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Dismissed YG worker takes quest to appeal court

A former territorial government senior business developer has pleaded his case to the Yukon Court of Appeal to overturn a decision to dismiss his application for judicial review of his termination and lift an injunction against him.

By Gord Fortin on November 26, 2018

A former territorial government senior business developer has pleaded his case to the Yukon Court of Appeal to overturn a decision to dismiss his application for judicial review of his termination and lift an injunction against him.

Andrew Schaer argued his case Friday, with the appeal being heard by Justices Shannon Smallwood, John Savage and Barbara Fisher.

Schaer argued that he was fired for disciplinary reasons but that the government disguised it as a release on probation.

He took the court through the sequence of events that led to his dismissal.

He alleged to have witnessed and said he was victim to systemic discrimination in the workplace, beginning two days into his employment. He was hired on May 10, 2017, and alleged he was a victim of both linguistic and religious discrimination.

He claims that a co-worker made a comment indicating that speaking French was not welcome in the workplace. Schaer said he was speaking to a federal government employee on the phone at the time.

He explained upon questioning that he did not raise this concern with his superiors because he felt he would be reprised against.

“I didn’t want to rock the boat,” he said.

As for the religious discrimination, Schaer alleges that his direct supervisor constantly took the Lord’s name in vain during one of their conversations.

Schaer, a practising Christian, took offence to this.

He explained that he would take his lunches at his desk and pray before eating, thus his faith should have been known. He argued this was a targeted attempt to get him out of the workplace.

He told the court he witnessed and recorded a conversation between co-workers who were mocking First Nations.

He decided to digitally record conversations under first party consent laws because he wanted to have proof of what was happening. This was after he alleges being told his employment wouldn’t last if he became a “liability.”

Schaer would bring the incidents to his employer’s attention when he learned his probation would be extended a further six months. He said he was at his wits’ end by this time.

Schaer told the court he brought the incidents to the attention of Steven Rose, the Corporate Planning and Economic Policy assistant deputy minister.

He alleges that Rose told him he would not do anything about it. After hearing that, Schaer felt he had no other choice but to blow the whistle.

“He (Rose) forced my hand,” Schaer said.

He argued that as per Section 35 of the Yukon Human Rights Act, an employer must rectify cases of discrimination upon learning of it. He added that employers become responsible for the discrimination provided nothing is done.

He argued that this meant laws were broken. He thus argued that Justice Leigh Gower, in his October decision, had been mistaken to determine that although the reported comments were inappropriate for the workplace, none of it was illegal. He argued that the comments were a violation of a territorial statute.

He also argued that the government did not fully comply with Gower’s disclosure order prior to the spring hearing subject of this appeal.

The missing disclosure, he believed, was the reason and analysis of his firing. Schaer alleges he never received this document, and Gower did not consider this in his decision.

Schaer then told the court that Justin Ferbey, Economic Development’s deputy minister, said his termination was a release on probation while the human resources department ruled as a disciplinary due to him recording people.

He alleges he was locked in a room on Nov. 8, the day of his termination, in an attempt to confiscate the recordings.

He explained his employer wanted to search his bag without a warrant. Schaer eventually called the RCMP, after which he was permitted to leave. He said this is bad faith criminal behaviour that Gower did not consider in his decision.

He also pointed out that Gower had been wrong to declare that he is not a whistleblower.

He argues he is a whistleblower under the Yukon Public Interest Disclosure of Wrongdoing Act. He added he is entitled to protection under common law.

The next error he pointed out was Gower saying options other than a judicial review were available.

Schaer explained this was not the case because the Yukon Employees’ Union (YEU) refused to represent him.

“The union cut me off and hung me out to dry,” he said.

He added he took the matter up with the YEU in a timely manner. The union was made aware of the situation, when Schaer sent out an email disclosing the incidences.

The recipients included Deputy Premier Ranj Pillai, Ferbey and Rose on Nov. 3. On Nov. 5, he sent the information to the union.

I. H. Fraser, the lawyer representing the government, argued that Schaer’s employer had reasonable grounds to release him on probation. He said Gower supported this and maintained that Schaer was not fired for whistleblowing.

In this case, he said, there was no need for a judicial review. He said that Gower had a right to use his discretion.

Fraser argued that Schaer tried to use his recordings to leverage a permanent job from Rose. He explained that Rose did not follow up on Schaer’s complaints of discrimination because it was not his responsibility, as it was Schaer’s responsibility to pursue this.

He explained the government did investigate Schaer’s claims, as per Ferbey’s evidence.

He added that Schaer could have received adjudication through the union, and if he was unhappy with the results, he could have appealed the union decision.

Fraser pointed out that Schaer did appeal the union decision. He explained that after the appeal failed, Schaer could have pursued the union.

If the adjudicator deems termination legitimate, Fraser explained, there is no more relief.

He said Gower relied on this for his decision.

In response, Schaer said there were not many reasons to release him on probation. The only issue he recalled was a complaint against him, of being too aggressive in idea generation.

He said management brought up this issue with him, but said it was walked back on two occasions. He said he could not think of any other complaint.

As for union representation, he explained that YEU will not represent a worker until after the probationary period concludes. He added that he was fired the same day he met with the YEU.

The three justices reserved their decision to a later date.

Comments (41)

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Jackson on Jul 5, 2019 at 9:37 am

These comments certainly didn't age well at all. So sorry your unanimous appellate court loss Mr. Schaer. It still stands that irreconcilable differences are, and will always be, reasonable justification for termination of employment.

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JT on Dec 12, 2018 at 8:52 am

@Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open
Th
is drama Schaer has escalated reminds me of my ex-wife. She had a fascinating ability to take facts and, in her mind, draw imaginary lines for which she would "read" between to reach conclusions that no one around her, with the same set of facts, could even have conceived of. To her, these conclusions were as matter of fact as the nose on her face. Most of the time the consequences were fairly benign but occasionally simple matters would escalate into full-blown war. It is hard to come back from such escalations and the fall-out / damage impacted everyone around her, affected her employment, relationships and life in devastating ways. There are striking similarities in this court drama and in Schaer's past court fights that I can relate to from my life with my ex-wife.

My ex-wife eventually got professional help and is much better and more self-aware.



For Andrew I'll share a quote:

"An exciting and inspiring future awaits you beyond the noise in your mind, beyond the guilt, doubt, fear, shame, insecurity and heaviness of the past you carry around." ~Debbie Ford

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Jackson on Dec 12, 2018 at 7:19 am

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm not sure what you're even trying to insinuate. Hey maybe it was illicit gambling money they made and needed to conceal it as donations? Or maybe they had fun watching the game while raising donations through ticket sales from donors?

It seems you're just bent on taking random ingredients for a big ole conspiracy cake you're baking - with the hope that someday you'll be lucky enough that something will actually rise and not be too bitter to swallow. Good Luck and Happy Baking!

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Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open on Dec 11, 2018 at 4:29 pm

@ 'Jackson'
Nice DEFLECTION, 'Jackson'. You still haven't answered the question:

'Why would Premier Sandy Silver and Deputy Premier Ranj Pillai attend a Vancouver Canucks - Montreal Canadiens hockey game in Vancouver in April 2018 to raise $20,000 in cash from 40 donors (reported April 19, 2018 by the Yukon News)?'

While you're at it, 'Jackson' - given that you're so sure that Schaer will lose his appeal, what's the going rate these days for a judgment in the Yukon?

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Jackson on Dec 11, 2018 at 2:32 pm

@Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open

Seriously, I think you have far more important and time consuming problems to worry about. You should really start brushing up on your Supreme Court protocols. Sheesh

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Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open on Dec 11, 2018 at 12:57 pm

@ 'Jackson'

While we're on the subject of 'public reporting', Yukoners should be asking themselves why Premier Sandy Silver and Deputy Premier Ranj Pillai would have attended a Vancouver Canucks - Montreal Canadiens hockey game in Vancouver in April 2017 to raise $20,000 in cash from 40 donors (reported April 19, 2017 by the Yukon News).

Why pray tell would Slippery Sandy Silver's LIEberals need to raise $20,000 in cash? Cash? Seriously? What? Did the donors not have access to their cheque books? Did they forget their pens at their offices?

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Jackson on Dec 11, 2018 at 8:23 am

While I am not a lawyer and clearly neither are you, I know a thing or two because I've seen a thing or two. Admittedly, I don't have any more knowledge than what's been put out in public reporting - you're clearly much more intimately involved.

Come what come may - in the end Mr. Schaer will get the decision he deserves, whatever that may be. Peace!

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Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open on Dec 10, 2018 at 12:17 am

@ 'Jackson'
You know, 'Jackson' for someone who claims to be a Yukon business owner, you sure sound like YG's in-house legal counsel. You're even using the same legal double-speak and weak mantra used by him.

Know this:
1) the EVIDENCE (not your conjecture) at both the application for judicial review and the appeal showed that Schaer suffered abuse, bullying, harassment and intimidation starting from his 2nd day at work for YG (this fact was also confirmed by the former ADM in his November 3, 2017 memo) which was the reason that Schaer began recording certain of his coworkers in the first place;

2) the EVIDENCE (again, not your conjecture, or 'opinion') at both the application for judicial review and the appeal showed that within 1 month of starting work for YG, Schaer suffered systemic discrimination at the hands of his former Director (who coincidentally no longer works for YG, and instead shucks oysters for a living - if Schaer is so full of it, then why did YG fire the former Director?);

3) the EVIDENCE (again, not your conjecture, or 'opinion' or some 'rumor') at both the application for judicial review and the appeal showed that by September and October 2017, Schaer had recorded 3 of his coworkers in a staff meeting stating that Indigenous Self-Determination was 'bullsh*t'; that Indigenous youth weren't smart enough to graduate high school; and that it would be 'cheaper for YG to simply mail them their high school leaving certificates' instead of them attending school; and 1 month later, while Schaer was speaking French (his Mother tongue) during a business telephone call at work, a coworker told Schaer to: "Take that f***ing French sh*t some place else!". The recordings and transcripts are out there on the Internet and I've heard all of them - deal with it;

4) NOWHERE IN THE EVIDENCE (again, not your conjecture, or 'opinion' or something 'shiny' waved in the air by you to distract the Judges) at either the application for judicial review or the appeal WAS THERE ANY SUCH THING WHICH SHOWED THAT SCHAER ATTEMPTED TO EXTORT ANYTHING FROM YG SENIOR MANAGEMENT.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the reason that you work for YG cleaning up their legal dumpster fires is that you weren't cracked up to be a lawyer in the private sector? It would certainly go a long way to explain why you need to stoop to such a low level to pretend to be someone else on this discussion thread, and use the classic DENY, DEFLECT, DISTRACT (AND IF ALL ELSE FAILS) - DECEIVE YG strategy in your pathetic attempt to shape YG's false narrative.

Stop vilifying victims of YG Senior Management's misfeasance, corruption and gross incompetence - no one believes you. FACTS ARE FACTS. In Schaer's case, the facts are stacked against YG and its incompetent and corrupt senior managers and public officials.

Peace out
(drops microphone and walks off the stage)

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Jackson on Dec 8, 2018 at 9:42 am

Boil off all the bullcrap and complaints about paperwork not getting done on time, this whole drama of Mr. Schaer’s falls on two basic questions:

1) Did he spend months recording colleagues trying to capture something he could use against them? There is no legitimate justification for this and there are no doubt processes and practices in place to raise and, where appropriate, remedy his concerns.

2) Did he, as YG contends, threaten or attempt to coerce senior administration staff to give him a permanent position using his recordings as leverage? While this may amount to a he said / she said, this is called extortion and is a serious criminal offense.

Answering yes to either of these questions any employer anywhere would have fired Mr. Schaer immediately. He talks about the employer acting in bad faith, yet he did do 1 and/or 2 which would have the effect of completely eroding all trust and faith his employer and colleagues would have in him.

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Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open on Dec 7, 2018 at 7:21 pm

@ Jackson
Once again, you are WRONG. The Human Resource Director's October 25, 2017 email to Schaer's former Director stated that as of October 25, 2017 that YG NEVER EVEN STARTED SCHAER'S EMPLOYEE PERFORMANCE REVIEW.

This same email was part of court ordered disclosure which was SWORN TO IN THE DEPUTY MINISTER'S AFFIDAVIT. Therefore, it's not an 'opinion' as you pathetically and desperately claim, but an ACCEPTED FACT AT LAW.
Now go ahead and try to 'spin' that, 'Jackson'.
Tell your LIEberal task-masters that they've lost - in both the court of public opinion and soon the Court of Appeal.

(drops microphone and walks off the stage)

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Jackson on Dec 7, 2018 at 3:14 pm

@Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open

Yet, this information was said to have been provided to Mr. Schaer and he was offered an extension of his probationary period, with direction to work on those very concerns. Your argument is that this didn't happen and the HR email proves it - again, this is information, not proof - sworn testimony can clarify details and shed more light on the facts. In the end, even if a formal review were to have been done late, what's the reasonable remedy? Complete review asap? Extend probation and note concerns - oh that was done, weird? None of this either way changes your ultimate fate.

The collective agreement says this can be an informal review and I gather the government claims they met this obligation - frankly, it's a pretty low bar for them to meet. Good luck with the rest of your arguments.

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Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open on Dec 6, 2018 at 8:21 pm

@ 'Jackson'

Article 17.11 (1) (a) (i), 1) and 2) (iii) of the Collective Agreement REQUIRES that during the probationary employee's first 6 months, that:
1) the probationary employee's Supervisor SHALL advise the probationary employee on the standard of his/her performance and conduct;
2) If the Supervisor deems said performance or conduct to be unsatisfactory, then the Supervisor SHALL advise the probationary employee of the specific areas of concern, the standard of performance and/or conduct expected; AND
3) the method for improvement.
At both the Application for Judicial Review and the Appeal, Schaer proved (using YG's own internal emails from Schaer's former Director and the Human Resources Director) that none of this was done.

The Human Resources Director's email to Schaer's former Director dated October 25, 2017 stated that Schaer's Employee Performance Review hadn't even been started as of that date and advised Schaer's former Director that he needed to start Schaer's Employee Performance Review and complete it prior to the expiration of Schaer's initial probationary period. The record shows that he didn't. Instead, the same evidence showed that the Director convinced the Deputy Minister to extend Schaer's initial probation and then when Schaer blew the whistle on the systemic discrimination, the Deputy Minister fired Schaer for recording the systemic discrimination. They are done like dinner.

So once again, you're just plain WRONG. Now you can go back to shaping the young mind of your 8-year old son.
I can just imagine your family's dinner conversation this holiday season:

"You know, Son - facts are not facts. There are such things as 'alternative facts' and votes (up and down) are not votes. It's all fake news and proof of the 'deep state' conspiracy! Now let's all put on our tin foil hats so that the whistleblowers can't read our thoughts"

SMH

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Jackson on Dec 6, 2018 at 3:39 pm

@Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open

You've made this claim before, that you were owed something that you didn't get - a performance review. For fun, I looked it up. There is no Yukon legislation that lays out what that is. The collective agreement stipulates that an INFORMAL performance review is required by the end of the probation period - that's all it says. You claim the DM perjured himself in his statement and hold up as "proof" an HR email stating a review is required. Umm, does it? Both of these things can be true. Again, you're torturing the facts, twisting and contorting to suit your agenda. My 8 year old is capable enough to pick apart these arguments - though to be fair, he is pretty clever.

Wow, now you're going after the elected officials too? Gee, what did they have to do with this? Lol, you do know in the case of Man v. World, World crushes Man right?

The likes on here, up or down, don't mean a darn thing. They are easily manipulated by anyone with a computer, time and inclination to mess around with them. Clearly, some on here enjoy this pointless exercise and then hold up their pointless manipulated data and declare it proof of public support. Have at it, fill your boots buddy.

I've got no dog in this fight. I only chimed in because the exceptionally dubious claim of discrimination against Mr. Schaer was particularly upsetting and puts into serious question the credibility and character of the man himself.

While this has been fun and wonderfully entertaining, I've got a plane to catch. Merry Christmas!

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Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open on Dec 6, 2018 at 12:57 pm

@ 'Jackson'

My dearest 'Jackson':

Your dogged determination to spin and bend the truth is reminiscent of the 'good work' of the Peoples Republic of China's 50 Cent Brigade - infamous for receiving 50 American cents for each post of (PRC government written) propaganda posted on local and foreign Internet social media in support of its totalitarian regime.

In all seriousness - look at the thumbs down on your comments. You and Slippery Sandy Silver's LIEberal administration have already lost public support on this issue. Mark my words - during the next territorial election, those chickens will come home to roost and Slippery Sandy Silver et al will be sent packing back to Antigonish.

Schaer is going to win his appeal for the simple reason that when the Deputy Minister of Economic Development opted to 'reject' Schaer under S. 104 of the Public Service Act, he lacked 'cause' - which is a requirement under the statute. Because the evidence clearly showed that YG never attempted to either start or complete Schaer's Employee Performance Review prior to Schaer being 'rejected' on probation, YG NO 'CAUSE' TO REJECT SCHAER.

The multitude of laws broken by YG in the process and YG's and the Deputy Minister's, ADM's and Director's bad faith in their dealings with Schaer which Schaer proved in court is just the icing on the (corrupt and rancid) cake.

Peace out

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JT on Dec 6, 2018 at 11:52 am

Y'all are too funny. But this is serious, his accusations are serious. Even if he can't actually prove anything, he was treated very badly by people who were supposed to coddle and support him and that is shameful. Even if he deserves all the shat he gets, it doesn't seem right. For his plight though, the nut of it is government could replace their lawyer with a cantaloupe and likely still win this. Best of luck to him though.

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Jackson on Dec 5, 2018 at 4:48 pm

@Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open

I love that you're unrelentingly confident in your position - good for you!
However, taking a comment, inferring there is corrupt intent in the person's heart and holding that up as proof proves nothing. That's not proof, that's information coloured by conjecture at best. The judges will determine whether any of that amounts to proof of anything in particular and to what judgement is warranted. So far, Mr. Schaer is largely on the losing end of that gambi

The employer has their pick of various justifications to support the termination and the simple fact that they discussed and selected the least administrative option available to them doesn't change Mr. Schaer's ultimate fate. That, in effect, is Justice Gower's determination. I have seen no argument by you or others that would change his fate. As you'd say, put a fork in him - he's done like dinner. Though I don't mean to be so crude. He's a human being and deserves more dignity than that statement affords him. I am concerned for his well-being and sincerely hope when all is said and done that he shakes this off and finds a more productive place to channel his energy.

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Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open on Dec 5, 2018 at 12:25 am

@ Jackson
Your argument regarding YG's 'forcible confinement' of Schaer is seriously flawed. Under Canadian law one must show probable and proximate 'cause' prior to forcibly detaining anyone.

If the Deputy Minister and Human Resources Director believed that Schaer had YG property either on his person or in his bag, they should have called the Police and sought a Feeney warrant (see R. v. Feeney [1997] 2 S.C.R. [13]) which, since 1997 is THE LAW when it comes to such matters - according to the Supreme Court of Canada. They didn't. Put a fork in them - they're done like dinner.

Schaer will prevail in his appeal for several reasons:

1) He proved (using several emails from YG's Human Resources Director obtained under a Disclosure Order) that YG never attempted to start his Employee Performance Review (which is a mandatory requirement of the Collective Agreement);

2) He proved (using several emails from YG's Human Resources Director obtained under a Disclosure Order) that he was in fact 'terminated' for 'taping the discrimination' and NOT 'rejected on probation' as the Deputy Minister had stated in the 'official' YG letter of release;

3) He proved (you guessed it - using YG's own internal emails) that senior YG public officials (Deputy Minister of the Executive Counsel Office; Public Service Commissioner; Manager of Labour Relations, and Deputy Minister of Economic Development) conspired to camouflage, substitute or subsume a 'disciplinary termination' for a 'non-disciplinary rejection on probation' for the sole purpose of denying Schaer his STATUTORY RIGHT under the Public Service Labour Relations Act and the Public Service Act to a grievance and arbitration;

4) The same email chain in 3) above showed how these smug YG public officials sat around literally mocking Schaer and his status as a victim of systemic workplace discrimination in the 5 days between when he blew the whistle and when YG fired him instead of investigating the discrimination (as is a requirement under S. 35 of the Human Rights Act);

5) The cherry on the cake was the moment when Schaer drew the attention of the 3 Judge appeal panel to a November 3, 2017 memo of the former Assistant Deputy Minister of Economic Development who admitted (in writing no less) that despite Schaer advising him of the systemic workplace discrimination on November 3, 2017 that the Assistant Deputy Minister stated that he wouldn't 'raise the conversation' of the discrimination with YG senior management - thereby forcing Schaer's hand to put the complaint in writing and setting the stage for Schaer's 'firing';

6) He showed (once again - using YG's own internal email correspondence) how the Deputy Minister of Economic Development perjured himself in his Affidavit when trying to convince the court that he, in some way, had conducted Schaer's Employee Performance Review during a meeting on October 20, 2017 - despite the fact that several emails from YG's own Human Resources Director stated as late as October 25, 2017 that Schaer's Employee Performance Review hadn't even been started and needed to be started and completed by November 9, 2017 - which it never was, because within 5 days of blowing the whistle on the systemic workplace discrimination, the Deputy Minister of Economic Development 'fired' Schaer for 'taping the discrimination';

7) Schaer showed that throughout this entire ordeal (which can only be described as a YG sh*t show in a dumpster fire) that each and every YG management member and senior public official who was aware of Schaer's whistle blowing acted in BAD FAITH;

8) Oh, and did I mention that half a dozen Federal and Yukon laws were broken by YG officials in the process and that the ONLY 'complaint' against Schaer's job performance or behaviour by his former Director (who conspicuously no longer works for YG) walked back the complaint twice - in writing no less?

Once again 'Jackson' I don't know what law school you graduated from, but if I were you, I'd get a refund on my tuition - either that or I'd stop running my mouth regarding things which you obviously don't know or understand.

Peace out
(drops microphone and walks off stage)

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Jackson on Dec 4, 2018 at 8:36 am

@Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open

This blanket interpretation of forcible confinement is inexplicably tortured. In all things, context matters. If the manager of a store has reason to believe an employee is trying to leave the premises with property of that store and they detain that employee it is not forcible confinement, it is lawful detainment. If the manager finds the employee does have in their possession property of the store, that employee may be charged with the attempted theft of that item. Did Mr. Schaer in fact take with him property of the government? This of course can never be known because the DM agreed to let him go, items unchecked, to de-escalate what was clearly a tense stand-off. Given Mr. Schaer's adamant refusal to disclose what he had in his possession when leaving the premises there is simply no court in the land that would conceivably bring forcible confinement charges. No one is remotely at risk of going to jail over this and the argument entirely moot.

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Jackson on Dec 4, 2018 at 7:10 am

@In Court that Day - I think you're conflating issues that do not matter, at least as far as the case he has. Maybe he can retain you to represent him, you share the same rationales and grasp at straws.

This isn't going to go the way he thinks it should. 1) He was on probation and given a 6 month extension - he chose a different path/tactic. 2) The employer has justifications and the right to terminate employment - it's their prerogative to release him on probation. 3) YG doesn't have to mount a formal defense here - the burden rests with Mr. Schaer.

The only legit shot he has is if he can prove either 1) his dismissal was discriminatory (under Human Rights) or 2) he ought to be protected under Public Interest Disclosure of Wrongdoing Act. Neither of these options bode well for him but he has certainly grasped awkwardly at both of them. He has a weak hand to play here and if I were to place a bet, I'd put my entire house on the employer in this case.

But hey, if he wants a judicial review that badly, I say let him have it. The court can require him to put up a deposit to cover the costs and he can get it back if vindicated. In my mind, this would be like replacing his shovel with a backhoe so he can keep digging that hole, only much faster.

I'll leave it at that. It will be interesting to see how these comments age.

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Yukon Shame! on Dec 3, 2018 at 10:27 pm

@ In Court That Day - A very well written and thoughtful post. A spot-on analysis of the salient issues separating the wheat from the chaff.
Thank you. A worthwhile read.

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In Court that Day on Dec 2, 2018 at 11:26 am

@ Jackson
How lucky for you that you have never ONCE been discriminated against. How truly lucky. I can tell you from personal experience it is a despicable thing. The effects can be devastating on a person's life.

It is my understanding Mr. Schaer is claiming a bad faith dismissal, as opposed to suing for discrimination. I believe he is using the discriminatory actions and YG's failure to address his complaints of discriminatory action, among other things, as evidence of YG's bad faith in carrying out his dismissal.

Yes, in the private sector, an employee can be dismissed for any reason provided notice is given. YG cannot dismiss an employee for any reason; "cause" is required. As Yukon Shame says, the employer has the balance of power. (Good post, btw.) As Mr. Schaer tried to point out in court, YG is using that power improperly (in bad faith).

YG claims they didn't fire him because he was taping people. Schaer is saying YG did fire him for taping people and YG is camouflaging what was truly a disciplinary dismissal as a non-disciplinary dismissal (which also denied him his right to arbitration through the union, btw). Supreme Court of Canada case law says employers cannot dress up what is truly a disciplinary dismissal as a non-disciplinary dismissal.

It seems you're trying to sway public opinion by relying on the private sector's general offense taken to the disparity between a gov employee's and a private sector employee's benefits to cast Mr. Schaer as a "privileged" white male that could not possibly have been discriminated against, but your comment only sets out that you are that "privileged, white male". Obviously, Mr. Schaer has not been so privileged or he would still have his job.

Schaer very convincingly showed the court how YG's actions were unlawful in some aspects and were carried out in bad faith in all aspects. Mr. Fraser's arguments fell far short of proving YG's claims that Schaer was fired for being unsuitable and not for taping people. And speaking of the extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence, YG had no evidence whatsoever to support their claims. All evidence provided by YG supports Schaer's claims, not YG's.

And speaking of Judge Gower's judgment, one of the Court of Appeal judges highlighted a number of errors Judge Gower had made including conducting the application for judicial review like a trial instead of the review it should have been. So, God rest his soul, that judgment cannot be too heavily relied on.

@ North_of_Sixty... Let's hope the judiciary will do that which no politician will. YG needs to be put in its place. These targeted witch hunts with our tax dollars needs to stop.

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Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open on Dec 1, 2018 at 6:33 pm

@ Jackson
Now explain why YG's Human Resources Director confirmed in a November 9, 2017 email that Schaer in fact was forcibly confined immediately following his 'release' on probation for the sole purpose of extorting the recordings of the systemic workplace discrimination when she wrote:

"He called 911 claiming that he was being held against his will by the Deputy Minister and the Director, HR and a security guard. IN ORDER TO DEESCALATE THE STANDOFF SITUATION in an open and public office, THE DEPUTY MINISTER AGREED TO LET HIM GO. So he left the building with his bag."

This admission proves that prior to the Deputy Minister agreeing to let Schaer go, that Schaer was in fact NOT permitted to leave. In other words, Schaer was forcibly confined against his will and the Deputy Minister is lucky that he is not behind bars.

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Jackson on Dec 1, 2018 at 11:08 am

The only point I am actually making, or trying to make, is whether Mr. Schaer's claims of these isolated incidents he represents he had with co-workers would somehow rise to the level of systemic discrimination. If he could show there's a pattern and practice for which he was treated material different in action, that would be different. The comment about speaking French was no doubt out of line and warranted disciplinary action by the employer.

I have no doubt discrimination occurs and should be taken seriously. I have witnessed discrimination in various circumstances throughout my life. However, as an educated, white, bilingual, Protestant, male myself working at various times in public and private sector I have not ONCE experienced discrimination directed toward me in Canada. This is why I view Mr. Schaer's claims as suspect and an extraordinary claim, in my opinion.

While I am not a lawyer, I do employ lawyers and have gone through a few terminations for and without cause. In one case I terminated an individual who was simply disliked by their peers, clearly evident within the first 2 months, paid them two weeks severance, took their key, changed all pass-codes and escorted them from the premises. I for one commend, YG for extending the opportunity to work with Mr. Schaer to see if they could address the workplace issues, where in my shop Mr. Schaer wouldn't have likely made it through the front door. Instead of seeing the opportunity for what it was Mr. Schaer, by YG's account, appears to have attempted to extort the government with threat of public release of his recording in exchange for a permanent position. For that action, he was fired - YG contends.

I also heard that recording and you are very much mischaracterizing the statement whether Indigenous youth were smart enough - rather the statement falsely noted low graduation rates as at 50%, when it's more like 62%. Other comments in there were definitely insensitive and out of line, warranting disciplinary action by the employer.

My understanding from Justice Gower's ruling is simply that YG was within its right to terminate Mr. Schaer's employment. Short of Mr. Schaer being able to prove he was discriminated against, in a court of law, the employer had every right to send him packing. Any other interpretation here is indeed tortured and mischaracterized, in my opinion. At least Justice Gower had past the bar and knew a thing or two about the interpretation of the law. Maybe the appeals court will take a different view, but likely they won't.

I also have some sympathy for Mr. Schaer here. For whatever reason, it would seem, he was not well liked or well treated by his peers. While clearly intelligent and representing himself in this matter, his very public fight will very likely harm him and his future career prospects no matter the outcome. For his sake, I hope he finds his feet and a solid path forward in life.

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north_of_60 on Nov 30, 2018 at 8:48 pm

YTG has lots of redneck arseholes, and absolutely nothing can be done about it because it's pervasive on all levels and ignored by management. Schaer's documented experience proves that the 'code of silence' persists. The swamp at YTG badly needs draining, but no political leader has the cohones to do it.

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Yukon Shame! on Nov 30, 2018 at 7:42 pm

@ Keeping My Head Down - A great post!

What is happening to Schaer is classic, corporate strategy. It is a well known phenomenon in Labour Law and Human Rights. And, unfortunately it is human tendency to malign, disparage and otherwise dehumanize persons with whom we perceive conflict.

However, in disputes between an employee and an employer the employer has the balance of power. This is wrong. The employer should not have this presumption and should have to prove their position with clear and convincing evidence.
Any evidence provided by an employer should be tested and subject to cross examination. The employer should be required to establish on a balance of clear and convincing evidence that someone is not a “good fit”.

To avoid the witch hunts that too often occur at YTG the employer should be required to demonstrate the individuals fit based on the requirements of the job and not based on the perceptions of personality. This idea of personality fit creates the chaos in the first place. How about principles before personalities?
Would it be legal to hire someone with the provision that people like you? As long as you are liked you get to keep your job... That is the bedrock of toxicity. The killer of productivity.

It is the sort of thing that drives approval ratings below 50%. It stands to reason then that “they” should be fired - There is no moral authority to lead and their power is deligitimated - 49% - Wow! Disgusting! Disgraceful! Deluded!

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Keeping My Head Down And My Eyes And Ears Open on Nov 30, 2018 at 3:52 pm

@ Jackson
Characterizing a co-worker who told Schaer (a Francophone) to: "Take his f***ing French sh*t some place else!" while Schaer was speaking his mother tongue (French) during a business telephone conversation with another Francophone employee of the Federal government as an 'off-hand comment' betrays your abject ignorance of the law and of common sense.

The same co-worker (who, by the way is still employed with YG) was then recorded referring to Indigenous Self-Determination as 'bullsh*t' in a YG Staff Meeting during which another redneck racist YG senior staffer was recorded suggesting that Indigenous youth weren't smart enough to graduate high school and that it would be cheaper for YG to simply have them stay at home and instead mail them their high school graduation certificates.

I sincerely hope that whatever 'business' you operate doesn't involve dealing with the public or the use of sharp instruments.
The documentary evidence at both the Application for Judicial Review and at the Appeal unequivocally and incontrovertibly evinced that:

1) YG never even started Schaer's Employee Performance Review (which is a mandatory requirement of the Collective Agreement);

2) the Deputy Minister 'rejected' Schaer on probation despite the fact that ALL of the documentary evidence (obtained by Schaer from YG under a Disclosure Order) proved that the Deputy Minister in fact 'terminated' Schaer for the sole reason that Schaer recorded the systemic discrimination - a fact that was also confirmed in writing by none other than the Human Rights Director in 3 separate emails;

3) the Deputy Minister did then, along with the then Public Service Commissioner, the Manager of Labour Relations, and the Deputy Minister of the Executive Counsel Office, conspire for a corrupt and improper purpose (to deny Schaer his statutory right to a grievance and arbitration) and did substitute, camouflage and/or subsume a disciplinary 'termination' as a non-disciplinary 'rejection' on probation - in bad faith. It's misfeasance of public office - plain and simple.

Before running your mouth about matters of which you know nothing about, you best read a book on the law and pass the bar exam.

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Jackson on Nov 30, 2018 at 8:16 am

Not sure why my previous comment was deleted. I've read the policies and I wasn't inappropriate, harassing anyone or even rude. I simply questioned the burden of proof that would be effectively required for an educated, white, bilingual, Christian male to claim discrimination based on linguistic and religious grounds in Canada. Mr. Schaer has made such a claim. In doing so, and in public disclosure, he has sighted one time someone made an off-hand comment about speaking French and another time when a supervisor repeatedly took the lord's name in vein. Lord help us all if this is what's required to prove such a claim.

In the private sector, it is within my right to terminate an employee at any time and for any reason so long as it not discriminatory as recognized by human rights. I am legally required to provide notice and in many cases severance. I am also entitled to take steps to ensure a terminated employee does not take with them property of the firm, obtain keys and formally escort them from the premises. In the public sector, there is a higher standard and a number of people review termination actions.

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juanita wood on Nov 29, 2018 at 5:44 pm

@ You Know What's Frustrating....
Mr. Schaer is not the only one. Please add my name to your count.
My case involves discrimination, a reprisal for raising safety concerns and also included an allegation of bad faith dismissal.

Having been discriminated in the hiring process (documented in black and white by HPW staff) and reprised against for questioning discrimination in my workplace (documented in my termination letter), I, for one, absolutely agree that discrimination is systemic at YG. At HPW, they don't even try to hide it.

My guess would be the HUGE costs - both personal and financial - are what stop most people from stepping forward with their complaints.
Whistleblowers should be celebrated and supported for risking their jobs and careers to make YOUR workplace a better/safer place. Their efforts are very often the only reason change occurs.

When senior public officials are more worried about escaping liability for the documented discrimination than they are about eradicating the discrimination, that should concern you and every other Yukon resident. Someone needs to step up to the plate to hold them accountable.

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Rural Resident on Nov 27, 2018 at 8:23 pm

This sounds like another Yukonslavia witch hunt.

If you rock the boat they will ignore and not support you and they may even come after you. Confining a person against their will is illegal; it's a small step from doing that to drumming up false charges.

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All Righty Then on Nov 27, 2018 at 4:44 pm

@ Unbelievable Your comments are BANG ON.

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All Righty Then on Nov 27, 2018 at 4:42 pm

FN Chiefs, why are you not calling for those public servants that ridiculed your people to be fired? Why are you not calling for the DM of Ec Dev to step down? Why are the Premier and the Minister not taking positive action to ensure this blatant discrimination doesn't continue? SMFH

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You know what's frustrating on Nov 27, 2018 at 11:21 am

It's that there are genuine causes that I'm glad are brought before the courts. You think, "Wow, i'm glad a person spearheaded this because I can see how this will effect other people."

YG has what, 5000 employees now?
If this was a serious issue you'd think you could have maybe.. oh 2 of you?
or 5, or 100

Like the RCMP harassment towards women case. They had hundreds of names.

But this just has one person. Make me go, hmm... "This person who was trying to live off tax dollars is now costing us more. Yay! I'll go work and pay taxes so he can complain about a non-existent systemic problem."

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All Righty Then on Nov 27, 2018 at 8:28 am

This is about the law and a worker's rights under the law. This is not about wanting to or not wanting to work with this individual.
He has YG on record saying "Let's just mail First Nations people their high school diplomas". These are the people whose mandate it is to ensure FN people can prosper in the economy!!! Interestingly, those ec dev workers are still employed, but the whistleblower who exposed the offensive actions is not.

It is the Dept of Ec Dev and YG that is toxic. It is YG that is responding inappropriately and unlawfully - with OUR TAX DOLLARS!
It is those ec dev workers that broke the laws in the first place that should no longer be employed. Not firing them is positive action in support of discrimination.

As he also has ADM Rose on record saying he would not be doing anything about this guy's complaint of discrimination, that would mean, imo, that YG is willfully turning a blind eye to the discrimination.

YG is the bad guy here; make no mistake about it.

You may not like this guy, but what he is showing all Yukoners is the true workings of YG upper echelon... turning a willful blind eye to discrimination, firing the messenger, allowing those discriminating ec dev workers to keep their jobs when they've shown to be completely unsuitable for public service, worrying about if the discrimination can stick to the DM of Ec Dev (and other "preferred" employees)... Disgusting.

I'm hoping, for the sake of all Yukoners, that this guy wins. What this government is doing is wrong and the buck should stop here. I'm disgusted that the PSC Commissioner, the Chief of Staff, the DM of ECO, the DM of Ec Dev, are more worried about ensuring THEIR protection from liability than they are about discrimination in their workplaces. I think they fired the wrong person(s) here. This guy only let the cat out of the bag, another whistleblower fired for doing the right thing.

A shakedown is badly needed at YG. I am hoping the law prevails to ensure this kind of discrimination (and firing of whistleblowers) cannot continue. You want to discriminate, use your own money to defend your actions, not my tax dollar.

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Roy on Nov 27, 2018 at 7:34 am

Another entitled person who just doesn't understand the word "no", and doesn't respect the courts. Thanks for wasting our tax dollars, Schaer.

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He has a point on Nov 27, 2018 at 6:14 am

We may not want to work with him, or go for lunch with him - but he has a point. I heard his recordings before they were taken down, and I'm curious to know what happened to the people who were laughing/joking/making racist and derogatory comments. Also, how did he get a job in the first place??? HR should be better at reference checks and screening applicants

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Unbelievable on Nov 26, 2018 at 7:55 pm

Not sure why the employer or it’s representatives are not facing criminal allegations of forcible confinement?
Not sure why the employer or it’s representatives are not facing allegations of hate crimes and/or criminal harassment?

Regardless of what one might think of Schaer it is clear that the employer or it’s representatives have engaged in criminal behaviour.
The behaviour that the Union has engaged in here, a failure to represent, is typical of the Union sellout method of non-representation.

The law should be engaged in facts rather emotion or feeling - My gut tells me... A very sad way to adjudicate.
It’s almost like YG has no Union and often times 5-6 layers of management: The RWO, YG Managers, YG HR, the Judiciary and the YEU!

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Martin on Nov 26, 2018 at 6:53 pm

Wow! what a sense of entitlement; just because he was hired... he cannot be fired?
I am going to say this for the first time in my life.... Good for the Union!

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No Ostriches on Nov 26, 2018 at 5:28 pm

The comments thus far are demonstrating serious impairment in judgment. Perhaps the reason that JJ gets along with others in his/her workplace is that s/he likes to engage in harassment as well. Birds of a feather flock together.

Maybe TB you are the toxic individual because you like to sweep wrongdoing under the rug? Keep racism and other forms of prejudice from seeing the light of day.

No wonder why mobbing and bullying behavior are alive and well at YTG. H&SS is only the tip of the iceberg.
Lots of lumpy rugs in them there hallways.

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Matt on Nov 26, 2018 at 4:23 pm

Wow......just wow. Don't worry.....the good lord will provide.

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Juniper Jackson on Nov 26, 2018 at 4:11 pm

Everyone with YTG is subject to a 6 month probationary period. In 6 months a supervisor determines, can the person do the job? Another issue that might be looked at is a good fit for the workplace. Personally, I can't work with people that are constantly crying and whining over everything. In this case..how much work was Schaer doing while he was taping other peoples conversations?

Personally? I really trust the people I work with..do we get along 100% of the time? Nope.. do we make it work with lots of respect and a few laughs here and there? yes. He was let go in his probationary period.. and should he have been...secretly recording? People like this man and his entitled attitude is why there is friction in the work place.

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Thomas Brewer on Nov 26, 2018 at 3:12 pm

Sounds like a toxic individual that I, for one, would not want to work with.

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