Photo by Whitehorse Star
Tony Zedda
Photo by Whitehorse Star
Tony Zedda
A local developer is suggesting the city issue permits in some areas to residents for on-street parking.
A local developer is suggesting the city issue permits in some areas to residents for on-street parking.
Tony Zedda of 360 Design Build appeared before council Monday evening. He spoke about 360’s application for a zoning amendment that would allow the company’s 10-unit micro-housing development to go ahead at 305 Hawkins St.
The project would see a four-storey structure built on the vacant lot with 2,702 square feet of commercial space along with the 10 one-bedroom units that would each be between 350 and 411 square feet.
The company was one of two developers to receive funding from the Yukon government’s affordable housing initiative earlier this year.
It was approved for $500,000 to build the development. Under the initiative, the units must be kept as affordable housing, with 360 proposing a rent of $795 per month for the units.
The developer is asking the city to amend the zoning to no longer require the private amenity space that’s typically provided through a small deck on apartment units.
Instead, the city is being asked to allow for a large shared amenity space in the form of a rooftop patio that would be available to all tenants.
The 500-square-foot rooftop space would exceed both the amount of space required for shared and private amenity space in the current zoning.
The developer is also asking that the requirement for six off-street parking spaces – at a rate of one spot for every two units, plus one parking spot for visitors – be reduced by one.
Concerns over parking in the downtown dominated council discussion when the proposal was brought forward last week. A number of council members pointed to the already-tight parking situation in the area.
At Monday’s session, Zedda focused much of his presentation on addressing the parking situation.
He noted the tight parking seems to be an issue that comes with many drivers who work downtown coming into the neighbourhood during the workday in the hopes of finding a free parking spot on the street.
“Your parking management plan from 2011 specifically identifies this area as an area of concern because people in the neighbourhood have been complaining that people live there, that there is no parking because from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., (spots) are taken up by people who work downtown but don’t actually live there,” Zedda said.
Using a photo comparison, he first showed one picture of the street during a weekday when vehicles are lined up along the sides of the road. He then displayed another taken after 6 p.m. on a weekday showing an empty street.
“The street is essentially deserted,” Zedda said.
He then put forward the idea for a parking permit program in such areas. While residents would receive the permits for free, those who don’t live there and are looking for parking would pay for spots.
Coun. Betty Irwin was the first to quiz Zedda on the development.
She pointed out other jurisdictions offer alternative transit incentives to residents of micro-housing developments to encourage fewer vehicles being on the street.
A pilot program in Seattle offers discounts to those living in developments that are on the main transit routes. Other programs offer free bike-share memberships and the like.
Irwin also asked Zedda for more details on the project, noting storage lockers on the ground floor will be provided to residents, as will bicycle parking. The individual units will each come equipped with laundry facilities.
Coun. Dan Boyd then thanked Zedda for the information he brought forward.
Mayor Dan Curtis went on to note the city’s excitement in seeing an affordable housing development added to the downtown sector.
Zedda said developers too have been “antsy” to work on such initiatives.
While the need has been evident for some time, he said, without some sort of program to assist developers, it wasn’t financially viable.
Though it’s still not a significant money-making venture, the incentives are enough to make the private sector want to build affordable housing, Zedda said.
Council approved first reading on the zoning amendments, paving the way for a public hearing on the application to be held at council’s Dec. 12 meeting.
A staff report on the hearing will then come forward Jan. 9 with second and third readings expected to be voted on Jan. 16.
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Comments (26)
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Stu Winter on Nov 22, 2016 at 1:29 pm
As I noted, if the actual construction costs $200 per square foot the government will pay for 250 square feet of units that are 350-411 square feet.
Yes, the land will cost something but this is still a windfall for a developer. As another post said why not promote this for non-profit organizations?
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Been There on Nov 22, 2016 at 10:54 am
Firstly, yes, it costs a lot more than $200/sq. ft. all-in with cost of land to build multi-unit housing to modern codes, especially for smaller units. City taxes, utilities, insurance, maintenance, sinking funds and many other costs will eat away $795/month in revenue surprisingly quickly.
That said, the new government would be better advised to direct housing grants to the many non-profits with mandates to provide housing on a long-term basis (i.e. for the entire building lifetime not just 10 years) to vulnerable and low-income households. Should any 'profits' be made such agencies would have to reinvest those in additional projects creating long-term sustainability or return them to the taxpayer as they have no shareholder to pay out too. Win-win for everybody.
There is no shortage of groups offering to do this.
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north_of_60 on Nov 21, 2016 at 10:04 pm
If the costs of 'micro-housing' are so great per sq-ft that they require government subsidy, then what's the point? Build normal apartments with no govt. subsidy and compete fairly with every other developer.
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Stu Winter on Nov 21, 2016 at 1:27 pm
What does it cost to build the units.
A $500,000 grant for 10 units is $50,000 per unit.
If it costs $200 per square foot the $50 k will pay for 250 square feet of units that are 350-411 square feet.
It seems very generous. Maybe it cost much more that $200/square foot?
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Politco on Nov 19, 2016 at 12:43 am
Amazing the amount of anti council/mayor rhetoric on here. You idiots voted for them, this is what you get. Enjoy
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cooby on Nov 18, 2016 at 5:53 pm
Instead of cramming more houses into smaller places the solution is new, large subdivisions with large lot sizes.
Anything else means, more traffic, more parking, more fines, more enforcement, more government waste.
I don't know about you all but I'd love to see the Yukon stay clean and spacious, not crammed and commercial like Red Deer.
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Hugh Mungus on Nov 18, 2016 at 5:22 pm
Why doesn't KZA build underground parking beneath the building? Problem solved.
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Jonathan Colby on Nov 18, 2016 at 5:08 pm
I can't say anything more than what the other commenters here have said. So, I'd just like to sum up:
F*** this guy!
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CJ on Nov 18, 2016 at 12:09 pm
Tony raises an interesting proposal. But I do wonder at the trajectory of this parking issue. For almost a couple of decades now, developers such as KZA have been consistently appealing to council to reduce the parking requirements for their buildings, no doubt creating a precedent for other developers as well. Parking proliferates on the street -- somehow the people that bought their condos missed the memo that enlightened people such as themselves don't drive.
Now Tony suggests that KZA's self-serving initiative be further rewarded by council with free street parking for those people that live in their buildings. Interesting.
As for parking space being "taken up" by people who work downtown -- so what? Is that a surprise? It's probably not that they're looking for free parking so much as a place where they can park all day, rather than in two-hour increments. Yeah, crazy, I know.
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do i get this right? on Nov 18, 2016 at 8:54 am
So, 360 Design/KZ is using funding, taxpayers money, to build. Then asks for exceptions and amendments and tries to convince city council that free parking should only be allowed for residents with permits but not people who work downtown. Which are exactly the people who pay taxes, so 360 design can apply for said funding. Talking about biting the hand that feeds you.....
With that said, I think that ALL new buildings (including businesses) should come with the required parking spots to avoid the parking problem. You have your own spot, you don't need the street parking.
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Salar on Nov 18, 2016 at 6:42 am
Jaayyzzz......I'll just make a game out of avoiding downtown and any parking fees.
I'm sure the business owners there will appreciate my absence.
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ProScience Greenie on Nov 17, 2016 at 3:52 pm
Sometimes architects really can be true visionaries. Not at all the case with KZ / 360. They need to be told 'don't call us, we'll call you'.
And mayor and council - do they get some kind of brain reprogramming the day after being elected? Never a bunch so out of touch ever. All of them. Recall legislation please.
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Josey Wales on Nov 17, 2016 at 2:05 pm
...14two...very good question and well deserved as I read as a cranky cynical a**pain...I get it.
Yes I like heaps, freedom being the most paramount, research stuff many cannot ever be bother with, love critters, love nature geez as stated heaps.
Yup my edge is sharp and if one really really reads what I try to convey you will see the consistency of it.
Funny how dissent is spun into hating and ignorance these days.
I believe we are truly equal as humans whomever we are and where we came from. Those who are supremists demanding elitist considerations...are the very folks I direct my empowerment to.
Do you hate anything?
Besides maybe me?
Hate, love, fear, joy...all human emotions we carry, all completely normal, and none of which can be legislated...despite the attempts.
Get it yet?
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Stu Winter on Nov 17, 2016 at 1:46 pm
I think the city should experiment with free parking for a month. Folks that means no money in the meters. It would then be interesting to know how much revenue was lost vs how well bylaw officers were at dealing with other pressing issues.
When you think about it collecting fees for parking seems like such a waste of time all around. If you make a simple mistake it can cost you 10 dollars and a special visit to city hall to pay your reduced fine. How many times have people left a business earlier than they and the owner would like to ensure they paid a parking meter.
Let's be a little more progressive and acknowledge that meters are a waste of time all around.
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Mj on Nov 17, 2016 at 8:40 am
Parking permit assuming it will take the form of a sticker on your window or paper permit you put on your dash, hang on your RV mirror would be hard/impossible for bylaw to find in the winter.
Interesting idea...but some kinks would have to be worked out...also...shouldn't be free...whether the renter pays a flat cheaper rate or it is the corp which does....
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Josey Wales on Nov 16, 2016 at 10:03 pm
Dean...there are lots of heated indoor outta the weather and waaaay higher crime resistant places in town to park your car with video surveillance even.
One catch...for the special folks, often the very folks who release criminals upon us...regular folk.. The Feds? Yup they got one too the very same people who regulate the absolute s**t outta us...their nobles have swank parking. See where this is going? All the important folks have it figured out, just us mere peasants that can squabble over parking.
How many examples of social engineering, elitist crap, absolute class and race warfare can I illustrate before ya'll (not you dean) pull your melons outta your colon and see just how little the elites...the nobles really give a s**t about anyone but themselves?
Build your empire within our codes or stick to coffee.
Purge your staff...seems they are taking up room in a place not theirs.
Kinda like I do and most certainly will in front of all your crap...being a local.
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Josey Wales on Nov 16, 2016 at 9:45 pm
" there is no parking because from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., (spots) are taken up by people who work downtown but don’t actually live there,” Zedda said.
Really that is a problem for you?
Funny that... I feel that way about folks working here, that are not actually Canadian....taking up space where a "local" could be.
Seems I get called the default racist...despite all ethnicities scabbing employment. For example...like some of your staff? Given the values we both share, only fair Zedda to call your demand...well elitist.
Welcome to the ist spectrum Zedda, certain you care as much as I do.
But seriously build within our codes, is that too challenging?
Or should all of us just say f**k it and build how we wish?
Damn....I think I am on to something, thanks Zedda for the inspiration!
Hey moderator I know I have been a potty mouth lately and waaaaaay outta terms with deserving edits...I will give you that.
It just has gone way past the tipping point the level of stupid in this town I USED to be so so proud to call home...is really pi**ing me off.
...hence my ramping up MY rhetoric and...potty mouth.
Your doing your job, I can be a a**hole I know it...a stubborn one at that.
Carry on...ever feel like we are on bugs bunny, punching in...then guarding the sheep ( so moderation) from a wolf determined ever so?
I could never ever zip on a sheep suit...ever.
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Whitehorse Resident on Nov 16, 2016 at 8:26 pm
KZA, AKA build now, ask permission later.
Frankly, I'm surprised they are actually asking prior to. In the past, the various incarnations of the KZA design build group have been notorious for being rather cavalier with city zoning and by laws.
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Politico on Nov 16, 2016 at 6:31 pm
@Dean Larue, you must be a newbie to Whitehorse. Every time a private developer comes along they say it's too expensive. If the government tries to do it private developers complain about government interference in private matters. This has been going on for 35+ years. If someone could think of a way of resolving this, go ahead!
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martin on Nov 16, 2016 at 5:52 pm
I don't get it; lots of people talk about "parking problems" in downtown; but when they go south (downtown Vcr,Edmonton and the likes) they don't mind parking 5-10 blocks from where they intend to shop/visit. Walk, people...... walk; and you'll never have to put coins in the meter.
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Max Mack on Nov 16, 2016 at 5:16 pm
Only the arrogant elite would consider deliberately limiting parking spaces, while simultaneously demanding that residents pay for the "privilege" of parking.
"Parking management" in Whitehorse translates to this: eliminate as many free parking spaces for the public as possible, make parking as costly and inconvenient as possible, and generate ticket revenue like crazy. This strategy is not being driven by demand-supply economics, but primarily by ideology.
I am forced to work downtown by the nature of my employer's office location. I work long hours, and have many commitments outside of work that do not fit within the public transit window. But, the City considers me public enemy # 1 because I need a place to park.
Meanwhile, the nobles that rule Whitehorse have reserved parking spaces and there is plenty of available parking for government vehicles.
The City's insistence on "densification" of downtown will only make this problem worse.
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Onefortytwo on Nov 16, 2016 at 5:09 pm
Josey, do you like anything? This concept makes sense, the City keeps taking our long term parking away without providing an alternative. Take the bus? Well..... not sure that is an option for all, especially given the current frequency of service and routing. Note: to get from Whistle Bend to DT you have to transfer. That makes precious little sense in a town the size of Whse where most people work downtown. Bike to work? An option for part of the year, but not all of us live that close, or want a fat bike. I have no issue paying for parking, especially if it could kick start a centrally located parking garage. Also incentivize carpooling, maybe with free parking permits for those vehicles travelling with more than 3 passengers? Or half price for two passengers? Solving the parking problem is hardly a complicated concept.
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Josey Wales on Nov 16, 2016 at 4:15 pm
Maybe design your c**p within our codes?
A parking pass for a public street? F**k that, it is a free for all for parking.
Have we not had enough of their c**p built in this generic sty...now?
If we had civic leaders with a set, they should say build within our existing codes.
I know they will get their way, as is SOP in this town.
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Parking Fan on Nov 16, 2016 at 3:40 pm
I love being able to park. I don't love the city continually removing free all-day parking without providing an alternative. I would happily purchase a parking pass. Instead I have the option of parking 20 minutes from work or getting parking tickets every day. Someone give this man a medal for his genius!
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June Jackson on Nov 16, 2016 at 3:18 pm
I am sure I am not the only person that has not been 'downtown' for anything in a couple of years. That being said, i think the downtown core could/should build their own strip mall and just move out of Main Street. Tear down a building or two and wow..look at all the parking.
There are enough stores down there to make a very nice little Mall of their own.
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Dean Larue on Nov 16, 2016 at 2:53 pm
Parking - the eternal downtown problem - why are there no daily / long term parking garages in Whitehorse ?