Vengosh has been doing work on the effects of fracking in the U.S., with a focus on the waste that results from drilling and fracking.

“They’ve been fracking the hell out of the country (the U.S.) and they’re starting to realize there are some consequences,” said Roberts.

According to Vengosh, whose research has looked at fracking in various locations including North Dakota, some of those consequences include spills.

“North Dakota is similar to Yukon in terms of climate and in North Dakota, we found there are thousands of spills from oil, from oil shale, and from fracking wells, mostly associated with leaking from pipes which we think is related to the extreme conditions,” he said in an interview today.

One of the ways Vengosh thinks drilling operations could potentially guard against spills and leaks would be to build a set of baseline data in the proposed drilling area, then continually measure water quality to ensure it’s not changing and contaminating surrounding soil and water.

Vengosh said this type of monitoring has not happened so far in the U.S., but he suspects it could minimize the impact of a practice like fracking. With Thursday’s talk, as with similar talks Vengosh has given in the last, he said he aims to give some balance to the opposing perspectives people tend to have when it comes to fracking (they dismiss potential for contamination, or they “freak out” about it), though he says every location has different issues to consider.

In a state such as Pennsylvania, where there is a history of heavy industry, and what Vengosh calls an “already interrupted system”, fracking might not be as bad.

“In the Yukon, this is one of the last pristine environments, so I think the question, more than the contamination, is ‘is this OK to have this area becoming an industrial area?’”

In addition to the Whitehorse event, Roberts said, there will be public events in Dawson City and Mayo.

He said there could also be groups in the Northwest Territories that organize to watch the presentation together.

Yukoners Concerned will try to record the talk and upload it, but Roberts said the public event is important to them because it will give members of the public a place to come together and discuss issues after the fact, rather than just watching at home in isolation.

The event will be livestreamed on YouTube through the account of Yukoners Concerned (“Yukoners Concerned about Oil and Gas Exploration”).

Tomorrow’s talk will begin at 6:30 p.m.

Comments (14)

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bill cuban on Sep 22, 2016 at 1:23 pm

@helland, "No one in the fracking industry will answer my question on the chemicals used in fracking"
if you would take the time and do a search, (Google is useful) you would find out B.C. Alberta and Saskatchewan governments require all fluids used for frac jobs be listed. Go on line to the appropriate department and they list ALL chemicals. Your local coffee shop waitress or waiter may not be the expert you assume them to be.
Alberta had a moratorium on fracking around Fox Creek while determining the cause of earthquakes. it found the injecting of waste fluids in disposal wells at high pressures was the cause and lifted the moratorium.

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Sandy Helland on Sep 20, 2016 at 5:27 pm

I'm in Alberta. The locals tell me fracking has been banned in Alberta. I did not research that. I apologize for quoting local street talk. For a moment I respected Alberta for haulting a destructive industry. I think Werner Rhein has the right word: moratorium.
I was so happy for Alberta, but it's local coffee shop chatter and nothing substantial. But a moratorium is a good start.
Thank you June Jackson for supporting my comment.
No one in the fracking industry will answer my question on the chemicals used in fracking. I believe it's because chemical companies (like Dow Chemical) cannot dispose of dangerous chemical waste. Therefore, these chemicals are buried deep in the earth under the front of fracking. Out of sight, out of mind. But these chemicals will surface at some future time. And it's long too late for cleanups. Just because the pollution is not showing close by does not mean it never will.
I reiterate: the Yukon is moving backwards by considering an industry that appears to be flat lining.

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Politico on Sep 16, 2016 at 10:31 pm

As usual, each side cherry picks their arguments and then lies. Throw in a couple of insults and the whole thing disintegrates into name calling. It's a shame Scientist are cut out of these arguments and political and economic arguments become the driving force. Too bad intelligence isn't part of human nature.

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Irwin Armstrong on Sep 15, 2016 at 6:34 pm

@prosciencegreenie What gold mining in Alberta? First I've heard of it. The only gold that I've heard being mined in Alberta is black gold.

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Werner Rhein on Sep 15, 2016 at 3:34 pm

I'm sorry but I have to give a comment to this;
First the article is incomplete and not well researched. Then there is also misleading information in some of the comments.
Alberta has no ban on Fracking, unfortunately. There are only moratoriums. The first one was in Quebec and not every where
and is slowly deteriorating. Then we had a moratorium for the Whitehorse Trough here in Yukon and it is ending with the term of the present government.
Then Nova Scotia declared a Moratorium. Now there is also a moratorium in New Brunswick after some police cars burned first and a government change.
There are also moratoriums and bans all around the world.

We are not more backwards here in Yukon than anywhere else. It is the same thing everywhere - there are no baseline data collected before any fossil fuel activity started. So nobody can prove in a court of law that the contamination in water, soil and air comes from activities of that industry.
There was only one group of farmers smart enough to do the collection of baseline data in Mora County, New Mexico. As the results got presented to the drilling company (Shell) dismantled the drill rig and left. Because now continuing test results would show and prove that contamination is from their activities. Now they try to sue the farmers for lost revenue.

The collection of baseline data was one (the most important one) of the 21 recommendations the Select Committee About Fracking came up with. And to my knowledge nothing on this is done so far or totally inadequate or incomplete. Because these data have to be collected over at least a period of two years in regular intervals.

An O&G industry in Yukon would do nothing to better the economy. Just look at Alberta, the oil and gas prices cough a little bit and the province is basically bankrupt. So are a lot of other jurisdiction, Counties and even States in the USA don’t get enough royalties and taxes from this industry to maintain the roads proper. Thousands of farmers are bankrupt because they never got the money that was promised to them. Because they overlooked the fine print in the contracts, payments are only made after the development costs are paid off and the same would be happening to First Nations in Yukon if they would or have signed agreement with the industry. Because the lifetime of frack wells is between five to seven years and the production of the wells is declining fast after the first few month.

Why are we called environuts or people who do not want any development? That is not true - all we want is sustainable development and not the destruction of it.
Because once the fracker’s are turned loose there is no control over them anymore. Regulations are only as good as the enforcement and accidents are happening and can’t be prevented by regulations.

The Scientist Avner Vengosh did research on chemical and radioactive contamination after a spill occurred and his results are not very inviting to get this kind of industry started in Yukon.
The main shareholder in Northern Cross Yukon, CNOOC a Chinese State Company has one of the worst polluters records in China. Do we really want Companies like this in our beautiful Yukon?

Jack Colby, how can you say what you say in your comment? The man has an accent and yes it is foreign but if you really wanted to listen to him you could have understood him.

I really want to invite all the commenters and readers of this article to come tonight to the Beringia Centre and get the first hand information of a Scientist.
Anyone unable to come could also see and hear it on;

http://yukonersconcerned.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d06442c602f26199268d0d4fc&id=cf413f0035&e=359f90ba74

Yukoners has another presentation from one of the top experts on fracking, who actually was major involved in developing of the technology, on September 29. 2016 at the same time 18:30 at the Beringia Center.

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Mark Sanders on Sep 15, 2016 at 3:21 pm

Please be civil and think this issue through.

Oil and gas deposits can be developed without fracking. We can tax and use locally produced oil and gas if stringent environmental standards are used. We can also refine it locally using similarly strict safeguards.

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Yukoners will just continue to pay $200 million a year to on Sep 15, 2016 at 2:03 pm

Alberta, BC and Alaska and create lots of jobs for them. Oil and gas will be around for another 40 years.
Why not use our own and create wealth for ourselves.

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Jack Colby on Sep 15, 2016 at 10:46 am

This guy mumbled and bumbled and stumbled through a talk on the radio this morning - WORST presentation ever.
I won't going to his talk at the Beringia Centre tomorrow night - it would be a waste of time.

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I don't need Don Roberts on Sep 14, 2016 at 9:28 pm

Once the frack is turned lose no one really knows where all the liquid, acid, sand, gas is going. They make their best guess from engineering reports that are based on the formation before the frack. Once your ground water is contaminated there is no such thing as unfracking. It's not like religion.

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ProScience Greenie on Sep 14, 2016 at 9:28 pm

Wait until Roberts and crew find out that Alberta gold miners are using oil patch fracking methods to successfully deal with frozen ground in the gold fields. They will totally flip out over that.

I'd rather we kept the stupid oil and gas industry out of the Yukon but it's a shame that to do so Roberts and crew are using fear and very bad science to do so. Wish we could simply keep it out because it's a stupid way to make a living despite the good wages.

Are you sure fracking is now banned in Alberta Sandy H?

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JC on Sep 14, 2016 at 9:27 pm

Wonder what it's costing the environuts for this. Why can't they just bring in two people who can have a serious and truthful debate of both sides
of the issue. There are the pros and cons out there, but the environuts just want their side discussed. This guy says he studied it for years? Yeah just his side obviously. Hope they're not charging for this farce.

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bill cuban on Sep 14, 2016 at 8:15 pm

Sandy Helland, you should check your facts, fracking is not banned in Alberta. Just maybe, it's you and your beliefs which are backwards.

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June Jackson on Sep 14, 2016 at 7:34 pm

I realize that the Yukon's economic recovery will depend on how we manage our resources. Fracking is NOT responsible mining practice.

Sandy Helland: Supporting your comment.

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Sandy Helland on Sep 14, 2016 at 3:52 pm

Fracking has been banned in many parts of Canada. Alberta has banned fracking.
Why are we so backward in Yukon?

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