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General Enterprises (GE) president Doug Gonder

Don’t evict me, pit operator urges city

General Enterprises (GE) president Doug Gonder says he’ll be in a pickle if the city does not reverse its decision to have him vacate the gravel pit he’s been working for several years.

By Whitehorse Star on February 25, 2022

General Enterprises (GE) president Doug Gonder says he’ll be in a pickle if the city does not reverse its decision to have him vacate the gravel pit he’s been working for several years.

Gonder said in an interview this week the gravel pit he’s working between the Alaska Highway and Ear Lake still has an estimated 1.2 million cubic metres of prime material remaining – the best material in Whitehorse.

A letter explaining his situation was sent to the city last week, and Gonder addressed city council at its meeting Monday.

The lease on the gravel pit expired in 2016, and Gonder has been working on year-to-year approvals since then. He was given the eviction notice last year.

The city has declined to put a new long-term lease in place, Gonder notes in his letter.

“The primary reason for the attempted renewal is that there remains extensive gravel resource on the property, one which would allow Norcon (a subsidiary) to continue operations for years to come,” says the letter to city council.

Gonder said with a shift in the Official Community Plan (OCP), the city’s preference is to maintain the area as green space.

In his letter, the company president writes it does not make sense to put green space over an industrial area.

He’s hoping with a new city council elected in October 2021, he can get the city to reconsider the eviction notice.

There’s been a lease on the gravel pit in place for decades, says his letter. GE took over the lease in 2010.

He says in his letter the lease states if the city terminates it, it’s obligated to identify alternate lands for a quarry, but has failed to do so.

Gonder said to haul out of the quarry on the McLean Lake Road would require him to buy gravel off the current lease holders, at a cost considerably higher than he can produce it for.

The gravel resource in the McLean Lake quarry is running out, he added.

Hauling from the quarry located near Kookatsoon Lake off the Carcross Road would increase the cost of gravel substantially – $60 a cubic metre – as it would be a two-hour round trip between the quarry and the Whistle Bend subdivision, he said.

Gonder said the future of the huge gravel resource known as the Stevens quarry at the north end of the city remains uncertain and unknown, as it has been for years now.

Stevens is one of the largest known gravel resources in the city, if not the largest, but the Yukon government has not made the land available.

GE has identified an area in the Steven’s quarry it would like to access but has not been able to, despite a positive recommendation from the Yukon Environmental and Socio-economic Assessment Board.

Hauling from Stevens to Whistle Bend would make financial sense, but there is just no opportunity, he said.

Gonder told council Monday it makes no sense to haul from the Carcross Cutoff, doubling the cost of gravel and contributing to the escalating price of housing. There are, he said, quarry options much closer.

Home buyers are already struggling to get mortgage approvals because of the cost of housing, he said.

The city promotes the reduction of greenhouse gases, yet fails to see the most contributing factor: transportation, Gonder said.

The longer the truck haul, the more greenhouse gas emissions, he suggested.

Gonder said if he does have to stop quarrying his pit, he’d like to move to an area near the Utah Transfer. GE has spent a considerable amount of money proving up the resource at Utah, and already has a positive recommendation from the assessment board.

Gravel, said Gonder, is essential for making concrete, is essential for development, such as the brisk residential construction going on in Whistle Bend.

Gonder says he’s been standing in front of city council for 10 years now warning of a gravel shortage to come.

“We must fast-track a gravel source now, not later,” he writes, adding Utah could be one of the fast track options.

He writes his company applied to the city for Utah quarry approval, but was turned down by city council.

When a known gravel source is depleted, he writes, there is just not a hole in the ground left behind, but a groomed site ready for public use.

“I am hopeful with a new city council in place and a fresh vision that may differ from the past, we can all agree there’s no time left for studies: we, the builders of the city of Whitehorse, need action now.”

Coun. Kirk Cameron said he has heard from developers and industry in general regarding the continued supply of gravel, just as Gonder had pointed out at the beginning of the meeting.

There were also questions from council regarding the future of the Stevens quarry.

Acting city manager Jeff O’Farrell said its future has been raised by Mayor Laura Cabott and the territorial government regularly recently.

“I would say that gets raised at least every other week for the last couple of months,” O’Farrell told council. “There is no path forward at this stage.”

O’Farrell said the Stevens area is designated for gravel extraction under the OCP.

“There is an ongoing conversation between the city and the territorial government.”

Council does have a meeting scheduled for April 28 to discuss gravel supply in the city.

Energy, Mines and Resources Minister John Streicker said in an interview this morning there is no timeline for opening up the Stevens Quarry.

He said previous decisions from the assessment board on applications to move into Stevens resulted in a number of conditions.

A decision document by the previous Yukon Party government set out some 40 to 50 conditions that needed to be met before Stevens could be opened up, he said.

Streicker said those conditions call for planning work to be completed first, in partnership with the First Nation governments, the city and the community.

While there is no timeline to begin the planning work, the matter is under active discussion, he said.

“There is a lot of work that has to happen,” he said. “We are in conversation with other governments about that work.”

Streicker noted the former minister of EMR, Ranj Pillai, stated publicly it would take several years to complete the planning work.

When Stevens was proposed years and years ago, there was significant resistance expressed by surrounding residents, and a protest petition was circulated. Noise, truck traffic and dust concerns were raised.

Gonder suggested that resistance remains among a few loud or influential voices in the community that governments don’t want to face.

Late in the 2021 election campaign, Tracey Jacobs, the Liberal candidate for Lake Laberge, distributed written assurances to riding residents that a re-elected Liberal government would not authorize the opening of the Stevens deposit.

Comments (34)

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Mitch Holder on Mar 28, 2022 at 12:41 pm

Thoughts and prayers to Gonder...but in all seriousness, the problem of people moving here and bringing their failure into our government is becoming untenable. We need gravel, readily available to keeps our roads safe and for this, we might have to deal with that super inconvenient access road to the city. I think after this winters' failure by COW to keep our roads viable, they would learn to get the job done and play nice with others, especially those who operate locally to get the job done. They want to dither on aiding this service, but have no qualms about accepting raises, building a Super friends base when all we needed was a city hall and proposing more bike trails.
Can we just fire the municipal council and establish a new one please? I am sick of their woke ineptitude; I didn't vote for it, I don't pay for it and I will not accept it.

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YD on Mar 18, 2022 at 2:42 pm

I'm with Gonder on this one...

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Nathan Living on Mar 1, 2022 at 9:26 pm

What level of protection should be offered for the Ear Lake area?
The City study suggested sand could be hauled in for a beach.

Mine gravel or go in a completely opposite direction?
The City needs to be honest when deciding what they want. A recreation destination close to town or continued gravel extraction and asphalt production.

Why waste time and money on City planning and public engagement when council fumbles with both direction and clarity.

If the gravel business is not compatible then shut it down. If the business has 1 or 3 years left then allow that but make a decision based on the OCP and good intent.

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Yukoner61 on Mar 1, 2022 at 8:46 pm

@Austin Not true. The former MLA for Lake Laberge charged like a $1000 bucks or so. So why does Brad Cathers need 20-25 times that amount? Also, Scott Kent and John Streicker both live about as far out of town as Cathers but they only charge a fraction of that. I don't know why you can't just admit that this guy is gouging taxpayers. Also, why are you putting 'honk' at the end of your posts, are you a fan of geese or something?

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Austin on Mar 1, 2022 at 10:52 am

@Yukoner61
Tracey Jacobs would put in for the same amount if not more because she lives in this riding so you shouldn't bring up what Cathers charges as the Liberal leader or any leader of any party would charge the same thing. I respect Cathers for all the work he has done in our riding.
Thanks Brad for all your hard work and good luck in the next election. Honk honk honk

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Austin on Mar 1, 2022 at 6:48 am

When Castle Rocks pit was put in it was owned by the Bonnycastle family then it was sold. It wasn't started there by an Indigenous Company. Put the pit in.

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Yukoner61 on Feb 28, 2022 at 8:28 pm

@Austin You do understand that Stephens quarry will NEVER get developed so long as Brad Cathers is elected right? He has been adamantly against this development for over a decade and so obviously whenever the Yukon Party gets back into power, that will be the end of it for good.

Aside from that, congrats on supporting the guy who charges like $20-25,000 a year simply for driving into work everyday. He even charges for food for the LONG journey from Laberge to Whitehorse. That is the epitome of political entitlement. I think all of you people in Laberge should have to pay for his expenses since it is you guys who keep electing him despite the huge costs of doing so. He also has the largest lifetime pension of any politician. It is beyond ironic that you talk about Liberal entitlement when referring to this guy who exemplifies it. Just like Currie Dixon he has basically never held a job outside of government and is now rich because of it. Well done, people of Laberge, well done. Slow Clap.

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No kidding on Feb 28, 2022 at 3:49 pm

@Fringe minority with unacceptable views - that is what this past and current mayor and council are all about - stupid ideas - new city hall with transit hub and snow removal study - and a waste of time and taxpayer dollars (that includes taxpayer dollars from federal and territorial governments)!!!

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Philip Merchant on Feb 28, 2022 at 3:22 pm

Just to remind folks about the positions that the Liberals and the Yukon Party took in the last election. The Yukon Party's Brad Cathers promised that they WOULD NOT develop the so called Steven's Quarry. At Brad's urging the Liberal party promised not to create the quarry IN THIS MANDATE but left the door open after that.

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@Austin on Feb 28, 2022 at 2:23 pm

Perhaps it has something to do with the ethnicity of the quarry owners. Castle Rock is an Indigenous owned company, Norcope is not.

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Austin on Feb 28, 2022 at 9:06 am

@ Develop the Quarry
I live in the neighbourhood of Stevens Quarry and I for one do not have a problem with development of the pit as Castle Rocks pit is just across the road. Never any dust and the noise is minimal. I say develop the pit. Oh and I for one do not believe in NIMBY. I also would like to thank the people of our riding for voting Brad Cathers back in and saying no to Tracey Jacobs. We don't need anymore entitled Liberals. Honk honk.

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JustSayin' on Feb 28, 2022 at 7:51 am

Ummm, noise? Because the prr of the Cat generators at Yukon Electric is not a sensory disturbance or the airplanes which fly overhead! Why is the COW overstepping?

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Fair play is playing fair on Feb 27, 2022 at 8:28 pm

Eviction is a bitch. Turnabout is an even bigger bitch. Keep warm, Dougie.

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bonanzajoe on Feb 27, 2022 at 3:44 pm

BB. Me thinks you are the one that has the problem with misrepresenting. Show me a gravel truck that can make a one way trip from from the gravel pit at Kookatsoon Lake to Whistle bend.

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Vern Schlimbesser on Feb 27, 2022 at 12:14 pm

We need aggregates to build, so let's close what we have and make them harder to get.
We don't have sufficient electrical energy, so let's convert everything to electrical.
We rely on oil for everything we eat, and wear, and use for shelter, so let's outlaw it.
We expand on administration and oversight until it is the primary activity in our Territory that consumes our time and money to the ration of 2:1.
Any human on the planet at any time in the past would identify this behaviour as a diagnosis of mental illness.
If you find this continue behaviour acceptable, ask yourself some questions;
Would you do all this if left to your evaluations?
Or, are you accepting someone else's desires, justifications and directions.

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Bandit on Feb 27, 2022 at 10:25 am

@BB
You may be correct that it is about 45 min to his current site from Kookatsoon lk. but Mr. Gonder said it would be about a 2 hr round trip to Whistlebend not that it would add 2 hrs to the trip.
Secondly, I can only assume that the Utah transfer is off the table because of the people that live across the highway from that location... last name Boyd?

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AdmiralA$$ on Feb 27, 2022 at 8:22 am

Libs/NDP build lots...lots of tax funded committees to discuss things that are well known.

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Austin on Feb 27, 2022 at 8:15 am

Is the City going to tell Skookum to shut down their pit or Annie Lake trucking and Territorial Contracting to shut theirs down? They are all in the same location.

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Develop the Quarry on Feb 26, 2022 at 8:15 pm

I don't understand why the the government doesn't develop Steven's Quarry. This article says that Tracy Jacobs, who ran for the Liberals, promised not to develop it if elected. Then the people out that way voted overwhelmingly for Brad Cathers instead. They crushed Tracy Jacobs at the polls, therefore the Liberals have no reason not to develop it. Plus it's just a bunch of NIMBY types out there opposing it anyway. You always have people who will oppose any development no matter what and if government always listened to them, nothing would ever get done. So just do it already.

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Entitled White Privilege on Feb 26, 2022 at 4:49 pm

Let the First Nations provide the gravel…

They can do it for 20% less I understand.

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DG on Feb 26, 2022 at 1:43 pm

Problem the city has is that no matter where industrial activity exists there has to be a process to make sure what the needs are before any zoning changes. Why would anyone from administration reduce the size of an existing business when its quite obvious there's an overwhelming public need for the concrete supply for the city, growing by 30%+ a year, an alternative is vital to have in place before the city shuts down any operations.

So while a quarry has been in place since the early 60’s with 1.2million meters gravel identified remaining supply, why would this not be depleted first to keep industrial activity on going where it has historically operated.
Any OCP green space identification can easily be developed to add to the final end of any quarry so the city has a free of cost value to beautify those more sensitive areas for recreation parks later.
It’s unfortunate while gigantic dollars have been wasted on studies of what to do no one from the city has ever walked the operation with the owner the last 10 years.
The city has the obligations to work with all businesses of the community to avoid any production losses to supply the city.
Unfortunately, poor communication and delays year after year with the same people behind those ongoing decisions end with no positive results for anyone.
We need a city administration supporting business, reduce the red tape attached to most approvals and promote growth of the city.
End of the day no matter what business it may be they are there for a value to the city, obviously a company serving the Yukon since 1963 has to have made its own land mark enough to maintain its foundations and requirements as is.

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Oya on Feb 26, 2022 at 11:21 am

@ BB I think your math is wrong. It is a lot more than 14 km from the Carcross corner to Wann Road in PC... the connector to Whistlebend.
"The city promotes the reduction of greenhouse gases, yet fails to see the most contributing factor: transportation, Gonder said." He's got a very good point there. Another good point is that the cost of any increases will be borne by builders in Whistlebend making those houses even more out of touch for the average person.
Why not deplete the gravel source there before making it into a green space? Plus, as someone else said, with the asphalt plant in the same vicinity, how does that work into the "green space" view?

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Juniper Jackson on Feb 26, 2022 at 10:39 am

Max Mack. I believe you are correct. CoW is after a few of the quarries. There is always a hidden agenda, Doug, get a lawyer and fight them, get a truck convoy around City Hall..go to council meetings and raise holy hell. Do not let the City take control of your lively hood. I have had it up to my eyebrows with dictatorial decision makers. If it comes to you or them, let it be them.

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Groucho d'North on Feb 26, 2022 at 9:14 am

Working at the speed of goverrnment.

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Fringe minority with unacceptable views on Feb 26, 2022 at 9:05 am

Make it a green space?! LMAO! Yes people will love a space in an industrial area near an asphalt plant. Who’s brilliant idea is this one? Anyone who is actually from here knows this is a stupid idea and a waste of time and money.

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Burt on Feb 25, 2022 at 10:53 pm

So his company had already signed a contract with YG for set prices of his services to the new Whistle Bend building projects. And NOW they want to move his operations exponentially further from its destination, leaving him to pay the difference in transportation of said goods out of pocket? That is an egregious overstep. We call that a scam.

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jack on Feb 25, 2022 at 10:34 pm

What is wrong with these people at the City, too much time on their hands?

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Max Mack on Feb 25, 2022 at 7:39 pm

There seems to be a coordinated effort by CoW and GY to constrain gravel supply, which also increases cost to the consumer.

Maybe because they have "preferred providers" in mind to take over once they force the existing suppliers out?

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BB on Feb 25, 2022 at 6:57 pm

"Hauling from the quarry located near Kookatsoon Lake off the Carcross Road would increase the cost of gravel substantially – $60 a cubic metre – as it would be a two-hour round trip between the quarry and the Whistle Bend subdivision, he said."

I wonder the rest of his argument is as disingenuous as this. Kookatsoon is 5 km down the Carcross Road. The quarry I believe is about 3 km past the lake. 8 km on the Carcross Road plus 14 km on the alaska highway = 24 km one way, 50 km round trip to his current location. That adds maybe 45 minutes round trip to the drive to Whistlebend, not two hours.

Sounds like Doug is padding his argument badly. That's the problem with misrepresenting things. It throws everything else into doubt as well.

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martin on Feb 25, 2022 at 6:50 pm

CoW: What's the rush to turn that into a green area? You own it and it'll be back to you better than before.

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Gerald on Feb 25, 2022 at 6:29 pm

Doug is telling it like it is - gravel/aggregates are a necessity for concrete and thus the construction industry, and finding a high quality quarry with the right material that can be crushed and used for redi-mix is not a common occurrence. Some areas might have too much sand, too much clay, or if there is decent deposits there might not be enough quality material to set up shop and make it worthwhile.
There's a lot to making aggregates for concrete - you have screeners, belts, gensets, crushers, excavators, loaders, wash plants, etc. To move all of that from site to site over and over again is not feasible. City council needs to better understand the metrics of what it takes to operate a gravel pit, even when you have an available quarry. At the end of the day though, no aggregates no redi-mix, no redi-mix no building.

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Nathan Living on Feb 25, 2022 at 5:36 pm

It seems that council arbitrarily uses the OCP to stop some things but ignores the OCP in many situations.

The City has to stop the ongoing bullying that comes from administration and council.

If the OCP provides the path for decision making then follow it more often. When residents say something is protected through the OCP then support them.

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Dustin on Feb 25, 2022 at 5:34 pm

“ Noise, truck traffic and dust concerns were raised.”

The stretch of road by Walmart is exactly as described by what NIMBYists worry most about. Sitting in a bus box waiting as a fast car races by blowing a sandstorms worth right in your face. Time and again progress is impeded to save face value for what?

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bonanzajoe on Feb 25, 2022 at 3:22 pm

Conservatives build - Liberals and NDP demolish.

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